The Stupid Basketball League
I was about to sleep and decided to do a last minute peek at my Facebook page from my iPad when I saw this exchange of messages from alumni of the high school I went to. You see, I finished high school at this overrated and vastly overpriced place called Don Bosco Makati and the reason why I say that is because most of its products that I know of are cretins.
The more I was reading the exchanges, the more I believed that my parents just flushed money down the toilet wasting tuition on that poor excuse of a school.
The issue started when an alumnus of this supposedly exclusive school posted a message soliciting donations for an “Inter Batch Basketball Tournament” saying that they needed help from people so the players can buy their uniforms, have food/drinks after each game and so they could pay for the “quota” needed to join the league.
One alumnus, (a rare non-bozo from Don Bosco) questioned the solicitation and said:
“Dudes, aren’t we all like, 30 years old? Why the hell do you guys not have enough money to buy a pair of shorts and a jersey?”
The replies from the bozos were:
“Bro, di lang naman uniform ang babayaran. May quota rin para makasali yung team. Common sa basketball team na may managers. The players play their hearts out pag nasa game and also risk injury. Since they are representing batch 97, louie is just asking if anyone is willing to help shoulder some of the expenses. Last year 4 ang nag donate. I wont be naming them na. And every game, may nag sponsor ng water/ gatorade or red bull. He is not forcing anyone naman. You dont know the status of all players. Malay mo the others are jobless. Games are also played on weekends so additional gas expenses pa yun.”
“I’ll answer all your questions. basketball teams pay a certain fee in basketball tournaments to cover for the payment of salaries of referees,basketball committee, use of the basketball court etc. kaya meron quota. The managers don’t get salaries as they are the ones who usually contribute funds for the team’s expenses. It’s a way for them to support the team. Games are played on weekends so addl expenses yan. Just look at the news to know if tumataas ang presyo ng petrolyo. Yung mga walang trabaho, sarado ang hr pag weekends. Not all are successful as others and are privileged enough to work abroad like you. Di ganon kadali maghanap ng trabaho. Bumalik ka dito to see for yourself.”
“And for all you ignorant people, they are actually volunteering to play for our batch. Risking injuries and all. So please, let’s not brush it off as though it is a small thing. Not only that, these are really good players who do not get to play as much because of other good players in the team. So I would strongly suggest that let’s not make a mockery of their sacrifice. I hope this makes sense for someone who does not know basketball.”
The non-bozo alumnus then replied:
“What i don’t understand is why the unemployed players risk life and limb for the game. Don’t they have responsibilities to their families? If they get injured, will the quota pay for that? Or solicit uli tayo? Referee, committee and court expenses — really? You guys need all that? You guys can’t get alumni who can volunteer their time to officiate games or man the committees? And which court do you guys need? You guys can’t play Saturday afternoons at Savio Court para libre? Or the alumni don’t have enough pull at admin to even just do that? I know gas prices are going up, but George said, “Games are also played on weekends so additional gas expenses pa yun”. So what is the connection between weekends and gas expenses? I will want to shut up (eventually) but it appears you guys are neglecting the real issues of unemployment and poverty of your batchmates, for the sake of an “ostentatious” basketball game. For what? For the glory of batch 97? We put 5 Champion trophies on our wall during our CAT days, and never solicited from any bosconian. Why? Because we were all volunteers. I suggest you guys do the same.”
“I am not here to rain on your parade guys. You have every right to have fun and select the type of fun you wish to undertake. I am not questioning your intentions of camaraderie and unity among batchmates. What I question are your priorities. I find that the expenses involved in your game are ridiculous and ostentatious for there are alternatives to pursue, to make playing basketball cheaper, if not, free. And if you’re telling me that some of our batchmates are unemployed, then they should not be volunteering/sacrificing their health and family for a physical game where they will incur avoidable healthcare expenses, should they become injured.
I am not mocking the intentions of the players’ sacrifices. In fact, I think it’s very noble. However, I question their priorities and the committee’s as well. If some players are unemployed, shouldn’t you guys just set up public service initiatives for our batchmates in need? But alas, you guys will gladly have them play basketball for your bragging rights!”
Why play when you don’t have work?
There is a saying that goes “All work and no play makes Johnny a dull boy.” In The Philippines, there should be a saying that goes “All play and no work makes Juan a parasite”. The bozo from Don Bosco said and I quote again:
“Malay mo the others are jobless. Games are also played on weekends so additional gas expenses pa yun.”
In the quote above, he said that others may be jobless so they need someone to buy uniforms for them so they could play basketball. I find that kind of reasoning absurd. Recreation should be a reward for one’s successes. If you do not have a job or your career isn’t a successful one, you should spend your time learning new skills and saving your money for hard times ahead instead of playing basketball on the dime of other people.
If you can’t afford it, don’t do it. It’s that simple.
Dole-out Culture
“Just look at the news to know if tumataas ang presyo ng petrolyo. Yung mga walang trabaho, sarado ang hr pag weekends.”
The quote above pretty much tells you that the person who said it is a typical imbecile Filipino infected with what you call a “Dole-out Culture”. My parents and I once got into a discussion on how to help the Filipino people and I told them that giving bread or other material things to the “needy” is not going to do any good. That is tantamount to implementing a hardware solution to a software problem. If you have a computer that keeps crashing after a certain period of time due to viruses clogging up the memory, no matter how much RAM you add, the problem is not going to go away. You need to get your Antivirus software, reinstall your operating system and do other steps that may be necessary to remove those viruses.
Culture was once mentioned here in AP to be the “software” that enables the “hardware” (The Filipino People) to produce its output. The poor quality of output Philippine society has is due to a dysfunctional culture. One of the major dysfunctions is how the typical Filipino looks at dole-outs. For them, it is something to lavish themselves with and it is a “gift from heaven”. This attitude is rooted in laziness and a severe lack of a sense of honor. It produces a society of “Juan Tamads” waiting for the guavas to fall into their mouths. To give to these Juan Tamads makes you an enabler and you are just contributing to furthering the malaise that has infected the minds of Filipinos and weakened the society since time immemorial. The principle should be that if you cannot stand on your own two feet or provide for your own needs (unless you are disabled), then you are dishonored. You should be treated as a basket case unless you shape up and earn the money for the things you need and want.
OFWs Treated as Walking ATMs
“Not all are successful as others and are privileged enough to work abroad like you. Di ganon kadali maghanap ng trabaho. Bumalik ka dito to see for yourself”
In today’s Philippine society where OFW-ism is prevalent, a lot of those left in the land of what the Spaniards accurately called “Los Indios Tontos” think that the OFWs are “privileged” to have worked abroad and should part with their hard earned money and give to the “unprivileged”. For me, most OFWs have EARNED the so-called privilege by taking risks, enduring isolation (sometimes even discrimination) and investing A LOT of money and emotions in the endeavor of going to a strange land and establishing one’s self. If those left in Tonto-land want to have that “privilege” then it is not asked for, it is earned. They need to get out of their gaudy couches, stop whacking off to Willie Revillame’s dancers, break their banks, apply for visas, buy a plane ticket, fly to some strange land, pay rent, look for a job, pay immigration lawyers and endure all sorts of crap that come with it. If I, as an OFW have taken the risk, I can enjoy the benefits and these should not be shared with those who did not risk or invest unless I love them (which I don’t).
Everyone Needs a Hero
Another bad trait of Filipino culture is that it is a country with a huge Cinderella Complex. Everyone is waiting for a Prince Charming to save them and enable them to live happily ever after. We AP authors get questioned every once in a while on what we intend to accomplish by writing for AP. They say that our writings will really not change anything and that we have to “do something for the community” like feed the poor or give scholarships.
Personally, I write for AP because I have fun doing it and I think the information here is useful in curing the ills of our society. It is like the Antivirus software to our virus-ridden culture. We just put our stuff here for people to use and it’s free! If they want to use it, good for them and if they don’t that’s fine too. Just because we write about what ails society does not mean we have to take up the gargantuan task of “helping” thousands out of the rut they are in. That is their responsibility, not ours. If everyone learns to help themselves then society will improve. If people self-sacrifice too much for the sake of many, all that will accomplish is having dumb martyrs who are taken advantage of on one side and lazy moochers on the other. The solutions are really simple and are doable by anyone. Just vote right, think a little deeper than the usual, have courtesy toward the people around you, do your job well and care for the environment. Don’t try to borrow the glories of Manny Pacquiao, Lea Salonga, Charice Pempengco and the like. Do not say “I am proud to be a Filipino” everytime they do something noteable because those are their accomplishments and not yours. Learn to stand on your own two feet, learn that recreation is a reward for a job well done and for God’s sake, buy your own basketball shorts. You are already fucking 30.
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341 Comments on “A Country Of Moochers”
- wrote on 13 March, 2011, 18:12
My parents owns an apartment building in the Philippines and my mother’s brother and his wife and 4 children live in a apartment where 2 of their children have already finished college and have jobs. The problem is they haven’t paid the monthly rent of 2,500 pesos in 2 years. They assume my parents have many dollyares that they don’t have to pay rent. In the U.S. you get an eviction notice if you don’t pay rent within a few days. Them mooching is preventing earnings from reinvestment and growing the business (other tenants also doesn’t pay rent). Now imagine if the whole society stops mooching from the “privileged” then businesses would be able to grow. I also don’t understand why whenever we go to the P.I. we have to bring 6-70lbs balikbayan boxes worth of pasalubong, I hated having to carry those huge heavy boxes, i wanted to travel light.
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dumb-oh Reply:
March 13th, 2011 at 6:41 pmI tried to persuade my family into discouraging that practice.
The outcome wasn’t pretty.
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- wrote on 13 March, 2011, 19:24
While I agree with a lot of the points you said, you certainly twisted the original discussion out of context. I am fortunately, affiliated with many of the gentlemen in this discussion — many of whom are hardworking men who do DO NOT mooch of ANYONE in anyway. In spite of their successes. Yes, gentlemen who l live both overseas and in the Philippines.
To my understanding, the comment was first posted lightheartedly by an active participant of the alumni basketball league. Was he forcing anyone to GIVE money to them?? NO! He was just, like any other member of a sports league, gently requesting for assistance, if willing. Note, the gentleman who posted the original solicitation comment is a hardworking father who does not in anyway wait for alms. Also note that asking for solicitation for sports leagues like this is NOT limited to Filipino culture – - in fact, one poster has mentioned that an U.S based sports league, composed of different nationalities also posted a solicitation request from their US company – - so does this make it unique Filipino – - get your facts straight, Mr.
Secondly, the man who made a comment re: the solicitation is living and working in the U.S. You have to understand, life in the U.S tends to make you more skeptical and practical. I don’t blame him for making the comments – -he is telling a bit of truth BUT he needs to relax a bit because he was taking the whole comment all too seriously. To Mr. first comment, while you are telling the truth – - DUDE RELAX. I understand life in the U.S takes a toll on your sense of humor at times but please —-RELAX!!! I hope to meet you in the future
Again, no one was forcing ANYONE to donate. No one was putting a gun on anyone’s head or squeezing anyone’s *****ng balls to get that money. LIGHTEN UP!!!!!
Lastly, for you, Mr. Popular, Oh I love you so much and you are the smartest, wisest creature in the Blogosphere – - I pity you. You are creating a different story and twisting it to make yourself seem more popular and smart. I dare you to ask the moderator of the Facebook page to open the thread for EVERYONE to see so that EVERYONE can see how much you have sensationalized this simple topic. Good loard! You must have been the scum of the class for you to take your anger out on them and the world like this. Again, I pity you. You will NEVER be happy until you accept the very core of your being as a Filipino – - the good and the bad of it all (which of course we all want to change). Even if you change countries of residence, citizenship or nationality – - until you love what it is about being Filipino and accept it with all your heart – - I guarantee you, not evil Paxil, Lexapro or Zoloft can help you. You might as well go back to your cave and die in the delusions of grandeur you are living in.
Btw, don’t try so hard to be an asshole to look cool. Napapahalata lang na wall flower ka ng batch niyo.
Viva batch ’97.
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rafterman Reply:
March 13th, 2011 at 8:05 pmGo ahead, why don’t you post the ENTIRE conversation here so that we would all know how stupid the replies were. If that guy was indeed a “hardworking responsible father” then why ask solicitations? If he INDEED is a hardworking father, then good for him but what about the rest? Bakit 30+ years old na nagsosolicit pa ng pang laro?
The little leaguers solicit money in the US or Japan but they are high schoolers. They are not ****ing 30 year olds who should have the money to buy a simple jersey, shorts and pay for some dumb quota.
There is a Sanskrit saying: SATYA MEVA JAYATE. It means truth will always triumph. It is true that you guys said it is for the sake of those who do not have work and yeah, post the conversation dali. Lame brained talaga.
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Anonymoose Reply:
March 13th, 2011 at 8:16 pmGranted that they are kids, now I want you to prove to me that mooching by able and capable adults is uniquely and definitely Filipino.
I suspect you never had the opportunity to be friends with people…IT’s just like going to a potluck party – -some give, some dont…Are they forced? NO
Again, no one was forced or threatened to be killed if they did not donate.
Don’t be such a know it all. Just because you were educated and live and work in the U.S doesn’t make you better than ANYONE of them. Take note, that alot of your batchmates live and work in the U.S as well (a lot of the so-calle BOZOS as you put it) – - but none of them try so hard to be assholes to be noticed because their innate good character, professionalism and made them who they are today (take note you have a batchmate who was was also educated here in the U.S who is a strong advocate of being Filipino - – and he didnt have to step on anyone’s toes to be a published and accomplished writer!)
At the end of the day – - a lot of them may not be heard by the world and may not be read by millions – but at least they didn’t have to **** on anyone just to make themselves look better. I pity you. The most bitter of Filipino migrants are those who were losers in the PHilippines. Those who lived happy lives look back into their lives in the Philippines with fondness – - always.
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Hsing Tao Reply:
March 13th, 2011 at 8:30 pmonce again, it becomes personal. It becomes about the author and not the concepts the topic has discusses. Speculations galore once again: “maybe the author was bitter”, “maybe he had a bad day” but the quoted replies by the boscomian moochers belie the claims that it is only “light hearted”. If it was light hearted then why become so defensive and explain the unemployment situation and the rise in oil prices? Di sana sinabi “pare joke lang” di ba? These guys need some lessons in logic.
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March 14th, 2011 at 2:41 amWell explained MR Anonymoose, these guys are certainely feeling they knew it all.. tsk.. tsk… and possibly mga moderators yan and their Job to defend each other.. mga pinoy nga naman.. hahaha.. YN ang paborito kong Pinoy trait LAGLAGAN ng kapwa Pinoy.. kahit anung gawin mo, kahit mag blog pa ng mag blog. hindi mawawala yan…
Thinker Reply:
March 14th, 2011 at 11:39 amRewind, that is a very ignorant and immature statement. No, the people here do not know it all, but they know enough. Someone told me that if something’s not working, you ask people in the know. You are wrong for not even refuting a well thought out logic of Hsing Tao. Your behavior, multiply that 90% of the population of the country, and it’s no surprise that the endgame is a country that could have been better.
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Jay Reply:
March 15th, 2011 at 5:07 pmYou know, if the solicitor sold it much better, giving it a better spin and being more accepting to the obvious regarding where the donation costs really go (honestly, if they cared they would open the books to show where the costs go, appreciate all the help and move on if they don’t get what they want) then this wouldn’t be a problem.
Instead, Rafterman caught on, exposed you guys for what you are pulling and try save face by claiming it as humor as opposed to admitting where you went wrong. Then butthurt from your pals here who can’t seem to accept common sense. But hey, no one is saying you are wrong. Though with the responses Rafterman is getting from this, I’m really surprised at how royally butthurt you and certain friends are over this. And for that, thanks for the schadenfreude
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- wrote on 13 March, 2011, 19:51
“Do not say “I am proud to be a Filipino” everytime they do something noteable because those are their accomplishments and not yours. Learn to stand on your own two feet, learn that recreation is a reward for a job well done and for God’s sake, buy your own basketball shorts. You are already ****ing 30.”
And likewise, don’t point out your fellowmen’s mistakes and twist stories out of proportion to sound smarter and wiser than you really are. That’s crab-mentality (yey! very Filipino – - WHOOO HOO!). If you are really smart, then even in kindness your intelligence will shine. For pete’s sake, ” you are already ****ing 30″ – - – set your high school insecurities aside!
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rafterman Reply:
March 13th, 2011 at 8:06 pmIt is not twisted. Pasalamat kayo yun lang ang mga na quote ko sa inyo. The rest are so freakin asinine and it will make you look worse. Sige, post it in its entirety without you guys editing anything. Let’s see kung may mag enroll pa sa Don Bosco. Moochers and promoters of mooching.
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Aegis-Judex Reply:
March 13th, 2011 at 8:19 pmMy God… My stepdad and his younger bro were Bosconian, but for all their affiliations, I usually see my stepdad at work. His bro also works, and neither of them are moochers… Must have been the exception to the rule, though.
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March 13th, 2011 at 8:29 pmthat’s because you cannot generalize. Moochers are in every culture, in every country. It’s not purely bosconian or purely Filipino or purely american. Only a prejudiced prick would think so.
Hsing Tao Reply:
March 13th, 2011 at 8:33 pmWell, if it is more prevalent in Pinoy culture as evidenced by the 30 year old moochers vs the 14 year old Japanese little leaguers then even if it is not uniquely Pinoy, it is prevalent in the Pinoy. I went to school in Taiwan and I would never even think of asking my fellow alumni for money so I can play a sport for fun.
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March 13th, 2011 at 8:26 pmTo the moderator of the Group – - kindly post the link here and see how a simple discussion was sensationalized
)Anong akala mo, walang moocher sa US?!?! Boy, go to the nearest Social Security Office – - or para mabilis, punta ka sa downtown – - madaming laseggong humihingi para makainum! People who would rather live off welfare than WORK. Again, a lot of them are not Filipinos – - so it’s not uniquely Filipino.
You’re a sick racist. You may have a blue passport, but you will still die miserable because you can’t accept a big part of you. YOu are no different from the “bad” Filipinos that you hate so much with passion. Crab Mentality, Colonial Mentality, etc.
Bless your soul.
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Hsing Tao Reply:
March 13th, 2011 at 8:34 pmAgain, it may not be uniquely Filipino but it is prevalent in the Pinoy. Walang logic lessons sa Don Bosco?
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March 13th, 2011 at 8:56 pmHsing Tao
It’s prevalent in ALL cultures. Is it fair to conclude that if most of X is Y then all of Y is X? NO
Most Chinese are Buddhist, so all Buddhist are Chinese?
Most Americans are White, so all Whites are Americans?
Most serial killers are Caucasian, so all Caucasians are serial killers?Generalizations is one of the root of hate
And no, I’m not from Don Bosco.
Hsing Tao Reply:
March 13th, 2011 at 8:59 pmIf you wear a black shirt ans there is a little white design on the check is it a black shirt or a white shirt? If black is the prevalent color then we call it a black shirt. If many Filipinos are moochers even if there are some who are not, it is still a country of moochers. Logic naman.
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March 13th, 2011 at 9:31 pmHing Tao
Neo Nazi mentality much?
)Jay Reply:
March 15th, 2011 at 5:11 pmYou’re a sick racist. You may have a blue passport, but you will still die miserable because you can’t accept a big part of you.
Whoa chill. This is a character issue and as usual typical pinoy fashion with their inability get the obvious, they bring the big RACIST guns to scare the crowd and attempt to look big. Racist is a two way street and for you to bring that up for accusation, you forgot to check YOUR racism at the door and forgot to see the sign of staying on topic.
Pop Reply:
March 15th, 2011 at 11:05 pmWhy are the “moochers” in the US being brought up? The topic is about the moochers here in the Philippines. Yes there are moochers everywhere, but this country has one to many of them. If you claim that this is a hasty generalization from the author, then look around you if it is not true. The “pasalubong” system or the “balik bayan box” system are just proof. You want more proof? How about the “balato” system? Or or the “Wowowee” or “Eatbulaga” system? Or the “libre mo naman ako”? Please, if you have problems with the claims of the author, just disprove it.
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Gameboy Reply:
March 17th, 2011 at 10:32 pmRafterman, pag nalaman ng mga tao na produkto ka din ng Don Bosco, malamang talaga, wala ng mag enrol dun. Kung galit na galit ka sa Don Bosco, bakit nagpapamember ka sa mga DBTI groups, both sa Yahoo, at FB?? nag post ka pa na proud na proud ka na nag serbisyo ka sa CAT ng Busko e, tapos, kung magsalita ka ngayon, waste of time and your parents’ money…… Honor, Courage, Duty….obviously, yang tatlong yan, wala na sayo. sarili mo din ang nagcocontradict sa mga sinasabi mo….your just after the attention. puro ka salita wala ka din namang ginagawa para mapabuti ang sinasabi mong sakit ng Pilipinas e…
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wrote on 13 March, 2011, 20:23Wouldn’t the sitting president be considered a moocher, seeing that he takes credit for his predecessor’s work, or in the Cebuano, “dawat limpyo?”
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- wrote on 13 March, 2011, 20:52
it’s so easy to say so many things and criticize a system if you’re not a part of it. i am living outside of the country too and have taken higher education in europe, but i can’t say the same as what the blogger has pointed out. having lived extensively and taken part of the philippine system for a long period of time before heading off abroad, i must say that the philippine society indeed has many problems. i know how it is to be on the receiving side and to be on the giving side. it can be annoying to be asked constantly for money, but giving doesn’t have to be painful.
you are very fortunate to have been given a chance to make the most of your life. however, not everyone is as lucky as you who is earning more than what you need that renders not being able to buy your own jersey as something to be so trivial. there are people who work their asses off but not get as much in return due to circumstances which are bigger than them. not everybody in the team or who has volunteered to play basketball is lazy or jobless or is there for the sake getting a free ride. they were just asking for the participation of those who care enough.
making hasty generalizations basing it on having to solicit for a friendly basketball tournament doesn’t paint you to be a more “enlightened” one. in fact, it makes you somewhat smaller. every society has it’s fair share of moochers and hardworkers. i’m sure the american system, where you are thriving now, isn’t as rosy as most people think it is. it still is going through changes despite centuries of civilization.
if it’s too much for you to shell out the equivalent of Php 500 (or less) to a friendly alumni game because it goes against your principles, then don’t. it’s as easy as that. and if you really want change, be a part of the solution and not create more problems.
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Aegis-Judex Reply:
March 13th, 2011 at 8:59 pm“…it can be annoying to be asked constantly for money…”
Amen. There has to be a time that you put your foot down.
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Chiara B Reply:
March 13th, 2011 at 9:06 pm…but giving doesn’t have to be painful.
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Hsing Tao Reply:
March 13th, 2011 at 9:09 pmIt encourages laziness and dependency.
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March 13th, 2011 at 9:24 pmbut you have the option to say “yes” or “no”
If you know the original context and the people behind basketball league, then you will all think twice about how this topic was snowballed. The league encourages camaraderie and fosters friendship amongst gentlemen with a common bond that is their school. Most of these gentlemen are hardworking, successful family men. It’s no different for asking donations for the annual class reunion – - be it in form of beverages, cash. People are free to participate and join the game - – whether or not they donated. No one is forced. If you don’t give a damn about the league – -then why bother donating? Why go out of your way to act so high and mighty and so un-bozo like just to prove your point. If you want to enjoy, drink, and you would like to bring a cake or two – - feel free to do so. Again, no one was forced.
