Isusulat ko ang sanaysay na ito sa wikang Tagalog dahil medyo “usapang bahay” ang aking sasabihin at para lubos na maintindihan ito ng mas maraming Pinoy.
Nag uusap usap kami madalas ng aking mga matatalik na kaibigan at nabanggit na kapag tatanungin mo ang isang Pinoy kung ano ang pinakamalaking problema ng Pilipinas kaya hindi ito umuunlad, ang malamang na sasabihin sa iyo ay “Korapsyon”. Nagkaisa kami sa damdamin namin na nakakasawa na pakinggan ang katagang yun mula sa ating mga kababayan. Ang nagiging dating nito ay ibinabaling na nila ang sisi sa ibang tao o bagay (na sa kasong ito ay ang pamahalaan) na dahilan daw ng kanilang kalagayan.
Kami ay mga nakapaglakbay na sa iba’t ibang bansa at nagtrabaho o nagnegosyo doon, at nakakita din kami ng mga “korapsyon” na minsa’y mas laganap pa kaysa sa Pilipinas. Sabi ng isa sa amin na nagtrabaho sa Beijing, marami doon na tinatawag na “backroom deals” at lagayan sa pamahalaan na baka nga mas garapal pa kaysa sa Pilipinas. Pero ang bansa nila ay maunlad. Ang Thailand, Taiwan at Vietnam ganun din pero sila ay mga higit na mauunlad kaysa sa Pilipinas. Maski dito sa Estados Unidos ay garapal din ang “korapsyon” sa pamahalaan pero kahit may recession, maunlad pa rin ito kumpara sa ibang bansa. Ang mga bansang Hapon at Korea ay meron ding korapsyon at nasa balita ang mga opisyal nila na nahuling nangungurakot.
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Samakatuwid, hindi monopolya ng Pilipinas ang Korapsyon. Simplistico ang sabi ng mga tulad ni Noynoy na yun daw ang sanhi ng kahirapan ng bansa. Hindi kami naniniwala doon. Naniniwala kami na ang tunay na sanhi ng pagkalugmok ng Pilipinas at mga Pilipino ay ang Kabobohan, Sobrang pagkahilig sa “Party” at ang Katamaran.
Tingnan na lang natin ang Thailand. Sa Pilipinas sila natuto ng mga kaalaman tungkol sa Bigas, doon sa International Rice Research Institute (IRRI) sa UP Los Banos. Pero ngayon, ang Thailand ay kumikita ng malaki sa pag export ng bigas samantalang ang Pilipinas ay nag aangkat nito – SA KANILA. Ngayon, sino ang matalino? Ang gumamit ng kaalaman para kumita o ang sinayang ang kaalaman at kung ano anong mga kalokohan ang inintindi kaya napag iwanan na?
May magandang punto din na nabanggit ang kaibigan ko na may mga Pinoy na nagsasabi na “boring” daw ang mga bansang Singapore o Malaysia. Yun ay dahil mas nakatuon sila sa pagpapaunlad ng mga bansa nila at sarili nila imbes na mag party nang mag party kahit nagkakanda leche leche na ang bansa na siyang ginagawa ng mga Pinoy. May mga kilala kami na halos linggo-linggo may party sa kanilang bahay. Ang kahalintulad ng mga Pinoy ang ang mga bansa sa Latin America na ganun din na mahihilig sa party kaya hindi rin nagsisiunlad.
Ang China, Korea at Hapon na may korapsyon din sa pamahalaan ay mauunlad dahil ang kanilang mga industriya ay umabante ng husto dahil sa kanilang kasipagan. Ito din ang mapapansin mo sa mga Tsino sa Pilipinas na mauunlad kahit may korapsyon sa pamahalaang Pinoy. Kaya hindi kami maniniwala o magsasabi na korapsyon ang dahilan kaya lubog ang Pilipinas. Kapag natuto na mag-isip, magtrabaho at magbawas-bawas ng pagkahilig sa party ang mga Pilipino ay saka uunlad ang Pilipinas.
Ano sa tingin niyo?
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saan ang party sa pilipinas?
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Kanto boy Reply:
December 8th, 2009 at 10:34 pm
Palibhasa wala ka sa Pilipinas kaya di mo alam kung nasaan ang mga party.
Bobo ka talaga, Gabriel Dodo!!
Eat **** and die!!
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Hindi ako tanga Reply:
March 13th, 2010 at 9:42 pm
Ang tanga mo, isa ka sa bobong pilipino kaya uutal utal ka tang ina mo. Ito ang halimbawa ng kabobohan kaya siguro ngayon ni butil ng bigas wala tong makain. Pero nakakapag internet at dota. Hay. Ang hirap kasi sa mga Pinoy, puro yabang, pacellphone cellphone pa na may camera, wala namang load. Tang ina. Totoo naman e, hindi dapat isisi sa gobyerno ang kahirapan. Ang tao mismo ang gumagawa ng sariling kahirapan nila. Mga tanga at bobo kasi. Tamad, puro pa party. Hanggat may maaasahan, sige lang.
Ngayon sa mga comments pa lang dito, kita na kung bakit naghihirap ang Pilipinas.
Marami ding abusado, porke may demokrasya, inaabuso. Nawawalan ng disiplina sa sarili, kaya habang tumatagal, nagiging bobo at unutil na tanga pa. Tapos kung sino pa yung wala, sya pa madaming anak. Tang ina naman. Dati nung 90′s, nasa 60-70 million lang pilipino, tapos medyo naghihirap na tayo noon. Ngayon dinagdagan pa ng 20 million. Putang ina.
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Alam niyo grabe kayo manlait sa Pilipinas para kayong mga hindi Pilipino! Curse you Anti-Pinoys!
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Kahlil Reply:
December 6th, 2009 at 9:40 pm
the problem with us pinoys is we don’t want to change our ways… that’s what all these guys are trying to say. i probably am not the right person to admonish my fellow pinoys but i think it’s high time we own up and think of change. the change we make within ourselves will go a long way if we do it all together. there’s hope for us yet, miss kimberly.
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BabyFats Reply:
December 6th, 2009 at 10:56 pm
Kimberly, it’s Pinoys that don’t want to improve themselves who are the real Anti-Pinoys.
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Celestino Reply:
December 7th, 2009 at 9:28 pm
Tama ka, talagang kailangan na maging masipag ang mamamayan para umunlad ang mahal nilang bansa. Karamihan sa matatalinong Pilipino ngayon pagtapos na matapos sa kolehiyo — dahilan sa walang makuhang trabaho diyan sa Filipinas— pumupunta na lang sa ibang bansa na makakabigay sa kanila ng mabuting kabuhayan.
At dahilan din sa napakaraming matatalinong nag alisan na, maaaring naubusan na ng taong may kakayahan na makapagbabago sa kondisyon ngayon. At ang mga nagsisilbi ngayong mga tao ay hindi nila lubusang makuhang mapagbago ang maraming madla dahilan sa hindi sila ang natural na may kakayahan.
Ang mga mayroong natural na kakayahan sa kanilang propesyon ay ang mga taong may natural na talentong galing sa kanilang pagkatao. Katulad ng artista, karamihan sa kanila ay tunay na artista, na kinagugustuhan ng mga tao, dahilan sa natural na galing nila. Ang eksamplo ay si Pokwang at Dolphy na mahusay na magpatawa dahilan sa ang pag salita nila ay para bang nakukuha nila sa isang banko na punong puno ng mga katatawahan; silang dalawa lamang at iba pang mga natural na nakapag papatawa ng tao ang makakagawa nito dahilan sa regalo ito sa kanila.
Pero pag ang regalo sa kanila ay hindi sa larangan ng politiko( naging konsehal sila dahilan sa ang mga magulang nila ay nasa politiko din) problema lamang ang lalasapin nila at ang mga taong nag dedepende sa kanila na makakatulong sa pag unlad ay mababaligtad lamang sa hindi magandang kalalabasan.
Kaya importante na malaman ng isang tao ang tunay na kakayahan niya para lubusang magampanan niya ang tungkulin na para sa kanya lamang. Ang mga nabanggit mo na karamihan sa mga Pilipino ay mahilig lamang sa “PARTY.” Maaring ang mga ito ay may kakayahan sa pag “ENTERTAIN” ng kapwa tao nila. Ang kakayahan nila ay maaari ding maging “Bar Tender” dahilan sa masarap ang amoy ng alak para sa kanila. At maaari ding maging dancer sila dahilan sa maaaring mahusay silang sumayaw. Giginhawa ang isang bansa kung ang mga tao ay masasaya sa ginagampanan nila.
Ikaw, maaaring may natural na talento sa pag susulat, dahilan sa madaling maintindihan ang tinutukoy mo sa iyong pagsulat .
Kaya nasa tao ang tunay na gawa, at ang mga manga-gawa ay dapat mabigyan ng magagawa. Kung ang mga namamahala sa gobyerno ay walang mabibigyan ng magagawa sa mga tao na gusto nilang gawin, wala tayong magagawa kundi mag hanap na kabubuhayan malamang sa ibang bansa.
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Nito Abad Reply:
March 2nd, 2010 at 9:43 am
“Ask not what you can do for your country, ask what your country can do for you!”
Bless me father for I have sinned. My last confession was more than fifty years ago.
Tama po kayong lahat. Ako po ay tamad. Ako po ay gusto lang mag-party. At kung hindi ninyo po alam, magaling lang po akong magnakaw.
Pero alam ko na masama ang ginagawa ko. At hindi ko rin po na gusto na ipagpatuloy ang buhay na ito.
Bigyan ninyo lang po ako nang pagkakataon eh hindi na po ako mangi-ngibang bayan para hanaping pa ang isang bayang nag-mamahal sa kaniyang mga mamamayan.
Wala naman po akong malaking hinihingi – bigyan lang ako ng katarungan. Papaano po ako mag-iiba kung ang bayan kong minamahal eh siyang unang nag-papakita na magaling pala ang mga magnanakaw.
Tulungan ninyo ako. Iboto po natin si Noynoy. Hindi ako nakakasigurong hindi siya mag-nanakaw pero baka po ang dugo ng mga Aquino ay mangi-babaw.
Ang lahat po ng ibang kandidato eh alam ko na na magnanakaw. Hindi po ako matuturuan nila na maging magaling na mamamayan dahil ipakikita nila ay mag-party, mag-nakaw, at yumaman sa katamaran.
Kayo po ba, bakit masasabi ninyo na hindi kayo tamad? Siguro po kayo ay yumaman din dahil sa pag-nanakaw. Magaling lang kayong mag-sulat pero hindi kayo magaling sa gawa. Sino po ang tunay na tamad sa ating dalawa?
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Ma Xianding Reply:
March 2nd, 2010 at 9:50 am
Masyado ka namang emosyonal. Paano mo naman nalaman na hindi sila gumagawa? Si Noynoy ang tunay na tamad kasi wala siyang ginawa sa 11 years niya bilang congressman at senador. Wala siyang naipasang batas sa panahong yun at ang sabi niya lang ay nag “Fiscalize” daw siya. Kapag tanungin mo kung magkano ang perang na-save niya sa pagfi-”fiscalize” niya ay wala siyang maisagot sampu ng mga kasamahan niya.
Hindi din porket yumaman ang tao ay nagnakaw na. Isip mahirap yan. Kaya natatakot maging mayaman ang mga tao ay dahil aakalain nila na pagnanakaw lang ang paraan para makamit ito. Marami akong kilalang mayaman na pinagtrabahuhan talaga nila ang yaman nila.
anonymous Reply:
March 21st, 2010 at 4:53 am
This is exactly what the article talks about. Sorry to ruin your parade but it is exactly people like you who is the target of this article. The problem lies with us, we vote trapos and corrupt officials in power, and when we do get trapo service and corruption in government, you people complain. Is it any wonder why this country is in such a ****hole right now?
C’mon guys and gals, you know better than that. Unlike in other countries, YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THE PLATFORMS AND POLICIES of your candidates that you vote, you just vote just for the sake of it. Sometimes, I even think democracy isn’t suited for Filipinos, as seeing the majority of them are dumb and all.
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Yeah… You’re so bad naman!
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Look hus talking!! wag kang magmalinis… Pwede ba…Sobra kang manlait… Sarili mong Bansa ginaganyan mo… GodBless you man..kung sino ka man…. Pwede ba..umayos ka..!!!
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Hsing Tao Reply:
December 6th, 2009 at 9:55 pm
Isa nanamang Pinoy na hindi marunong humarap sa katotohanan.
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gm Reply:
December 15th, 2009 at 12:33 am
just need to leave a feedback., i just dont know wheres to put my general comment about the site., kita ko tong link sa definitely filipino sa facebook., i check it out kc the links name is anti pinoy., so ako intregero i check it out. kc anti pinoy daw eh., i really hate it hearing things that is against pinoy., namamantig tlga tenga ko at madalimanis dun sa mga ngdedegrade ng mga pinoy spcly pag kapwa pinoy pa ung gumgwa., but as i’ve checked the site and read the articles i dint see anything that is against pinoy here., it is more of stating the facts, the truth.,… Well i guess reality bites., and for you to be able to move on and grow on whatever aspect it is u have to face the truth and accept it., and thats what this site is all about., maybe the content on this site is a slap in the face pero baka un nga ang kailangan natin para magising tayo sa katotohanan…. Mga pinoy huwag maging makikitid ang utak., we should know how to read between the lines., This site is not about anti pinoy na literal… common as wt Hsing Taomentioned above “THINK FIRST BEFORE YOU ACT AND REACT”
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lee Reply:
December 15th, 2009 at 7:14 pm
agree!
BabyFats Reply:
December 6th, 2009 at 10:30 pm
Ann, unfortunately, mukhang totoo nga ang sinasabi nila. I’d like to take your side on it, pero it’s true. Filipinos are too hedonistic and mahilig sa party, rather than working hard.