Like you said, it’s a stupid basketball league – - I don’t get why Rafterman and the dude who made the first comment (I really can’t wait to meet you – - let’s debate, then, shall we?!) have to have plugs up their asses and be so stiff lipped about this whole thing. Relax guys! Are they getting YOUR money?! NO. Are they stealing from you? NO! Let them enjoy their league! If they want to play, so be it. I don’t think they will haunt you out and kill you if you dont give that donation. Not like all of them are butchers
For the record, I am, like many of you appalled by how some Filipino families take advantage of their OFW relatives. But I don’t believe it’s innately Filipino. Many cultures do the same thing. There’s a lot to “rant” about being Filipino, but I won’t write hate blogs and encourage more Filipinos to rant about certain traits – - instead, I will try to change this within my own sphere, within my own Family and I will try my best to raise my children with the best of Filipino values and attributes. Ranting and making more people dislike that obsession with white skin more won’t help my culture grow and mature.
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Chiara B Reply:
March 13th, 2011 at 9:41 pmat some point, it does encourage dependency especially if it’s habitual and the recipient is just lazing off somewhere. however, i agree with the reply above… it’s something to encourage camaraderie amongst batchmates. i believe not everyone in the team who is asking money is poor, desolate and jobless, but not everyone can afford to buy for everyone due to whatever circumstance. i don’t think they would even bother for donations if they could afford everything already. i am not part of the bosconian system whatsoever, but this affects me because i’m filipino. the message i’m getting here is that, being filipino, i’m part of a society of moochers (or at the least, an accomplice) and since we’re all like that, we can’t sing, dance, play basketball as long as we don’t become successful.
Hsing Tao Reply:
March 13th, 2011 at 9:53 pmYou keep saying “no one is forcing you” and “no one is pointing a gun to your head” may I ask why you keep reiterating a moot point that everyone already knew from the very beginning? You missed the point. It is not about being forced or not being forced. It is just bewildering why the REQUEST (we all know it was a request) was being made for a game in behalf of 30 year olds? And why open the possibility of unemployed or underemployed people waste time playing games? People got defensive when a simple question was asked by the non-bozo Bosconian. If it were all said in all levity then the replies to the simple query would not be that long, vitriolic and defensive. Napipikon lang sila because di sila makalaro ng kumpleto. Wawa naman ang mga bata.
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March 13th, 2011 at 10:23 pmYou actually think the game would not go on w/o the solicitations???
I don’t think so.
And knowing those gentlemen, di naman magmumukmok yung mga yun kung di makuha yung pera. Boo Hoo.
As for Non-Bozo – - he’s a typical middle class working in the U.S - – not that it’s bad thing. I totally understand and respect his opinion, and to a certain extent, agree with him given that I’m a middle class worker in the U.S. However, he should step back and learn to “chill” and consider who posted the original comment and the lives they live as well. Not everything in the culture we live in is the pinnacle of proper living – - e.g practicality, hard work, simple living. I can easily say what he said, considering that right now. I find it insulting to see able-bodied people beg for alms for beer on the street. But consider the whole context of the original post and the poster…My goodness! He’s such a jovial character, I doubt that he will kill anyone if he didn’t donate!
The problem is none of you know the people involved. It was a simple misunderstanding, if not, a healthy debate amongst classmates. Thing is, someone decided to write a blog exaggerating everything. Even non-bozo bosconian thinks this blog was too much considering the root of this.
Hsing Tao Reply:
March 13th, 2011 at 10:48 pmThe issue is not whether the game would go on or not or kung magmumukmok o hindi (well, if that wasn’t so serious then why the defensive and “violent” reactions to non-bozo bosconian?). It is the ACT OF ASKING that is found to be despicable here. Isn’t a man supposed to have honor and say “don’t worry about me kaya ko ito” and not try to sucker classmates into donating beer money? (come on, really, right?). If a man has to ask, a man loses honor (well, unless you have a Pinoy mentality… Mentality prevalent among Pinoys…)
Hsing Tao Reply:
March 13th, 2011 at 9:05 pmThere is also freedom of speech where he is. He can not give, he can also speak his mind on the interwebz. He can claim his replies are jokes too so it should be all goot. Right Renato?
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Chiara B Reply:
March 13th, 2011 at 9:27 pmyes, we all have our right to express our opinions. which is in my case, i don’t agree that the philippines is a country of moochers. i am filipino and i believe i work hard enough. and most of the people i know back home are pretty much the same – people who work hard and maximize life as much as they can. currently, i am surrounded by a bunch of different people from different countries who send and receive money, and speaking from my own observations, i don’t agree that the philippines is a country of moochers.
i don’t know if i’d end up rich or poor at the end of this life despite working hard. currently, i am just doing enough for my own keep, but if i can spare some change for something that’s important to me, then why not? if i choose to help out on something as trivial as a basketball tournament (or a photocontest or beauty pageant) or contribute to something as important as helping the japanese recover from the recent tragedy, it’s ultimately my decision. for me, giving doesn’t have to be painful.
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Jay Reply:
March 15th, 2011 at 5:20 pmmaking hasty generalizations basing it on having to solicit for a friendly basketball tournament doesn’t paint you to be a more “enlightened” one.
Except he did point out something poignant, especially to HOW the solicitor was trying to get him to donate, which was a bad move. Just because you want money doesn’t mean it hurts to learn to ASK? Especially if its for a meaningful cause.
i’m sure the american system, where you are thriving now, isn’t as rosy as most people think it is. it
Last I checked, the american system may have faults but there are also as much opportunities for people to grow, innovate or change things to their favor. As compared to the Philippines where… you get the picture.
And if it doesn’t hurt for you and your group to accept a bit of criticism so that maybe, solicitations won’t sound like a bad donation drive or the annual selling of girl scout cookies/bland candies for a good cause kind of shindig. Maybe he wasn’t willing to part with 500 but if you had sold him, he’d be willing to send his regards and support and may be involved in some way that isn’t financial. Rafterman has a point and just because it hits the heart of Pinoy aesthetics doesn’t make it any wrong because he’s trying to ABOVE status quo on a petty matter that you can’t see.
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Rewind Reply:
March 16th, 2011 at 11:18 amDammmmmmnnnn!!!!
Kulto na ire!!!
May group group ka pa.. obviously protecting ur community!!
Iyak pa!!!
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Jay Reply:
March 16th, 2011 at 4:19 pmI’m protecting what community? If you mean America, then yes. Bakit pa ako maghihirap ksama mga tulad mo Rewind at ang mga angkin mo? Sa bagay, may pabuya mga pinoy rin galing sa America dahil sa Millenium loan.
Hey boy, its birthday
Open wide, cuz you thirstay
Let me hear you say ‘aaaaaah’
may pabuya kaaaaaaa! - wrote on 13 March, 2011, 21:41
the solution to this is easy.
A) have them sign a waiver that says that they understand the risks of playing basketball and will play with full knowledge of this.
B) have the organizers raise an amount X, which clear explanations where the money goes. they should continually update the alums via email (or website) how much money they have raised and from whom (anonymous donation is possible).
the waiver makes sure the health issues are accounted for.
the financial transparency enables them to raise money properly. they might even make it a charity event, raise money for the poor members of the batch (or whatever charity) by donating to the team. [lots of fundraising is done via sports. see "team in training" for example]
this solves all of your problems, because frankly, this isnt a big deal.
unless, to you, ALL charity is “mooching”. in which case, nothing can help
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Chiara B Reply:
March 13th, 2011 at 9:45 pmoh wow! props to you. it’s very constructive. everything has a solution.
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rafterman Reply:
March 13th, 2011 at 10:02 pmThanks for the reply GabbyD. I am not against all charity. If it is for the disabled, the disaster stricken, the elderly, the abandoned children and basically people who cannot help themselves and NEED things for survival then I do give and have given. But able bodied men with reasonably good education who WANT (not need) something such as basketball uniforms? That does not fall under the category of charity.
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GabbyD Reply:
March 13th, 2011 at 11:53 pmwhy not basket ball uniforms?
the logic here is that this is a batch-wide effort. so those who cannot (or choose not) to play can help out in other ways, notably financially.
the idea is to spread the duties and responsibilities of the effort.
the real problem, as you have correctly identified, is that there is a possibility of abuse of funds. that can be solved, as i’ve described above.
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Jay Reply:
March 15th, 2011 at 5:27 pmWell well, on point and thought out.
The solicitor didn’t need to go like a union leader about the welfare of the athletes. The waiver certainly makes BOTH sides accountable. And much like the current issue with the NFL lockout, if the solicitor wants to seek out a partnership with people like Rafterman (or a group from that batch) who want to contribute for the league, OPEN UP THE BOOKS!
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- wrote on 13 March, 2011, 22:01
BEING A FILIPINO IS UNFORTUNATE EMBARASSING CIRCUMSTANCE.
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- wrote on 13 March, 2011, 22:02
I’d rather lose my nationality run by Americans than retain my nationality and run by Filipinos. Lookit these Filipinos, they go to America to have their lives run by Americans.
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wrote on 13 March, 2011, 22:09My question on the requested solicitation is if the unemployed Bosconians will use it for their own needs/wants (i.e. food, gambling, etc). as some form of kick back from the donations. That would be tantamount to a dole out for some people especially the hard working ones.
Now, if the funds collected are spent for recreation and to foster camaraderie and teamwork, then I don’t see anything wrong with the solicitation. In fact I’d also support it even if I’m already in my 40′s or 50′s as long as it was spent wisely. You can’t be wrong on helping a community. Di bawal mag-happy happy basta nasasaad sa batas at hindi ka sumosobra sa paghappy happy. “Run, Jump, Make Noise but Do Not Sin” ika nga
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rafterman Reply:
March 13th, 2011 at 10:17 pmHuwag lang maglaro kung walang panglaro.
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Rewind Reply:
March 14th, 2011 at 2:54 am@raffterman, adik ka cguro… well explained nman, still nega ka pari.. yan ang tangalin mung trait, laglagan ng kapwa pinoy.. tsk.. tsk.. pinoy nga nman..
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Chorvaqueen Reply:
March 14th, 2011 at 3:22 amBakit, kasi di namin trip na mamigay ng pera para may panlaro masama na?
Iyak pa.
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March 14th, 2011 at 8:31 am@Chovaqueen Iyak ka dyan.. haha.. cnu may sabing masama? typical Filipino ka nga “kuripot” that ur opinion ksi sakto lng cguro pera mo pra sau and pamilya mu.. bro or sis kung wala ka na magawa sa pera mu bka mag bago opinion mu.
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- wrote on 13 March, 2011, 22:49
Well it’s all about reliving past glories, escapism and false pride. It’s also about fun and camaraderie. I guess it’s just a single event so no harm done. But yeah I do agree that there is something wrong when you are in a certain age, unemployed but still have time to participate in such an event. I mean even if you are the high scorer and MVP of this local league but comes home and has nothing to contribute to your family at home it becomes kinda sad.
I really like this:
“For me, most OFWs have EARNED the so-called privilege by taking risks, enduring isolation (sometimes even discrimination) and investing A LOT of money and emotions in the endeavor of going to a strange land and establishing one’s self.”It’s very true. Ang tingin ng mga ibang pinoy, kapag nagsimula ka magkumpara ng 1st world country at ang Pilipinas, mayabang ka na dahil ikaw ay nakatungtong sa ibang bansa. Pero hindi naman lahat ganun ang pakay. Nais lang nila ipakita na maraming kailangan baguhin sa Pilipinas at iniisip din nila na kung kaya ng ibang bansa, bakit hindi pwedeng kayanin din ng Pilipinas? All those who have experienced working overseas will have this realization that there is so much stuff that is wrong but can be changed in the Philippines and how it makes you angry how our government are ripping us off..At the same time most Filipinos are pretty much brainwashed by the media and are but blind sheep. The Government keeps the people dumb in order to easily control them.
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March 13th, 2011 at 11:03 pmYes, but what good will it do if all we do is criticize in public, complain and rant. Will that change things? I agree with a lot of antipinoy’s blogs, but considering the root of this all – - turning a simple class discussion to an OFW-mooching related post is a bit out of context. It’s like making something out of nothing just to be someone. That’s not right.
My question for you all antipinoyers who constantly complain: What have you done to undo what is bad about our culture? Do you teach your children to be happy with the successes of others instead of bringing them down like crabs? Do you let them know that there are things that we can be proud of as a people – - like our art, etc? Do you let them know that it’s okay to be morena and there’s no need to use bottles of block and white to be beautiful? Do you let them know that it’s good to know Filipino language instead of be ashamed to speak tagalog? Did you do a comprehensive study to try to understand why somehow, we are culturally inclined to think less of our own culture, etc? We can’t change the country as a whole in a simple snap, but we can change and eliminate what so bad about being Filipino if we acknowledge these mistakes and try to undo it as we raise our children. Telling our Children that it’s shameful to be Filipino just because won’t improve the country and our people. It will just raise them with a chip on their shoulders. There IS something to be proud of in being Filipino – - our resilience, our flexibility through the course of history is reflected on how a LOT of Filipino migrants do so well everywhere. I think that has to be accounted for.
Hating our own skin will not make Filipinos better as a people. We are a young nation. A young culture. We’ve yet to learn so much. But if you all just convince everyone to be ashamed of who they are w/o doing anything…Nothing will ever happen. Nothing. That’s just like Noynoy – - Nothing
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bokyo Reply:
March 13th, 2011 at 11:09 pmAnswers are on the About Us page of this site.
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March 13th, 2011 at 11:40 pmUhm, Renato Pacifico will change the culture, immensely. I guarantee you
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March 15th, 2011 at 5:46 pmCrab culture is for crab people. Are you a crab person because you feel like seeing the negativity and exposing it to the youth is to the effect of bringing people down? If you don’t know where the problems lie, how do we work on a solution? Like stupid habits which people like you think linking pride in other Pinoy’s indivdiual accomplishments (or worst, their lineage, as in Proud to be Pinoy, considering you can’t be proud of being BORN AS A PINOY) , as oppose to understanding the methods and mentality it took to create something with their hands? Did you know that Filipino language isn’t the only language in the 7,107 islands and the others have as much, if not more history, merit and culture than the more popular, manila based Taga-ilog or that long before spanish started influencing the vernacular, we had Alibata? Of course not, considering no Pinoy knows about it, or isn’t highlighted.
The children deserve more than your gifts of perceived tradition. It is a vicious cycle if you consider the way you understand your tradition is because of how your father taught it to you and so forth. And certainly there are negative aspects of it highlighted. Meanwhile, by breaking tradition to teach about what is proper and better, they can understand why the older traditions are nothing more than traditions and something that is weighing them down from their full potential. What AP isn’t showing what is BAD ABOUT PINOYS, but things that can help make a BETTER PINOY, one that is beyond blind nationalism and about true unity by being released by the shackles of misinformation and weighing in values that really matter that are UNIVERSAL, and not uniquely Pinoy. Hell, pinoys don’t have a monopoly on certain negative traits, but we act as if we should accept this status quo because… ITS TRADITION! For the sake of your child and the children of tomorrow for the country, I’m with AP to help change that. If they can be stronger minded than me and understand more than I do when they hit my age, then I’d be damn glad.
We may be a young nation… prone to accepting excuses as opposed to learning the value of earning success as a youth, but finding ways to get back on your feet when you have fallen down. Which will one day save the country to stop associating themselves with tagging themselves with traditions of failing and separate who their are as a Pinoy and what they can be as a human being. They aren’t the only children in this green earth and many more countries have youths who are willing to fight tooth and nail for values and their future. Something Pinoys should admire, not admonish and look to excuses and status quo to not improve on things. Besides, Singapore, Japan and Korea didn’t share that point of view, saw their priorities and enjoy their national gifts with a fierce passion.
You have given up the moment you disagree with my view. Because the way you wrote yours, it sure sounds like you are resigned to that bad culture.
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ABNKKBSNPLAKoi Reply:
March 16th, 2011 at 2:08 amO ano, Rewind, iyak ka no? Pag sinasabihan ka ng dapat gawin at tamong ugali, hwag magbalat-sibuyas at sabihing pinpagalitan ka nang walang dahilan. Kaya nga pinagagalitan ng magulang ang mga anak para dumisiplina at iwasto ang mga gawaing mali. Hwag kang OA at mag-akalang galit ang mga antipinoys sa lahat ng Pinoy (see again nga ang About Page).
Paano mo nga malalaman na mali ang ginagawa ninyo kung walang magsasalita at mag-cocomplain? Haiz… ungas.
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Rewind Reply:
March 16th, 2011 at 11:22 amGrabe, ang haba ng explanation.. hahaha..time waisted… eto lang ba ginagawa ng community nyo??
Mag trabaho nga kayo!!
hahaha!!
Iyak pa mga ka Pinoy!!!
Jay Reply:
March 16th, 2011 at 4:26 pmI make money AND I have time to blog. You Jelly?
- wrote on 13 March, 2011, 23:04
A very interesting thought about dole outs. In Singapore they also have their share of poverty but I observed that instead of begging for money, they sell 3 pcs of small pack of tissue for $1, even if you can buy a dozen of them for another $1 at your local convenient store. Or if they’re not selling tissues, you see them play instruments, do a small feat , or sell pens. Like they’re “working”
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Mihael Keehl Reply:
March 17th, 2011 at 11:28 amTrue! While I’d rather have the frail elderly stay at home and enjoy life, still it’s also nice to see how they choose to retain their dignity and earn a living no matter how easy or simple it is.
That’s why I buy those 3 tissue packs for SGD1 with a smile.
I do it, not because I feel sorry for them, but I do it because I respect their desire to contribute to society and take care of themselves. On the other hand, that translates into roughly only Php11.3 per tissue pack (which is small) that sells at Php12-Php15 at our local 7-11 or Ministop. Not a bad deal. “…do a small feat ,”
I once saw an old Singaporean man perform some stunts with ropes and wooden balls a’la nunchucks. That is no small feat, ha. Were I to do that, I’d end up hurting myself and a bunch of bystanders as well ahahaha.
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- wrote on 13 March, 2011, 23:47
Nicely put, Chiara.
On-topic: There’s not much to comment about this. I have seen a handful of people or orgs asking for solicitations, but they’re nothing much of a big deal to me. It is not painful to give, unless you analyze deeply their motives and other underlying speculations which could affect others indirectly before scrutinizing.
At the end, it’s only a basketball game. Why so serious? Best mind your own business and do your job well, for your own self and for your family here in the Philippines (if you’re living and working abroad). Some are too old to be bickering online.
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- wrote on 13 March, 2011, 23:56
Perhaps this freeloader mentality can also be blamed on the Church. With teachings such as, “Blessed are the poor,” “Share your blessings,” “Feed the hungry, give water to the thirsty, clothe the naked” and basically provide for the ****-poor, it kind of led to this distorted mentality that it’s the obligation of the privileged to provide for the underprivileged.
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- wrote on 14 March, 2011, 2:01
Hey, if you don’t want to give then don’t. Nobody’s forcing you to. And truth be told if you’re going to give then use it as fodder to degrade and disparage all Bosconians, like you’ve already done, then perhaps you should just keep your money and your opinions to yourself.
In all honesty, I agree with a lot of what you’re saying. With our batch the players themselves contribute what is needed to the fund with additional money provided by those who are well-off enough to afford it. Every player contributes, sometimes in trickles but they all give. What I cannot understand is why you feel the need to denigrate and disparage an educational institution as a whole just to prove your point. What you’re basically saying at the beginning of your post is that ALL or a majority of Bosconians are idiots and are worthless. Just because your batch ask for a donation doesn’t automatically mean that all Bosconians are morons.
A lot of Bosconians, perhaps yourself included, have gone on to have successful and fulfilling careers. A lot of us are captains of industry, high-ranking officers in the military, government officials, elected and appointed. A lot of us are doctors, architects, engineers, educators, builders, entertainers, etc, etc… You can’t tell me that a majority of these people are, as you like to call them, “cretins”.
Myself, I’m proud to be a Bosconian, I may not be a captain of industry, but I have done well enough for myself to start a family, to own my own house and car, to send three kids to school, all without having to leave the land of my birth. I’d like to believe that the capability to do so was in no small part contributed to by my 7 years in Don Bosco Makati. Busko forever!
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bokyo Reply:
March 14th, 2011 at 7:49 amamen Kapatid, Bosconian din ako, sa loobang Manda lang
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Tigre Reply:
March 14th, 2011 at 9:40 pmMaganda din sa Manda. Kahit saan ka pa galing, doesn’t matter if it’s Makati, Manda, Tarlac, Pampanga, etc. you should be proud to be a Bosconian. Mahirap dito sa author, he basically says that all Don Bosco products are cretins, kung ganun eh di siya din cretin di ba? Galing din naman siyang Don Bosco di ba?
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bokyo Reply:
March 15th, 2011 at 11:21 pmThat part I also disagree due to overgeneralization of the Bosconiansas cretins, however he’s spot on what priorities should be settled first vs the idea of solicitation (which is thoroughly discussed that there’s nothing wrong on solicitations as long as you have already settled your main priorities and the funds are spent wisely on the program itself) , and the plight of most OFWs who worked hard abroad while some or most of your relatives think that you’re already a walking ATM and not help themselves.
- wrote on 14 March, 2011, 2:37
I think the point of this post is that OFW’s and Filipinos who are citizens of other countries do not want their relatives to rely on their more economically well off relatives for assistance.
So next time you do see some OFW’s ranting about it, I think it’s more of a rant out of stress and a sign that those relatives back home should start finding other ways to generate more income. Of course, legal ways.
Now asking for others to pay for Jerseys for the purpose of recreation/entertainment at 30 years of age should be frowned upon in any country. Same with sending money for beauty pageants and err things like running for mayor.
Whatever, maybe you can send money for those but I sure as hell ain’t gonna. I mean I’m not attending beauty pageants, running for mayor or maintaining basketball teams here in my new “home” far from the Philippines, what makes you think I’d send money just for that to my relatives? I’d send money for education, medicine, disaster relief and food perhaps, but beauty pageants, pfft…
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Sonyun Reply:
March 14th, 2011 at 2:45 amI would send money perhaps for their prom or even send a dress/tuxedo but things such as basketball teams and beauty pageants should be something the ones in the Philippines take care off instead of calling out faraway relatives just so their cousin can play basketball.
Might I note that it still baffles me why basketball is the most popular sport when Filipinos are more likely to excel in soccer, gymnastics, marathons, baseball, etc.
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Rewind Reply:
March 14th, 2011 at 3:20 amYup, certainly u are a Filipino cause u are “kuripot”, just don’t give kung sakto lng para sau o sa family mu.. but if you think na wala ka na pag lagyan ng pera mu, better think twice, ksi basketball is promoting good health, teamwork and camaraderie, while beauty contest… wla ko maisip.. hehe. Anyways goodluck to you.
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Jay Reply:
March 15th, 2011 at 8:08 pmksi basketball is promoting good health, teamwork and camaraderie
agree ako kung american NCAA collegiate basketball. O kahit Euro Basket. Pero sobrang panis ang PBA. Lalo ang UAAP and NCAA ng Pinas.
ABNKKBSNPLAKoi Reply:
March 16th, 2011 at 2:14 am@Rewind: “Kuripot” ka diyan… beggar ka kasi eh. Mahilig mangalabit ng pera “pahingi po ng pera” kesa magbanat ng buto. You are certainly like most Filipinos (take note, hindi lahat, pero generally ganyan sa atin)… haiz.
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March 16th, 2011 at 11:36 amYeah.. weh.. hindi nga, nag agree si Jay..? hehe.. and who said i giv a dmn abt those pba, uaap and ncaa players…
@ABNKKBSNPLAKoi, pahingi po ng pera.. hahaha
Iyak pa!!
- wrote on 14 March, 2011, 3:22
I really hope you reveal yourself to your batch mate who invited you for a healthy and intelligent discussion. Man to man, Filipino to Filipino US grad to US grad, published writer to blogger. I thank you
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- wrote on 14 March, 2011, 3:36
IT MAY BE DISGUSTING FOR YOU THE BASKETBALL SOLICITATION PRACTICES BUT WHAT HAS GOT TO DO WITH DON BOSCO? OVER RATED, OVER PRICED CRETINS? AS IF YOUR SAYING THAT GLORIA ARROYO AN ASSUMPTION AND ATENEO GRAD A CORRUPT PERSON MAKES ALL GRADS OF THOSE SCHOOLS CORRUPT?
WELL THERE GOES THE SAYING A SINGLE ROTTEN TOMATO COULD RUIN A BASKET FULL. REALLY?
OVER RATED AND OVER PRICED? I PITY YOU, FOR YOU WERE THE ONLY ‘NORMAL” PERSON WHO GRADUATED IN DON BOSCO , I MAYBE A CRETIN OR MOST OF US MAYBE CRETINS OR LUNATICS WHAT EVER YOU
LIKE TO CALL US BUT STILL WE VALUE IN OUR HEARTS AND MIND DON BOSCO`S TEACHINGS.JUMP SHOUT RUN SING BE A LOCO BE A CRETIN BE A LUNATIC BUT DON`T SIN DI BA?
BITTER KA KASI WALA NAG MAHAL SIGURO SA YO SA BUSKO UMUUWI KA KASI AGAD E HINDI KA KASI NATAMBAY SA MAKATI CINEMA SQUARE O NAKAIN BURGER MACHINE PATI ALMA MATTER MO TINITIRA MO STICK TO BASKETBALL STICK TO THE ISSUE.[Reply]
Tigre Reply:
March 14th, 2011 at 4:34 amAh, a fellow batch 88? Amen to everything you said brother. The author is always welcome to make his point but is it too much to ask not to generalize and lump all graduates of our beloved Don Bosco as cretins? Mayhap the author should be considered a cretin himself for lumping all of the graduates into a single category. I’m sure madami sa ating schoolmates ang mga naging “bad apples”, but should that be enough of a reason to lambast a whole school?
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Pop Reply:
March 15th, 2011 at 10:24 amWell if there are “too many” bad apples or “too few” good apples, then Don Bosco deserves to be criticized. How many “good” apples graduated from this school?
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Hsing Tao Reply:
March 15th, 2011 at 10:31 amThe most prominent alumnus of the school is Gringo Honasan.
EGBUENAVENTURA 88 Reply:
March 15th, 2011 at 4:30 pmIF THAT IS THE CASE, THEN SHOULD WE CRITICIZED SCHOOLS PRODUCING BAD APPLES TURNED POLITICIANS OR CORRUPT BUSINESSMEN SUCH AS ATENEO , LA SALLE UST , SAN BEDA ETC?
BUT OUR POINT HERE WITH MY FELLOW BATCHMATE LE TIGRE IS, IF THE AUTHOR HAS SOME ISSUES WITH THE SOLICITATION PRACTICES OF SOME ALUMNI IN THEIR BASKETBALL LEAGUE THEN WRITE ABOUT IT, LAMBASTE THOSE BOZOS WHOM HE THINKS HAVE DONE NO GOOD BUT NOT THE INSTITUTION NOT THE BOSCONIAN GRADUATES WHOM THE AUTHOR CALLED CRETINS,IN WHICH WE HAVE DONE NOTHING WRONG TO HIM NOR HAVE ANY KNOWLEDGE ABOUT THIS SOLICITATION PRACTICES IS UNCALLED FOR.
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March 15th, 2011 at 10:50 pmIf that is the case, then yes.. you are free to criticize other schools as well, there is no stopping you. The author freely criticized his school simply because he can’t stand the standards there, nor its system. If he offended you, then disprove his claims. Its just simple really.
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Jay Reply:
March 15th, 2011 at 5:50 pmAnd you certainly value the CAPS LOCK, what with Don Bosco’s education for legibility for the English Language.
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diego`s girl Reply:
March 15th, 2011 at 7:47 pm‘ what with Don Bosco’s education for legibility for the English Language.” huh? ano kamo? pati ba naman pag all caps ng tao kailangan mo pang pansinin. “STICK TO THE ISSUE”
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Jay Reply:
March 15th, 2011 at 8:06 pmSyempre, tyak mabait lang ako dahil pinansin ko ang kanyang sinulat, kung baga sa nettiquette ibig sabihin sumisigaw sya. Iyan ba ang isang paraan para ma pa express ang isang idea ng maayos? Buti si rafterman dinaan sa matinong salita, di lang sa pang bastos na pag type sa internet.
Nag sulat na ako tungkol sa isyu, kung CTRL+F mo pangalan ko. On topic pa rin ako at kung gusto mo sumali sa iilan mga responses.
Rewind Reply:
March 16th, 2011 at 11:45 amYeah.. sie Jay ang spokes person ng Kulto ni rafterman.. hehehe..
Jay Reply:
March 16th, 2011 at 4:32 pmeh ginagawa nyung respetadong hudas si rafterman eh. Hindi naman ganyan ang tinuro ni Don Bosco no? Sa bagay alam ko dahil mga Xaverians ang nagturo sa akin, hahah.
- wrote on 14 March, 2011, 4:40
This and your constant bantering about the Filipino culture, I find it quite disturbing that you proudly participate in in ROTC alumni groups in Facebook, seemingly very innocent and proud of your Bosconian heritage and tenure as an officer. What a hypocrite you are!
Please do not say, that, I, a lowly Filipino jealous crab who would like to bring you down because I am intimidated by your success in the United States of America. That is your business and all I can say is good for you (and I say this with all my heart – - I’m not and was never the envious crab type, mind you – -but I am a Filipino) However, I would like to sadly inform you that you are no different from the “typical Filipinos” you oh so love to criticize with utmost zeal and passion.
1) You are a CRAB – instead of being happy for the likes Manny P and at the very least being happy for the glimmer of hope he brings to the destitute countrymen, you find a way to rain on his parade and everyone else’s.
2) You are Stupid and Deluded by grandeur (much like the yellow fever ridden freaks) Yes you are a stupid idiot deluded by the grandeur. You must think that your money and your six figure income gives you the right to criticize people you barely know. You must think that being a real estate director of acquisitions of company that survived the recession gives you all the right to speak ill of your people and your countrymen. What good have you done to undo all the wrongs of our Filipino culture? You spend so much time criticizing people, raining on the parade’s of people, commenting on the pages of TFC newscasters, blogging and ranting? Have you actually done something to improve our culture? Do you plan to raise your kids, telling them to aim high? Do you plan to tell them what’s good about being Filipino or do you plan to raise them with hate much as you try to attract fans from all over the globe with your bashing.
I feel bad having to write this to you. I really liked your earlier blogs and found them quite entertaining and thought provoking. However, the way you manipulated this blog for your own popularity has just made me sick to my stomach. You are such a hypocrite. Posting ”Proud to have served and see my brothers here. Honor, Courage, Duty.” on a DBTI ROTC alumni page one minute and calling Bosconians and Filipinos as a whole moochers. If you are so proud of your beliefs, then I dare you to accept your fellow alumnus’ invitation for a healthy discussion.
Please, do entertain and educate us more with your blogs. But next time, don’t use a private closed group discussion (from your little brother’s batch, I suppose???) to start another INTELLIGENT topic.
Peace be with you,
Your loving and dedicated Fan…and potential client.
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mga ulol Reply:
March 14th, 2011 at 9:11 amdaaang! @unreal: you are so unreal… say it straight up >>> rafterman, you are an ahsssss!… that’s what’s wrong with flips/flipflams… beating around the bush and full of sheeeeet!…. may pahabol ka pang “potential client”… bwa ha ha ha ha ha….
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Hsing Tao Reply:
March 14th, 2011 at 10:30 amAno ba yan! It became about the author again. Tama nga yung sinabi sa affiliated site ng AP na http://www.getrealphilippines.com na ang pinoy will rather focus on personalities than the idea. Ayan nga! Ad hominems nanaman ang binabanat sa author ng AP. Wala akong paki kahit si rafterman si donald trump kung mali siya, i will attack his ideas. Wala din akong paki kung si rafterman ay yung taong grasa sa may quiapo. Kung tama siya, i will defend his IDEAS. Broad minded people talk about ideas, average minded talk about events, small minded talk about people.
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rafterman Reply:
March 14th, 2011 at 5:02 pmWell, the existence of the revered Cadet Corps was one of the school’s redeeming qualities. If you have known the person everyone called “Kaka”, you will know. Ask the older ones (pre-year 2000) if you didn’t get to know him and they will tell you. Aside from Kaka, there are about only 5 to 7 other teachers who I really could call “mala-Kaka” meaning they really cared. That aside, that is the beauty of the Internet. It doesn’t matter who or what you are, you are free to express views and have a discourse about views. I do not know who you are, nor need to know but I support your right to be here and share your opinion. Freedom of speech kumbaga. Glad you liked the other articles and if I have more time I will write some more. Come back again soon.
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- wrote on 14 March, 2011, 4:59
Kilala ko si afterman and the no-bozo na nabangit, they are both nerds.. cla ung binubully nung high-school sa Busko, they are are just using this site to get back to those bullies!!! haha..
The problem with Filipinos is they are not used in saying NO to moochers… akala nila na dedegrade cla kung ayaw nila mag bigay, madami pa cla sinasabi.. solicitations are only for those na may sobrang pera.. kaya kayong mga OFW just say NO kung ang pera nyo para sa inyo lang at sa family nyo, hindi naman lahat ng nag wwork abroad malaki kumita.. pero kung sobra sobra pera nyo at hindi nyo alam kung saan nyo dadalhin, maybe then bka makatulong kyo sa friend nyo which in this case sa batchmates nyo., let me tell you basketball is a passion and it promotes good health and camaraderie, hindi ito drugs. kaya mga Pinoy open your mind, hindi lahat na nakapost dito sa AP totoo., opinion lang ng iba yan.[Reply]
mga ulol Reply:
March 14th, 2011 at 9:03 amdaaaang! i put up a sign in my shanty to ward off solicitors: NO SOLICITATION!… and, i’ll sell you the extra sign i personally made (which is made of authentic balikbayan box cardboard) for Pph500.00/sign… cheap…
for flip gung gongs who tried to put positive spin on “begging” to play a stupid game (at the expense of others), mahiya naman kayo… tumanda kayo ng paurong….[Reply]
- wrote on 14 March, 2011, 5:25
Yes!!! AUTHOR sucks big time!!! May be i’ll put up my own blog site ANTI-AP!!!
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AlvinEternal Reply:
March 14th, 2011 at 6:38 amObvious troll is indeed obvious.
Anti-Pinoy is not only about like what rafterman posted. It ranges from everything: politics, and even our culture. So read most of the articles before you wreck havoc.
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Rewind Reply:
March 14th, 2011 at 8:19 amhehe.. Ok.. screw afterman, he’s a disgrace to the community.
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kickapoo Reply:
March 15th, 2011 at 11:53 amBut what if someone wants to put up a site against your Anti-AP? Then that dude will call his blog Anti-Anti-Antipinoy… that is so cool
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Jay Reply:
March 16th, 2011 at 4:36 pmeh panu ka magkakaroon ng pera para takbuhin ang anti-ap site mo? Mag papa almos ka rin? Pa utos mu nalang lola mo. Baka mas lalong pagbigyan sya, lalo pag dumating ang SBG ni Bossing sa bahay mo para bigyan ka pabuya.
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- wrote on 14 March, 2011, 6:25
Maraming nagsasabing nakabubuti sa kalusugan ang basketbol, ngunit kapag 30 taong gulang na o higit pa rito ang isang tao, mas madali nang masira ang kasu-kasuan sa katawan sa ganintong uri ng laro. Kung gusto niyo ng gawaing nakabubuti sa kalusugan, hindi basketbol ang sagot. Hindi ako magbibigay ng pera sa isang gawaing alam kong makasasama sa kalusugan ng aking mga kaibigan.
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AlvinEternal Reply:
March 14th, 2011 at 6:34 amAnd no wonder why most pro basketball players retire when they are in their 40s.
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Rewind Reply:
March 14th, 2011 at 8:07 amhaha… obviously ur not into sports… pacquioa is 32 and still going.., they are only retiring sa competitive basketball katulad ng PBA.. etc… ksi pabata ng pabata, empre mahirap sumabay dun.. pero sa barangay and sa mga alumni na liga nag lalaro prin ksi may age grouping dun.. some can’t stop cause it’s their passion and their way in keeping physicallly fit.
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72 V10 Reply:
March 14th, 2011 at 9:01 amIba kasi ang injury sa basketbol at boksing. Iba ang joint movements, iba ang muscles involved, iba ang forces elicited, iba ang training, etc. Magbasa ka ng kaunting kinesiology para maliwanagan ka.
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Rewind Reply:
March 14th, 2011 at 9:38 amBro, d b nag lalaro rin ng basketball c pacquio?. hindi ko kelangan mag basa, hindi lahat dun nakukuha kelangan mag laro ka, pre 40 nako pero i’am playing like a 25 yr old nsa disciplina yan.. sbi ko nga ur not into sports, mahirap maki pag argue sa walang alam., we players knew the risk and we know how to prevent it.
72 V10 Reply:
March 14th, 2011 at 11:43 amHindi naman ganun kadalas mag-basketbol si Manny. At national athlete ako sa powerlifting. Haha.
Pero kung paniniwala mong ligtas ang basketbol at may husto kang disiplina para hindi ka ma-injure, wala namang pumipigil sa’yong maglaro. Ang sa akin lang, hindi ko siya maipapayo sa mga kaibigan kong meron nang edad. Marami pa namang pwedeng gawing cardio na hindi masama sa tuhod.Smackdown Reply:
March 14th, 2011 at 12:17 pmAng galing naman ni Mr. Powerlifter… ay teka, Olympic sport ba yan? Sikat ba kayo parang Azkals? Hindi diba? Lakas niyo kasing mag-steroids eh! Pipili ka na nga lang ng sport ung illegal pa! Walang silbi ang kinesiology mo! Hahahahaha!
At ito namang si Rewind, fixated na fixated. Lakas pang mang-bully. Hurt ba pride mo? Tinamaan ba ni rafterman ang machismo mo? 40 year old na parang 25 maglaro ha? Isa kang tunay na BOZO! BOZO THE CLOWN! Hahahahaha!
Natutuwa ako kasi kahit ang usapan kung safe ba ang bball sa mga 30+ nauuwi sa personalan. Ang galing talaga ng mga Pinoy! Hahahahaha!Jay Reply:
March 15th, 2011 at 6:03 pmLOL azkals hanggang mongolia lang. Eh paanu korea and Japan na may sariling league at dalwang nationals na STARTERS, di alternates tulad nila yunghusbands?
At ang daming walang alam ang mga nag sa satsat. Pwede mag power lifting na walang steroids. At kahit may steroids, di lahat pwede mangarap na maging GOBYERNATOR tulad ni Ahnuld Schwarzenegger. Total, maraming mga pinoy di rin kayang tapatan ang training schedule at mental mindset nya nung mga panahon ng domination nya sa bodybuilding.
at para kay rewind, pahiwatig na may mas alam ang mga pilipino tulad mo sa sports kay sa boxing, billiards (not a sport), azkals admiring at basketbol.
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March 16th, 2011 at 8:28 am@Jay
Tama ka, baka nga nag-generalize ako masyado. May kaibigan ako sa powerlifting na nagsasabing marami siyang kilalang nahulihan nang nag-steroids. Natatawa lang ako sa dalawa eh. Nagmukha kasing magparamihan at magyayabangan sila ng accomplishments. Parang mga napakagaling nating mga pulitiko na walang ginawa kundi magyabang na wala namang napapala. Hahahahaha!
72 V10 Reply:
March 16th, 2011 at 8:44 amKung makita ng kaibigan mo ang mga sinabi mo dito, baka hindi ka na niya kaibiganin. Kaunti lang kami sa Powerlifting, kaya baka maisumbong pa kita. Mahal namin ang Powerlifting, kahit maraming mas malakas sa amin sa ibang bansa, kahit kailangan pa naming gumastos para lang makasali sa mga tournament, kahit walang suporta mula sa gobyerno. May potential ang Pinoy sa Powerlifting kasi hindi gaano katangkad ang ating lahi. Bagay talaga sa tayo Powerlifting. Kaya bago ka magsalita ginoong Smackdown, isipin mo ang hirap na pinagdaraanan ng iyong kaibigan sa pagbubuhat. Hindi mo kinailangang magsalita ng ganoon upang palabasin ang iyong punto.
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March 15th, 2011 at 10:48 am@72 V10
Ah ok.. nice, well explained, atleast we are promoting sports.
Weh.. hindi rin.. hahaha
Iyak Pa!!!
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ABNKKBSNPLAKoi Reply:
March 16th, 2011 at 3:04 am@Rewind: Hurt nga pride niya, hahaha. Tingnan mo wala nang masabi kung hindi “Iyak pa”. Haiz, tipikal na Pinoy sa kanto na wala nang rebuttal sa intelligent talk kung hindi mababaw na replies…
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Rewind Reply:
March 16th, 2011 at 12:14 pmhahaha… hindi rin… minsan hindi mu na kelangan ng mahabang mahabang mahabang explenasyon to prove ur intelligence.. ramdam mo yn, sa reply mu lang kw na apektado e… haha, you, smackdown, Jay.. etc..knows at hindi nyo mapigilan na proteckahan ang AP.. hahaha.. and for me.. am just having fun lambasting all of you!
hahaha..
Iyak pa mga ka-pinoyy!!
Jay Reply:
March 16th, 2011 at 4:40 pmInterestingly, you can’t seem to stop trolling this specific article, regardless of how irreverent your posts may be since you seem to be protecting your institution that you seem to love more than your mother. I wonder whose at a loss here?
Daido Katsumi Reply:
March 16th, 2011 at 10:04 amNapakababaw….
“Now, cry in HELL!”
*Daido thumbs down*
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- wrote on 14 March, 2011, 8:48
daaaaang!…. IF i’m a 30+-yr old unemployed, i wouldn’t even think of playing basketball (or do any sheet that i couldn’t afford)… that’s embarrashing…. since flips are retarded gung gongs, begging for a good time is normal… for the gung gongs who insinuated that basketball as “cardio” exercise >>> start pounding the pavement to look for J O B… looking for a J O B is an cardio exercise in itself… flips, puro kayo gung gongs! wala ng malamon at trabajo, puro pa good time ang nasa kuketo…
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Rewind Reply:
March 14th, 2011 at 9:42 amhaha.. iyak pa!
You never give up don’t u..
follow the thread bro, talo na kyo.. yn ang problema sau, porket may nag blog lang sa community kala mu tama na.. haha
anu to KULTO!
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mga ulol Reply:
March 14th, 2011 at 10:09 amdaaaang… @rewind: ask padre damaso… don bosco is a parochial iskul, di ba? ask padre damaso to delay the monthly remittance to papa sa roma para mayroon kayong pang-basketbol… or, better yet… pray to flipgod for ‘sang tambaks na donor to support 30+ yr old- highly-ejumakeyted-tambays… bwi hi hi hi hi…. hay naku, wala na kayong kayod, puro pa kayo porma… gung gongs!
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Rewind Reply:
March 14th, 2011 at 10:19 amiyak Pa!!
hahaha…
mga ulol Reply:
March 14th, 2011 at 10:30 amdaaang… magkano na ba ang laman ng lata?… sige iyak pa para may bumagsak sa lata… oh by the way, where do i sign up to play in your team “bosconian PULUBIs”…
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March 15th, 2011 at 10:58 am@mga ulol
cvi ko na nga ba pulubi ka e.. hahaha
paki dala lata mo ha bago mag sign-up ha.. hahahaIyak Pa!!!
- wrote on 14 March, 2011, 9:16
It’s so funny when Filipinos emphasize what school they attended:
“I’m a Bosconian!”
“I’m Atenista!”
“I’m proud to be La Sallean!”
And I’m Josephian!” “Ako, Thomasian!”
“Don’t put me down, mas daig ko kayo, I’m an exclusive Assumptionista!”
“Wala kayong lahat, ako Mapuanista!”
“Mas elite ako kesa sa inyo, kasi ako Pamantasan ng Lungsod ng Maynilista!”
Sa America, ‘di man pinapansin kung anong escuela ka natapos. As long as you have experience, intelligence and work hard, you are respected. Americans don’t walk around saying, “I’m Harvadian!” “Oh my God, let’s all bow down cuz she a Yaley!” “Oh my, you’re better than me, you’re a Berkley-istan!”[Reply]
mga ulol Reply:
March 14th, 2011 at 9:37 amdaaaang! @pugot: flips/flipflams tend to announce to the whole world (worst in flipdom) what little or small have… flip is “inferiority complex personified”….
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bokyo Reply:
March 14th, 2011 at 9:09 pmparang naalala ko si Miriam nyan . . “Mag-aral ka nga sa Harvard!” wahahah
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mga ulol Reply:
March 14th, 2011 at 10:08 pmdaaaang! @boks: lukaret mirriam took a couple of seminar at harvard… and she considered herself a harvardian… she’s flipland’s constitutional lawyer…pero walang sinabi sa mga AP HILOminatis who want to change the “system”… bwa ha ha ha ha ha ooooopsie…. delete kaagad…
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Jay Reply:
March 16th, 2011 at 4:47 pmtalagang hinahanga naman ang mga university institutions na yun eh, tyak world class pa. Yung kayang i-world class lang ng mga pinoy ay mga entertainers at solo athletes, pero pag dating sa university/college institutions, hanggang Pilipinas lang. Dahil doon, nagiging Manila pissing school ang usapan.
For those wondering, dahil naging usapang ang high school, Xaverian school ang pinasukan ko. Kahit mga sikat na graduates namin, hindi nag name drop for the sake of elating themselves. Besides my school is known to prepare kids for universities, not trying to get into secondary school pissing contests.
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- wrote on 14 March, 2011, 10:10
“You see, I finished high school at this overrated and vastly overpriced place called Don Bosco Makati and the reason why I say that is because most of its products are cretins”
Yup, obviously rafterman was one of the cretins.
Iyak pa!
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mga ulol Reply:
March 14th, 2011 at 10:21 amdaaaang! @rewind: rafterman saw the light…. have you?… maybe, you need to fast forward and leave your affliction behind…
the lesson learned: if you can’t, don’t… translation to gung gongs >>> if you can’t afford it, don’t indulge… flips, puro kayo gung gongs!
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Renato Pacifico Reply:
March 14th, 2011 at 9:24 pmLookit, kindergarten-drop-out Manny Pacquiao married to fish vendor Jinkee beat all Ateneans, UPnians, La-Sallites, Bosconites and other nites … HA!HA!HA1HA! Kasi Flippinos love the underdoggie.