Kaya taking the easy-way-out is the common thing to do. Kaya nagkaka-corruption kasi mukhang walang economic opportunities ang mga tao. Tama yung general idea ng article, whether we like it or not. Kasi naman di mo naman talaga matatanggal ang corruption. But when the country becomes richer, it automatically lessens corruption.
Sa totoo lang, di lang naman graft at tong ang corruption eh. Even the fact that our women are becoming whores and entertainers abroad is a form of corruption. Na-corrupt ang values ng mga Pinoy kasi walang ibang way na kumita ng makakain eh. But if all Pinoys united sana to fight for a better economy, gaganda ang mga job prospects natin lahat. Tataas ang mga sueldo ng mga gov’t officials. Walang mangungurakot at walang mag-jajapayuki, bargirl, at prostitute sa ibang bansa.
Kasi naman kahit anong sabihin ng simbahan against “immorality”, kung wala namang makakain ang ordinaryong tao, di mo mapipigilan ang tao na humanap ng paraan upang makakain. Kung kulang ang sweldo ng gov’t officials or gov’t workers, talagang maghahanap ng kurakot yan kasi kulang ang sweldo para sa kanilang pangangailangan. Kung ang babaeng maganda at sexy ay di makahanap ng matinong trabaho kasi nga konti lang ang mga oporunidad, at some point, mapipilitan siyang pumasok sa trabaho kung saan mapapakinabangan niya ang kanyang ganda at ka-sexyhan.
Those are corruption. And those are caused by economic need.
The article of rafterman simply says na kung tinanggal mo ang economic need dahil gumanda ang ekonomiya, maglelessen ang corruption. And in my opinion, maglelessen din ang moral corruption: girls becoming bargirls, wowowee dancers, gogo-dancers, prostitutes, etc.
People are not corrupt for the sake of being corrupt. People are forced by economic need to become corrupt in order to meet their basic needs. Create a society with abundance, mawawala ang corruption.
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Roge Reply:
December 8th, 2009 at 9:29 pm
The article is written by an observant pinoy with a brilliant mind. He has a good point of ideas.
I agree with your phrase: “People are not corrupt for the sake of being corrupt. People are forced by economic need to become corrupt in order to meet their basic needs. Create a society with abundance, mawawala ang corruption.”
Party must be set aside too. My team has been aiming to help people live in adequacy. Yet after wasting time of lectures and trainings, none of them really wants to invest time to do what we had taught them.
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Yeah! I admit I’m one of those people stated in this article. It’s sad but true. The big question here is, after knowing this fact what are you going to do about it…? Are you going to sulk and cry? Because I surely intended to do something about it.
A small act of kindness towards another person would surely make a big difference. Take Efren Penaflorida for example… He started with his push cart and now his pushing the world by his example…
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Hsing Tao Reply:
December 6th, 2009 at 10:35 pm
The solution is just to do the opposite of what rafterman said.
1. Think first before you act (don’t be stupid)
2. Do not party too much
3. Work hard (now that you have enough time and energy stored because you lessened the hedonism)
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Chino F Reply:
December 9th, 2009 at 11:15 pm
Aside from work hard, work smart and work properly. Some people work hard, but they work hard at being bad. Now that’s something else.
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ben Reply:
May 13th, 2010 at 5:50 am
After winning the CNN hero of the year award, he thought he had a chance to bone Angel Locsin… ASA KA NMN BOY EFREN!
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ChinoF Reply:
May 13th, 2010 at 6:18 am
Is he really pushing the world? All that happened was, Efren is CNN Hero of the Year, and that’s it. Wala na, kinalimutan na, ni honey ho, wala. Efren’s CNN Hero of the Year is over-celebrated, thanks to the hype made by local media over it.
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this make me laugh!!!hahahah in pain!!!!!hahahahah!!!grabe kyo mgsalita nkakadurog ng puso!!!!i’ll tell you somethng!!!ako graduate ako ng College…and take note ha s Mapua Institute of Technology intramuros p ko ng graduate…pinalad ako mgkaron ng magandang trabaho…pero s loob ng 8 taon n pagttrabaho ko ni hindi ako nghanda kahit n cake kahit na pansit tuwing birthday ko… lam nyo…un tax n binabayaran ko BIR,halos katumbas n ng sahod ng minimum wage…pero…may napala b ko s buwis n binabayad ko s gobyerno?masakit s kalooban ko n malaking porsyento ng sahod ko npupunta lng s bulsa ng mga opisyal dito s pinas..wag nyo ikumpara ang pinas lalo n sa america at japan…ang america mas malaki ang buwos n binabayaran mo mas malki ang benepisyo n mkukuha mo..libre nga cla s mga ospital nila eh..ganun din s japan..un tita ko nanganak s japan ibinalik s kanya ng gobyerno ang 35 lapad n binayaran nya s private hospital dun ha..lam nyo b kung mgkano ang 35 n lapad s pera natin almost 45,000 PESOS!!!TAKE NOTE HA 45,000 PESOS!!!samantalang ako nanganak ako ang nakuha ko lng s philhealth almost 4,000 PESOS!!!HAHAHAHA!!!ngaun nyo ikumpara ang pinas s ibang bansa..
at isa pa…dito s pinas ang mayaman lang ang umuunlad at ang mga pobre at average n pinoy ay bumabagsak!!bakit??/kc kung gusto mo mgsimula ng magandang buhay dito dapat milyonaryo ka..d lang milyo n 1 MILYON AS IN DAPAT LIMPAK LIMPAK ANG PERA MO!!!kc bago k mkapagnegosyo dito halos kalahati ng puhunan mo ibibigay mo lng n pampadulas s sa mga opisyal….putsa!!!s BIR lang kpg medyo malaki laki ang negosyo n gusto mo itayo mahina n un hingan k ng 10,000 peso, pera p un ibibgay mo k chief para dun s fire safety permit mo,pwera p un s office ni mayor,pwera p un permit to operate mo….buset!!!!mas malaki p un mga tong kesa dun s mismong pagbabayad mo ng mga “legal permits mo”kaya imbles n makakaumpisa k ng maganda e nguumpisa k p lng baon k n s utang!!!imbles n ipapakain mo n lng s mga anak mo ay ipapakain mo p s mga buwaya!!!isipin nyo ngtiis kmi mgasa n mgkahiwalay at pumunta ang asawa ko s ibang bansa para lng mkpagpundar ng negosyo…pgkatapos un pinagpaguran nya ibibigay lng n pampadulas s mga nmumuno?ngaun nyo sabihin sakin n hindi dahil s corruption nghihirap ang mga pinoy???SINO NGAUN ANG SINASABI NYO N BOBO1!!MGISIP ISIP MUNA KAYO BAGO KAYO MGSALITA NG KUNG ANO ANO HA!!!MARAMI KAYONG NASASAKTAN N DAMDAMIN!!!!
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Hsing Tao Reply:
December 6th, 2009 at 10:53 pm
Ang tatay ko nakapag negosyo pero hindi na kinailangan ng isang milyon. Ngayon marami na kaming kumpanya. Nagsimula lang sa maliit na tindahan ng relos. Yan ang hirap sa inyo. Puro excuses.
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SARAH Reply:
December 6th, 2009 at 11:07 pm
it’s not an excuse it is the truth..kelan b ngsimula ang tatay mo mgnegosyo?kung wala kang pera s panahon ngaun d ka makakaumpisa ng maayos n negosyo!
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Hsing Tao Reply:
December 6th, 2009 at 11:12 pm
Panahon ni Marcos. Noon, ngayon, pareho lang yun. Pag asenso lang ang kailangan.
SARAH Reply:
December 6th, 2009 at 11:28 pm
wow!!!it very different then…ng panahon noon ang pera is !:2 against dollar at di p ganoon karami ang kalaban s negosyo
Hsing Tao Reply:
December 7th, 2009 at 12:19 am
May mga kilala ako na nag negosyo nang hindi kinailangan ng isang milyon. That is beside the point though. Re-read the article.
BabyFats Reply:
December 6th, 2009 at 10:55 pm
Sarah, tingin ko nga ay dahil nga sa kahirapan ng ekonomiya sa Pinas (at lack of focus sa ekonomiya) kaya malakas ang corruption sa Pinas.
In other words, kaya nga nangungurakot ang mga ordinaryong tao sa gobierno ay dahil kulang mismo ang kanilang mga sahod para sa kanilang mga pangangailangan. E paano nga kasi, for a long time, di kasi nakatutok ang mga Pilipino sa economy. Puro salita ang hinihingi from government. Kesyo daw “justice” and “equality” na puro salita, eh di salita rin ang ibabato ng mga nahalal sa mga tao. Tingnan mo ang mga tibak, hindi naman kasi jobs at economy ang kanilang pinaglalaban kundi kanilang ideolohiya. Sana kung lahat ng Pinoy ay nagdemand ng “better economy” sa gobierno e di mapipilitan ang gobierno na magdeliver ng magandang economy. At siguro kung mas naging masipag ang karamihan sa mga Pinoy, di sana magkakaganito ang Pinas.
Effect lang ng lack of development ang corruption, it’s not the cause of lack of development. Kaya dapat mag-unite ang mga Pinoy towards economic development at mawawala ng mag-isa ang corruption.
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SARAH Reply:
December 6th, 2009 at 11:08 pm
oo nga unity..that’s what all we need..hindi un sinisiraan nyo un kapwa Pilipino nyo
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Hsing Tao Reply:
December 6th, 2009 at 11:11 pm
Hindi sinisiraan. Sira na ng matagal na. Sinasabi lang ang sira para maayos.
SARAH Reply:
December 6th, 2009 at 11:40 pm
hindi nyo inaayos….nang-aapak kyo ng damdamin ng iba…nilalahat ninyo hindi lahat ng Pilipino katulad ng sinasabi ninyo kaya wag nyo i-generalize..by the name that you have i guess you’re not a pure blooded Pilipino or even not a Pilipino at all..it makes sense kya you’re sooo anti-Pinoy
lahat ng tao may butas kaya wag kayo magmalinis…tumulong kayo s mabuting paraan kung gusto nyo masolusyonan ang problema s Pinas..d kung ano ano p un mga sinsabi nyo…
Hsing Tao Reply:
December 7th, 2009 at 12:18 am
Ang problem solving ay nagsisimula sa pag state ng problem.
Maia Reply:
December 7th, 2009 at 1:05 am
AWWWWW! Inaapakan namin ang damdamin mo, girl? Heto, tissue para sa drama mo. Classic example ka talaga ng typical Pinoy na sobrang defensive para takpan ang mga mali mo na sobrang OBVIOUS sa lahat. Iba’t-ibang klaseng tao ang nabubuhay sa mundo at tiyak ikaw yung tipo na ayaw tanggapin na may mga kamalian ka. Tapos kapag pinagsasabihan ka, nagagalit ka at diniderekta mo sa iba. Wag mong i-project sa mga tao ang mga mali mo. Matuto kang magpakababa. Kung may mga pangit na bagay sa ibang kultura, tiyak maraming pangit din sa kulturang Pilipino.
Why the hell are you trying to justify the ****ty things that our countrymen do? Sabihin mo na hindi namin naiintindihan ang sitwasyon ng mga Pinoy? Wag kang mag-assume na kilala mo kami. Ang mga magulang ko parehong galing sa hirap pero hindi sila nagpadala sa sitwasyon nila, gaya ng ginagawa ng karamihan. Kaya nga ako nakakapag-debate sa’yo ngayon ay dahil sa kanila. Alam nilang mahirap sila pero hindi sila nagpadala. Kasi ang daming Pilipino na masyadong fatalistic mag-isip. Puro na lang kay Lord bahala, pero walang ginagawa para sa sarili nila. At kapag nakakita ng tao na nakapag-asenso ay naiinggit at naninira.
Hindi paninira ang point ng article na ito kaya maghilamos ka. Or magpa-check ka ng mata mo sa doctor. Baka kelangan mo na ng salamin. And while you’re at it, get a brain transplant.
Hindi lahat ng Pilipino ay marunong magsikap ng husto, laging naghahanap ng mas madali na paraan para magkapera, hindi kayang tiisin ang hirap. Puro salita lang pag sinasabi nila na kaya nilang magtiis pero hindi pala totoo. Kaya hanggang ngayon uso pa rin ang sabong, ang jueteng at ang mga pag-iisip katulad ng sa’yo.
AND FYI, sa’yo nanggaling yang accusation na sobrang naglalahat ang mga taong nagcocomment dito. Sige, point it out to us. Where the hell are the words in the article that implicate na ‘nilalahat’ nga ng author??? Kung ikaw mismo ay nagbubulag-bulagan sa mga tumatambay sa sari-sari store at nanonood lang ng Wowowee at hindi nagtatrabaho, yung mga tao na alas tres pa lang ng hapon ay lasing na, ay wag mong ibato ang “anti-pinoy” label ng basta-basta. Kasi kung ayaw tanggapin ng mga Pilipino na may mga dapat din baguhin, ay sila mismo ang sumisira ng buhay nila. Sila ang mga anti-pinoy.
Kaya ikaw, manahimik ka kung puro personal attacks lang ang kaya mong gawin. There’s a BIG difference between pointing things out and talking ****. You can’t fault someone for pointing things out, but talking **** is baseless and classless. Which your comments sound like, by the way.
The people who have read this article and have taken everything personally are all people who miss the point. And will continue to miss the point even if we spell it out in red letters or use flashing billboards.