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mga ulol Reply:
March 14th, 2011 at 10:27 pmdaaaang!… @renpac: tonggressman doc fcukiao makes more tha flipland’s GDP…. team don bosconian tambaks should have asked flipland fist of fury for uniforms and imported from ‘merka, chinese made adidas y nikes…
i know doc fcukiao woudln’t hesitate to send them a check using flipland’s UN ambassador as the courier…
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- wrote on 14 March, 2011, 11:47
If you’re going to attack rafterman, attack his/her ideas, not his . Grow up, people. Seriously, attacking a person is so elementary school.
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Thinker Reply:
March 14th, 2011 at 11:59 amLet me add to that. If you attack his person instead of his logic, you’re no different from people who throw sand at each other in the sandbox at some kindergarten playground.
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Smackdown Reply:
March 14th, 2011 at 12:23 pmAgree! Ang ganda-ganda ng usapan tapos nauuwi sa personalan. Eh, ganyan naman dito sa Pinas eh. Lagi nalang pasikatan. Kaya pati eleksyon nauuwi nalang sa siraan. Nagmumukhang bobo tuloy ang mga Pinoy. Mabuhay ang Pinas! Hahahahaha!
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mga ulol Reply:
March 14th, 2011 at 10:20 pmdaaaang! @think: “Grow up, people. Seriously, attacking a person is so elementary school…” tell that to the AP HILOminatis… since i don’t buy their cut-and-paste intellectual bullsheeit, they love to attack me and they delete my rebuttal to make them look like they “WON”.. and i cowed under their superior collegiate wisdom (ubo ubo)….. yooooohoooooOOOOooooooo…. kaya banned doon sa AP FPUCKBOOK….
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Jay Reply:
March 16th, 2011 at 4:50 pmBut ad-hominem is so addictive and so easy! Its even accepted in pinoy argumentative circles much like plagiarism is accepted in the judicial body of the government!
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- wrote on 14 March, 2011, 12:09
i find it absurd, stupid really, that people who are old enough to work will beg just so they can have a good time. “huwag magbisyo kung walang pambisyo.”
is basketbol a bisyo? hell, yes, if you are not a pro. if you’re a 30-something non-pro basketboler, weekend basketbol is a lame excuse for a cardio workout. just take the stairs or walk the five days you’re at work and you would have done enough for your heart. or just eat healthy. there’s no need to put the blame on those who will not give you alms, er donations, if you suffer a heart attack because you were not able to play basketbol.
true, there’s nothing wrong with solicitation per se. what is wrong is the concept of asking money from others when they themselves should be the ones paying for it as expected of them. if highschoolers will solicit money for their liga, then that’s fine. aside from them not having a job or not being able to get one yet due to their age, they are being taught that they should not get everything from their parents. they’re being taught to be resourceful by soliciting. if an NGO will solicit money to further their advocacy, then that’s fine. other than not having a stable income due to the nature of their organization, they also teach, or at least inform, others about what they fight for, thus making more people aware with the hope that these people will be more socially responsible. but if men old enough to have families will ask others for basketbol shorts, gas, etc., ano pang pinagkaiba nila sa mga tambay na humihingi ng mga barya-barya sa mga jeepney driver para may maipambili ng gin?
true, anyone can say “no.” but do we just stop there? if a tax assessor wants padulas/palaman from you, would it be enough to just say “no”? or will you give in because you have “excess money” just so they’ll stop asking? or will you give in because you have “excess money” and believe that you will be rewarded tenfold for your generosity? or, better, you will point out the mistake and stand up for what you believe is right?
some people think that they have refuted an argument by the simple showing that other cultures/nations are the same or worse. parang, “let’s not call pinas a country of moochers because americans mooch too.” if we follow this logic, it will be like saying, “let’s not call mcdonald’s unhealthy because kfc and carl’s jr. are unhealthy too.” ganun lang ba yun? mali tayo, mali sila, mali tayong lahat — period. do we stop there and refuse to improve or correct ourselves?
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- wrote on 14 March, 2011, 12:47
The fact that some people here who are defending the bums proves the point about our cultures.
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- wrote on 14 March, 2011, 13:02
How have you all changed the ills of our culture? Have you taught your children the value of hard work and perseverance? Have you taught your children, if not, your nephews and nieces that value of knowing and loving your own language and culture? Do you, everyday, factually acknowledge the fact that you are Filipino? Did you at least try to vote the last elections in hope to put the (non-yellow) candidate of your choice? What HAVE YOU done in your own little way to change the cancer of our society apart from write and foster hate online? Tell me.
What’s utterly interesting about this whole exchange that it’s all skin deep. You point fingers at everyone but yourself – - much like Noy Noy Aquino, who is the epitome is dumbness in this blog. How different are you from him? Rafterman (and brother) how different are you from NoyNoy when you point fingers at your fellow alumni and throw stones in to their faces criticizing them? This reminds me of a recent blog of Bong Bong Marcos – - how some people are so busy finger pointing, they forget to actually do something – - it seems like you are no different.
You say many wise things, especially about how OFW’s tend to be abused/taken advantage of their families. A lot of people in the Philippines do have to understand that the money they receive is a product of hard work from their relatives – -and it’s not easy money. However, It’s disconcerting how small minded you actually are - -no different, if not worst than the very people you like to criticize. You live and are educated in the United States – -you should know first hand the value of diversity – - not profiling, not having prejudices, not generalizing. But look at you – - you, a Filipino is the first one to fuel the innate hate and insecurities of some Filipinos world wide?! What good have you done??
One of the things that I love about the U.S culture as opposed to the Filipino culture is how people can be so careful about race comments, social status, etc. That’s one thing about the Philippines that I do NOT miss at all – - how a lot of people hero-worship caucasians, or any non-Filipino for that matter. However, I always have to think that alot of the people back home have NOT had the opportunity to live and work amongst people of other nationalities and races – - so the concept of cultural sensitivity is unknown to them. It’s not their fault – - our country is just very homogenous that way. However, for someone like you who has lived and worked amongst Asians, Caucasians, Blacks, Hispanics, etc – - -and still carry that attitude that generalizes, etc – - it’s just sad and sheer ignorant.
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rafterman Reply:
March 14th, 2011 at 5:14 pmHello. I invite you to read BongV’s article:
Why bother to get real?
http://antipinoy.com/why-bother-to-get-real/Hope you find a lot of answers in that piece. Enjoy!
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Angelace Reply:
March 14th, 2011 at 6:35 pmNice BongV. Videos for a response. Well there you have it folks. If you find the responses of the Anti-Pinoy writers TL;DR (Too Long; Didn’t Read) – then you have these videos.
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mga ulol Reply:
March 14th, 2011 at 10:02 pmdaaaang!… @Er: “One of the things that I love about the U.S culture as opposed to the Filipino culture is how people can be so careful about race comments, social status, etc…”
whaaaaaat?… the civil rights movement>>> blacks just got their “freedom” not to long ago… they’re lynched and hanged on every tree along ‘bama highways >>> 1960s… latinos/mexicans are turd tier citizens, a notch higher than flips… muslims/arabs, well… i’ll be daaaaang, if you don’t know already…
my prez debonaire obama had been called many names… from a socialist kenyan to alien messiah…
which US culture are you talking about????
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Jay Reply:
March 15th, 2011 at 6:15 pmHowever, I always have to think that alot of the people back home have NOT had the opportunity to live and work amongst people of other nationalities and races – – so the concept of cultural sensitivity is unknown to them.
I love how pinoys just accept what they think as facts. You think Pinoys haven’t been trading with the Chinese or the Malays way before the Spanish came in 1692 and decided to turn them to god fearing citizens under the Spanish Empire? If anything the Philippines have the blessing of dealing with the East (Malays, China) AND the West (Americans, Spanish) long before other nations deal with their own groups. Orion has already stated in another topic how the diverse groups of people in Singapore get along together. Why can’t the Philippines, who aren’t even unified as a people in the country?
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- wrote on 14 March, 2011, 18:41
I want to start by saying that there are no right or wrong opions. It is how we view a particular issue at a certain point in time. That much I know.
With that being said, may I just say that I am both offended and happy to see such passion for a subject that seem, oddly enough, got me thinking…
I’ve always believed that helping is a choice. I too am a graduate of the same institution. And like the batch that was mentioned, our batchmates too have ASKED for help for the same purpose… To be able to join an inter-batch basketball league.
I persnally have not given any sort of donation, not because I don’t want too, but I don’t have any to give out.
And yes. It is much a question of sayong yes or no as much as it is a question of “mooching.”. There is nothing wrong with wanting to help as it is with not wanting too. A yes just means I want and have a liitle extra to share and a no means I don’t have any to share. To me it’s that simple.
I do have to say I am a little offended by your statement about our school. To generalize an entire school with what appears to be a problem with this one particular batch is just wrong. A classic case of a few bad apples ruining the whole basket. As I have stated, my batchmates and I are doing the same thing and yet none of us have raised such a negative tirade about the same issue. If you don’t want to give help, don’t. If it bothers you to not help, it’s probably because you don’t want the negative stigma that may or may not even exist.
I am happy though that you (blogger) have made a point about paying for everything. I will not dole out money so they can buy basketball shoes. Uniforms and quotas I have no problems with. But shoes? That should come out of their own pockets.
Bottom line is, for me atleast, If I donate money ot not, I will never talk about it. I will never praise myself for helping or berate my fellow batchmates for asking for help.
Remember, if you can’t say anything nice, don’t say anything.
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Renato Pacifico Reply:
March 14th, 2011 at 9:21 pmLookit, Ateneo, La Salle, UP, Bosco produce graduates that is equivalent to High-school in gang-infested America. Lookit again, if idiot peryodistas are Filipinos intelligentsias and literatis I JUST WONDER all Filipinos outside of this media industry are thoughting. I have proofs. Why do Filipinos allow these idiot peryodistas to publish nonsense? SEE? graduate of Philippine Universities are dumb stupid idiots. Lookit, again, 99% of Flippinos are literate yet vote idiots to Malacanang. So, stop this non-sense about attacking schools.
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Renato Pacifico Reply:
March 14th, 2011 at 9:21 pmLookit, Ateneo, La Salle, UP, Bosco produce graduates that is equivalent to High-school in gang-infested America. Lookit again, if idiot peryodistas are Filipinos intelligentsias and literatis I JUST WONDER all Filipinos outside of this media industry are thoughting. I have proofs. Why do Filipinos allow these idiot peryodistas to publish nonsense? SEE? graduate of Philippine Universities are dumb stupid idiots. Lookit, again, 99% of Flippinos are literate yet vote idiots to Malacanang. So, stop this non-sense about attacking schools. Rafterman is korek.
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mga ulol Reply:
March 14th, 2011 at 9:52 pmdaaaang!@renpac: ‘sang tambaks na UP grads innsane diego kaliponrya do clerical jobs… and proud of it…
‘sang tambaks na mistahs y opisyal (daw) of PNP/AFPs are security guards (graveyard shift) para di bistado ng kapwa flipunggoys… bwa ha ha ha ha ha ha
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- wrote on 14 March, 2011, 20:09
Rafterman -Feel free to join the group and engage with an intelligent discussion with your fellow published writer who has very strong opinions about our ill culture as well. While you run the risk of being beaten up online (like u would give a flying fluck), I suppose there are a good number of them who would love to discuss Pinoy Culture with you. You are both graduates of US universities and have been living in the US for sometime now so Ilm sure there are some commonalities he will definitely understand.
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- wrote on 14 March, 2011, 21:29
Lookit, basketbol is the way to go to politics like manny pacquiao. The Azkals will become filipinos future politicians. basketball fund raising is just testing the waters for voters.
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mga ulol Reply:
March 14th, 2011 at 9:46 pmdaaaang! the current flipland univ and colleges (aka renpac’s diploma mills >>> univ of viva republic of cebu) produce gung gong geniuses… expert cut-and- paste, wikipedia intellectuals… that’s why the only job they know are hugas pfwets, unidoro specialists, floor (mop) managers, busboys y barmaids… flip graduates do not like to start from the bottom… gusto manager kaagad… kaya, it’s better for them to play basketbols than doing entry level jobs… and to beg for money to buy uniforms, shoes, pang load sa cell phone and pang toma after a hard days’ work…
flips, puro kayo mga gung gongs! wala ng kayod, puro pa porma… bwa ha ha ha ha ha
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- wrote on 14 March, 2011, 22:11
This is so true. And if you don’t dole out, you are considered selfish, madamot.
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savio friend Reply:
March 15th, 2011 at 1:55 amif you can’t give just shut up!
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ABNKKBSNAKo Reply:
March 15th, 2011 at 3:08 amif you can’t give just shut up! <<-
Yup typical rant of an obviously waiting for somebody to support them rather than working themselves. You play as you pay! Not play when somebody pays for you. Puro kayo hingi, puro kayo gunggong!
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Pop Reply:
March 16th, 2011 at 4:58 am“if you can’t give just shut up!” - WTF?
Let me tell you this: If you can’t pay, dont mooch, just shut up… and get a job.
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Jay Reply:
March 16th, 2011 at 4:58 pmoh god, reminds me of a ragnarok online joke from .br
gibe me moni plz. Gib moni or i rprt u 2 admin.
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- wrote on 14 March, 2011, 23:57
ang tawag dyan mga BURAOT.
solicit pa, buraot din yun sa madaling sabe.
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- wrote on 15 March, 2011, 1:12
quoted from GabbyD (props to you btw)
why not basket ball uniforms?
the logic here is that this is a batch-wide effort. so those who cannot (or choose not) to play can help out in other ways, notably financially.
the idea is to spread the duties and responsibilities of the effort.
the real problem, as you have correctly identified, is that there is a possibility of abuse of funds. that can be solved, as i’ve described above.
^^ what he said, specifically this:
the logic here is that this is a batch-wide effort. so those who cannot (or choose not) to play can help out in other ways, notably financially.
it’s an inter batch league. batch against batch. its not “hey a bunch of us wanna play basketball for ****s and giggles against some random nobodies, wanna help us out and donate?”
it’s “hey there’s an inter batch league going on and we’re thinking of playing to REPRESENT our batch (read: to represent you, me, and every fricking one of our batchmates). since this is a batch-wide thing, any and all help is appreciated. DudeA is going to play, DudeB will coach. DudeC goes, damn i can’t play but I wanna help out, let me buy you guys a couple beers after the game to show my support; to show that i am grateful that you are donating your time and effort to represent our batch in the league.
its like the basketball event in the olympics. im pretty sure kobe, wade, lebron, can come together, just the three of them, and fund the whole US olympic basketball team – jerseys, shorts, gatorade, and all. even buy their own ****ing court to practice in. but they don’t, see. the US government SPONSORS them. why do they get sponsored? because they’re playing not for themselves, but for the country (read: batch) as a whole. where does the US govt get the money? from taxes. from every citizen in the country. its even worse because they don’t ask you if you want to donate. they just take the money every month and use it to fund some grown ass men playing basketball.
would it be right to call kobe, wade, lebron, and whoever else plays on the national team moochers then? if you follow the poster’s logic then you will because these people are clearly grown men and should be able to buy their own frickin basketball equipment.
you’ll prolly say, well kobe and the gang aren’t moochers because they certainly have good paying jobs and are not living off of someone else’s sweat. well i can say for sure that those people in the roster for the inter batch league CAN buy their own equipment. it’s not that they don’t want to. if no one donates they’ll prolly cough up the money themselves and still play. its not like if no one donates then the whole league stops. that is why they are ASKING for solicitations and not forcing it upon their batchmates. no one donates? fine, we’ll pay for the **** ourselves and still play.
the concept is this: A,B, and C are all batchmates. Mr A plays basketball well – he donates his skills FOR THE BATCH. Mr B coaches well, he donates his time and brainpower FOR THE BATCH. Mr C isn’t very good in either, so A and B says hey why don’t you donate, any and all donations are welcome. big or small, it will help. i give my time and skills, you give, 10, 20, hell even 5 pesos and we’ll call it even. after all, this is a batch wide effort.
kobe, doc rivers, and barack obama are all US citizens. kobe plays basketball well, he donates his skills FOR THE COUNTRY. Doc Rivers coaches well, he donates his time and brainpower FOR THE COUNTRY. Obama isn’t very good in either, so Kobe and Doc says “hey why don’t you take some money from the govt coffers and fund this whole thing. afterall, this is a country wide effort – we represent the US in the olympics.
its a group effort – that is the point here. we filipinos have a word for that: bayanihan. great job in taking a noble idea and turning it into a despicable one.
now, i’m not saying there aren’t moochers in the philippines. having worked in a first world country i’ve seen my own share of people like this.
my point is, in the case of this inter batch basketball league, it’s BAYANIHAN and not MOOCHING. i’ve tried to explain it as clearly as one could that even a child will understand. you people seem like an educated bunch, i’m pretty sure you’ll figure it out. disprove it if you can. if not, i’d like a formal apology.
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Hsing Tao Reply:
March 15th, 2011 at 8:25 pmSa reaction ng mga batchmate mo binibigyan ninyo ng entitlement ang mga walang trabaho or underemployed. At hindi naman bansa ang nire-represent ninyo kundi mga sarili ninyo lang. Kayo kayo lang. Wala namang mapapala ang taumbayan kung manalo yang batch batch ninyo na yan. Kumbaga PRIVATE RECREATIONAL ACTIVITY yan at hindi puwede ikumpara sa olympic representation ng bansa.
Ang lalayo naman ng mga analogy ninyo mga Bosconian. Hindi yata kayo tinuturuan ng logic sa eskwelahan ninyo eh. Una kinukumpara ang high school little league kids sa mga 30 year old na GURANG. Ngayon naman kinukumpara mga sarili sa mga Olympic Athletes. HOY GUMISING NGA KAYO! Gusto lang ninyo mangwarta at magsaya kahit yung mga ibang walang trabaho gusto lang bulakbol. Mahiya naman kayo sa balat niyo.
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Rewind Reply:
March 16th, 2011 at 1:24 pmhav a life Hsing Tao!! reply ka ng reply.. may trabaho ka b? wag mong sabihin nsa work ka, ur using company time.. o kya productive ka pa ba, kakapuyat mo? sayang binabayd sayo ng company mo.. chill and stay cool pre..
hahaha..
rewind is having fun
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Jay Reply:
March 16th, 2011 at 5:26 pm@LOL
You forgot something in your little quid-pro-quo analogy with this batch basketball situation and the Men’s basketball team.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA_Basketball
USA Basketball is a non-profit organization and the governing body for basketball in the United States. The organization represents the United States in FIBA and the men’s and women’s national basketball teams in the United States Olympic Committee.
So no, Obama and the US government aren’t involved directly in financing Kobe, Lebron, Wade or whatever lies you made up in your wall of text. Where they come up with the money? Ask non profit orgs how they come up with funds as that in itself is a business. So nobody is mooching as with your correlation with how the solicitor is asking money from batch mates to fund an unofficial basketball game.
What you try correlate as bayanihan isn’t it either, as it only involves certain parties that only benefit themselves at the expense of those who want to donate funds. It still comes down to getting donations to support the expenses that are in question, unless they go non profit org and get funds themselves somehow. In fact, you proved how double edged bayanihan is due to its exclusivity. If someone disagrees because they don’t want to make it work, don’t do the work to convince them to try give in. OSTRACIZE THEM because they are worthless and don’t want to be part of this epic basketball game of epicness among epic men.
You want a more superior version of that supposed pinoy monopolized trait? TEAMWORK. You make all parts work toward a common goal, getting the most out of their individual efforts to come out marvelously. Works a lot better than whining about a little tiff and truly shows solidarity and unity even those of uncommon ground.
As for your apology, I guess I do owe you one. Sorry, your superficial attempt to make a solid case with lack of analysis in your analogy has failed. I look forward in your further attempt to rectify your situation and maybe, learn something new from looking at things in a different perspective. I apologize if my efforts make it hard for you to do so but cheer up.
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- wrote on 15 March, 2011, 4:30
You graduated? Then you are as sorry as they are…If not…sour graping…lastly get a life instead of WASTING your time writing to blogs such as these.
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Pop Reply:
March 16th, 2011 at 5:04 amThe author is not wasting his time on writing blogs about what ails our country. The people who ignore the facts laid down in this blog are the ones wasting the time of of the writers. Don’t be a Balat Sibuyas.
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- wrote on 15 March, 2011, 4:45
Tama. As an OFW you can spend years and years of giving for these moochers, but once you stop giving you’ll be branded as “nag bago na” “di na tulad ng dati” (and not in a good way). The whole cycle of sons and daughters being sent abroad to provide for the whole family (and by whole i mean the whole barangays of relatives) will never cease since the people you are helping are not helping themselves. And partly, I blame the OFW themselves for not being brave enough to say “tama na”. They just give and give until their wells are empty. Instead of investing their hard earned cash into projects or businesses that will help develop their community and will give them profits in return, the money are wasted on these “basketball jerseys” from “kanto boys or tambays” who have eagerly waited for your return from abroad, so that they can knock on your doors and give that white envelope with a solicitation letter attached.
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wrote on 15 March, 2011, 6:00Why would a bunch of 30-something unemployed guys participate in a basketball league if they can’t afford it? Maybe they should concentrate on getting jobs first, and then they can play all they want. I see the ‘non-bozo’s’ point. If the guy asking for solicitations simply said, “If you can’t give, that’s ok,” then there would not have been an issue. But he went on to justify the solicitation by mentioning their unemployed batchmates. I thought that was a bad move.
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Hsing Tao Reply:
March 15th, 2011 at 10:26 amYup, the unemployed batchmates and the rising cost of fuel. Lol. Why open the possibility of playing for the unemployed?
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- wrote on 15 March, 2011, 6:26
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“The Stupid Basketball League”
“You see, I finished high school at this overrated and vastly overpriced place called Don Bosco Makati and the reason why I say that is because most of its products are cretins.”
“…that pure excuse of a school.”
“a rare non-bozo from Don Bosco…”
“…the person who said it is a typical imbecile Filipino…”
“…a lot of those left in the land of what the Spaniards accurately called ‘Los Indios Tontos’…”
“…stop whacking off to Willie Revillame’s dancers…”
“You are already ****ing 30.”
I guess the commenting guidelines don’t apply to the AP writer. Talk about having double standards. Isn’t that a Pinoy trait worth criticizing?
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Hsing Tao Reply:
March 15th, 2011 at 10:25 amWhat is offensive to some is not for others. For me, the occasional F word is not “extremely vulgar”. The other statements you quoted would only offend a “balat sibuyas” person who is too emo. Rafterman was writing even before those guidelines, he is just being consistent with his style and for me it is within guideline.
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Mr. B Reply:
March 15th, 2011 at 2:46 pmIf you let your own children see the F word, so be it.
If you let your own children see people berate other schools and generalize their alumni, so be it.
If you let your own children see people berate their country and call Filipinos names, so be it.
If you let your own children see the phrase “whacking off” in a supposedly “engaging, learning and refreshing” discussion, so be it.
AP authorities, if you agree with Hsing Tao’s comment above and do acknowledge that rafterman’s writing and style are within guideline, so be it.
I merely looked for the baseline standard for this site in terms of intelligent discourse. Guess what I found out.
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Jay Reply:
March 15th, 2011 at 6:28 pm@Mr. B
Well obviously Rafterman’s take isn’t exactly child-soluble and may need a guardian to explain certain concepts. But he covered his points well and in HIS PART, tried to turn it to an intelligent discussion regarding his main points. Sadly, the people against his didn’t want any part of it.