Rick Reply:
December 8th, 2009 at 6:33 pm
korek…. korapsyon talaga ang dahilan ng kahirapan ng piliinas at wag nyong sabhing tamad ang mga pilipino.. 8 ang kapatid ko sa amerika.. ang tingin ng mga amerikano sa mga pilipino ay masisipag.. ang tingin nila sa mga chinese ay mga manggugulang, ang tingin nila sa mga black amerikans ay magnanakaw, ang tingin nila sa mga koreano ay kuripot, ang tingin nila sa kapawa amerikano ay mga marereklamo.. pilipino lang ang alam nila na kahit maliit na barya ay pagttrabahuhan kaya mali ang sinasabi nyo na tamad ang mga pilipino,, dahil sa pagiging masipag ng mga pilipino dun halos tayo nakikilalal in fact tingin nga nila satin ay mga katulong.. sa sobrang kasipagan …… ang laki laki ng tax ko pero araw araw sa ilang taon kong nagttrabaho… yung kalye sa tapat namin never napagawa ng gobyerno… tinitiis ko bumyahe sa kalyeng yan samantalang sa laki ng tax ko sa buong pinagtrabaho ko eh halos pwede mo ng ipagawa ang kalye sa buong street namin…. kung ok lang sa inyo na magbayad ng buwis at mahal na hamburger sa jollibee pwes hindi lahat gusto magbayad ng 12% tax! kapag nagkasakit ka ditoi sa pilipinas mamamatay ka sa librng ospital na may 10,000 pasyente at 2 doctor!!!! ngayon namatay ang tatay ko sa pampublikong ospital dahil di naagapan kakahintay sa iang pirasong doctor na nag aasikaso ng sandamukal pang pasyente, asan na yung tax na binayaran ko? ni hindi manlang nadugtungan buhay ng tatay ko kahit 2 minuto… ngayon nyo sabihin na tamad ang mga pilipino… nagttrabaho kaming magkakaptid lampas sa 8 oras sa loob ng maraming taon, pero di kami umunlad dito sa pilipinas,. nung umalis sila ng bansa,,.. tska lang kami nakatikim ng cake at softdrinks! kahit kornik di kami nabigyan ng gobyerno sa laki ng tax na binabayaran namin ni hindi kami nakatikim ng kaginhawaan dito sa pilipinas kahit subsob kami sa pagttrabaho… sino ang tamad ngayon?
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ilda Reply:
December 8th, 2009 at 8:29 pm
Rick
That means, kasama ka sa minority na masipag hindi sa majority na tamad.
See how you and your sibblings found a way to escape the misery in the Philippines? You are very resourceful kung baga. Hindi kita masisisi na umalis ka.
Ang problema rin minsan, ang ibang Pilipino (I’m not saying you’re one of them) sumisipag lang at marunong lang sumunod sa rules and regulations kapag nasa abroad na. Para bang pag nasa Pilipinas, ok lang wag sumunod sa batas. It’s like there is a different standard when you’re in the Philippines.
Ang isa pang point ko, yang mga tamad na Pilipino, imbis na kilalanin talaga ang mga kandidato bago bumoto, eh kung sino na lang ang sikat, yun ang iboboto! So ayan, ang mga masisipag na katulad mo kailangan pang maghanap ng trabaho sa ibang bansa kasi there is no job opportunity sa Pilipinas dahil na mismanage na mga nakaupo sa gobyerno. They cannot create a job market oby inviting foreign investors in the country dahil palpak ang mga patakaran!
Diba? Yes!
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Hindi ako tanga Reply:
March 13th, 2010 at 9:51 pm
Alam mo, hindi naman natin sinasabi na hindi pinoy ang gobyerno. Ngayon bakit ba sila nangungurap ng pera sa BIR? Kasi isa din sila sa mga bobo, mahilig mag party at tamad. Ngayon kailangan lang magbago ng mga putang inang opisyal na yan para mabago ng tuluyan ang lahat. Maski ako naiinis. Ang laki ng tax pero wala din napupuntahan.
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dannyG Reply:
April 1st, 2010 at 4:24 pm
wala pong mag cocorrupt kung hindi tayo mag papacorrupt! Ibig kung sabihin walang magpapalagay kung hindi tayo maglalagay di ba? it takes two to tango ika nga…alam natin na di tayo nagkakaroon ng negosyo pag di tayo naglagay e bakit natin pipilitin? at bakit tayo maglalagay kung alam nating mali ang ginagawa nila? meron tayong boses di po ba? tayo ang magpapabago sa maling sistema ng ating kultura hindi yung magpapadala tayo sa sistema. Kung may alam tayong mali kausapin natin na mali ang kanyang ignagawa hindiyung magpapadala tayo sa kanilang mga kabuktutan.MAli rin po yung ginagawa nating pinapabayaan lang nating maglagay tayo sa kanila. In the end kasama rin tayo don sa bulok na systema. Gusto pala nating baguhin e bakit ayaw tayong magreklamo….
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so where are the parties? saan?
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benign0 Reply:
December 6th, 2009 at 11:42 pm
Mr GabbyD, I’ve described some of Da Pinoy’s penchant for partying and fiesta — and even describe our so-called “revolutions” as “ocho-ocho fiestas” and our elections as “fiesta elections”.
If you are not satistfied with this, no less than that greatest Pinoy hero of the blogosphere — Jim Paredes — describes the Pinoy archetype as such:
Evidence of this character of ours abounds!
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Maia Reply:
December 7th, 2009 at 1:14 am
We love entertainment, Little Miss Philippines, telenovelas about young love, fantaseryes, etc. that are mostly about the young.
With all this entertainment, it’s no wonder our idle time overlaps our work time. A neighbor of mine who owns a sari-sari store once tried to set me up with her son and bragged about how hardworking he was but I saw for myself how lazy the idiot could get. Every time I’d be rushing off to work and would pass by the store, he would call out and tell me to stop for a bit and have a drink. When I asked what the occasion was, he always said “Wala lang.” No reason. So much for trying to impress me.
We have very short memories. We are not great fans of history and we never seem to learn from it.
Case in point: Ondoy. How many more typhoons do we have to endure before we get it into our thick skulls that preparing for typhoon season should be SECOND NATURE to us? That and we know that garbage and illegal logging causes floods, but what did we do when the waters receded? Didn’t we litter again? I wonder how many more people have to die before they get the point.
Giving Jim Paredes credit for that one, though I tend to disagree with his other views.
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Gman Reply:
December 7th, 2009 at 12:02 am
Gabby, nasa kalye ang party na hinahanap mo. Imbis na magtrabaho, ngawa ng ngawa para sa paninindigan nilang “anti-administration”. Kahit sino ang nakaupo, makikita mo silang nagpaparty sa kalye at di nagtatrabaho.
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Kanto boy Reply:
December 7th, 2009 at 1:23 am
GabbyD,
Alam mo kung ano ang tambay diba?
Normally nag-iinuman sa lansangan, walang t-shirt – hubad ang taas, may gitarang dala dahil may kantahan at habang nag-iinuman, tumatawa o kaya pumipito sa mga babaeng seksi na dumadaan.
Party yan, GabbyD.
Tanga ka ba? Bulag ka ba? Have you not seen that all around?
Stop making excuses and justifications, boy. You are an ANTI-PINOY!
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GabbyD Reply:
December 7th, 2009 at 1:54 am
ah, tambay.
so when the author says “party”, ang ibig sabihin nya ay inuman ng mga istambay
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Kanto boy Reply:
December 7th, 2009 at 2:26 am
Any kind of fun, you idiot!
Filipinos are “partying all the time” is a way of saying na puro aliw at libangan lang ang inaatupag ng mga Pilipino. Doesn’t mean all Pinoys go to Embassy or Ascend or have birthday parties in their house all the time.
It just means puro “fun” ang nasa isip ng mga Pinoy.
So kung ikaw nagtatanong ka “so where are the parties? saan?” now you know na MARAMING IBANG KLASENG PARTY.
Kasama na doon ang mga tambay. Kasama rin doon ang mga pumumupunta sa mga beerhouse para manood ng gogo-dancers. Kasama doon ang pumupunta sa station ng wowowee.
Ganun lang kasimple GabbyD. Ang tanga mo naman!
GabbyD Reply:
December 7th, 2009 at 2:59 am
ah, wala nang ginawa ang pinoy kundi magsaya.
wow, ang saya sa pilipinas. napakasaya.
Filo Reply:
December 7th, 2009 at 5:11 am
Oo nga Gabs. Sobrang saya. Just ask Willie Revillame. He’ll show everyone kung gaano kasaya talaga.
Kanto boy Reply:
December 7th, 2009 at 8:59 pm
GabbyD,
Did you ever wonder why there’s correlation between the Philippines’ lack of progress and the fact that foreigners notice that Filipinos are always smiling?
Manhid o tanga siguro ang maraming Pinoy na kumbaga, ok lang ang kulelat, kasi nga masaya naman eh. Di naman sa masama ang maging masaya, pero paminsan kelangan din maiinis ang Pinoy sa situasyon para ayusin ang buhay eh. Eh sa Pinas, imbes na magalit sa sitwasyon, nagagalit ang Pinoy sa mga scapegoat: pangulo o “corruption” daw, eh ang tunay naman talagang problema ng Pinoy ay masyado tayong mahilig sa happy-happy kaya imbes na magtrabaho o magnegosyo para sumweldo, puro tagay at happy-happy ang inaatupag natin. Ayan, wala ngang kaunlaran. Tapos hahanap na lang ng scapegoat ang Pinoy para sabihing “hindi naman ako ang may kasalanan kung bakit ako mahirap at kulelat eh.”
Ikaw Gabby D, mahilig ka yata magpaka-pilosopo, ano? Ang mga katulad mo ang mga nagiging trapo na puro na lang pambobola ang ginagawa imbes na magproblem-solving ng maayos.
Paano ka magpa-problem-solving kung masaya ka at lagi kang nagpapasaya kaya nakilmutan mo tuloy na may problema ka pala.
Pantasya ang nagpapabuhay sa Pinas! GabbyD, isa ka sa mga sumisira sa Pilipinas dahil ayaw mong aminin na kinakailangan ng pagbabago ang mga Pinoy.
At ang pagbabagong ito ay nasa attitude at behavior ng mga Pinoy.
Ano? Gagawa ka na naman ng excuse para pumalag sa katotohanan?
O aaminin mo na may problema nga ang Pinoy kung puro kasiyahan na lang at iwas-trabaho ang ginagawa?
Ang Pilipinas dati nag propose na ang DanceSport gawing part ng SEA games. Nag protesta ang Singapore at sinabing “That is the consequence of being a party loving people”.
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GabbyD Reply:
December 7th, 2009 at 12:48 am
wow, parang walang party, fiesta at supersale sa singapore…
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Maia Reply:
December 7th, 2009 at 1:04 am
I doubt totoo yan. Lahat ng mga kaibigan ko na Singaporean marunong naman din mag-enjoy. Hindi lang exaggerated, katulad ng Pinoy.
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Kanto boy Reply:
December 7th, 2009 at 1:26 am
Sa Singapore at sa ibang First World countries:
Work Hard, Play Hard
(Ok maybe sa Singapore “Work Hard, Play Some”
Sa Vietnam, China, at ibang Third World countries na gustong umangat:
Work Hard, Work Hard, Play just a little
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Sa Pilipinas:
Play Hard, Play Hard, Don’t get any work done
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That’s the problem, GabbyD!
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The Singapore Strait Times, in an editorial published entitled “This is sport?,”
It shows how pathetic party loving Filipinos brought shame to themselves by proposing to make Dancesport a sport in the SEA Games….
“Nobody can be certain any more whether the Southeast Asian games showcase sport, as the word is understood, or indigenous diversions. This is no facetious poser.
“The Games are at risk of becoming a nonentity if the respective national Olympic committees do not draw a line between athleticism and cultural eclecticism. The most recent host, Vietnam, introduced native pastimes as quaint as shuttle**** kicking. The Philippines, next year’s host, has committed a worse heresy by dropping soccer and badminton from the provisional list. Can one conceive of Hamlet without the prince? That the Filipinos have no tradition in those sports hardly excuses them the axing. To round off the logic they might as well insert pineapple-fiber weaving as a medal event. Arnis, a local martial art, is in. So also a mutation called dance sport, which is just lovely for a party-loving people.
“But also missing are a number of other conventional sports: volleyball, table tennis, weightlifting, cycling, and sailing among them. Unless reinstated in the final list, the Manila Games will be a mongrel cottage exposition. South-east Asian people have a great deal of respect for each other’s cultures and traditional art forms. As well, the Filipinos are essentially following a trend set by previous hosts, who had included minority disciplines they were good at. The unwritten code of permitting the host full liberty to design the programme has to be broken now if the SEA Games are to honour youthful athleticism. A Malaysian official who feels likewise also made the point that it is not South-east Asian’s habit to offend the hosts. This is a virtue and the region’s great cultural impediment as well. The Asean political grouping has suffered for it. But with fun and games, one can get away with a measure of firmmess. Sorry, Manila, you should yield.”
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Kanto boy Reply:
December 7th, 2009 at 1:29 am
Filipinos can be our own worst enemy…
Kakahiya!!! Ano, GabbyD? What say you?
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GabbyD Reply:
December 7th, 2009 at 1:52 am
what SEA games is this 2005 manila?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_Southeast_Asian_Games
badminton is in it. so is soccer?
what r they talking about?
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Kanto boy Reply:
December 8th, 2009 at 9:11 pm
I bet you if there was a ****-sucking contest, you’d join it, right, Gabriel Dominic?
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Lance Reply:
December 7th, 2009 at 2:39 am
Daming social climber sa Pinas, kahit walang pera basta maka punta sa mga tambayan nang mayayaman okay lang, Embassy is one of the example, I knew a lot of people who definitely struggling with financial situation, but still they dying to party every night just to mingle with the rich and famous.