Besides, what the hell is wrong with berating other schools? Why would they be concerned about that compared to how THEY PERFORM in their OWN institutions? Or the other points you are making, you assuming that children know what is being talked about, hence they aren’t exactly engaging the discussion unless they are trolling like mad for the sake of their sad and butt hurt parent.
Besides, as the guy below me states, kids nowadays don’t have much passion for anything. This is a passionate discussion between 30+ something males regarding a solicitation that went bad! I definitely wish they get something out of it, especially if it is your child.
rafterman Reply:
March 16th, 2011 at 3:28 pmThank you J. rafterman posts are indeed NOT child soluble so the content acts as a natural filter.
mga ulol Reply:
March 15th, 2011 at 10:43 amdaaaaang! @Mr B: …”let us assume we have children listening – our children, our nephews, our nieces. Let us assume we have family and friends reading – our parents, our aunts, our spouse, our fiancee reading, our kabarkada, our schoolmates….”
have you heard flipkids talk nowadays?…. i cringe everytime i overhear their conversation… these flipkids learn the fliptalk from their parents, aunts, etchastera, etc… lookit at the current administration magnanakaws, they were kids molded by their parents in the realms of pagnanakaws and balasubas…
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- wrote on 15 March, 2011, 11:37
The good thing about Facebook is that everyone can speak their minds. The intelligent people can now band together and make a change in our society. Unfortunately, the ignoramuses of our society, the jocks, the bullies, the pactards and noytards, the catholic-fanatics, the jologs and jejemons, they all learned to sign in to FB and learned to post stuff on the wall. Thereby spreading their ignorance all over the place, in huge numbers, for all the world to see.
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- wrote on 15 March, 2011, 11:58
READ THIS WELL AND MEDITATE ON HOW JESUS VIEWS US FILIPINOS AND GIVES US THE SOLUTIONS TO OUR ILLS.
http://tlig.org/en/messages/668/(Message for the Philippines:)
peace be with you; tell My people to reflect upon My Law; write:
- I am reconciling the world -
tell them that it is I, Jesus; should they ask what is My Message for them, tell them:
- I am coming to reconcile you to My Sacred Heart -
and in reconciling you to Myself, I will ask you for the sake of My great Love to reconcile with one another; I intend to reconcile the world to My Sacred Heart and thus make a new creation out of you all; 9
this is the pledge of My Spirit;
I tell you solemnly, he who sows the seeds of self-indulgence will reap a harvest of corruption and when he faces Me in the Day of Judgement I will tell him:
“go! away from Me;go to the Corrupt one who corrupted you!”unless I hear a cry of repentance
the smell of death that leads to death will continue to rise all the way to heaven, I want no more of this, what I desire from you is:
- incense -
I desire you to be like an incense bowl filled with incense, on an altar, beloved children, let your country be transformed into a huge Altar offering Me the fragrance of incense; I want you to live holy since I am Holy; each day I stretch out My Hands towards you to lift you to Me;
I have shown My Love for you through ages and today again, like a shepherd rescuing his sheep from the lion’s mouth I come to rescue you from the Viper; I shall in spite of your appalling wretchedness not overthrow you as I overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah, I know how oppressed your needy are and how the poor are crushed daily; I know too how miserable you are and oh! I know your crimes … and they are many; due to the violence done to your sons, the innocent blood shed in your country is great!
your misfortunes acquired from sin have challenged My Mercy and for the sake of the greatness of My Love I call your people today together; summon everyone under My Holy Name and tell them that I do not put anyone on trial, neither do I come to menace you; tell your people that I shall outpour My Spirit of Love upon them; like a veil from above I shall spread over your country and like mist My Spirit of Love shall envelop you, and penetrate even from the hinges of your doors and windows;
your people will not be disappointed of My Visit; I shall with My Purifying Fire devour corruption and like a reaper I shall put in My Sickle and cut this harvest of evil, tie it together into a bundle and thrust it into the fire to be burnt and in its place I shall sow seeds from Heaven: seeds of Love; this is your Lord speaking, this is the One who loves you more than any man can understand;
it is I, Jesus, your Saviour,
at your doors now; and I tell you again: come! come to Me, you who are oppressed, I shall comfort you and console you, come! come and have all the Treasures of My Sacred Heart; the Kingdom of God10 is among you, you only have to step inside it; My House is your house; I have opened the door to My Kingdom for everyone; come, do not be tempted by violence any more, repay evil with love -
forgive!
how else will the Father forgive you if you are not willing to forgive? eat from My fruit and not from the fruit of My enemy, for the children of darkness are wicked in dealing even with their own kind because Evil is their master who teaches them to be like him and the man who is dishonest in little things will be dishonest in greater things too; call together your friends and pray; I shall hear your prayer:
- every repentant sinner will be heard — in Heaven -
I, Jesus, bless you all, leaving the Sigh of My Love on your forehead;
9 Rv. 21:1.
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- wrote on 15 March, 2011, 17:07
Let me see if I get this straight… Since you know someone from batch ’97 that had a bad experience with his batchmates about the basketball league, your conclusion is that most of the products of DB Makati are cretins? How about the other batches? Surely you have more data to support this claim right? Yeah, I bet you do.
And because of this opinion of yours about DB Makati, and how you perceived OFW’s are treated, you arrived at the conclusion that the Philippines is a country of moochers? Again, you definitely have a larger sampling size than one school and a group of Filipinos to have this conclusion about the whole country, right? Yeah, I bet you do.
Because if not, you might later conclude that since Philippines is this, then Asia must be that. Therefore, the whole world is this. But what do I know, I’m just another moocher.[Reply]
Jay Reply:
March 15th, 2011 at 6:34 pmnice try. His transition from DB Makati to OFW treatment is based on what the solicitor said, which embodies the dole-out mindset of the country. He didn’t correlate the other batches as he can care less for them in his point. He doesn’t have a large sampling as the people he points out in culture regarding dole-outs DO EXIST. The biggest example are the noon time shows where the poor LAP IT UP to celebs willing to dole out and do an expose about their sob stories and what they couldn’t do about it due to not having what they are expected to be doled out by the celebrities.
His conclusion is rather solid. But hey, you are the one putting words in someone’s mouth, not him.
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ProudMoocher Reply:
March 16th, 2011 at 8:25 am
“His transition from DB Makati to OFW treatment is based on what the solicitor said, which embodies the dole-out mindset of the country. He didn’t correlate the other batches as he can care less for them in his point.”
In a production line, a QC person takes a sample of the batch and if it’s not ‘up to specs’, they trash the whole batch. If they found out about the defect later, the company issues a recall for that batch. They do not trash everything that the company has produced. Should we trash the whole school because of this supposedly one bad batch?—————————————–
”He doesn’t have a large sampling as the people he points out in culture regarding dole-outs DO EXIST.” So if a flaw exist in a culture, does that mean everybody in that culture has that flaw?
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“The biggest example are the noon time shows where the poor LAP IT UP to celebs willing to dole out and do an expose about their sob stories and what they couldn’t do about it due to not having what they are expected to be doled out by the celebrities.”———-I really don’t know what this show is about. But since this is the “biggest” example you have, I wonder what’s the percentage of the participants in this show is compared to the total population of the country.
I don’t really care about the author’s opinion on the league itself. To each his own. But to say the whole school is such and such, or that the whole country is such and such, because of a few supposedly bad apples? That, I have a problem with.
I’d rather that the author respond to this inquiry as well.[Reply]
Jay Reply:
March 16th, 2011 at 5:40 pmDid he correlate the other batches with the one he’s talking about? Stop creating mountains out of mole hills. He was specific about it and if you are trying to create the argument about condemnation as a whole due to a few bad apples, that is your problem that you can’t deal with. And nice strawman argument with So if a flaw exist in a culture, does that mean everybody in that culture has that flaw? He was also specific with his observation and how it occurs in society. Disprove that, don’t create another point to attack the argument.
My problem with you is your inability to argue properly and stick it to the points the author is making and instead creating these other silly points as blind rhetoric to disprove his claims. Its not just the TV shows but the attitudes of the populace with the whole pahingi mentality, which as far as I know, I haven’t encountered with other cultures. Not that it makes Pinoys any worst, but certainly its disturbing that it IS accepted and tolerated.
ProudMoocher Reply:
March 16th, 2011 at 6:36 pm“Did he correlate the other batches with the one he’s talking about?”
Are you kidding me? Ok, I’ll spell it out for you.Here’s a quote from the author’s original post:
“…vastly overpriced place called Don Bosco Makati and the reason why I say that is because most of its products are cretins.”
But after his conversation with Mr. B, he did modify it to say: ”vastly overpriced place called Don Bosco Makati and the reason why I say that is because most of its products that I know of are cretins.”
See how he NOW qualifies that statement? Now he’s just addressing those bosconians that he knows. You sir, need to improve your reading comprehension. But now that the author is not dissing the whole institution, I rest my case. Have a good one!Jay Reply:
March 16th, 2011 at 6:54 pmBut now that the author is not dissing the whole institution, I rest my case. Have a good one!
I guess you were resigned THE FACT that terry hatcher was also insulting pinoy medical schools too huh? Jesus ****ing Mary Doggystyle Christ man, where is your logic?
Nice bible quote taking tactics too bro. I read the whole thing and it never went back to lambasting the DBTI as a whole institution. Rafterman’s writing style seems to strike a chord for inept people who can’t read beyond the obvious and become anal englischze teachurz. My comprehension is rather fine considering I got the message as a whole yet you did what poor Mr. B pulled and took everything face value with vastly overpriced place called Don Bosco Makati and the reason why I say that is because most of its products that I know of are cretins.” when clearly, his opinion (though by your reaction, you take it as fact) he never went out of his way to completely justify it and but just try connect it through the lack of social skills by the solicitor.
ProudMoocher Reply:
March 17th, 2011 at 1:39 pm“My comprehension is rather fine considering I got the message as a whole yet you did what poor Mr. B pulled and took everything face value with vastly overpriced place called Don Bosco Makati and the reason why I say that is because most of its products that I know of are cretins.”
You are quoting the author’s statement AFTER he changed it on 3/16.
The author’s ORIGINAL statement, before he changed it on the 16th, was “most of its products are cretins”. Read the original statement and what you quoted 10 times and you might see the difference.
Unless you’re telling me that the original statement is not lambasting the whole institution as a whole? Is that the author’s style of writing? So if most of, say Chinese he met treated him badly, he’s going to write “most Chinese are bad”? and that’s not generalization? Do you even know what logic means??? Hell, do you even know what the word “generalization” means????The author’s hasty generalization in labeling MOST DBTI-Mkt graduates as cretins is what triggered this lenghty discussion to begin with! You still don’t get that do you?
Ok, for one last illustration…
Before (translation: Original statement)
“most of its products are cretins.”After (translation: After the author changed it on 3/16)
“most of its products that I know of are cretins.”See the difference? You still think they just mean the same?
And if the author is not generalizing it with his original statement, then why did he have to change it?
It seems you know the author real well. Why don’t you talk to him directly and ask what he meant by his original statement? Point to him this post and let him respond so we both can be enlightened. Was he, or was he not, labeling most graduates of DBTI-Mkt as cretins on his original statement.
Here’s the post where he changed it, for your perusal.
“March 16th, 2011 at 4:11 pm
OK, I am putting “most that I’ve known”. Then discuss the topic.”Jay Reply:
March 17th, 2011 at 2:17 pmSo if most of, say Chinese he met treated him badly, he’s going to write “most Chinese are bad”? and that’s not generalization?
Unless he doesn’t specify anybody then yes and it wouldn’t mean jack squat as it would be pretty ambiguous in itself. Of course I can’t do anything about people who are oversensitive about it and exaggerate the ambiguity of that single statement further, which didn’t make the ENTIRE ARGUMENT! If you couldn’t comprehend that, I don’t know what do with your simplistic mind of take what is verbatim and have a backlash over it. It doesn’t matter how much you over analyze that statement about cretins since he didn’t do a great job in justifying why they deserved the label. And if they did, does an opinion damage the WHOLE institution? **** man, get it together.
Your assumption of me knowing the author real well is a horrible assumption and you should feel bad, since you now have made an ass out of yourself by doing so. If you can’t get over your compulsion over the inanely obvious and also read between the lines of what the author was trying to communicate, I don’t know how to approach what you are trying to argue about.
ProudMoocher Reply:
March 17th, 2011 at 3:44 pm“Unless he doesn’t specify anybody then yes and it wouldn’t mean jack squat as it would be pretty ambiguous in itself.”
The author even realized his own mistake and corrected it. But you still believe there’s nothing wrong with his original statement. Wow, your stupidity knows no bound. Can’t argue with that.Jay Reply:
March 17th, 2011 at 3:54 pmOf course there isn’t, unless you were offended like the many others whom he struck a chord with based visibly on how they voiced their frustrations. And were just as stupid enough to draw it out to strawman arguments. So the feeling is strangely mutual, though I don’t feel it justifies me one bit, considering I wasn’t gullible enough to take it all in.
- wrote on 15 March, 2011, 18:44
Very interesting Rafterman. I’d say a bit nonsensical, considering a certain someone offered a pragmatic solution that should be sufficient to both sides but I did like how it didn’t really break down as badly as I read down the responses. In terms of the big picture, the issue many people missed as your proof of having enemies means you are a rather important person to them, I do think the dole out mindset has been mis-used. Then again, if they are going to dole out, they might as well dole out services, such as setting up charter schools in the nation to give youths a chance at a real look at what high class education is about. Or public or town funded education that works in a similar capacity to show Dep Ed and Efren Penaflorida what you can do when you choose to be unpopular and seek to find solutions to a bigger issue than glorifying the inherently Pinoy. Or the formation of a nation and public owned sports institution such ones that Australia have, which takes potential citizens who can be national athletes and train them at a high level to represent the country in overseas competitions and hopefully someday as a nation, the Olympics.
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- wrote on 15 March, 2011, 20:06
OK, this just in from the Don Bosco Basketball solicitors. ABA, at may EXCLUSIVE TAILOR pa na prescribed ang Alumni Association… GABBY D! Time to do an audit? What is your solution here?
“From: Alumni Association of Don Bosco Makati
Subject: ACCOUNT NUMBER
To: Bosconians
Date: Tuesday, March 15, 2011, 10:45 AMBATCH REP AND CAPTAIN BALL:
Sa lahat ng gusto mag bayad ng quota, uniform and i.d. for 6th Don Bosco Makati Inter-batch Basketball Tournament. Puwede niyo deposit sa account ng chapter:
EAST WEST BANK DELA ROSA COR. PASONG TAMO BRANCH
CURRENT ACCOUNT NUMBER: 9602005231
ACCOUNT NAME: PAST PUPIL OF DON BOSCO TECH MAKATI CHAPTERPaki tabi lang po ang deposit slip or paki scan then pa email po sa akin.
REMINDER:
SI MR. MYLOH ALPUERTO LANG ANG AUTHORIZED GUMAWA NG UNIFORM FOR THIS YEAR TOURNAMENT. PAH HINDI SI MYLOH GUMAWA NG UNIFORM HINDI MKA PAG LARO SA TOURNAMENT AS APPROVED BY THE COMMITTEE AND BOARD. PLS. BE ADVICED.
THank you very much..”
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Jay Reply:
March 15th, 2011 at 8:18 pmI’d honestly ask why they have an exclusive tailor, if it meant that by giving you an honest answer that the chances of you putting some money to their cause will be higher. More than likely, they are saying who is doing the tailoring for accountability purposes.
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Hsing Tao Reply:
March 15th, 2011 at 8:28 pmAnd why does it have to be THAT tailor? What if there is one with a more competitive price that another team can employ? What if one team just chooses to wear plain black shirts and silk screen designs on their own? Kaduda duda talaga yan and only an idiot would not be leery of such an unethical imposition on grown adults.
The plot thickens…
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Lei Reply:
March 15th, 2011 at 10:20 pmwow, may exclusive tailor ah. Now I don’t know if it’s really for a noble cause but wrong choice of words or talagang this is just pure business
ulong pare Reply:
March 16th, 2011 at 10:14 amdaaang! don bosco is an exclusive elitist school…. it has a reputation to maintain… bosconian cannot and will not wear anything untailored uniform… it has to be made of pure high grade egyptian cottonette… divisoria uniforms are beyond their tastes…
hay naku, just for that, i will not play in your team…
BongV Reply:
March 16th, 2011 at 3:31 pmhome boy – hinihintay ka na sa tunga-an – The AP Tavern – NO CENSORSHIP – peks man.
bokyo Reply:
March 15th, 2011 at 11:52 pmRafterman, member ng BICC (Bosconian International Chamber of Commerce) yung “mananahi”. I think hindi siya yung mismong magtatahi, magooutsource pa ito ng isa pang mananahi. Ang tanong eh bakit kelangan sa kanya lang magpatahi ng uniform, nde ba pede kumuha yung ibang teams ng ibang mananahi?
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Rewind Reply:
March 16th, 2011 at 1:01 pm“OK, this just in from the Don Bosco Basketball solicitors. ABA, at may EXCLUSIVE TAILOR pa na prescribed ang Alumni Association… GABBY D! Time to do an audit? What is your solution here?”
Wow.. cheap shot Mr. rafterman… inuulan ka na kasi ng batikos, then nag put up ka ng ibang issue… yan ang nagagawa ng nakeke elam ng e-mail ng may e-mail… you don’t even know a damn thing abt the root of this e-mail and how it came abt… tsk.. tsk.. kapit ka na patalim bro just to save your post.. purely amateur.
rewind is having fun..
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- wrote on 16 March, 2011, 3:02
Jay Reply:March 15th, 2011 at 6:28 pm
@Mr. B
Well obviously Rafterman’s take isn’t exactly child-soluble and may need a guardian to explain certain concepts. But he covered his points well and in HIS PART, tried to turn it to an intelligent discussion regarding his main points. Sadly, the people against his didn’t want any part of it.
Besides, what the hell is wrong with berating other schools? Why would they be concerned about that compared to how THEY PERFORM in their OWN institutions? Or the other points you are making, you assuming that children know what is being talked about, hence they aren’t exactly engaging the discussion unless they are trolling like mad for the sake of their sad and butt hurt parent.
Besides, as the guy below me states, kids nowadays don’t have much passion for anything. This is a passionate discussion between 30+ something males regarding a solicitation that went bad! I definitely wish they get something out of it, especially if it is your child.Jay,
You’ve just proven the baseline standard for this site. You find rafterman’s points well covered?? Intelligent even??
So be it.
But hey, your standards, not mine.
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GabbyD Reply:
March 16th, 2011 at 3:18 amMr. B
i agree with this. my comments have even been deleted by an author here, even when i didnt violate the comment policy.
its sad. i expected more from the mods.
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rafterman Reply:
March 16th, 2011 at 6:20 amJust an FYI Gabby D, you are free to comment on my articles. I do not delete comments (unless they are commercial spam, pornographic or illegal). I am open to different views. I may get upset sometimes, but your views will stay in the rafterman articles.
People have different thresholds for what is “extremely vulgar” or not. For me, what I wrote does not reach the point of extreme vulgarity. I like to have my freedom to express myself and I support that of others too.
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Mr. B Reply:
March 16th, 2011 at 8:18 amrafterman,
Don’t worry much about being extremely vulgar. Your hasty generalizations are what make your article incapable of sensible discussion. Unless you’re saying “engaging, learning, and refreshing” exchanges need not be sensible. Speaks a lot about your so-called advocacy.
I’m a Bosconian and I will take personally any remark that equates me and my alma mater with anything despicable. Even those coming from a fellow Bosconian.
Unless and until you take back what you said about Don Bosco Makati and Bosconians for that matter, don’t expect anything sensible coming your way, notwithstanding the real issue you raised here.
rafterman Reply:
March 16th, 2011 at 8:39 amThen take things personally. I don’t think that’s my problem.
ulong pare Reply:
March 16th, 2011 at 9:41 am@mr b: you exhibited a typical flip attitude…. worst than the PMA mistahs…. the uniformed thugs are caught red-handed stealing the defense fund… they still stick together like flies to a sheeeet…. change naman naman namannnn
Jay Reply:
March 16th, 2011 at 4:01 pm@Mr. B
I’m a Bosconian and I will take personally any remark that equates me and my alma mater with anything despicable. Even those coming from a fellow Bosconian.
I’ll agree with ulong here. You set yourself up right there. If you want to make it personal, fine as neither anyone here in AP will make it personal against you but like I did, will take on your points. Though I apologize if I won’t set my standards down low for the sake of trying to be Pinoy centric. You yourself have the right to your own unhappiness and if you choose to be, then so be it. And such a touching example for the children about how adults behave, isn’t it?
BongV Reply:
March 16th, 2011 at 3:40 pmGabbyD:
AP does not sanction deletion of comments. However, each author has been given the leeway in how they moderate their threads.
AP will soon be launching “The Tavern” blog edition – where deleting of comments is a NO-NO.
You and I may have disagreement – but I will NEVER delete your comments because you disagree with my view – or because we are on different pages.
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GabbyD Reply:
March 16th, 2011 at 4:02 pmactually, not ONLY were my comments deleted (and therefore no one got to read my position — only ORIONS), my IP address was blocked! i have access to several wifi accounts, hence, i’m still here.
so this is an AntiPinoy issue, not just an orion issue.
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rafterman Reply:
March 16th, 2011 at 4:24 pmI don’t have control over the IP banning mechanism but if you find your way to post on my stuff it will stay.
BongV Reply:
March 16th, 2011 at 6:54 pmGabbyD -
Please let us know when this happened – which article – http://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=group_197459786940943#!/home.php?sk=group_197459786940943¬if_t=group_activity – go to the AP Tavern – there are no mods there – and definitely no IP ban
Jay Reply:
March 16th, 2011 at 3:48 pm@Mr. B
I don’t know if it ever occurred to you but if you read any articles outside of this, you will find AP certainly having intelligent discourse. Sadly though, like any mode of discourse, much like a democratic government, requires active attempts on both sides to make it work. If you actually looked past the obvious, you would see he had a point regarding the whole mooching concept of society, which was heavily sidetracked by the butt hurt posters. I don’t know what standards you speak of but this is how I approach this and stick to the subject at hand, as oppose to having it deviate to typical pinoy school pissing contest.
you still butt devastated over that? PRNT SCRN or it didn’t happen. Whine all you want about your supposed partial treatment.
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GabbyD Reply:
March 16th, 2011 at 4:07 pmprint screen ALL my comments just to prove to you that it happened?
di bale na lang.
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Jay Reply:
March 16th, 2011 at 5:46 pmIf you take time to prove and stick it to your tormenter, whom ever it may be, it would certainly help your case as opposed to acting like a basket case over it.
Its not frikin hard. I’m sorry if you are technologically inept but I can’t do anything about that. Common sense; if it happened once, see if it happens again and document it. And if its not such a big deal, why whine about it like you have for over a month now?
GabbyD Reply:
March 16th, 2011 at 5:58 pmhaha… there u go jay. very cynical indeed! dont worry. if u dont believe that my comments were deleted. i dont care. orion knows what he did. the other mods know too.
Jay Reply:
March 16th, 2011 at 6:39 pmI apologize again considering you seem to be looking for fellows who are convinced this happened to you yet venting frustration as to why. Cynical as I may be, I always subscribe to some street wisdom:
If you are going to act like a bitch, you’re going to be treated like a bitch
So for one, I feel for you. Yet at the same time, I don’t. So struggle with it for a bit.
GabbyD Reply:
March 16th, 2011 at 6:46 pm“I apologize again considering you seem to be looking for fellows who are convinced this happened to you yet venting frustration as to why. Cynical as I may be, I always subscribe to some street wisdom:”
hahaha… good ol’ street wisdom!
i didnt know you had to protect yourself in a blog with “STREET WISDOM”.
i thought following the comment policy is enough! i thought anti-pinoy would follow its own rules. ah! my mistake.
sige, anti-pinoy commenting rules + street wisdom it is! you are after all a self-confessed asshole. ah, but i have no proof you wrote that down on a comment once to describe yourself! its ok. as long as you know it, its all good.
Jay Reply:
March 16th, 2011 at 7:06 pmi didnt know you had to protect yourself in a blog with “STREET WISDOM”.
i thought following the comment policy is enough! i thought anti-pinoy would follow its own rules. ah! my mistake.Yeah, but Y U MAD THO?
Seriously. If you want a throw down, wear Joe’s pants and throw the biggest hissy fit regarding the injustice AP has over you. At least I’m damn honest with myself, moron. You 1/2 confessed that you are prone to side tracking topics with your inanity and psuedo-psycho babble.
GabbyD Reply:
March 16th, 2011 at 8:05 pmMAD? i’m not mad.
i’m stating facts. i guess bong is saying that the comment policy has changed.
fine. it shouldve been clear from the start.
- wrote on 16 March, 2011, 10:10
Nice to see fellow Bosconians having an intellectual orgy of some sorts here. LOL!
There were excellent points raised. But the writer’s call for “shock value” by sweeping statements was unnecessary. Yes I may look and sound like a cretin but I value more what fellow cretins like the writer had to say at the end of the day. And I’m not surprised, it was expected. Hooray for free speech!
OFF TOPIC:
Just so you know Mr. Tenerife (once was a P.E. Teacher in my time) is now the Principal of DBTI Makati. Shocking as it may seems as this incident was recent, the school fell for a text hoax about radiation from Japan’s Earthquake-prone Nuclear Power Plants coming to the Philippines. A nephew of mine went home early as the school opted to cut classes early. I guess the level of cretins has reached drastic proportions. I say turn your sights on those who mold the younger minds of our beloved school.BACK TO THE TOPIC
We all have choices. We can donate, we can refuse. They say charity begins at home, I say charity begins when mooching ends. But it never ends, it is a human trait for some to give out of their kind hearts as it is a trait to despise those who never learned to do so despite their accomplishments or tend to abuse it. Philanthropy is considered a luxury in these times.
I also agree that the idea for soliciting funds was a Filipino trait of Bayanihan. We tend to help out each other in times of need, not necessarily life or death, but a call to be a community. What I do despise and I can relate to the writer, is the thought of crucifying those who choose not to help out or pinching hearts to make a cause justified. But I refuse to side with the writer for not realizing that 30 year olds like their younger counterparts, DO NOT deserve to have FUN however they get their funding. Trivializing basketball funds is like trivializing why KAKA trains us to the point of NO RETURN when the whole point was training us to be Men. Yes, men who should look out for our fellow man. Regardless of the situation and the occasion.
This simple piece of RANT about choosing to donate funds turned into an Inquisition of some sorts about the Filipino Psyche. Yes there are moochers in our country as in other countries, but I don’t believe we monopolize it, nor incubate such a characteristic because the writer is the perfect anti-thesis to such a culture. Like calling out for the sake of panic, to a deadly disease to someone who just sneezed and became OC about the germs flying through the air by spraying Lysol and wearing a mask to avoid inhaling it and using a hand sanitizer to prevent it from touching you. No matter how hard you avoid it, it’s inevitable that you will encounter another one inflicted with it but surprisingly, you are immune. And then you move on to the next chapter of your life.
Basketball is not just for the glory deprived or the younger children, it is for those who believe that despite obstacles in life, may they be height, skill, or money, develops a humane society that relishes to embody esprit de corps. And if you’re not willing to share what you have for this cause then it is your right.
Don’t judge priorities of the marginalized, they are no different from the privileged who may have their own inadequacies of living in a world where inequality is a reality and they have to play deaf, dumb, and blind to the ills of humanity. Everyone has limitations. I suggest that introspection be limited to the one asking and to the one refusing, not to the entire institution which has produced enough cretins to plague this world with reason.
We’re just adding another telenovela here.
LONG LIVE KAKA!
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rafterman Reply:
March 16th, 2011 at 10:24 amALTAR BOY! Man, nice to see another NON BOZO Bosconian on board, my beloved brother from Crimson Company, welcome aboard. Generalization pa ba yun brod, tingnan mo naman ang ginawa ng Mr. Tenerife na yan naniwala sa Text. Is that the kind of teacher, nay PRINCIPAL (facepalm) worth the super expensive tuition? If you read the other replies (not here) about the topic, the more you will believe the cretin part. I used the word “most” naman so it means there are indeed some Bosconians are NON bozos. Those who are non bozo bosconians could figure that one out.
Brod, turo ni Kaka we have to carry our own weight and if we cannot, then we do not. Pati nga sapatos at pagkain natin simple living ang tinuro niya. Remember that? Bakit magbabasketball kung walang trabaho? That was one of the repeated “justifications” gave as to why donations are necessary.
LONG LIVE KAKA!
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ulong pare Reply:
March 16th, 2011 at 10:30 amdaaaaang! @KAKA: “I suggest that introspection be limited to the one asking and to the one refusing, not to the entire institution which has produced enough cretins to plague this world with reason…”
my question is: why does flipland produce so much cretins to plague this world with garbage ooooopsie “reason”?
i’ve traveled enough around the bend to meet ‘sang tambaks na cretins who do not contribute to flipland’s glory… in flipland alone, ‘sang tambaks na graduates, products of exclusive-elitist-parochial schools, who are literally CRETINS… actually, cretin is a rather kind term for a flip…
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Jay Reply:
March 16th, 2011 at 5:58 pmIs begging an old and unused skill? People beg but cant’ seem to get the right outcome. They beg for salvation, grace, love from unknown sources, and even their lives when someone holds it right before their eyes. Probably because people perceive begging as having no class and lack of dignity. When it fact, if exercised correctly, it is fully humbling AND dignifying.
semi failed pinoy values aside such as bayanihan or anyone’s open interpretation of it which can be deconstructed, if people see donation such as goodwill more than it is an active commitment, you will only results like these; distrust and suspicion between people that technically should work for simple and common goal. If they had asked peers such as rafterman correctly, went out of the way to involve him indirectly and financially, he may be more than welcome to agree with giving in money not only out goodwill, but knowing that his funds means an active participation in the event that is being formed with collective efforts of everyone who agreed to it. Real teamwork doesn’t discriminate, requires utmost transparency and unifies people and souls whom otherwise would still be sitting on different sides of the fence.
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- wrote on 16 March, 2011, 11:59
rafterman Reply:March 16th, 2011 at 8:39 am
Then take things personally. I don’t think that’s my problem.Talk about responsible writing. So you think you can never be held accountable for anything you write, huh. But then again, such is the nature of blogging. And there you are criticizing traits of the Filipino when you yourself exhibit a despicable one: not owning up to one’s impropriety.
Oh! Oh! Another Pinoy trait – Hypocricy!
“Pagtatanim” could be another. Any personal grudge? Like, were you beaten up by the Bakal Boys in high school? Or were you just the “weird one” of your batch that you think you can now eviscerate them in fiction – every pimple, every character flaw – and because you were naked for a day you will make them naked for eternity? But you’re no Chaucer, far from it.
Yes, I will take things personally and it’s not gonna be your problem, especially because I’m sure you have no plans ever of attending a DBTI homecoming in the future, where being declared a persona non grata will be the least of your problems.
Right, Chammy?
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Pop Reply:
March 16th, 2011 at 1:06 pmMr. B’s reply just ate itself. The author is responsible for everything he writes. But he is only liable only to the ACCURACY and TRUTHFULNESS of his stated facts. If he is wrong disprove it. If he is right then shut the F***up.
He does not necessarily need to be responsible on how people see his writings. That is your responsibility as the reader. Another Filipino backwards trait: Pasa ng Responsibilidad. Aren’t you mature enough to be responsible for your own views on this article? Ipapasa mo pa sa author? He is right. If you want to take it personally, then that is not his freaking problem.
But I want to thank you for proving that Don Bosco houses students who bullies other students, or students who discriminate “WEIRD” ones instead of providing a conducive environment for students to improve. Certainly I will not let my children study in this school.
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Mr. B Reply:
March 16th, 2011 at 1:32 pmA definite Pinoy trait: making sawsaw when he is not involved. Unless you’re rafterman’s alternick or lapdog.
If you know your Writing 101, you don’t just simply state something and pass it off as a fact without backing it up. From where I sit, rafterman hasn’t substantiated his remark that most of Don Bosco Makati’s products are cretins. Can you? Of course you cannot. You don’t even know DBTI’s population from past to present and even if you do, you cannot possibly know all of them personally to pass judgment.
Here’s a hint for you: trust me when I tell you that rafterman cannot even distinguish a bozo Bosconian from a non-bozo Bosconian. And that’s not counting his brother who he shamelessly labeled a non-bozo. Another Pinoy trait: love your own.
You must be hiding under a rock if you don’t know about schools and bullies.
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rafterman Reply:
March 16th, 2011 at 3:12 pmI just write from observation and it is an opinion. I say cretinous, you say uncretinous, it cancels each one out. It is up to the reader who encounters Bosconians what to think of them. If you act and talk like a bozo, they will think you are. If you don’t then they’ll think you’re not. It’s that simple.
Just so you know I go out with Buskos where I am. Just last Monday I was in a Wedding rehearsal of one of them and this Sunday I will be in his wedding. Whenever I show one of them the article eh naghahagalpakan ng tawa. If you are non cretin or non bozo Bosconian then don’t be offended. Just be sure of yourself and everything will be OK.
I got no personal grudge with any Busko, I just really think we overpaid and got shortchanged. Just look at the Principal now believe in a hoax text message. Not just a teacher bro, a PRINCIPAL… not exactly the kind of school that would produce geniuses eh? Marami sa atin mahuhusay but mostly through their own initiative.
Jay Reply:
March 16th, 2011 at 3:55 pm@Mr.B
Overnanalyzing, which for one isn’t monopolized by Pinoys is what you are exhibiting. Hypocrisy is the last thing that pinoys can monopolize however from how you retaliated, it seems you have made a mountain out of rafterman’s molehill, which is certainly and most DEFINITELY a pinoy thing and one you are guilty of at this point.
Besides, loving your own unconditionally isn’t something monopolized by pinoys either. Hilariously, pinoys don’t can’t even do it without church intervention.
bokyo Reply:
March 16th, 2011 at 10:02 pmHonga naman, mejo overpriced ang tuition fee ngayon sa Busko, pero I’m considering it worth it naman kung maayos ang turo nila, at kung hindi ako magloloko sa klase. Wala akong karapatan magreklamo kung nagbubulakbol ako (i.e. DOTA dito at doon, cut class, late magpasa ng documents, etc.). Pero I think sa case naman ng nagsisipag mag-aral yung mga nagcocomplain ng overpriced fees kasi di nasusulit binabayad nila
rafterman Reply:
March 16th, 2011 at 3:14 pmAsk Altar Boy, it was a happy High School life dahil member kami ng Cadet Corps. And what are you talking about? I was in what you call the “worst section” na gumagawa ng deadly weapons sa shop
. That has nothing to do with the article and what was observed that is cultural in nature.
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Mr. B Reply:
March 16th, 2011 at 3:55 pmThe operative word there is “most”. Your observation or opinion is based on your own little sampling of the Bosconians you’ve encountered. That’s not what “most” is by any definition, unless you qualified it with “that I’ve known” or something.
About the hoax, many other schools, including universities, believed in that text message. Get your story straight before concluding that another point has been won in favor of those thinking that DBTI produces mostly cretins.
Honestly, I could have taken your cultural observation in better perspective and engaged you intelligently had you not chosen to start off by lambasting your fellow alumni. Don’t blame me if I think personal grudge is what drove you to write what you wrote.
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rafterman Reply:
March 16th, 2011 at 4:04 pmPersonal grudge eh noong 2001 I organised a mini reunion for my batchmates. Lima kami sa Roxas hanggang alas kwatro ng umaga. Dito ako taga organise ng get together. Kapag may bumisitang Busko de sundo sila sa Airport at de hatid sa bahay / hotel. Dalawa kong batchmate dito ninog ako ng mga anak nila. Naman naman kasi marami lang talaga sa atin ang alam mo na. I don’t want to elaborate pero yun na yun. Nothing personal. It’s just sharing of opinions.
- wrote on 16 March, 2011, 14:59
Alright. Ayan Mr. B. May evidence na ng mga sinabi ko about the “quality” of true blue Bosconians. I don’t need to prove anything to you. They are doing all the work for me. Post pa kayo ng mga kuwentong ganyan para malaman ng madla kung ANO ang Bosconian. hahaha.
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Mr. B Reply:
March 16th, 2011 at 3:41 pmChammy, you poor sap, why are you venting your personal grudge on a site that supposedly supports noble advocacies?
You do need to prove something to me and your readers. That you are way better than this.
First off, why conclude that most of Don Bosco Makati’s products are cretins? I know math is not DBTI’s strongest suit, but do you know how to count for you to hastily equate “most” with a certain batch or two?
Do you know my batch? Do you know ALL the batches in DBTI to conclude most of them are cretins? Heck, do you even know what I know about you because one of those non-bozo Bosconians told me so? I do take your “cretin” remark very very personally and though I can take it to murkier levels I will choose not to. The chance is yours to rise to the occasion.
Take back your “cretin” remark and other DBTI generalizations. Confine it to Batch ’97 and ’93 if you want to. Show us once and for all that this article of yours is not a personal vendetta of some sort. Stick to the real issue – whether mooching is innate to Pinoys – but don’t ever, ever make us Bosconians na nananahimik dito as your distorted illustration of your cultural observation.
Show us, for chrissakes, that AP writers practice what they preach.
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rafterman Reply:
March 16th, 2011 at 3:50 pmIt’s an opinion bro. Most of those I encountered ganun ang opinion ko eh. In fact yung “most” na yun ay taga labas ng batch ko. They are in many different batches. If you believe otherwise, that’s cool. Opinion yan.
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Mr. B Reply:
March 16th, 2011 at 4:05 pmTry substituting “Bosconian” with a certain ethnicity and tell me if you wouldn’t sound racist.
Yang mga ganyang opinyon, bro, tinatago na lang yan, unless naghahanap ka talaga ng gulo. And let me remind you that you lambasted not only Bosconians but the school itself. Poor excuse of a school?? If you don’t take pride in your alma mater, at least be sensitive to those who do.
If you are really that opinionated, at least qualify your “most” to mean “most that I’ve known.” Hindi mo magawa because of pride? Masisira pagkalalake mo?? Hmm, another Pinoy trait.
rafterman Reply:
March 16th, 2011 at 4:11 pmOK, I am putting “most that I’ve known”. Then discuss the topic.
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Mr. B Reply:
March 16th, 2011 at 5:00 pmChammy,
You’ve just proven me wrong on many counts. I never expected you to do it and do it so soon. You deserve my admiration.
Now that that’s out of the way, let me share my two cents on the real issue at hand:
My batchmates, upon reading your article, began to do some serious thinking about whether soliciting for the inter-batch basketball league (yes, bro, we also solicit funds for our team) might be offending our other batchmates or at least having the same opinion as NB (the non-bozo in your article). Personally, I find nothing wrong in such practice, but then again as your article is implying, it is so deeply rooted na sa Pinoy that we think it’s just a normal thing to do.
I’d like to offer the opinion that mooching does not encompass everything that involves asking for money for something that doesn’t directly benefit the benefactor. It’s actually a judgment call on the one asking (what he needs money for), but the giver should be given the benefit of consideration, perhaps because of compassion, altruism, camaraderie, etc. as shaped by his creed, upbringing, and relationships with other people and institutions (like his beloved alma mater).
To change this trait of the Pinoy giver is to overhaul his religious beliefs, his innate bayanihan spirit, his definition of pakikisama. In the grander scheme of things, poverty alleviation and a higher appreciation of the value of hard work will be the keys to resolving the mooching trait of the Pinoy.
On the subject of the example given by the article, I don’t think soliciting for a basketball team’s necessities falls under mooching. It is supposed to be a batch effort, a batch activity that excludes no one. For the supposed “glory” and “pride” of the batch, some will lend their talent in the game of basketball, while the rest will pool the needed resources to build a competitive team. Others who cannot give monetarily can lend their support by watching the games and cheering for their team. May mangilan-ngilan who will lend their talent in coming up with the jersey design, and it extends to coming up with batch shirts, car stickers, even an outreach program to give to charity institutions. You will realize, rafterman, that I’m now talking about my batch here.
I know a mooching batchmate when I see one. As someone who tries to cure this ill in our society, I refuse to give him fish but teach him how to fish instead, so to speak. I’m in such a position given my occupation, and I hope this becomes my main contribution to my country.
PEACE
rafterman Reply:
March 16th, 2011 at 5:22 pmGood insights Mr. B.
Well, I have been the webmaster of a Busko website before (CAT) and because of that I am a member of almost all the Busko Yahoo Groups because when there is a CAT Officer reunion I do email blasts on them. I have observed that whenever questioned (yes, people do question them aside from me. In fact nagkatampuhan sa batch namin when a nurse from France(?) questioned kung para saan ang pera at naghingi ng detailed breakdown), the answer would be “paano yung mga walang trabaho” or “hindi naman sapat ang kita namin” or “yung pang inom kasi paano na”… So I took the common reason as those who do not have work or are underemployed want someone to pay for their recreation. I just found that odd. Isa pa, yung “exclusive tailoring” seems fishy. Kung para sa camaraderie bakit hindi payagan magpagawa o gumawa ng sariling uniform ang mga batch? Yun lang naman. I am glad that this article has created some ripples and despite the initial “shock” ay makita ang mga ibang laman nito and make sense of it. Peace.
rafterman Reply:
March 16th, 2011 at 5:36 pmSomething caught my attention from your post Mr. B. You said Da Pinoy has an “innate bayanihan spirit”. Consider this. Here in the US, after people eat at a fast food place, they take their trays and dispose of their food. Some even wipe the table with napkins as they go. They are not required to do it because the restaurant has busboys but it is done anyway. That is to HELP the restaurant staff. Sa Pinas, iiwan lang ang pinagkanan unmindful kung mahirapan ang tao sa dining area. Is that “innate bayanihan spirit” only existing in paintings of houses being carried of kamison wearing men? Bakit kaya sa pang araw araw wala yun? Sana meron din.
Jay Reply:
March 16th, 2011 at 6:09 pmIs Edsa bayanihan? Its a mob promoted by certain catholic individuals propping a fan favorite public figure for political transcendence. No different than even violent mob political takeovers.
Is Pinoys shows of indignation to adam carolla’s stale joke bayanihan? Its a bunch pinoys showing how gullible and stupid they are for eating up troll bait.
Is Pinoys rallying for OFWs who are strung up on international law bayanihan? Its just them rallying under the common idea that no pinoy even back home follows laws, thus extreme judgment from one scares the bejeezus out of them.
Is Pinoys standing up for supposed nationalism and blindly quoting rizal despite never having understood him fully is bayanihan? Just pinoys trying to save whatever dignity they have left after being ass pained from feeling insignificant in a society that repeats itself.
To change this trait of the Pinoy giver is to overhaul his religious beliefs, his innate bayanihan spirit, his definition of pakikisama. In the grander scheme of things, poverty alleviation and a higher appreciation of the value of hard work will be the keys to resolving the mooching trait of the Pinoy.
Teamwork is never correlated to religion, yet it works. In the grander scheme of things, bayanihan has never solved anything yet teamwork when properly executed has people learning the core values of what it takes to be a team player. Values that cannot be perverted by misinformation because otherwise, it cannot be teamwork then. Mooching can only be solved by taking the efficient road, one that actually nets results, which should naturally give those who contributed a sense of pride, confidence and accomplishment for their efforts.
Jay Reply:
March 16th, 2011 at 6:31 pmJust a last note, the people didn’t want to go after approving FOIA, which would help hold the congress accountable and transparent. Which as BongV has stated while back, it doesn’t just make certain people as whistleblowers, whom are apparently looked down due to their status of knowing vital info against the government for their bad inner workings, but makes EVERY CITIZEN a whistleblower. So tell me, kind Mr. B, where was the innate bayanihan spirit to put out one of the ultimate expressions of bayanihan.
Make as many blind cases as you want. Utimately teamwork is about yielding results.
- wrote on 16 March, 2011, 16:31
Jay Reply:March 16th, 2011 at 3:55 pm
@Mr.B
Overnanalyzing, which for one isn’t monopolized by Pinoys is what you are exhibiting. Hypocrisy is the last thing that pinoys can monopolize however from how you retaliated, it seems you have made a mountain out of rafterman’s molehill, which is certainly and most DEFINITELY a pinoy thing and one you are guilty of at this point.
Besides, loving your own unconditionally isn’t something monopolized by pinoys either. Hilariously, pinoys don’t can’t even do it without church intervention.Overanalyzing??? I haven’t even started analyzing yet! I just took rafterman’s Bosconian remarks at face value, didn’t even need to break them down to try to understand them any differently. They are what they are: offensive remarks directed against Don Bosco Makati and its products. Maybe you’re thinking of a different term pero “nasa dulo pa ng dila mo”. =)
Let’s not even go into Hypocrisy, let’s just say it’s definitely NOT the last thing Pinoys can monopolize, IMHO. Just look around you. I remember reading slum books in my days (yes, I am that old) and the common entry under “Dislikes” was “people who are plastic”.
Rafterman’s molehill isn’t a molehill given the genuineness of the offensive remarks. Now a “stupid” basketball league with batchmates soliciting, however way I look at it, is not a mountain.
Loving your own isn’t monopolized by Pinoys? Well I didn’t say it is, but is sure is a Pinoy trait. Mistah, frat brad, kababayan, etc. You name it, Pinoys do know how to make “kuyug”.
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Jay Reply:
March 16th, 2011 at 6:23 pmLoving your own isn’t monopolized by Pinoys? Well I didn’t say it is, but is sure is a Pinoy trait. Mistah, frat brad, kababayan, etc. You name it, Pinoys do know how to make “kuyug”.
How are those terms loving, more than it is endearing terms for fellows YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH? Yet Pinoys cannot physically or actively show their love for each other when they look at disdain at each other, despite the fact being from different islands. Your little example doesn’t justify what you believe in, more than it reinforces the status quo of what you feel is supposed to be a pinoy trait.
Regarding YOUR reaction to remark, it would be to your interpretation, which of course doesn’t make his argument as a whole. Hence why I said you made a mountain out of it and instead of attacking his central points, used those as a feature to try disprove him, genuine as YOU FEEL those remarks may be.
If you aren’t overanalyzing, why are you bringing up innate bayanihan spirit, among other different interpretations and values regarding the issue? I do agree you took everything for face value and like any pinoy sumugod agad bago pinagisipan muna ang situwasyon.
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Mr. B Reply:
March 17th, 2011 at 8:20 amHuh??
Give it up, dude. The author already retracted by qualifying his remark. No need to make sawsaw any further.
Besides, you argue like your avatar, except that babies are way more disarming.
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March 18th, 2011 at 10:54 amHahaha @Jay Hav u seen the light? Soplak ka nanaman!!! minsan isipin mu rin.. hindi ka laging TAMA!