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Kanto boy Reply:
December 7th, 2009 at 10:14 am
Lance, kaya nga andami sa mga yan nagiging “escorts” or “easy to woo girlfriends.” (bayaran) The whole Philippine modeling industry, especially for the pretty sexy ones who are not rich enough and come from financially-challenged backgrounds always get told by their bading agents to go on “P.R.” (public relations) which is a euphemism for “prostituting rounds.” Many of those not so rich model types who hang out at Embassy are precisely that.
And that is a form of corruption. Moral corruption. Nagiging puta ang mga babae dahil hirap sila financially, pero naghahanap ng easy way to make money while partying.
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Guys, when it comes to the issues of “katamaran” I think Rizal says it best in Indolence of the Filipinos.
Oh come on you “anti-pinoys”, accept the fact that if you don’t have a “negosyo”, you’re just another lowly paid worker that barely makes due. Not all of us are so fortunte to have a business. Tama nga sabi ni Villar that we have to emulate the Chinese more pero face it. Pinagtiytiyagaan ka lang kung employee ka.
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thats right, the reason tambays are unemployed is because they love to party. its their party going ways thats led them down this road of ruin.
tama!
meanwhile, gainfully employed individuals around the world dont know what “happy hour means”, coz they’re all clean and sober. tama!
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Hsing Tao Reply:
December 7th, 2009 at 5:38 am
The entry of the word DUMB in the dictionary should have a picture of you in it.
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GabbyD Reply:
December 7th, 2009 at 11:27 am
ouch! should i have my picture taken after the party or before?
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Kanto boy Reply:
December 8th, 2009 at 6:35 am
Hey Gabby ****ing Dodo, you’re stupidest piece of **** that ever walked the earth!
Are you even in the Philippines, you miserable piece of ****?!? Because it’s obvious you know nothing about the Philippines and about Filipinos.
GabbyDodo! If you were here in the Philippines, you would know that what rafterman wrote is true. Where exactly are you, you ****ing loser?!?! HA?
Gabby ****ing Dodo!
BongV Reply:
December 7th, 2009 at 12:05 pm
GabbyD:
The “tambays” have the option of:
A- tagay
B- upgrade their skills – learn a new craft; attend government funded voc-tech
C- start their own microbusiness in cooperation with a cooperative
D- go to provinces where their skill get a premium rate
or a combination thereof – the thing is, given 24 hours day, the tambay indulges in (A) for the most part of the day. compare that to a more balanced or more moderate of mix where A only accounts for 1 to 2 hours max every day.
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Maia Reply:
December 7th, 2009 at 12:54 pm
I hope it’s nice in that bubble of delusion you live in because once that’s popped, you’ll be surprised at how many Pinoys prefer having a good time first before working hard and then when the partying stops and they realize that they’ve got ****loads of work to do, they go at it fast enough but the end results are always half-hearted. The house I lived in is an example of that. Sloppy carpenter work, faulty plumbing. You can take a good guess as to what the people working on the house loved to do and when the deadline of the house loomed over them, they worked quickly to finish it and they covered up their mistakes pretty well. If you want to insist that it doesn’t happen, that’s fine. You can keep your thumb stuck in your mouth and never grow up.
The truth of the matter is that a MAJORITY of Pinoys are more pleasure-seeking and fatalistic. “Bahala na si God sakin, basta ako masaya.” Well, being masaya alone doesn’t put food on the table. Kaya nga meron ding sinasabi na nasa Diyos ang awa, nasa tao ang gawa. However you act, God will provide the rest. If you can’t work hard and you prefer to just have fun, then God will provide temporary happiness and fair-weather friends for you but that’s about all that you get. Come morning after you’re nursing your hangover, you’ve got empty pockets and your friends are gone.
My parents are both “workaholics” but if we define that as “people who work hard to provide for their family” then they’re guilty of doing it. But it’s precisely because they work hard that they have the means to give their kids a few “luho” every now and then. My mom always has enough set aside to drag me out to accompany her to shop on the weekends and that’s her idea of fun. My dad sets enough aside to treat the family out to a good movie and a meal on weekends. That’s also his idea of fun. But they don’t trade work over it. When it’s time to work, hindi mo sila pwedeng kulitin, hindi ka pwedeng makipagkwentuhan sa kanila. Kasi nasasayang ang oras and there is a lot of work that can be done in the time it takes to gossip.
At nakakainsulto ang sinasabi mo. I guess this means that the one hour drinking session I usually had with co-workers AFTER WORK doesn’t count as having fun, does it? That makes me sober and boring? I have news for you: I CHOOSE TO BE SOBER. But boring? LOL. If I didn’t like my life and didn’t crack jokes about it – whether regarding work or everything else – I should have committed ritual suicide a long time ago because I felt life was too “boring”. Get your facts straight before you make all these assumptions about people.
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GabbyD Reply:
December 7th, 2009 at 1:15 pm
wait a second maia…
if i make broad statements about people, i’m wrong.
but if rafterman makes it in a blog post, he’s right.
OK. got it.
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Kanto boy Reply:
December 7th, 2009 at 9:06 pm
No GabbyD,
You’re a mother-****ing god damned dimwit!!!
You have to make logical statements that make sense, not just any broad statements, you ****head!
YES YOU’RE WRONG. Kasi bobo ka, tanga ka, puta ang ina mo, at isa kang ANTI-PINOY, you worthless piece of ****!
Rafterman is right because totoo naman ang sinabi niya eh.
When you make broad comments about INDIVIDUALS, you piece of crap, you run the risk of saying things that just aren’t correct!
But when making general observations about A SOCIETY where MOST PEOPLE exhibit a particular trait or behavior, A GENERALIZATION HOLDS. (most does not mean 100%, so if there is at least 1 person who does not match it, then it’s no longer 100%. But MOST means more than 50%, you ****ing asshole!)
You’re really stupid, aren’t you, GabbyD?
What the **** is wrong with you, huh?
Get a life, mother****er!
GabbyD Reply:
December 7th, 2009 at 9:46 pm
wow, kanto, u really do have a potty mouth.
“Rafterman is right because totoo naman ang sinabi niya eh.”
so he’s right coz you say he’s right…
if i disagree, will u curse me again?
maybe i should just agree just so u can shut up?
do you do this to everyone u meet?
“But when making general observations about A SOCIETY where MOST PEOPLE exhibit a particular trait or behavior, A GENERALIZATION HOLDS.”
actually, i dont disagree. i never said i disagreed with this definition.
what i said was… (and read very carefully!) that I can make my own generalizations, coz thats what I see as what characterizes a people.
dude, why do you curse all the time?
are you supposed to be the kind of person who represents the new kind of pinoy? the kind of pinoy who is “better”?
wow…
Kanto boy Reply:
December 7th, 2009 at 10:39 pm
No you ****ing putangina crap-eating ****head!
Rafterman’s article is correct because if you go out in the Philippines, you can see it for yourself, as long as you aren’t blind to the reality out there. Puta talaga ang ina mo, GabbyD!!!
I curse the carbon dioxide that comes out of your nostrils and mouth when you speak and exhale because you don’t have a right to live on this earth you idiot!!!
No, I don’t represent the new kind of pinoy. I represent the angry pinoy who is angry at PUTANGINA ****HEADS LIKE YOU WHO ARE SO STUPID BUT KEEP ON INSISTING ON YOUR STUPIDITY!!!
**** you, eat your **** and die, mother****er!!!!
You know what you should do?
You should use your brains PROPERLY so that you don’t spew out ****ing crap like you MOST OF THE TIME DO.
And that’s an accurate generalization because almost everything you say is ****.
Better yet, if you disagree, I will seek you out and torture you until you agree to eat your dick so long as the pain goes away.
OR…
…you can just use your brain and see why Rafterman’s article is totally correct and accurate in characterizing the REAL REASON that the Philippines continues to be a ****hole.
1. Most people are lazy
2. Some people who are articulate and not lazy are MASISIPAG in creating NONSENSE like you. That means trying to find ways to justify crap and make excuses why the mediocrity of the Philippines is “a ok.” **** you too, GabbyD!
Wake up, you piece of ****!
GabbyD Reply:
December 7th, 2009 at 10:48 pm
this is fun!
but theres a compliment somewhere between the PIs and th FUs…
articulate daw ako! yess!!! at di ako lazy!
unfortunately, everything i say is ****… if i can only sell it, i’d do great in the fertilizer business…
well, i’m glad ur not the new pinoy… if you are, we’d be in big trouble!
unfortunately, we have nothing to discuss as u just repeated everything u said earlier…
most people are lazy huh? okie dokie!
kulang pa actually… most pinoys like to party too right? party-hearty, diba?
you are an angry pinoy di ba? sige, ilabas mo pa galit mo… ano pa ang gusto mong sabihin about pinoys…. sige!
btw, this is called “hate speech”, coz its said in hate and derision. go ahead, hate speech ka pa!
Maia Reply:
December 7th, 2009 at 10:56 pm
So were you put on God’s green earth just to ask stupid questions and go around in circles while trying to sound intelligent doing it? Broad generalization my ass, it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to detect the sarcasm in your comments because you obviously don’t like the bad things about Filipino culture pointed out. You prefer to sweep them under the rug. You want to pretend that the majority of Pinoys are hard-working and that what’s being written in this article is a load of bullcrap. Well, sorry, but being as Filipino in nationality (AND ALSO THE FACT THAT I WAS BORN IN THE PHILIPPINES AND LIVED THERE FOR 24 YEARS OF MY LIFE) as you like to think you are, I didn’t look at everything around me through rose-colored glasses. Which is pretty much the impression you’re giving off here with the tone of your replies.
I grew up in neighborhoods that were full of tambays. They always had to have an excuse for a party and then later on, there would be explosive fights over the money that they used up. And these people also borrowed money from my folks which would have been fine if they’d used it for something important or if they’d break out of their vicious cycles and get proper jobs and save money, but it was the same goddamned thing day in and day out. You think that isn’t frustrating to look at? Able bodies wasting themselves away because they prefer to think of life as short and that they should have as much fun as possible. Without even thinking that there are people who depend on them and they could actually do much more.
Perhaps you didn’t grow up in these areas, so you wouldn’t know what it’s like. I imagine you grew up in sheltered villages where everybody probably drove a Benz. If you have nothing substantial to contribute to the discussion here, for the sake of your miniscule brain, give it a rest and just shut up and go away. Come back when you have something smarter for me to pick at.
GabbyD Reply:
December 7th, 2009 at 11:07 pm
@maia
did i say you were wrong to say those things? hindi!
what i said was, i hear what people are saying.
also, i said was i am free to make broad generalizations myself. same as you. di ba?
or bawal?
Kanto boy Reply:
December 8th, 2009 at 6:50 am
Bawal ang katangahan you ****ing DODO!
Gabby ****ing putangina DODO.
Maia hit the nail right on the head because she lived in such an environment. Ikaw siguro galing ka sa Forbes Park, ano? ha?
One of those insulated ****-head oligarchs that know nothing about the real Philippines. Or siguro wala ka Pinas, pero tagalog kayo magsalita ng parents niyo that’s why you speak Tagalog. But seems that you are totally OUT OF TOUCH with the Philippine condition. You know NOTHING about real Filipinos. Where did you grow up, ha, GabbyDodo?!? In a Pinoy enclave in Daly City?
Kasi as far as I know, you really are out of touch with the Philippines and with Filipinos. You have no real desire to help make the Philippines a better place. Para sa yo, any criticism is EVIL, and you don’t want to hear any criticism, ESPECIALLY CRITICISM ABOUT FILIPINOS THAT IS TRUE.
Balat-sibuyas ka, you dick-sucking fag! You know nothing about Filipinos, you know nothing about the Philippines! Putangina, baka nag di ka Filipino eh, baka you’re a spy from North Korea na natutong mag-Tagalog and you want Filipinos to FAIL by making Filipinos IGNORE their shortcomings and weakpoints para patuloy ang mga mali nating mga Pinoy. You are a ****ing idiot!!! Because you want Filipinos to be WEAK instead of STRONG and weakness-free!!!
You pretend to defend Filipinos, but actually you want us to continue to be weak!!! You are like an army doctor paid by the enemy to make diseased soldiers continue to be in the same area with their other comrades at arms so that they get infected and all get weak. An army doctor is supposed to diagnose properly, GIVE THE RIGHT MEDICINE and tell the sick party to stay away from the others while recuperating, so as not to infect the others. But YOU, you ****ing idiot GABBYDodo, are the traitor army doctor that is paid by the enemy to give sick soldiers with TB and dysentery a “clean bill of health” and let them stay in the barracks with their comrades, thereby making them all get sick, and some even die!!!
That’s a sneaky way to wage war, you traitor!!! You want Filipinos to be WEAK that’s why you want FILIPINOS to continue to have weaknesses that keep us from progressing!!! **** YOU you goddamned mother****ing piece of ****!!!
Puta ang ina mo GabbyDodo!!
GabbyD Reply:
December 7th, 2009 at 9:49 pm
@maia…
as kanto was saying..
i wasnt talking about you when i said “sober”. i didnt say u were boring either.
i was making a broad generalization.
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Kanto boy Reply:
December 7th, 2009 at 10:46 pm
GabbyD, You make broad generalizations about a SAMPLE GROUP, not about individuals, CRAP-****!
If 7 or 8 out of 10 Filipinos do a particular thing then it can generalized that Filipinos GENERALLY do that thing.
But if you make a comment about Maia or any single person, unless you have incontrovertible proof that the person is what you say he or she is, then what you say is not a generalization or broad generalization: it’s a FALSEHOOD.
Making generalizations makes sense when the phenomenon observed happens more than 50% of the time within the sample group. What’s your problem with Rafterman telling the truth anyway?
IT IS TRUE that Filipinos like to party. It is true that Filipinos are fun-loving people (too fun-loving most of the time, in fact), and it IS TRUE that far too many Filipinos have financial difficulties AS A RESULT OF NOT HAVING FOCUS ON WORK and instead having more focus on fun.