Hahaha..
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Jay Reply:
March 18th, 2011 at 3:35 pmLOL I guess 20,000 stupid people can’t be wrong, eh? Sarap maging deluded no?
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March 18th, 2011 at 10:27 pmYeah, like what ur doing… u delusional a-hole!
Hahaha!
- wrote on 17 March, 2011, 0:37
“Try substituting “Bosconian” with a certain ethnicity and tell me if you wouldn’t sound racist.”
– - Rafterman has successfully proven he is a bigoted racist by generalizing that “Filipinos are Moochers”. Let’s give him the benefit of the doubt, for once – - wants to be a blogger who writes articles with “shock value” or a Rush Limbaugh wannabe? I wonder if he dare say, “Americans are Stupid”, etc???“ Here in the US, after people eat at a fast food place, they take their trays and dispose of their food. Some even wipe the table with napkins as they go. They are not required to do it because the restaurant has busboys but it is done anyway. That is to HELP the restaurant staff. Sa Pinas, iiwan lang ang pinagkanan unmindful kung mahirapan ang tao sa dining area. Is that “innate bayanihan spirit” only existing in paintings of houses being carried of kamison wearing men? Bakit kaya sa pang araw araw wala yun? Sana meron din.”
- – - You are comparing two different cultures. First of all, Fast Food restaurant chains are understaffed, if you notice — they only have key people in the kitchens and counters. One factor can be is that labor IS expensive here. California is around 8.25/hr??? Companies aren’t willing to pay that. UNFORTUNATELY, labor is really inexpensive back home, and having “help” is cultural norm, just like it is in Singapore, Hong Kong, Italy, etc. You’re comparing apples to oranges.
- – - You and your brother speak as though you have forgotten how life is in the Philippines. I know several migrants like you, who have lived her for more than 20 years, and yet they still speak fondly of the Philippines. Sure, they have their criticisms, but for most part, they respect that there are factors that are very different It’s hard to compare the lifestyle and culture of a developing country (such as the Philippines) to a lifestyle and culture of a developed nation (e.g U.S, Aus, etc). You cannot blame people for thinking you have deep seated resentment and personal vendettas behind your posts and opinions. MOST migrants who I’ve met who shamelessly bash, criticize and have turned their backs on the PI are/were “nobodies” or ”losers” or in your term, “bozos” back in the Philippines and they speak with so much resentment and pride because they want to prove and show off their new lives. Is it fair for me to include you in that generalization just like you have made a generalization about Filipinos and Bosconians?Anyway, you and your brothers opinions are clear manifestations of colonial mentality. What’s sad is, you do not even embody supposed American Values – - one that respects diversity and the myriad of cultures in its jurisdiction at the moment? What are you? Are you Filipino or American? Sadly, you are neither. You are just an asshole
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- wrote on 17 March, 2011, 3:04
and I bet the non-bozo was regarded as the A-hole in that exchange as can be expected from our society
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Jack Reply:
March 17th, 2011 at 3:53 amThe “Chum”, Non-Bozo was not considered an a-hold for expressing his opinion. He was regarded as an A-Hole for the ff: reasons:
1) He allowed a CLOSED class group discussion to be discussed in AP. Rafterman was very specific in mentioning the school and the class year of the people involved. The least they (they are siblings, I suppose) could have done was to write about it in AP w/o providing details. As a background – - the group was created to re-connect high school friends; An avenue for the gentlemen to be dorks, “bozos”, and be boys even if just online. The group was meant primarily to share class get-togethers (e.g inter-batch basketball tournaments, tambays, etc), and not as a venue showcase their successes, etc.
2) He was rather condescending towards majority of his classmates. He failed to look at the situation from different standpoints, instead he was seemingly imposing his beliefs of everyone. As we all say about religion: You can stand firm on your beliefs, but you don’t impose these beliefs on others. Don’t force Protestants to pray the Rosary and call them “of the devils” if they refuse to. Don’t call Catholics demonic if they don’t believe in Erano Manalo. Non-Bozo’s “beliefs” are not unfounded and are in fact true – -but such philosophy is not applicable to this class’ basketball tournament.
3) He denied having knowledge about the article and was in fact “surprised” to hear about the link. DUH. Upon further investigation, people found out that Non-Bozo and and Rafterman are related. I don’t know whats more insulting – - him leaking the discussion to his sibling or him being “surprised” to hear about the article.
Of course, you will all say “you are attacking him personally”. But what he did was personal to a lot of these gentlemen.
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- wrote on 17 March, 2011, 6:07
rafterman Reply:March 16th, 2011 at 5:36 pm
Something caught my attention from your post Mr. B. You said Da Pinoy has an “innate bayanihan spirit”. Consider this. Here in the US, after people eat at a fast food place, they take their trays and dispose of their food. Some even wipe the table with napkins as they go. They are not required to do it because the restaurant has busboys but it is done anyway. That is to HELP the restaurant staff. Sa Pinas, iiwan lang ang pinagkanan unmindful kung mahirapan ang tao sa dining area. Is that “innate bayanihan spirit” only existing in paintings of houses being carried of kamison wearing men? Bakit kaya sa pang araw araw wala yun? Sana meron din.For the sake of ensuring we are on the same page here, I define Bayanihan as “selfless giving” or helping people without expecting anything in return. The image of the camison-wearing men carrying a whole house to help transfer it to another location is Bayanihan not because of teamwork but rather because it was borne out of volunteerism.
I believe disposing of one’s leftovers in a fastfood restaurant, while unmistakably voluntary, can be more accurately described as Civic Consciousness, or being aware of one’s community and understanding his role in it. Unfortunately, as you pointed out, Filipinos here are not that civic conscious and thus tend to neglect their surroundings. Trash everywhere in the metropolis is proof of this. I’m not even sure if cardboard signs like “Tapat Mo Linis Mo” actually work, but we know for a fact that a “Bawal Umihi Dito” sign is actually treated hereabouts as a screaming invitation to do exactly what you’re being told not to do.
Bayanihan spirit – if I need to give an example to clarify my position – was there after Ondoy, when people from all walks of life volunteered to donate or distribute relief goods. Bayanihan spirit – if it should be given a universal name – is Altruism. Bayanihan spirit – if I need to put it in a religious context – is The Good Samaritan.
Now, do Pinoys have an innate Bayanihan spirit? I would think so. The problem is, and this may be due to the fact that Pinoys are matiisin, such Bayanihan spirit becomes manifest only when situations reach extreme, critical levels. Neighborhood fire? Check! State of calamity? Check! Need to overthrow a despot? Check! But in ordinary circumstances, Pinoys do not think long term. Pataasin muna ang basura hanggang magka-landslide. Kalbuhin muna nang todo ang bundok at gubat hanggang bahain. And so forth. That’s where civic consciousness, or disposing one’s leftovers in a fastfood restaurant, comes in.
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Mr. B Reply:
March 17th, 2011 at 10:20 amLest I be accused of kinkiness, it should’ve been “camisa-wearing men…”. :D
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Jay Reply:
March 17th, 2011 at 2:37 pmAnd you are implying that all these activities are exclusive only to the Philippines? First off, the bayanihan image you summoned about the carrying of homes seems something that exists in a tight knit rural community in which survival depends on cooperation, a value of teamwork, more so than the desire to help out of goodwill. Survival is a way of life for everyone and if it meant doing that, its better than turning your back on them.
Similar with Ondoy. In ORDER for everyone to rebuild and clean up, of COURSE you needed to pitch in, regardless if you have a modus operandi regarding your actions or not. Its not bayanihan more than it is a natural disaster showing humanity how it can level a playing field because even the affluent and the destitute were affected, especially those who were not prepared or lived in flood prone areas. And if nobody helped each other, you wouldn’t be able to get back to how life was before the disaster.
Your poor attempts to sugarcoat bayanihan with age old traditional adage which is but a small component to the big, pragmatic picture is weak. There wouldn’t be a need for such a poor, double edged pinoy-centric quality if they understood the more universal concepts that everyone in the world exercises and nets results over it.
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- wrote on 17 March, 2011, 9:53
Jay wrote:
[b][i](Is begging an old and unused skill? People beg but cant’ seem to get the right outcome. They beg for salvation, grace, love from unknown sources, and even their lives when someone holds it right before their eyes. Probably because people perceive begging as having no class and lack of dignity. When it fact, if exercised correctly, it is fully humbling AND dignifying.)[/i][/b]> Yes begging is truly humbling. Probably the reason why they justify such means to get funding through sharing stories of other batch mates not having the resources to contribute simply because they have no means whatsoever. However you describe it, it just means they want to play. And please don’t misconstrue their intentions for mooching because mooching involves a long-term goal of zapping you of your own resources. It is a means to an end as they say. Intentions are questionable when there was no basketball game to begin with. Probably just a drinking binge but I doubt that since you can easily get a bottle of cheap beer or gin in your neighborhood sari-sari store. Perceptions can lead you to a mirage if you fail to see the obvious signs.
[b][i](semi failed pinoy values aside such as bayanihan or anyone’s open interpretation of it which can be deconstructed, if people see donation such as goodwill more than it is an active commitment, you will only results like these; distrust and suspicion between people that technically should work for simple and common goal. If they had asked peers such as rafterman correctly, went out of the way to involve him indirectly and financially, he may be more than welcome to agree with giving in money not only out goodwill, but knowing that his funds means an active participation in the event that is being formed with collective efforts of everyone who agreed to it. Real teamwork doesn’t discriminate, requires utmost transparency and unifies people and souls whom otherwise would still be sitting on different sides of the fence.)[/i][/b]
Rafterman has every right to ask for the intentions of funds used. But how it was justified left him begging for more answers as to why he must contribute, which should have been left at that query. Again we go back to the trivialization and over-analyzing such an endeavor. There’s no other way to put it you see, if you choose not to donate then it’s your preference. It gets complicated when you impose, which I believe wasn’t the case. If you got pinched in the heart in the wrong way then you keep it to yourself and avoid the rant that can produce ripples of resentment towards a group with a bad culture. The more you think about the culture, the sooner you dis-associate yourself from the practice and you tend to categorize people or an institution for tolerating it. And when comparisons start flying, throwing caution to the wind happens. Apples to Oranges, Strawman Arguments, and Fallacies begin.
It doesn’t have to be that way, you can cite the wrong things without the need to lump everyone in one line. It’s hasty generalization at it’s worst form. I know this for a fact because I deal with a lot of armchair analysts, keyboard warriors, and TROLLS. It helps to take a step back and discern what is essentially a good read from a bad review of the situation. Any incident that is private in nature should stay as it is. Because you might be opening the wrong can of worms. Nay, a can of good sardines perhaps.
Take for example this brand new YOUTUBE sensation of a blonde in UCLA lumping Asians. Some say it’s a comedy meant to give you the license to make racist jokes, or was it an honest account of Asian Culture being profiled? If it’s tasteless to some, it might be tasteful for others. Meaning, they’re not affected at all and above such a parody or a tirade. Well, it was good publicity nonetheless. How long it will last is up to the zealous defenders from both sides. I usually humor myself right now with EPIC RAP BATTLES of HISTORY too. It’s hilarious and light-hearted for me. I shared it with my friends in Facebook and it’s not exactly for general consumption. But I can relate to what rafter was trying to say from the very beginning of his piece.
Another Filipino trait that most of us overlooked right now is that we can laugh at ourselves at times of trouble or tragedy. The irony of basketball funding for cretins took us to another level of profiling. And not everyone is laughing. I would suggest that we avoid hurting the innocent because like the ones who are left here in our country, exceptions to the rule exist to defend whatever is left of our good values. Not everyone is a sell-out or a bozo. Jesus even socialized with bozos of His time, why can’t we? Filipinos are the best Globe-Trotters in the world, we are also our own worst enemy. Learn to unlearn people.
Time to end my time with this telenovela. I leave it to the rest here to understand that COMPASSION and BROTHERHOOD is alive in our school not for the sake of mooching but to revive values that we lost as we grew old and our priorities got complicated. Let the Boys be Boys again, and don’t be a party-pooper.
LONG LIVE KAKA!
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Jay Reply:
March 17th, 2011 at 2:41 pmWell it is true that using the mis-communicated solicitation to carry over to a mooching society in the Philippines is rather weak since both issues aren’t highly related to each other. And the miscommunication ended up being a clash of cultures in a sense.
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- wrote on 18 March, 2011, 4:53
rafterman Reply:March 16th, 2011 at 5:22 pm
Good insights Mr. B.
Well, I have been the webmaster of a Busko website before (CAT) and because of that I am a member of almost all the Busko Yahoo Groups because when there is a CAT Officer reunion I do email blasts on them. I have observed that whenever questioned (yes, people do question them aside from me. In fact nagkatampuhan sa batch namin when a nurse from France(?) questioned kung para saan ang pera at naghingi ng detailed breakdown), the answer would be “paano yung mga walang trabaho” or “hindi naman sapat ang kita namin” or “yung pang inom kasi paano na”… So I took the common reason as those who do not have work or are underemployed want someone to pay for their recreation. I just found that odd. Isa pa, yung “exclusive tailoring” seems fishy. Kung para sa camaraderie bakit hindi payagan magpagawa o gumawa ng sariling uniform ang mga batch? Yun lang naman. I am glad that this article has created some ripples and despite the initial “shock” ay makita ang mga ibang laman nito and make sense of it. Peace.Indeed there were some opinions that were passed off as justifications for soliciting funds for the subject basketball league. Lumalabas tuloy people were being asked to pay for other people’s recreation.
First off – and I say this mindful of the dynamics in a typical inter-batch basketball tournament – it’s not merely recreation. Funds are being solicited so a competitive team can be formed.
Secondly, taking at face value such remarks as “others are jobless,” “additional gas expenses”, etc. would really irritate some people that they would then hastily conclude that it’s mooching. As you yourself reason out in so many words, why play when you cannot pay? You’ll find that odd indeed. But again, if you take the word “recreation” out of the equation and instead consider the competitive nature of an inter-batch basketball league, where “pride” and “glory” are at stake, it would have been easier to deduce that maybe, just maybe, your batch’s best players, those who can bring home the bacon so to speak, are not that well off to participate. These kinds of situations are replicated every day and not only in basketball. If we will go by the article’s logic, then every pro player in the world is a moocher! Every LeBron, every Beckham, every Pacquiao. The irony of it all is, basketball players at the inter-batch level – your own batchmates – are not even asking to be paid salaries. They just want to play for the glory of the batch. And just because they cannot afford to pay for their commute or to clothe themselves with basketball jerseys or to rehydrate themselves after a game they are called moochers?
Lastly, I don’t find “exclusive tailoring” fishy as much as I find making it an issue as nitpicking. Organizations usually do exclusivity deals like this for efficiency and to ensure compliance by all participants. A better alternative to complaining is to be an active alumnus and take part in the organizing of activities like this. Ask your batch rep if there was an agreement among batches to hire an exclusive tailor, if supplier selection underwent bidding, and what concessions and/or benefits does the organization derive from it.
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rafterman Reply:
March 18th, 2011 at 3:43 pmThanks for explaining Mr. B. I beg to disagree though. Lebron, Pac Man, Kobe etc are professional players. People pay value for value. We willingly give them money so we can see their awesome moves on TV. Hindi sila sabi ng sabi sa atin na bigyan sila ng pera para makalaro naman sila dahil wala silang pambili ng uniporme, pambayad ng quota or pang inom+pulutan. Kumbaga kung arkitekto ka, binabayaran ka para gawin ang trabaho mo. Hindi ka binibigyan ng pera para gumawa ng bahay na hindi mo kailangan dahil gusto mo lang. That’s my view.
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Jay Reply:
March 18th, 2011 at 4:02 pmThere is a league for the sport that generates money. Lebron, Paquiao and Beckham are paid by owners or groups, but are also supplied income by sponsorships and they do what they do best in life. There is a contract between the owners and the athletes in which they are paid for their services though Pacquiao’s case is a tad bit different. Nothing related to the grand delusions of glory and pride. The basketball league is nothing more than a weekend warriors game by a group of alums and if they want like a baranggay league of sorts, fine. They however shouldn’t justify if someone like rafterman complains regarding how certain expenses are handled for the supposed good cause of epic fitness, epic glory and pride. Especially if the DBTI alum who feel more just about their glorious event want to show that this is a good cause, not just justified by ball scratching pro-pinoy logic. Whats the use of overrating your little Fight Club like shindig anyway?
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Mr. B Reply:
March 18th, 2011 at 8:15 pmrafterman, you entirely and terribly missed the point of my analogy. Nonetheless, you’ve inadvertently proven my point. If people pay value for value, then what your brother’s batch is soliciting for the inter-batch tournament is chump change compared to the glory his batch could attain if it can field in its best players. And here’s the rub: I can never expect you to have this sense of pride because it was not your batch you were talking about in the first place. Nakisawsaw ka din lang sa batch ng utol mo.
Now, if you feel the same way about your own batch as I suspect you do, you must’ve really been the “weird one”.
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- wrote on 18 March, 2011, 15:51
These kinds of situations are replicated every day and not only in basketball. If we will go by the article’s logic, then every pro player in the world is a moocher! Every LeBron, every Beckham, every Pacquiao.
It would make sense if representatives of these athletes go ask for money to have them play for the glory of the sport they excel in. But they don’t. There is a thing called SPONSORSHIP which you and another guy above who did the same analogy can’t seem to correlate and its when someone or a group WILLINGLY pays for your expenses to enter a competitive event, but of course acknowledging that said party is the reason why you are in the event. The solicitation acts more like a donation drive to make the event happened and to answer for the needed expenses this game or the potential league will have. As deluded as you are with “pride” and “glory”, as been your sugar coating of other terms, you are trying to justify to everyone the fund a fun afternoon basketball match with former DBTI alumni. Plain and simple, and totally nothing EPIC about it. I fooled around with a triple double with some guys in long beach with some guys from the hood two weeks ago but you don’t read about my exploits and my clamoring to be sponsored by AND1 so I can take my competitiveness to new heights.
And the sawsaw you make mention of, remember where you are hombre. If you want an A and B conversation, C yourself to Facebook with rafterman. Otherwise, its fair game if I can tool on your opinions.
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- wrote on 20 March, 2011, 2:02
Check this link out.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=D8W&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&q=+site:answers.yahoo.com+basketball+solicitationIf you google “basketball solicitation” on Yahoo Answers most of those asking questions on how to solicit come from the PH domain and those that don’t are likely Pinoys because they commit the same grammatical errors Pinoys are known for. Check out the smart ass answers too. Too funny.
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Rewind Reply:
March 20th, 2011 at 11:10 amu racist piece of shiiiiiit… hahaha..
I now declare this post officially DEAD!
rewind is now signing off…
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Okay, so what’s up with all these people? Have they relinquished their volition to the OFWs? Those who are in the country, run the country, don’t f****** slack off!
And also, don’t play if you can’t pay for it.
Peace.
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rafterman Reply:
March 13th, 2011 at 7:26 am
That’s correct Cy. We need more people like you. I know that most OFWs do not even have time to play and yet these unemployed slackers in Da Pinas want to waste their time, energy and OTHER PEOPLE’s money by playing basketball. I don’t get it. Did God forget to give logic to Da Pinoy when he created him?
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JON Reply:
March 13th, 2011 at 7:51 am
hey author you got it all wrong…..parang di kayo mga pinoy…..obviously you dont knw the meaning of solicitation…hindi kaba nag basketball? naglaro? nagsolicit?….maybe some of the reasons are wrong but the thing here is ……we are just asking if you can guys help if not thats fine simple as that….you dont have to make things complicated and make an issue out of it….ganyan kayon mga nasa ibang bansa feeling nyo mataas na ihi nyo…….kung ganyan kayo magisip ….talagang sayang mga pera ng magulang nyo…
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Hsing Tao Reply:
March 13th, 2011 at 8:05 am
Soliciting for something that is recreational? There is something wrong with your culture if that is the case. Why run around and have fun if you don’t have a job? Kaya maraming nagkakandautang utang makapag handa lang sa Piesta or sa party dahil sa kabuktutang yan. Puro saya, saya, saya. Wala na ngang trabaho pa basket basketball pa. Leche, Pinoy ka nga.
Cy Reply:
March 13th, 2011 at 8:38 am
@JON
One word – PRIORITY.
BenK Reply:
March 13th, 2011 at 9:30 am
“We are just asking if you guys can help.”
Do you NEED to play basketball? Will you or your dependents suffer some harm or other disadvantage if you do not play basketball?
Okay, so probably not — you did specify “if you can”, which implies you at least don’t expect someone else to cause themselves a hardship to support your basketball jones. That’s mighty white of you. In that case, what value do you offer the contributor to make him choose the option of giving to your basketball requirements as opposed to any other option to spend his money on?
The concept of “dignity” is entirely lost on you people, isn’t it? >:(
ChinoF Reply:
March 13th, 2011 at 12:23 pm
“talagang sayang mga pera ng magulang nyo…”
Sa mga taong ayaw magtrabaho at puro goodtime lang ang gusto, sayang talaga ang pera. Basketball is goodtime, it is not sacrifice or work. That should be known to people who have their values straight.
rafterman Reply:
March 13th, 2011 at 12:25 pm
BenK is absolutely correct! I went to school here in the US and I could never imagine asking a fellow alumnus for money to go kayaking or snowboarding. That would be just so loserly! I am just highlighting what’s wrong with the culture that you people would do anything (EVEN BEG ala Wowowee) just to pursue your fun loving ways.
Cy is right. PRIORITIES. If unemployed or not earning enough, why waste time playing basketball and having OTHER PEOPLE who ARE WORKING pay for it? It’s just stupid.
rafterman Reply:
March 13th, 2011 at 12:26 pm
Correct Chino F! Naman naman namaaaan JON. Huwag ka naman gung-gong.
Rewind Reply:
March 14th, 2011 at 1:52 am
Sorry guys I strongly dis-aree, i think the writer does’nt know anything about sports or teamwork for that matter.. for us players, basketball is our passion, we play for the LOVE of the game, for the team (Batch), HEALTH and camaraderie… (in that order)… soliciting is already a tradition in basketball since we were young, maybe because people does’nt have an initiative to support these kind of activities.. what I knew , in other countries and here in PH the Alumni(those who are fortunate, ung sobra2 ang pera) voluntarily supports their collegiate teams and activities of their fellow batchmates.. those solicitation letters or request we are receiving is just a part of an excitement in putting up a ball club, we can always say no, like most of the big business are doing, wag lang tayong dead-ma kung ayaw natin mag bigay, hindi nman masama mag sabi ng No, we understand, wag lang walang reply o kya bka nga mawala pa sa FB o yahoo group para makaiwas lang.. haha.. and for the writer, ang dami2ng pwede tirahin ito pa, probably wala ka nang ibang masulat… ur sacrificing the health of these players for your own personal interest.. hehe
Chorvaqueen Reply:
March 14th, 2011 at 3:12 am
Masarap ba matulog sa pansitan?
Mas gusto namin ang trabaho kesa saya.
Oh sige iyak pa.
Rewind Reply:
March 14th, 2011 at 4:39 am
Huhuhu… hahaha!!
Masarap ba atakihin sa puso? Ge mag trabaho ka palagi, baka atekihin ka sa puso.. haha.. lighten up, play basketball para lumakas cardio mo. Blog ka ng blog dyn e, mag exercise ka muna. Den tell us, kung anu mas importante sau money or health.. think about it.
savio friend Reply:
March 15th, 2011 at 1:57 am
If you cant give, just shut up! your money is all yours!