What’s your problem with the FACTS, you idiot?
That’s why you’re such a stinking cretin, you know?
**** you and **** all the ****ing losers who think like you!!
Eat **** and die, mother****er!!!
GabbyD Reply:
December 7th, 2009 at 10:49 pm
“You make broad generalizations about a SAMPLE GROUP, not about individuals,…”
corek! yun nga sabi ko! ang galing mo!
Kanto boy Reply:
December 8th, 2009 at 6:31 am
Nah, you’re a ****ing **** putangina loser who likes to suck his own dick at night, GabbyD!
I really agree with this one, pero ang kinakati lang ng isip ko ay…
Now that we have pinpointed the three main reasons why the Philippines, as a collective individual (di ko rin to nagets kung ano) is in the mess it is in right now, WHERE WILL WE GO FROM HERE?
Majority of the “everyday party, ignorant and lazy” Filipinos wouldn’t be able to read this one. What steps should be made to reverse this disease that’s already embedded on the culture of Filipinos since the Spanish occupation?
Eto na ang mahirap: ang tatakbong presidente at ang administrasyon sa hinaharap ay malamang hindi magkakaroon ng POLITICAL WILL para sabihin sa sambayanang Pilipino na: “MGA TAMAD MAGTRABAHO KAYO LAHAT NG UMUNLAD ANG PILIPINAS!!!” dahil shempre malaki utang na loob nila sa mga taong inuto nila noong campaign period.
Saan nga ba tayo patungo.
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Kanto boy Reply:
December 7th, 2009 at 2:31 am
In fairness to the administration, way back in 2001 noong inauguration ni GMA sa EDSA Shrine, sabi niya “We need to work on our work ethic”, short of saying “hoy, masyado tayong tamad, we need to work harder!”
Importante siguro ang message na ito para sa mga may impluwensiyang mga Pilipino, yung mga active sa issue-advocacy. Mukhang ang pinapalabas ng article na ito para sa mga taong aktibo sa issues ay imbes na mag-rally sila tungkol sa corruption, ay mas mabuti pa siguro magdemand na lang sila ng Economic Development sa gobierno. I-demand nila na mag-focus na lang sa isang bagay lang ang pamahalaan: sa ekonomiya.
Kasi nga kung naayos naman ang ekonomiya ayos din ang lahat eh. gaganda ang lahat. magiging mas kaunti ang corruption.
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sticktoexecute Reply:
December 7th, 2009 at 2:51 am
“We need to work on our work ethic”
Sana tinagalog na lang niya para nagets ng marami. Haha.
Salamat sa info…
Teka…
Economic development pero to what extent, pano kaya maaabot ang milyung-milyong mga Pilipinong nakatambay lang tuwing tanghali at nanonood ng mga Wowowee?
Ayun na nga ang tanong.
Gusto pa ba ng mga Pilipinong umunlad?
Kasi parang “OKAY NA SILA NG GANUN”
PATAY. TAYO. DIYAN.
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Sa ayaw at sa gusto man natin, magalit man tayo o matuwa sa mga naka sulat dito subalit lahat ay pawang katotohanan.
Ang pag unlad nang isang bayan ay hindi lamang naka salalay sa mga lider nito bagkus ang ito nasa kamay rin nang bawat mamamayan.
Nice work anti-Pinoy.
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Here’s a good way to test if your a traditional pinoy (bobo, tamad, mahilig sa gimik, mabisyo)
Check where you spent your 13th month pay.
- did it go to pay bills for previous “non essential” expenses?
- did you use it to go on a spur of the moment gimik?
- did you use it to buy the latest lifestyle gadget? ( buying unreasonably priced brand items for the sake of prestige)
- spent money to impress your circle of friends, something normally out of your means to pay for?
- net of your essential monthly bills (food, utilities) is the total of your non-essential expenses higher than your savings rate?
- do you even have savings?
… I think you know where these questions are going to.
I’m not saying that we should stop celebrating events, WE need to celebrate our victories and milestones, but the 15th and 30th day of the month is not a milestone. If your drinking / partying every time you get your salary, then your partying too much.
By the way I don’t consider public gath
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ka_fredo Reply:
December 7th, 2009 at 3:11 am
too quick on the submit button.
I mean to say I dont consider public protest gatherings as wasteful. They are only wasteful if done for propaganda reasons.
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Sad, but true. =(
And pinoys complain: “mahirap ang buhay!” Eh, di pa nga nila nararanasan ang tunay na hirap! Sige nga, punta nga sila sa sobrang malalamig/maiinit na bansa. Hirap sa atin kasi, kahit wala gawa, kahit hubo’t- hubad at nakatunganga, maka-survive pa rin. Tignan ko lang kung makasurvive ng nakahubad for 1 hr sa winter(or kahit autumn or spring)! have to work, have to move! kasi kung hindi, manigas ka sa lamig!
Anyway, kelangan natin something/someone to motivate us to work!
Hope and pray that we can find it/him.
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Kahlil Reply:
December 7th, 2009 at 4:04 am
I think looking for “something/someone to motivate us” is the exact attitude that another of rafterman’s post was trying to point out. we should kill that attitude
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PARTY what’s wrong with partying? Liberal party, Democratic party, Party all-night party all-day?
Partying is a healthy sign of a human being.
NOT GOING to parties like these BUNCH OF LOSERS HERE LONELY ANTI-PINOYS HERE ON THESE BLOGS STUCK ALONE AT HOME OR AT WORK WITH THEIR COMPUTERS BECAUSE NO ONE INVITES THEM TO PARTIES
NOW THAT’S THE PROBLEM!!
KASI WHEN THEY CANNOT CARRY A HAPPY AND INTERESTING CONVERSATION everything coming out of their mouths will make you depressed about your life so better stay away from them who would invite you to a party if you’re like that, huh? Loser!
Magpakayaman ka man sa mundong ibabaw, di mo dadalhin sa hukay yan pare!!
Filipinos are generally a happy people, hindi mo maalis sa atin yan, we were compared once to the Hobbits from the Lord of The Rings, we are all lucky to be happy, we are happy with our lives so we love to celebrate LIFE
The world admires us we have gone through so much calamities especially this year but we never lose hope, the US soldiers who helped us uncover the dead bodies in the muds were all depressed but we still managed to smile at them for helping us
Do you know how many people in Japan and the US commit suicide because of depression???
Look at the list below and compare
We are almost at the bottom of the list because it shows we have a healthy mental being
Yung mga kayod nga ng kayod, ipon-ipon nga ng ipon ng pera nagapakayaman ng nagpakayaman
Sino makinabang ng pera nila? Wala dun sila ngayon nade-depress nawawalan meaning ang life nila so better to die for them than live a meaningless life. So their answer is Suicide.
Either divorced sya or unhappy with their spouse, or single so walang meaning ang life nya para sa kaniya
Alam lang nya gising sa umaga at mag trabaho, uwi sa bahay hayon tapos…
Do you think Bill Gates or Warren Bufftett are happier than the regular Filipino? Do you think Tiger Woods is happy with all the money and success and recognition worldwide? No way, hayun nahuli nangangaliwa pala kasi HINDI SYA HAPPY!
Happiness is not about having a lot, it’s about being happy with what you have
It’s about giving to others and serving one another, kasi may Diyos sa taas nanonood sa atin
Eh kung wala kang ginawa kundi magpakayaman tulad ng mga corrupt officials Diyos na lang bahala sa kanila sa kabilang buhay
These are our beliefs kasi eh:
It is easier for a camel to enter into the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter into the Kingdom of Heaven
Kasi we believe BLESSED ARE THE POOR for they shall inherit the earth.
So it comes down to beliefs
The Japanese, they believe when they die it’s over! So whatever failure they have either in business or personal life hayun nag hahara-kiri na, binubutas sariling tyan, nagka-kamikaze, nangdadamay pa ng kapwa para lang mapansin or makapatay ng iba, or tumatalon sa harap ng tren para tapusin na kasi alam nya TAPOS NA pag patay na sya
Tayong Pinoy hindi, alam natin this life is just a stage, a test kung we will follow God’s word or not
Basta tayo gumawa tayo ng mabuti, masaya pamilya natin, naglilingkod tayo sa kapwa at DI NANINIRA SA KAPWA PILIPINO ok na tayo
But it doesn’t mean tamad tayong lahat na Pinoy, hindi.
Oo marami nga ang mga tamad na nakikita mo sa kalye araw araw
Pero the way you GENERALIZE na lahat ng Pinoy tamad at mahilig sa party? Dyan ka mali
Di tama yan, maling maling ka dyan pare
Maraming tao ang masipag
Nagdadanak ng dugo sa abroad para mabuhay at matapos pag-aaral mga anak at kapatid nila sa Pinas
Milyon milyon yang mga taong yan chong compared dun sa mga tambay sa kalye
Nilulunok nila pride nila kahit mag DH sila sa HK kahit tapos sila ng nursing sa college
STOP GENERALIZING PLEASE ANTI-PINOYS
Look at the list below SUICIDE RATES worldwide
Sana for you New Year’s resolution, mapasama kayong lahat dyan na mag suicide na para mawala ang mga SALOT na tulad niyo mabawas-bawasan ang mga TRAITORS NA ANTI-PINOY
Suicides per 100,000 people per year[2] Country ↓ Males ↓ Females ↓ Total pop. ↓ Year ↓
Lithuania 68.1 12.9 38.6 2005
Belarus 63.3 10.3 35.1 2003
Russia 53.9 9.5 30.1 2006
Slovenia 42.1 11.1 26.3 2006
Hungary 42.3 11.2 26.0 2005
Kazakhstan 45.0 8.1 25.9 2005
Latvia 42.0 9.6 24.5 2005
Japan See: Suicide in Japan 35.8 13.7 24.4 2007
Guyana 33.8 11.6 22.9 2005
Ukraine 40.9 7.0 22.6 2005
South Korea See: Suicide in South Korea 29.6 14.1 21.9 2006
Sri Lanka[3] N/A N/A 21.6 1996
Belgium 31.2 11.4 21.1 1997
Estonia 35.5 7.3 20.3 2005
Finland 31.1 9.6 20.1 2005
Croatia 30.5 9.7 19.7 2005
Serbia and Montenegro 28.4 11.1 19.5 2006
Hong Kong 22.0 13.1 17.4 2005
Moldova 31.5 5.1 17.8 2006
France 26.4 9.2 17.6 2005
Switzerland 24.7 10.5 17.6 2005
Poland 27.8 4.6 15.8 2005
Austria 24.7 7.0 15.6 2006
Czech Republic 25.5 5.6 15.3 2005
Uruguay 24.5 6.4 15.1 2001
People’s Republic of China 13.0 14.8 13.9 1999
Denmark 19.2 8.1 13.7 2001
Seychelles[4] N/A N/A 13.2 1998
New Zealand[5] 20.3 6.5 13.2 2008
Sweden 19.5 7.1 13.3 2002
Bulgaria 19.7 6.7 13.0 2004
Germany 19.7 6.6 13.0 2004
Trinidad and Tobago 20.9 4.9 12.8 2000
Slovakia 22.3 3.4 12.6 2005
Romania 21.5 4.0 12.5 2004
Cuba 18.6 6.2 12.4 2004
Suriname 17.8 6.4 12.1 2000
Bosnia and Herzegovina 20.3 3.3 11.8 1991
Norway 15.7 7.4 11.6 2005
Canada 17.3 5.4 11.4 2004
Iceland 16.2 6.1 11.2 2005
Portugal 17.5 4.9 11.2 2003
United States 17.7 4.5 11.1 2005
Luxembourg 17.7 4.3 11.0 2005
Australia 17.1 4.7 10.9 2003
India 12.2 9.1 10.6 1998
Chile 17.8 3.1 10.4 2003
Singapore 12.9 7.7 10.3 2006
South Africa[6] 25.3 5.6 N/A 2005
Ireland 16.3 3.2 9.7 2005
Netherlands 12.7 6.0 9.4 2004
Kyrgyzstan 15.3 3.2 9.2 2005
Argentina 14.1 3.5 8.7 2003
Turkmenistan 13.8 3.5 8.6 1998
Mauritius 13.2 3.8 8.5 2005
Zimbabwe 10.6 5.2 7.9 1990
Thailand 12.0 3.8 7.8 2002
Spain 12.0 3.8 7.8 2005
Saint Lucia 10.4 5.0 7.7 2002
Belize 13.4 1.6 7.6 2001
Ecuador 10.4 4.0 7.2 2005
Nicaragua 11.1 3.3 7.2 2005
Italy 11.0 3.4 7.1 2003
El Salvador 10.3 3.5 6.9 2005
Republic of Macedonia 9.5 4.0 6.8 2003
United Kingdom[7] 10.4 3.2 6.8 2005
Costa Rica 10.6 1.9 6.3 2005
Panama 11.1 1.4 6.3 2003
Israel 10.4 2.1 6.2 2003
Puerto Rico 10.9 1.8 6.2 2002
Malta 7.0 4.9 6.0 2004
Colombia 8.9 2.6 5.7 1999
Uzbekistan 8.1 3.0 5.5 2003
Venezuela 8.4 1.8 5.1 2002
Brazil 6.8 1.9 4.3 2002
Mexico 7.0 1.4 4.1 2005
Albania [8] 4.7 3.3 4.0 2003
The Bahamas 6.0 1.3 3.6 2000
Greece 5.9 1.2 3.5 2006
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines 6.8 0.0 3.4 2003
Bahrain 4.9 0.5 3.1 1988
Paraguay 4.5 1.6 3.1 2003
Tajikistan 2.9 2.3 2.6 2001
Georgia 3.4 1.1 2.2 2001
Guatemala 3.4 0.9 2.1 2003
Philippines 2.5 1.7 2.1 1993
Kuwait 2.5 1.4 2.0 2002
Armenia 3.2 0.5 1.8 2003
Dominican Republic 2.9 0.6 1.8 2001
Turkey 2.3 2.9 1.8 1995 [9]
Azerbaijan 1.8 0.5 1.1 2002
Peru 1.1 0.6 0.9 2000
São Tomé and Príncipe 0.0 1.8 0.9 1987
Barbados 1.4 0.0 0.7 2001
Iran 0.3 0.1 0.2 1991
Jamaica 0.3 0.0 0.1 1990
Syria 0.2 0.0 0.1 1985
Egypt 0.1 0.0 0.0 1987
Antigua and Barbuda 0.0 0.0 0.0 1995
Haiti 0.0 0.0 0.0 2003
Honduras 0.0 0.0 0.0 1978
Jordan 0.0 0.0 0.0 1979
Saint Kitts and Nevis 0.0 0.0 0.0 1995
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ilda Reply:
December 7th, 2009 at 4:17 am
@MoneyIsJustAPieceOfPaperPrintedByTheGovt
Huh?! I don’t think you know what you are talking about. I for one have to say no to some of the invites coming my way because I have a very busy schedule and I know my priorities. I can’t go partying all the time because I have to think about tomorrow and the consequences of my actions. Be careful with your assumptions. Your assertions don’t have any basis. Your comments are very, very defensive. It makes you look desperate.