Bay Area Bitch Reply:
March 13th, 2011 at 8:08 pm
Uhm, if mooching is uniquely Filipino, then why are the Streets of San Francisco full of beggars carrying signs “I need money for beer/weed”?!?! Why are people taking advantage of the Social Security System in the U.S – - and take note, not all of them are Pinoys? It’s a personal trait you can’t pin down on one nationality or culture. For you to generalize that only Filipinos are guilty of mooching and begging, then honey, for someone who lives and works in the United States – - look around!!!!
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Hsing Tao Reply:
March 13th, 2011 at 9:02 pm
So if the Americans screw their dobermans you will do it too? Since when havw the Americans been the golden standard? Maybe for you but not me. If you tolerate your moochers that’s your problem. I do not want to tolerate ones around me.
Bay Area Bitch Reply:
March 13th, 2011 at 9:27 pm
Did I say the Americans were doing the right thing, Hsing Tao??? No I didn’t. Read again. What I’m trying to point out is, moochers are everywhere, not the just the Philippines.
Hsing Tao Reply:
March 13th, 2011 at 9:43 pm
So if someone steals something in The Philippines let us not correct that. There are thieves in America too anyway. Logic please.
Chorvaqueen Reply:
March 14th, 2011 at 3:15 am
@Bay Area Bitch
“Did I say the Americans were doing the right thing, Hsing Tao??? No I didn’t. Read again. What I’m trying to point out is, moochers are everywhere, not the just the Philippines. “
So what? Just because there are other moochers elsewhere doesn’t mean we don’t need to do anything? Hahaha pathetic.
Jay Reply:
March 15th, 2011 at 4:51 pm
@Bay Area Broad
While you cite a generous view of the a certain populace doing passive things to get what they need, you forgot those in America who have a more forward attitude about making people part ways with their money, or goods. I admire them at least despite being a bit criminal about it because they are willing to do what it takes, and even face the consequences that come with it.
When I was in the Philippines, how many weeks did I get a family of musmusins that tell me that their house burned down and need food and clothes. Only for the same group to come back A WEEK AFTER to tell me the same thing. So I should be considerate because either they are completely careless around fire or that they are absolute horrible liars. Or both? The Philippines are full of saps who do what it takes but then when crap hits the fan, they can’t face the consequences and request piety from everyone and pull the typical move of playing the victim card.
Jay Reply:
March 15th, 2011 at 4:45 pm
@Rewind
For Health? You are defending the solicitor who is sounding off like some flaming uppity Union leader about sport safety and welfare and the needs for finances to cover that on a CASUAL LEAGUE of APEHOOP? If they can’t do it without money, what makes you think they can do a better job WITH IT? And if you stick to the old ‘traditions’ argument you are making, it isn’t helping considering it can be done an arranged, especially if PRIORITIES matter.
@Savio Friend
BAAAAAWWWWWW I can’t sell a voluntary service so I’ll make the people who have the money look like evil selfish bastards.
Have a bit of street smarts bro. The country isn’t as poor as it is, especially if everyone knew how to con off from fat cats and put the money where it wouldn’t be a needless issue for a Weekend interscholastic basketball.
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Rewind Reply:
March 16th, 2011 at 11:11 am
Iyak pa bro!!
hahaha
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Isa pa, bakit ang hilig hilig nga mga Pinoy sa basketball gayung wala namang katsansa tsansa magka olympic medal ang Pilipinas sa larong yan? Mga gung gong talaga ang mga Pinoy oo…
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Rewind Reply:
March 14th, 2011 at 2:17 am
Olympic medal lang ba habol mo? You’re not opening your’re mind for some other reasons bro, these player are also thinking about their health thats why they’re are playing.. kw anu ginagawa mo, mag blog ng mag blog… bka atakehin ka sa puso nyn.. mag exercise ka paminsan minsan.. hahahaha… gung-gung ka rin.
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Artemio Reply:
March 14th, 2011 at 4:22 pm
Pare, hindi lang basketball ang uri ng exercise. How about community service? Puwede naman mag-exercise na hindi nanlilimos sa batchmates ng pera. Mas magandang exercise yun meron pambili ng makakakain. Lumakas nga katawan mo, pero kung palamunin ka naman ng iba, sunog naman kaluluwa mo at lalong bababa ang uri ng pagka-tao mo.
Pag walang trabaho, tumulong ka sa mga nakapaligid sa’yo (basta sa mabuting gawain lang). Malay mo, sa “exposure” at sipag mo, baka magustuhan ka ng ibang tao at bigyan ka pa ng magandang trabaho. (“Kung ayaw, meron dahilan; Kung gusto meron paraan.” -Gordon)
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Rewind Reply:
March 15th, 2011 at 10:12 am
Iyak Pa!!!
Yan ang mahirap sa inyo, you always believe the Author, i respect ur opinion.. nobody is perfect, sad thing about it ayaw aminin ng author, just read the thread umuulan ng batikos.. haha.. kulang na lng mag public apology.. hehe
Jay Reply:
March 15th, 2011 at 4:55 pm
@Rewind
wow as if basketbol lamang ang tamang paraan mag ehercisyo. Dahil ba yun ang ofisyal sports na popular? Eh yung mga ibang bata sa south america o sa france, nag futbol na paa lang sa kalsada. Di naman sila nag dedemanda sa iyo ng sapatos ng official na bola o pekeng nikes para maka sipa ng maayos. Sa bagay nga, sa kulang ng parks sa manila at pilipinas, hindi man makita ng mga tulad mo na maraming paraan na pwede mag ehercisyo na di kelangan humingi ng pera para makabili ng equipment, inumin at pulutan pagkatapos, diba?
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Rewind Reply:
March 16th, 2011 at 10:32 am
Hindi rin.. kw lang me sabi nyn.. dami ko nga laro e, futbol, swimming, ping-pong..badminton… basta nakakapawis ok lng.. wag lang lagi sa computer at mag blog ng mag blog.. hehehe
Iyak pa pre!!!
Jay Reply:
March 16th, 2011 at 4:08 pm
hahaahah swimming, ping-ping badminton? basta nakakapawis? typical pinoy talaga oh. Yun kung bakit kulang ka sa teamwork mentality dahil kulang ang team sports mo. Futbol, rugby, american football, baseball, lacrosse, crew ay mas demanding sa katawan at committment sa sarili. You jelly?
I find it ironic that Filipinos are obsessed with a game where height is an important asset when most of them are short, it feels like another case of colonial mentality. I dont get it why Filipino men use basketball as basis for their masculinity as well.
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72 V10 Reply:
March 14th, 2011 at 5:39 am
BV talaga ang machismo ng mga Pinoy.
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Smackdown Reply:
March 14th, 2011 at 12:05 pm
Galing talaga ng Pinas. Sobrang napapaka-Kano. Nangangarap maging Jordan kahit mga unano. Hahahahaha!
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Proper perspective my friend. Nagagalit ka sa maling values. nakakasakit naman ng mata ang maling generalization mo. Unang-una di lang pinas ang ganyan. Lahat meron, lahat me Bad apples, lahat may nangingikel.
From what I understand, nobody is forcing you to give. Kung ayaw mo, madali naman itikom ang bibig at ituloy ang pamumuhay. You need to go out and understand the social mechanics of people. You can rely on your clear cut values to achieve big and hit it. But to maintain it and go up higher, you need to understand the politics of life. Relax. Ika nga nila, WALANG BASAGAN NG TRIP. Proper perspective lang. There is another article in this anti-pinoy site about pinoys being rude. So what? Have you been to France? The french are more rude. Di ka na actually lalayo, sa hongkong lang naninigaw mga tindero pag tumingin ka ng merchandise at di mo binili. proper perspective. relax.
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blueredicedtea Reply:
March 13th, 2011 at 11:25 am
and what proper perspective are you talking about? polishing turds?
“There is another article in this anti-pinoy site about pinoys being rude. So what? Have you been to France? The french are more rude. Di ka na actually lalayo, sa hongkong lang naninigaw mga tindero pag tumingin ka ng merchandise at di mo binili. proper perspective. relax.”
so what? ok then.
because just like in this article this IS A TRIUMPHANT EXAMPLE of how not to follow these people.
generally people from all countries can be rude, does that mean that we follow their rudeness?
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rafterman Reply:
March 13th, 2011 at 12:30 pm
Look at BenK’s comment. He is right in saying the concept of DIGNITY is lost in Da Pinoy. Begging so you can have money for fun? Outside the dysfunctional hellhole called The Philippines, those types are considered LOSERS.
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Ryan Reply:
March 13th, 2011 at 3:20 pm
“Unang-una di lang pinas ang ganyan”
Response: What I hate about Filipinos is their sensitivity for the wrong reasons. Whenever the microscope is focused on the Philippines, the typical reply of a Filipino is to turn the lens elsewhere and say, “O, sa ibang bansa ganyan din!” I DONT GIVE A FLYING PHUCK ABOUT OTHER COUNTRIES’ MISERIES, I WANT TO FOCUS ON OUR OWN LACK OF PRIORITIES IN THE PHILIPPINES!
“You need to go out and understand the social mechanics of people…you need to understand the politics of life.”
Response: You need to get out of the Philippines to understand that our country is enveloped in an idiotic cocoon with delusional pride and lack of priorities. In case you are not in the Philippines, then good for you. Stop watching melo-dramatic telenovelas on TFC just so you feel like you’re in the Philippines. Adapt the good ways of a country and take it back home to the Philippines.
“Have you been to France? The french are more rude. Di ka na actually lalayo, sa hongkong lang naninigaw mga tindero pag tumingin ka ng merchandise at di mo binili. proper perspective. relax.”
Yes, I myself have been to France quite a few times. (And I am not mentioning this to show off which most typical Filipinos will consider as such. I am able to go to France through my own hard work and sweat as a Tourist, not as an asss-wiper.) You are absolutely wrong. The French that I have encountered were not rude. They were helpful and hospitable towards me and my family. Maybe because we tried speaking in French and showed humility and wordliness at the same time. So your comment about the French being more rude is an absolute fallacy that screams “PROUD TO BE PINOY” crap. In Manila malls, the salespeople discriminate against their own fellow Filipino shoppers and regard them with suspicion. But when a white-European passes by just to look around, the Filipino salespeople swarm around the tourists like flies. Let’s face the fact. Filipinos are regarded around the world as idiots from the provinces who can’t find jobs in the Philippines so they settle for domestic house maid jobs in other countries. People will always judge another based on their socio-economic status. And in case you haven’t noticed, we Filipinos are the basket-case of Asia. And that’s the reason why Filipinos do not get the respect abroad.
I’d vote for anybody who tears all the basketball courts down in the Philippines. A useless “I wanna be like Mike” sport played by Hobbits in a Banana Republic. “Yeay, I can play basketball, look at me, I’m Shaq, my uniform is stateside and Nike. Look at me, I have the latest I-Pad and 4G I-phone…galing ng states ‘to…meron ka ba niyan?
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Francis Reply:
March 16th, 2011 at 9:40 pm
I did not comment to join a pissing contest. The title of the article is about a “country of moochers”. I simply stated that we should look at things with the proper perspective before ranting. My comment about “di lang tayo ang ganyan” means what it means. Di lang tayo ang ganyan. It doesn’t mean it’s right or wrong, it means the title seems to be “misplaced”. Do not put words in my mouth. Bago magalit at magsulat, intindihin muna ang paka’y nang manunulat para makita ng mabuti ang gustong ipahiwatig.
If I apply the manifested “EQ” of the author shown in the article above. After browsing this anti-pinoy site, I would conclude that we are more of a country of whiners and haters. – ang babaw ba ng conclusion?- see what I mean?
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GabbyD Reply:
March 16th, 2011 at 9:48 pm
i agree with you francis. good points.
ici Reply:
March 17th, 2011 at 3:24 am
well, what do you expect? our country is being run by the biggest whiner of them all…it just trickles down.
72 V10 Reply:
March 14th, 2011 at 5:45 am
“Unang-una di lang pinas ang ganyan.”
So hindi na natin aayusin kung mali?
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Rewind Reply:
March 15th, 2011 at 10:13 am
Bakit may mali ba?? hahaha,,,
Iyak Pa!!
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Jay Reply:
March 15th, 2011 at 4:58 pm
Eh syempre may mali. Wawa naman ang mga bulag o nag papanggap na bulag.
Sarap pagsabihan mga tulad mo.
Smackdown Reply:
March 16th, 2011 at 8:21 am
@Jay
Onga eh, wala na siyang ginawa kundi umiyak na parang nasa high school pa siya. Hahahahaha!
Rewind Reply:
March 16th, 2011 at 10:46 am
@jay and smackdown
araaaay n!! asasaktan ba kayo?? hahaha
ang sarap nyo soplakin!!
hahaha… ayaw nyo tla i-accept na may mali sa post ng author.. losers!!
Iyak pa!!!
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Let us learn from Alferez of Noli Me Tangere. One time, he was educating his wife about the colony and explains “Filipinas comes from the words Filipi from Don Felipe and Nas meaning islands of indios”. Hee Hee Hee Hee Hee. But seriously, solicitation is fine, UAAP basketball teams depend on alumni donations. But how the bozo justified the solicitations was plain tontowness. Hindi ko trabajo pakainin ang mga players natin, lest pay for their injuries. It”s a bragging rights game, each player volunteers himself, including the risks of injuries. If I was to donate, tapos malaman laman ko tinipid yung design ng uniporme para pakainin ang mga pamilya ng players, kung di ka ba naman makapatay ng tao o buong pamilya, lol
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rafterman Reply:
March 13th, 2011 at 12:58 pm
I am sure a lot of the donations will end up as pang “inom” and “pulutan”.
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Renato Pacifico Reply:
March 13th, 2011 at 1:03 pm
Ha!@ha!ha!ha!ha! What is basketball without inoman and pulotan. HA!HA!HA!HA!
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Rafterwoman Reply:
March 13th, 2011 at 8:00 pm
I’m sure inggit ka lang dahil hindi ka invited.
May pumipilit ba sa hindi participant na magbigay? Wala naman diba??
Kung pinadalan ka ng death threat or binugbog ka dahil hindi ka nagbibigay – -by all means umangal ka at magpaka smart ass ka. Pero, wala naman diba? People still have the option to say “no”. Asking for donations and solicitations is common practice anywhere. People can always opt out.
Also, please lang no – - if I know, mas successful pa sa iyo more than half of those willing participants of the league. They don’t need to spew hate online to feel successful — they already are in RL
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rafterman Reply:
March 13th, 2011 at 8:10 pm
You just don’t get it. It’s the culture of ASKING for money just to be able to play. Like BenK said, the concept of DIGNITY has been lost in Pinoy CUlture.
Rewind Reply:
March 14th, 2011 at 4:26 am
“We put 5 Champion trophies on our wall during our CAT days, and never solicited from any bosconian. Why? Because we were all volunteers. I suggest you guys do the same.””
@afterman Question? Who then paid for all the expenses (transportation, uniforms…etc?) Did the parents of the varsity players paid them? C’mon!! This non-bozo kuno sucks! The school paid for them, and where did they get the money, e di sa mga bosconians or sa mga na solicit sa nearby establishments.. did they lost their DIGNITY? Phuck!!
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Hsing Tao Reply:
March 15th, 2011 at 4:07 am
CAT kids di ba mga high school yun? Responsibility ng parents yan at school gastusan dahil extra curricular activity nila yan at mga BATA yun. Eh ang mga GURANG na 30 years old? Mahiya kayo uy!
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Rewind Reply:
March 15th, 2011 at 10:23 am
Ge, Iyak Pa
Hanap pa ng butas.
Hahahaha..
Talo na e… hihirit pa!
You did not only hear that from Bosconians, I hear that kind of exchanges from La Sallites and Ateneans. I HEAR THAT EVERY DAY FROM FILIPINOS. Most of all from University of the Philippine graduates. I cannot imagine these former students from “ivy-school” posting comments and blogs that is so hilarious that it brought down Filipinovoices.com to selling bitchy 3-incher high-heel shoes. Filipinovoices became cyber-direlect. The english snobs mutinied and abandoned this site. There never was even a courtesy of obituary. THANK YOU SO MUCH !!!!
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Renato Pacifico Reply:
March 13th, 2011 at 12:59 pm
Filipinovoices.com lost its “collective voice of the Filipinos”. This site is englisthezes-manage by editorial fascists. IT LOST IS VOICE. IT LOST ITS FILIPINOS. IT LOST ITS READERSHIP. Because of englischtzes-snobbery. The “collective voices of the Filipinos” were the voice of the owner of Filipinovoices.com He lost his way and his way is the only way and now he can be found on Fiendsters. Talking about himself. !!!! ha!ha!ha!ha!ha!ha!
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rafterman Reply:
March 13th, 2011 at 1:10 pm
Daaaaaang naman naman naman Renpac. The dysfunctions straddleizes all social classes. Kahit ang mga nasa Da Low Standard Univeristy, Ang Daming Morons University at Univeristy of Pulpols maraming moochers. Number one na diyan ang presidente mo. Hay nako flips, puro kayo gung gongs.
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See, this begging thingie has its roots from Religion. All things insane about Filipinos has its roots in Religion. One of them is begging. Begging to church is tithing. Tithing assures prayers are answered. Answered prayers are heavenly. If prayers are not answer cough up more. Nothing happen, give up your arms and legs. If nothing happen their God will say “BECAUSE YOU ARE DUMB, STUPID AND LAZY” And if prayers are answered “GOD TAKES THE CREDIT” DUH!!!! The root of it all is religion. This tithing and begging thingie is what makes the Filipinos buy their problem out of miseries. Give money to church and all will be answered! HA!
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Well written and good observation….The Filipinos are afflicted with “Dole-Out Mentality”…some sort of “Mendicancy Mindset”…they ask for financial help from well-off relatives, who are abroad. Some of my friends here in the U.S. , are afraid to come home to visit their relatives. Everybody wants a “pasalubong”, in Cash or in Kind. They all think; that Money grows on trees, in the good-old-USA…
This “Mendicancy Mentality” is exploited by our self-serving Politicians; to win Votes and get elected…Like Erap Estrada and the Estradas; distributing: Rice, Tuyo, Noodles; etc…in the slum areas, to get their votes.
There is No Such Thing as: “lived happily ever-after”, or “problems-finally solved”. Everything change from time-to-time in life. Your life will not be the same : an hour from now; a day from now;a week from now; and so on…Change is the catalyst for growth in life. Problems to be solved; make us all grow into a Mature and a Successful human being…
The more we can stand on our own feet…the better for all of us, to get away from the False Promises of “False Hopes”, or “False Change”, from Bogus Leaders…who promises everything, but cannot accomplish anything…
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Hsing Tao Reply:
March 13th, 2011 at 2:25 pm
… And when you do not give to the lazy relatives in Da Pinas who do not like to work or take risks… they will say “Yang si Hyden ang daming dolyar. Napaka greedy, selfish at self centered niya at hindi man lang tayo bigyan ng kanyang biyaya”…
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Hyden Toro Reply:
March 13th, 2011 at 6:06 pm
Its tough love…I have been called many names: from “walang Konsiyensiya…to: walang utang na loob.”…I help people who really deserved to be help. I rather give my money to true charitable institutions…than these relatives with up-turned palms…
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Hsing Tao Reply:
March 13th, 2011 at 9:12 pm
Magically enough, when relatives go abroad the ones left usually lose their ability to work or “run out” of job opportunities. “ang hirap maghanap ng trabaho eh” is what they type in their iPhones na bili gamit ang remittance ng OFW.
Aegis-Judex Reply:
March 13th, 2011 at 8:16 pm
Better a cold, selfish man than one who, to avoid the reproach of selfishness, permits himself to become a mere doormat.
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Hsing Tao Reply:
March 13th, 2011 at 8:35 pm
Correcf brother.
ici Reply:
March 17th, 2011 at 3:35 am
i like that.
dabaw3no Reply:
March 14th, 2011 at 7:27 pm
AMEN!!!!
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Hyden Toro Reply:
March 15th, 2011 at 11:53 am
Believe me; when my Kins (relatives) are hurting, due to the present economic conditions…I’m hurting also. I was not born with a Silver Spoon, in my mouth…I had to struggle to get a decent education; from High School to the University, and to a Graduate School in the USA…
However, I believe that : When You Carry People on Your Back; Their Legs will not Work Anymore…This is what our self-serving Leaders and Greedy Politicians have done to our people. Now, we have, people with: Wowoowee Mentalities; Dole-Out Mentalities; Mendicancy Mindsets; Apathethic people; people without any motivations to improve their lives; people without any initiatives, but waiting for the false promises of these Politicians; Whore worshiping people, etc…
Really enjoyed reading this. The non-bozo alumnus said it direct to the point–priorities. We are indeed a country of moochers. AND I CAN’T STAND TAGLISH. Sometime last year I wrote an opinion and was published by the Inquirer which I have pasted below. It’s about the Filipino Computer and its dial-up way:
Let’s reboot the ‘Philippine computer’
Philippine Daily Inquirer
Posted date: May 08, 2010
IT’S TIME TO UPGRADE THE FILIPINO COMputer (the nation) with newer software (senators, congressmen, Supreme Court justices and executives) and better firewalls or antivirus (ombudsmen). If we care so much about having an efficient computer at home, then we must also demand a better government—it’s free, we don’t have to pay to cast our votes.
Earlier, I urged Filipino voters to consider the Philippines their own home when voting. This time, they should imagine the Philippines as a computer product manufactured in 1946 (after declaration of independence from the United States)—a computer competing against other brands such as Korea, China, Japan, the United States, Vietnam, Germany, India, Indonesia, etc.
We all want an updated and technologically advanced computer; it makes our lives easier and more productive, and we get the respect for having and being the best. If we don’t, we face the risk of being ridiculed for having an outdated model with limited capacity and, therefore, less competitive. Would you use a Filipino computer instead of an American or Japanese computer?
There is absolutely no reason for the Philippine computer to be less competitive: (1) Our computer is strategically located in an economically dynamic region; (2) We have abundant natural resources; (3) We have many universities, some even older than Harvard; (4) We have around 90 million industrious and talented computer chips (our population); (5) We had a head start in Spanish, English, Chinese and other languages; (6) We have access to Western technologies and innovative thinking.
Our heroism and endurance since July 4, 1946 should have made our country “the” success story in the Asia-Pacific region today—the best computer in Asia. Instead, we have built a “nation of servants,” graduating from “some med schools in the Philippines” whose capital “smelled of ****roaches, with rats all over and … no sewage system” that the next president of the Philippines can only fix during a Pacquiao fight when everybody is united at home watching (thoughts conjured thanks to Chip Tsao, “Desperate Housewives,” Danes and Carolla). Our nation has regressed. Our national computer has programmed societal worms and viruses that have evolved and multiplied, thus setting millions of our semiconductors (our people) into a frozen, dependent, helpless and uncertain mode.
No, my fellow Filipinos, it does not have to be like this. We, the millions of marginalized and underutilized microchips of this country, do not have to be exported abroad to find fame and fortune; neither do we have to be soldered into foreign computers in order to function productively. It’s time we scanned our nation for malwares and viruses. Let’s quarantine the dangerous bugs and remove them from our malfunctioning and corrupt system. We must reboot our country on May 10, 2010 and program a state-of-the-art modern Philippines.”
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