Are you saying that Filipinos want to stay the way they are because they are happy anyway?
Why are you angry? If you had a loved one who is going down the wrong path, wouldn’t you try and help him/her? You are the Anti-pinoy. Because the Pinoy I want to know is someone who is responsible and sensible, not someone who is in denial. You are incapable of understanding any new concept outside of your comfort zone. Just stop and think for a moment if any of the things being said is true. Filipinos do love fiestas and showing off even if they are already broke and even if it kills them so they don’t really need to commit suicide.
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BATANG TONDO Reply:
December 7th, 2009 at 4:34 am
@Ilda
See how defensive you are too because I said ALL THESE ANTI-PINOYS BLOGGERS are all bunch of losers
So there you go, you may be an exception among the ANTI-PINOY losers
or maybe the only loser is Rafterman who wrote the article, I don’t care
But for him to say ALL PINOYS ARE TAMAD AND LOVE TO PARTY that is generalizing which is the worst thing this website does
NILALAHAT NIYO
Do you know how much money Japan spends in their almost weekly festivities all around the country called Matsuri?
Do you know how much the US spends on partying and fireworks on July 4 celebrations?
They spend a lot too because they can afford it or may be wala rin silang mga pera after the festivities.
You never know, you can never really compare
So hindi lang Pinoy ang ganun…
At kung may tamad man hindi lahat tamad
Like I said DO NOT GENERALIZE
What may be true for 1 person doesn’t mean everyone is like that
Thailand has been labeled WHORE country for many years, so nag-aalsa sila kasi di naman lahat tao dun WHORES eh
Get it?
So stop generalizing kasi you just create enemies among nasasagasaan nyo, durog durog na…
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BATANG TONDO Reply:
December 7th, 2009 at 4:37 am
YES IT’S ME…
sticktoexecute Reply:
December 7th, 2009 at 5:11 am
All Pinoys against most Pinoys = What’s the difference?
The point is that the majority of Filipinos who have those negative traits seem to outnumber those who don’t.
Sinabi mo na nga eh, maraming tamad pero di lahat. Eh pano na nga yung mga tamad? Hayaan na lang natin sila at tutal naman mukha naman silang masaya?
So does it boil down to this: Okay na kaming mga mahihirap. Tutal naman masaya na kami eh. Chaka blessed kami because we will inherit the earth. Kahit yung mga anak namin eh wala nang kainin, okay na sila masaya naman silang naglalaro eh.
Ibig sabihin walang problema ang bansa natin? Tutal naman generally masayahin ang mga Pilipino.
Di naman naninira ang point nito eh, pre may isang Pilipinas lang siguro tayong naiimagine, kung saan kahit papano eh nakikita ang asenso sa bawat isang Pilipino, di man malaki pero nag-iimprove. Paunti unti pre.
Pano gagamutin ng doktor ang pasyente kung di niya aalamin kung ano ang masakit sa tao?
Pano naman matutulungan ng taong may sakit ang kanyang sarili kung di nya tatanggapin na may sakit nga sya?
Ano nga ba dapat ang ating gawin? Wag na lang magsalita tungkol sa mga negatibong aspeto ng Pilipino para di nito masaktan ang iyong damdamin? Kung ganon, sana wala na lang nagrereklamo.
Tutal naman.
Masaya naman tayo diba?
rafterman Reply:
December 7th, 2009 at 5:14 am
A lot of the Antipinoy Bloggers are my facebook friends and yes, we do party. I organize parties myself and get invited. The pictures are all on our walls. But Pinoys in general just take it to the next level. I know of a registered nurse who just hosts weekly parties in his place. The time and energy it takes to do it really drains him but sige pa rin. In contrast my other nurse friend who does not party too much now owns a few elderly care facilities and can sit easier than his counterpart who partied too much (na ayun, nagtatrabaho pa rin ng parang kalabaw so he can have more money to party with). The former is more prevalent among Pinoys than the latter. Sana dumami ang gaya ng pangalawa.
benign0 Reply:
December 7th, 2009 at 4:40 am
Mali naman ang definition mo ng “generalise” e. Generalising is to characterise the collective without necessarily saying that all members of said collective are characterised.
The Japanese for example are considered to be an “industrious people”. But saying they are an “industrious people” is not the same as saying that EACH AND EVERY Japanese person is industrious. There are lazy Japanese individuals too. But the overall collective outcome of the Japanese society is a strong and prosperous nation.
See the difference, dude? You’re the one being overly defensive here. And it is severely CLOUDING your thinking faculties.
Stidi ka lang dyan.
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benign0 Reply:
December 7th, 2009 at 4:45 am
And by the way Mr batang tondo, you can see now what being overly emotional makes you do — forget to use a consistent identity when you comment here.
Count one to ten next time before you hit the SUBMIT button, dude.
benign0 Reply:
December 7th, 2009 at 4:49 am
Just to remind you, here is blogger extraordinaire Jim Paredes himself making the same assertion in an early blog article of his:
Careful careful – specially when clicking on the SUBMIT button…
BATANG TONDO Reply:
December 7th, 2009 at 4:58 am
I decided to talk to Ilda only.
So please stop talking to me.
GabbyD Reply:
December 7th, 2009 at 5:07 am
“Generalising is to characterise the collective without necessarily saying that all members of said collective are characterised.”
“The Japanese for example are considered to be an “industrious people”. But saying they are an “industrious people” is not the same as saying that EACH AND EVERY Japanese person is industrious. There are lazy Japanese individuals too. But the overall collective outcome of the Japanese society is a strong and prosperous nation.”
thats the reason why saying general statements are unfair and useless.
Hsing Tao Reply:
December 7th, 2009 at 5:09 am
This is a public forum. We can reply to whatever we like, If you want to talk to Ilda only then get the email address and email each other in private. Bobo lang hindi nakakaintindi ng concept ng public forum.
BATANG TONDO Reply:
December 7th, 2009 at 5:12 am
Thanks GabbyD
OK decided to talk to Ilda and GabbyD only…
BATANG TONDO Reply:
December 7th, 2009 at 5:19 am
I was in LA when Michael Jackson died…
Arnie approved $2M to spend on Michael Jackson’s funeral from govt funding
In this recession?
Everyone was angry!
MGA PINOY BA YUN?
Nope
You might be shocked to know how much taxpayers money is spent in holding all the parties and events at the White House DAILY
MGA PINOY BA YUN?
Nope
$80B approved for stimulus package, to revive the economy san napunta yun?
BONUSES and FAT PAYCHECKS of employees, brokers and traders sa financial institutions and banks sa WALL STREET
MGA PINOY BA YUN?
Nope
So bakit PINOY LANG MAY PROBLEMA?
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Hsing Tao Reply:
December 7th, 2009 at 5:23 am
Those are not frequent. Minsan lang mamatay si Michael Jackson and the money invested generated business for LA. Ang White House Parties ay normal dahil kahit anong presidential palace/house ay kailangan mag host ng party kapag may mga bisita.
Pero ang Pinoy basta lang makapag party magpaparty na.
Ang bobo naman ng analysis mo. Sabagay, what to expect eh bobo ka.
homer Reply:
December 7th, 2009 at 5:37 am
That was an analysis? I thought it was a bad draft by the savior of Philippine cinema.
Hsing Tao Reply:
December 7th, 2009 at 5:40 am
LOL! Baka turo sa kanya kan ng kanyang 5 girlfriends with a squirt of lotion.
Hsing Tao Reply:
December 7th, 2009 at 5:05 am
Ang Pinoy hindi na kailangan mag suicide kasi NAGPAPATAYAN naman eh.
Look at the homicide rate at nasa bandang itaas ang Pilipinas with a whopping 21 homicides per 100,000 population. Japan has 0.5, Singapore 0.5, USA 5.9…
Source:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2009/oct/13/homicide-rates-country-murder-data
Mabuti pa ang nagpapakamatay eh sarili lang nila napeperwisyo nila eh ang Pinoy pumapatay ng ibang tao. Pati cel phone eh nakukuha nilang pumatay ng tao para lang maagaw ito.
Isa pa, WE ALSO PARTY, get invited to parties and we host parties. Sabi sa article SOBRANG party. Learn how to read. Ang Hapon, Kano at Chinese may mga party din pero ang Pinoy sobra sobra talaga. Kahit magkautang utang basta makapag piyesta o gimik lang. Di ba sabi nga ng SINGAPORE; Such is the consequences of a party loving people. HAHAHAHAHA. Kaya ayan, you party your way into the toilet bowl your country is in right now.
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Spot on, Mr. Kahlil!!!
Why this emphasis on messiahs when we have it all within ourselves to change the trajectories of our individual lives.
I dare say, even this emphasis on finding the “right president” is misguided. I think the issue here is the general tolerance range for the quality of our presidents as factors in our ability to prosper. The Chinese people for example are able to prosper as a distinct ethnic group within a BROAD range of business environments and quality of governance. Whether it is in corrupt societies or in advanced well-governed societies, the Chinese are a consistent economic/industrial force in their host societies.
Pinoys will prosper or will FAIL within a broad range of governance quality. There is NO STRONG CORRELATION between our future fortunes AND who or what kind of person sits in Malacanang — just as a who’s-who of “heroes” and individual achievers have come and gone over the ENTIRE history of the Philippines without any evidence that they actually influenced the overall/general ability of Pinoys as a sovereign people to progress as a society.
The fundamental issue REMAINS in our character as a people. And an effort to change must begin there. We must question the very values and belief systems we observe without question. It is not easy, much as an ability to see what is so wrong with our attitude towards “heroes” seems to escape the minds of the average Pinoy.
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estudyante Reply:
December 7th, 2009 at 5:59 am
I mean someone or someTHING to motivate them to work. Sinabi ko na “them” kc i assume tayo dito are self-motivating and are hardworking.
Also, meron tayong certain people from regions na branded “masisispag” like the Ilokanos and illongo or yung mga taga bohol and cebu. Anyway, gusto kong mag focus sa solution kasi stated na ‘yung problems.
tama na ‘yung bangayan na na-abot sa deodorant! hehehe…
one reason din nakikita ko na kaya di tayo umaasenso: hilig natin makipagdebate at mag-away2x at magcreate ng kung ilang maliit na fractions within sa maliit na group na under dun sa group… phew! =)
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i’m trying to get invites to these hypothetical parties, and all this fun filipinos are accused to having…
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benign0 Reply:
December 7th, 2009 at 4:51 am
Perhaps you might want to consider switching deodorant brands (or for that matter start using deodorants)…
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GabbyD Reply:
December 7th, 2009 at 5:09 am
really? what deoderant do u use?
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GabbyD Reply:
December 7th, 2009 at 5:10 am
you might know, since u seem to have had all this fun and parties in the philippines…
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Kanto boy Reply:
December 8th, 2009 at 6:51 am
**** you GabbyDodo!!!
Ang Pinoy hindi na kailangan mag suicide kasi NAGPAPATAYAN naman eh.
Look at the homicide rate at nasa bandang itaas ang Pilipinas with a whopping 21 homicides per 100,000 population. Japan has 0.5, Singapore 0.5, USA 5.9…
Source:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2009/oct/13/homicide-rates-country-murder-data
Mabuti pa ang nagpapakamatay eh sarili lang nila napeperwisyo nila eh ang Pinoy pumapatay ng ibang tao. Pati cel phone eh nakukuha nilang pumatay ng tao para lang maagaw ito.
Isa pa, WE ALSO PARTY, get invited to parties and we host parties. Sabi sa article SOBRANG party. Learn how to read. Ang Hapon, Kano at Chinese may mga party din pero ang Pinoy sobra sobra talaga. Kahit magkautang utang basta makapag piyesta o gimik lang. Di ba sabi nga ng SINGAPORE; Such is the consequences of a party loving people. HAHAHAHAHA. Kaya ayan, you party your way into the toilet bowl your country is in right now.
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BongV Reply:
December 7th, 2009 at 7:23 am
Exactly!
The keyword is moderation.
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Tama ang article na ito eh. Nag kukunwaring bulag lang ang Pinoy, konyari walang sira sa Pilipinas. Ang totoo, ang daming sira. Yung korapsyon, symptomas nga ito. Ngunit parang tinatanggap ng Pinoy ang korapsyon na bahagi ni buhay. Parang OK lang mangotong, OK lang mag jueteng, OK lang mangupit ng gamit sa opisina, OK lang magsinungaling ng konti, mandaya, mamilit ng ibang tao kahit sila’y nahihirapan. Marami pa yan.
Pero may puno na may maunlad na bansa kahit may korapsyon ito. It ay dahil sa kultura ng mga bansang ito. May pagpapahalaga sila sa pagiging excellente at pagiging matalino. Dito, matalino ka lang pag maraming ang pang-tong mo. Ang kultura na may pagpapahalaga sa excellence saka sa maayos na katalinuhan ay ang mananalo. Ito ay kulang sa kultura na Pilipinas.
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Chino F Reply:
December 7th, 2009 at 7:14 am
May halimbawa ako sa totoong buhay. Marami ngayong nagpapagawa ng bahay, di ba? Pati kami, kaya nagha-hire kami ng trabahador. Kung maayos ang mga trabahador na ito, eh hindi sila gagawa ng kabalbalan. Isang araw, may materyales na nawawala sa stock namin. Pag tinanong sa trabahador, di daw nila alam. Sasabihin nila wala silang alam sa mga nawawala, e sila lang may alam ng stock na yan. Kaya ibig sabihin nagnanakaw sila o kakunchaba ng nagnakaw. May mga gamit sa pansamantalang bahay namin na nawawala, e katabi lang ng construction site.
Tapos kapag may maling ginawa ang mga trabahador na pinuna, magagalit pa ang trabahador o gusto nila walang mali. OK lang yan daw dapat. Kaya yung trabaho palpak. Tapos pag sinabi gawan ng 3 days ang trabaho, kaya naman, sasadyaing 5 days gawin. Hihingi ng masmataas para gawin on time. Bakit, kailangan ba ng napakalaking sweldo para gumawa ng tama? Kung di naman gunggong ang mga trabahador na ito. Kung kailangan ng extra pay o treatment para maayos lang ang trabaho, e di salbahe ang mga trabahador.
Kung sila ang halimbawa ng mga mahihirap sa bansa natin, eh kitang-kita ang dahilan kung bakit di umaasenso. Walang pagpapahalaga sa maayos na trabaho at pagiging excellente. Bobo ang labas.
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BongV Reply:
December 7th, 2009 at 7:42 am
Ang Pinoy-in da Pinas style karpentero, ganito (A):
1. Time In.
2. Kwento.
3. Sharpen the plane.
4. Manually shave the piece of wood.
5. Feels the wood.
6. Kwento.
7. Sharpen the plane.
8. Manually shave the piece of wood.
5. Feels the wood.
9. Kwento.
7. Lunch
8. Kwento.
9. Sharpen the plane.
10. Manually shave the piece of wood.
11 Feels the wood.
12. Kwento.
13. Miryenda
14. Sharpen the plane.
15. Manually shave the piece of wood.
16 Feels the wood.
17. Kwento.
18. Time Out
Karpentero outside da pinas typical workday would be (B):
1. Time In.
2. Plug electric planer
3. Shave the wood
4. Take a break. Kwento.
5. Shave the wood.
6. Take a break. Kwento.
7. Shave the wood.
8. Clean the workplace.
8. Time Out
Assuming, both are paid equally per hour at the onset, you are getting more done with (B) than (A).
When market forces kick in, adjustments are made for productivity, (A) gets lower rates due to lower productivity, (B) is able to charge a premium due to high productivity.
Factor in the constant cost of the essentials, (A) keeps up with (B) in terms of entertainment.
The difference is (B) has more disposable income because he has higher compensation.
(A) – in turn, has to lower allocation for essentials. In order to meet the essentials, (A) resorts to borrowing either from relatives and friends, even loan sharks, or even resort to gambling, or selling off property.
In due time, (A) will be deep in debt, barely able to make ends meet – but still wants to “fiesta” and “party” – then blames the government for his misery.
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Kanto boy Reply:
December 7th, 2009 at 10:22 am
Hahahaha! Beautifully explained!
Maia Reply:
December 7th, 2009 at 11:07 pm
The Pinoy karpintero work day…
*facepalm* That explains it. No wonder we spent much more on renovating the house. Kasi andaming sira. Tapos nagsinungaling pa sila na bagong gawa siya. When we looked closely at the cupboards in the kitchen, tabingi lahat! Ang pangit din ng paint job. Yung mga doors hindi nagsasara ng maayos. And I knew a karpintero who went to work on the house next door STONE DRUNK.
Classic. This is why my parents tell me that if I want to buy a house in the Philippines, I have to be prepared to spend more on renovating it. That and I would have to supervise them every single day.
Chino F Reply:
December 10th, 2009 at 2:00 am
And the scary part is that this sloppy work in construction is common.
Thus, other readers out there, the connection should be clear. Corruption happens when the people do not have any appreciation at all for excellence or achieving a high standard. Or just even for just doing things the right way. They want to do things any way they want and still win. Like earning money without working, or fitting a square nail into a circular hole and saying, “it fits!”
The construction workers in my example have no appreciation for doing the job right or satisfying the standards of their clients. They just want their pay now so they can get drunk tomorrow. Even if the job is poorly done, and the house will collapse, they still want their pay. There is no justice in their actions. They are complaining that they are poor and insist that they deserve the treatment of their mistakes being glossed over every time. But they are among the ones contributing to the downfall of their country.
OK ANTI-PINOYS
Yes, we are ALL corrupt
Yes, we are ALL tamad
Yes, we are ALL bobo
Yes, we are ALL stupid
Yes, we are ALL ignorant
Yes, we are ALL gago
Yes, we are ALL whatever
Sige tinatanggap na namin ok tama na mga sinasabi nyo
YOU ARE the very few na Pinoy na nag-iisip, matatalino, masipag at magagaling na tao.
The rest of us are bad eggs
Through these blogs you have proven your point
So what now?
Annihilate us ALL PINOYS like Hitler killed the Jews?
Ano ba gusto nyo talaga mangyari?
Sige accepted na nga namin what is wrong with us…
WHAT NOW?
Ano gagawin nyo sa amin????
Ha????
Ano ang magagawa nyo para umunlad nga tayo?
Wala pa akong nakikitang mga solution eh puros problema pine-present nyo
Asan mga solutions nyo asan na???
The fact remains you are making FALSE GENERALIZATIONS on a whim
NOT based on facts including the EFREN’S VOTERS RIGGING ACCUSATIONS that
YOU DON’T WANT TO ADMIT NA MALI
KAYO ANG AYAW MAG-ADMIT
Kahit the facts are IN YOUR FACE na CNN asked everyone to VOTE AS MANY AS YOU WANT
Di nyo ma-accept—THAT ARTICLE should not even be here anymore because IT’S FALSE
MATITIGAS ULO NYO MGA ANTI-PINOY TUNAY NA TUNAY
Kaya ako umiinit ang ulo dito!
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BongV Reply:
December 7th, 2009 at 7:47 am
For a start, control the things that you can – that’s YOU, yes YOU:
STOP BEING corrupt
STOP BEING tamad
STOP BEING bobo
STOP BEING stupid
STOP BEING ignorant
STOP BEING gago
START BEING honest
START BEING industrious
START BEING discerning
START BEING factual
START BEING rational
Ang tigas ng ulo mo
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MoneyIsJustAPieceOfPaperPrintedByTheGovt Reply:
December 7th, 2009 at 7:50 am
START TAKING DOWN EFREN’S FALSE ARTICLE GAGO!!!
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Maia Reply:
December 7th, 2009 at 12:25 pm
WHY SHOULD THEY WHEN YOU’RE THE ONE WHO MISSED THE POINT? =P
I just couldn't help myself Reply:
December 11th, 2009 at 4:33 pm
Putang ina mo Batang Tondo!
Wala lang. Bobo mo eh.
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Chino F Reply:
December 7th, 2009 at 8:52 am
Di ko naman sinabing lahat ng trabahador ganyan. Pero nakarinig ako na madalas daw mangyari yan ngayon sa construction. E ang ibig sabihin, nakakatakot na magpagawa ng bahay. Laging may sabit na manyayari. Sayang ang pera. Yung mga trabahador na hindi maayos, sila ang Anti-Pinoy, hindi kami, noh.
Ang solusyon nga is ayusin nila ang trabaho. Ayan, sinabi na ni BongV ang lahat. Itigil ang kalokohan, gawin ang kaayusan.
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homer Reply:
December 7th, 2009 at 9:22 am
“Through these blogs you have proven your point”
“So what now?”
—you’re a idiot…..tapos.
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Hsing Tao Reply:
December 7th, 2009 at 9:33 am
Pagka haba haba ng statement mo invalid naman. Gumamit ka ng salitang ALL eh.
What to expect eh BOBO ka. Akala ko ba goodbye na? Papapansin sa atin mukhang nag break na sila ni Mr. Sakamoto.
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BongV Reply:
December 7th, 2009 at 9:50 am
BT has got the heart, I gotta hand it to him.
But heart is not enough. He needs to to use his head, too. He has to conquer his anger. Get a lid on his emotions so he can think with clarity.
Then he can wield his craft with devastating effectiveness to uphold the welfare of the Filipino.
First things first however, identify the problem, craft the solution, then IMPLEMENT, monitor and evaluate.
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BATANG TONDO Reply:
December 7th, 2009 at 11:20 am
Thanks guys…
I have learned a lot here
Sorry for everything I ever said.
Good luck with everyone…
God bless.
BongV Reply:
December 7th, 2009 at 11:28 am
BT:
Apparently we are all passionate about what we do. And obviously started off on the wrong foot.
You are always welcome to swing by. You have seen the indie productions – you can come up with something really edgy, something that makes people stop and reconsider -isn’t part of the media artists role? you paint your canvas on the digital screen, i just hit my keyboard.
No harm done, believe you me – we are used to seeing this kind of discussions on the net, we have also been moderated (worse – banned) in various sites due to our strong opinions. If you were in Filipinovoices.com or barriosiete.com or ellentordesillas.com – you would have been banned since Day 1 – but AP did not – we value your right to freedom of expression. However that does not mean we have to silence our voices, too.
At the end of the day, our intentions are to better the homeland, albeit in different paths. Ika nga – the devil is in the details. We like to question the conventional beliefs – and it unruffles feathers. But that’s what AP is all about – to ask the hard questions that most wouldn’t ask.
In doing so, we put ourselves on the line and have our share of arrows in the back. What else is new, it’s another day in the blogsophere.Thanks for dropping by.
Mabuhay!
Hsing Tao Reply:
December 7th, 2009 at 11:23 am
Gawa ka ng pelikula Batang Tondo showing how Pinoys can change for the better. Halimbawa yung mga asawa ng DH sa Pilipinas na asa na lang ng asa sa kanilang asawa na nagkakandakuba tapos sila wala na ngang trabaho, may kabit pa. Tapos ipakita mo kung paano siya nagbago nang makita niya kung paano apihin ang asawa niya sa Hong Kong nang minsan syang bumisita.
BongV Reply:
December 7th, 2009 at 11:39 am
or he can come up with a TV show on financial literacy – a Pinoy version of Suze Orman.
a lot of Pinoys spend beyond their means – a Donya Buding type of character who is a financial guru/nanny… and has to be finely tuned to a Pinoy audience – now that’s a challenge… or something like Mad Money on NBC… with a pinoy flavor… the artist’s challenge is how to make the message of financial literacy and responsibility, hip, cool, in
rafterman Reply:
December 7th, 2009 at 12:01 pm
Yeah, huwag ka mawala dito Batang Tondo. You are welcome to discuss with us. Malay mo dito ka pa makapulot ng ideas for your box office hits or songs di ba. True story: Dati sa Pinoy Exchange meron kaming ka debate noon. If you would see the debates you might swear na magpapatayan kami in case na makita kami. In another thread, na diskubre ko nakatira pala siya sa malapit lang sa akin. So I PMed him and invited for an EB and yun. We discovered we had much more in common. We went to the firing range, we went out with some friends and we became friends. Eventually na realize niya ang mga sinasabi namin and I got to understand his point of views and they actually converged. Gusto lang namin mapabuti ang Pilipinas and we are both working for it. He still espouses his views but he also espouses ours. Nabalanse kung baga. Sometimes I swear kung mag post siya ng messages sa mga boards niya aaakalain ko na ako ang nag post.
Kanto boy Reply:
December 7th, 2009 at 10:41 am
**** ********:
I know it’s you. I did an online search for Pinoy indie film maker na hindi based sa Pinas na gumamit ng kanji – samakatwid, marunong ka maghapon. Ha! Huli ka, you ****er! Ganito lang yan,**** ********, bobo ka at tanga ka.
You’ve wasted time because you don’t use your head tapos puro ka dada dito. The Philippines is a classic case of collective failure. Yes, we have individuals who have succeeded like Manny Pacquiao, Lea Salonga, etc…
But these people represent the exception, not the rule.Why? Because Filipinos have largely been lazy and irrational people.Like you, **** ********. Tingnan mo, nagwala ka. You suddenly exploded in anger here, but you know what? MALI KA. Kasi totoo ang mga blog dito kasi nag-iisip ang mga taong ito. Kahit anumang pagbabali-baligtad ang gagawin mo sa mga articles dito, they’re all true.
Generalizations, by the way, YOU ****ING IDIOT **** ********, refer to MOST members of a sample space, so even if you can find 5% of the sample space that DO NOT MATCH the “generalization”, it does not make the generalization FALSE.
If you say that “generally, Japanese is not a language of the Philippines”, kahit na ba may mga japayuki na marunong maghapon does not change the fact that MOST FILIPINOS don’t speak Japanese and that Japanese is not a language in the Philippines.
You are a real idiot, **** *******. If you really want Filipinos and the PHILIPPINES to improve, use your ****ing brain, you ****ing idiot! Because your anger does you no good. You question the TRUTH?!? **** YOU!
You need to learn to be rational and factual you useless Japayuki!**** ********, get real!——————————and if you don’t get real, **** ********……you are the real ****ing ANTI-PINOY!!
Maghara-kiri ka na, **** ********! You’re hopeless, you’re useless!!
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Guest Reply:
December 7th, 2009 at 10:51 am
Batang Tondo,Generalizations work like this: If you’re wearing a black shirt for instance, even if you have white markings on it or a little of red or some other colors, you still refer to that shirt as black, even while there are obvious parts of it that are of a different color. Generalizations go for the predominant trait or attribute of the collective or thing being described or characterized.BTW, just a suggestion, but if you want to improve Philippine cinema while improving society at the same time, [1] be different by trying to depict rich people as good, virtuous, and masipag, instead of evil and unjust–this is an old and tired scenario that only makes people think being poor is equivalent to being good. Movies provide a model for people to emulate,[2] stop overusing predictable formulas like pinoy telenovelas or movies do,[3] stop overusing regular “heavy drama” (puro iyakan, sampalan, sigawan) & “emotionalism” ad nauseam,[4] start emphasizing progress, perhaps industrial or scientific progress especially in Philippine setting to spark the imagination especially of the youth. (a lot of the CEOs of hi-tech companies in the US had life changing experiences watching such movies, which pretty much set their direction later in life). If you’re really into heroes, why not create a sort of scientist-cum-businessman-industrialist hero like Ironman for instance in Philippine setting. Most, if not all, of our heroes based their powers on “agimats” instead of science.Hoping for success in your cinematic endeavors
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BongV Reply:
December 7th, 2009 at 11:20 am
He can also do documentaries of best practices of Pinoy communities stepping up to the challenge – look for municipalities that are doing the right thing. Or do a factual video documentary on the various presidential candidates.
Give the candidates equal treatment – past performance, platforms, roadblocks, strengths, weaknesses. This is definitely not an interview type of thing. This will be more along the lines of a Michael Moore-esque look at the candidates AND… a hard look at voter’s preferences – what can be done differently in order to achieve different results – empower instead of condoning the victim mentality.
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Batang Tondo
What’s this? You have come and gone and I missed it! Damn this beauty sleep!
Anyway, in case you visit again and I’m not here, I just want to say that you don’t have to say goodbye for good. The boys can be a toughie but they really have a soft heart.
You know with this fiesta thing or the Filipino fondness for fiestas, here’s what I have to say about it:
We got that tradition from the Spaniards. If there is one bad thing we inherited from them it’s the fondness for fiesta (and siesta). We don’t have to keep doing it just because we have been doing it for so long.
If we want to keep the tradition, we should at least tone it down especially now that we’re having a financial crisis. We have to start thinking about the future and save up.
You might say that people with money have the right to party hard because they’ve earned it. The problem is, when poor people see this frequently, the poor might think that the only way to be happy is by having parties as well.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not against parties. I actually enjoy attending one but, a party is a fleeting thing. You organise one for weeks or days and it will last for only a few hours or so and then everybody has to go home. After the party, everyone will experience a post-party let down. You know, this is when you’ve experienced such a high and then you have to go back down to earth thing after. It is quite unsustainable. It can be addictive. People behave differently when they are having a party, it can be a shallow activity and wasteful too. It should not be done excessively especially when you are poor. I don’t know how the rich in the country can even conduct lavish parties when they are surrounded by poverty. But hey, it’s their money. Unfortunately though, the poor emulate them in their own way and then there’s this whole preoccupation with partying all their life.
What we all need, not just Filipinos but everyone who is addicted to the highs of a party or a fiesta, is to find a more sustainable activity which will make life more meaningful. Find a worthy cause (like Efren) or a hobby. We don’t have to be surrounded by people and eating banquets like tomorrow is the end of the world just to feel good about ourselves. At the end of the day, when everyone has left or back in their own little world, we need to be comfortable with ourselves and being on our own. We have to realise that a party cannot make our problems disappear.
So, what can we do? The people with money should lead by example and exercise restraint. They should exhibit simplicity and thriftiness. Then maybe, just maybe, the poor people will follow suit.
I know I make it sound so simple but hey, isn’t it? People just make their lives complicated by having too many parties, really.
Ta-ta
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Mar Rosales Reply:
December 7th, 2009 at 8:46 pm
Para sa lahat, ang mga Pilipino ay hindi bobo at hindi tamad….di ako sang ayon sa sinasabi ng anti-pinoy. Sinasabi nila na umaangkat pa tayo ngayon ng bigas, eh talagang mangyayari un, bakit kamo? Kasi po kung di ba naman ginamit ng administration ang Fertilizer Fund (sa pamamagitan ni Joc Joc Bolante) noong nakaraan eleksyon eh di sana may magandang ani ang mga magsasaka.
Tingnan mo ako, wala nang tumanggap na kumpanya sa akin dahil matanda na raw ako…Bakit ganun eh ang sipag sipag ko pa naman at malakas pa, kayang kaya ko pang mag trabaho. over age na nga lang. Sana mabigyan uli ng pagkakataon ang mga may edad na na makatrabaho pa uli, kung sakaling sila ay nawalan o na “lay off” sa trabaho. Marami pa tayong kababayan na katulad ko. Kaya kayo mag isip isip muna kayo bago nyo husgahan ang ating mga kababayan.
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Kanto boy Reply:
December 7th, 2009 at 9:22 pm
Mar Rosales -
panget kasi ang ekonomy sa pinas, coupled with a huge, rapidly-growing population. Sorry ka na lang Mar Rosales at wala nang tumanggap na kumpanya, but that’s part of the collective failure of Pinoy society.
Kung sana di sobrang daming Pinoy at masipag sana ang KARAMIHAN (hindi lang kakaunti) sa mga Pinoy, eh di maganda sana ang takbo ng ekonomy (provided wala sobrang sub-prime, bad loans ang mga bangko, etc) at may shortage sana ng labor. Bakit maganda ang labor shortage? Kasi ibig sabihin, mas importante ngayon ang mga nagtatrabaho sa mga kumpanya at bibigyan sila ng mas magandang sahod. At ang mga matatanda raw na tulad mo ay makakakuha ng trabaho kasi di ka tatanggihan ng companies kasi nga may labor shortage.
E pano yan, sobrang rapid population growth ang Pinas eh. So ayan, laging outpaced ng population growth ang economic growth, kaya laging more jobseekers than jobs available. Kaya tayo maraming nag-oOFW. kasi walang trabaho sa Pinas.
Ayun, sobrang party at saya, kaya in the end, dumadami ang mga anak. Worse, marami rin ang single parents. Mga disgrasyada, super dami na. BAkit? Kasi sa sobrang hilig magpakasaya sa Wowowee, ang mga batang babae sa squatter ay sinasabihan ng kanilang mga magulang na “anak, magpakasexy ka ha, at baka puede kang mag-apply sa pagiging dancer sa Wowowee.”
(imbes na sabihin nila ay “anak, mag-aral ka ng mabuti para magkaroon ka ng magandang trabaho…”)
Resulta? Dumadami ang mga sexy dancer. At ang mga di natatanggap sa Wowowee, nagiging japayuki at puta at escort at GRO sa mga club in da pilipins and abroad.
Samakatwid: TAMA ang sinabi ng article. Kailangan mong AMININ ang katotohanan. Sobrang bulag ng maraming Pinoy at ayaw aminin na may problema ang ating lipunan dahil sa mga maling attitude at maling ginagawa.
Gising, Pinoy, gising!
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Chino F Reply:
December 7th, 2009 at 10:38 pm
Ang sasabihin din pa ng iba Mr. Mar, is dapat sa tanda niyong niyan, naka kuha kayo ng pension. Kung meron man, buti po yun. Sana di kayo katulad ng daddy ng kaibigan ko na kaysa pension ang pinaggastusan, puro inom, bisyo at barkadahan pinaggastusan. Kaya ayun, malapit nang 70 na taonang edad, kailangan pa ring magtrabaho para magkapera lang. SInayang ang pagkabata.
GabbyD Reply:
December 7th, 2009 at 9:55 pm
@mar
well, according to the people here, u should stop being lazy and stop partying.
thats enough to get a job.
tama ba sila mar?
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Hsing Tao Reply:
December 7th, 2009 at 10:35 pm
Making strawmen. Oversimplifying what the article states and misrepresenting it as the main idea. Your styles are very old GabbyD. Style mo bulok na.
GabbyD Reply:
December 7th, 2009 at 10:50 pm
excuse me? thats exactly what the article is about. thats what everyone here has been saying.
1) pinoys are lazy (read kanto boy’s comments)
2) pinoys party too much.
read the title of the post too — BIG CLUE there.
Guest Reply:
December 7th, 2009 at 11:07 pm
Hihi… aside from “stop being lazy and stop partying” I see that you also miss “stop being stupid” (refer to his examples.)
Actually, the author is more concerned with just too much partying. The underlying message is for Pinoys to aim to become more productive & contribute to the economy rather than squander their time on self-indulgent activities which doesn’t do much to move the country forward.
GabbyD Reply:
December 7th, 2009 at 11:10 pm
@guest
of course, how can i forget…
the top 3 conclusions:
1) stop being lazy
2) stop partying too much
3) stop being stupid..
ayan! thats how u get a job.
Maia Reply:
December 7th, 2009 at 11:18 pm
KARAMIHAN, GABBYD. HINDI LAHAT. You assume too much and it’s always wrong.
My god, how old are you? If you’re older than me and depending on that kind of logic, I’m rather embarrassed. Did you ever stop to think that A PINOY WROTE THE ARTICLE? There are quite a lot of things that piss me off and one of them is people older than me thinking like a juvenile. Your habit of missing the point is just as bad as the teenage girls who swear that Twilight is the most awesome piece of literature they’ve ever read in spite of the author’s writing ability being as tasteful as unwashed socks.
If it’s not missing the point with you, it’s sarcasm AND missing the point. AGAIN. Do you like doing this to yourself? I don’t think anybody here will ever agree with you, no matter how many times you show up to display your amazing talent of missing the points.
GabbyD Reply:
December 7th, 2009 at 11:37 pm
so mali si kantoboy?
ginagaya ko lang naman ang formulation nya ah!
Kanto boy Reply:
December 7th, 2009 at 11:57 pm
HEY YOU MOTHER ****ING IDIOT, GABBY D!!!
TANGA KA TALAGA!
Someone should beat the crap out of you!!!
Putanginamo!!!
You know GabbyD, it’s the collective failure of Pinoy Society that is the problem. So many Mar Rosales is hard-working. Well, tough luck!
Far too many other Filipinos aren’t that hardworking, so instead, the Philippine Economy is unfortunately not strong enough to keep expanding in order to absorb Mar Rosales the hard working man.
Why?
Because if Mar Rosales is AN EXCEPTION TO THE RULE (rule = generalization) and thus most other people are lazy or party animals, the productivity level of their work does not create high performance results that would improve the entire Philippine Economy to justify expansions and new hiring. One man – Mar Rosales – can’t do it alone. It has to be MOST Filipinos. And in fact, it has to be more than 80% of all working and employed Filipinos working their asses off to create a strong economy in order to create more opportunities for everyone else.
Kaya hindi ito bashing individuals like Mar Rosales, but rather bashing MOST ORDINARY PINOYS na puro party at fun ang inatupag. Kasi dahil sa kanila, nahirapan tuloy ang mga hard-working individuals tulad ni Mar Rosales dahil tamad sila.
Imbes na maraming kumpanya sa Pinas, doon sila pumupunta sa China o Vietnam kung saan mas masisipag ang mga tao kasi mas attractive doon para sa kanila. E kung sa Pinas sila, ang nakikita nilang mga nagtatrabaho e puro party at fun ang inatupag, kaya ayaw nila sa Pinas.
Nadamay tuloy si Mar Rosales sa katamaran at kagaguhan nila.
Ikaw, GabbyD, tanga ka kasi di mo nacoconnect ang mga SUPER OBVIOUS FACTS at gumagawa ka pa ng excuse para sa katamaran ng maraming mga Pilipinong walang ginawa kundi magpasaya at mag-party.
And party doesn’t always just mean birthday party. It means just having fun, tagay, inuman, happy-happy, lazing around, and not doing real work most of the time.
That’s the problem, see, Gabby D?
Stop being a ****ing idiot, OK?!?
Kanto boy Reply:
December 7th, 2009 at 11:59 pm
GabbyD,
Yes, Pinoys are generally LAZY. That doesn’t mean “ALL” Pinoys are lazy. It means MOST are. It also means that even Pinoys who are WORKING aren’t doing work all the time, but are always chit-chatting and making chismis/kwentuhan.
So there you go, YOU ****ING DIMWIT.
Now eat **** and die!!!
GabbyD Reply:
December 8th, 2009 at 12:14 am
wow kanto ang gulo! thats the problem when you make broad generalizations…may nadadamay…
sino ba ang lazy? maybe you have specific people so that its not so, uhm… broad…
sabi mo dati mga istambay. sila lang ba?
so i asked: “so when the author says “party”, ang ibig sabihin nya ay inuman ng mga istambay”
you said.. @ December 7th, 2009 at 2:26 am
Any kind of fun, you idiot!
Filipinos are “partying all the time” is a way of saying na puro aliw at libangan lang ang inaatupag ng mga Pilipino. Doesn’t mean all Pinoys go to Embassy or Ascend or have birthday parties in their house all the time.
so hindi lang istambay… Filipinos in general?
ang gulo!
ilda Reply:
December 8th, 2009 at 4:31 am
@ Mar Rosales
Sabi mo:
Pero:
Sino ba sa palagay mo ang bumoto sa mga nakaupo na public officials? Diba mga Filipino din?
Walang mang-bibiktima kung walang nag-papabiktima.
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here’s an idea…
since the blog has just identified the 3 top reasons for povery, people can run on this platform…
pinoy — tanga ka kasi , kaya ka mahirap!
pinoy — ang tamad mo! tigilan mo na yan!
pinoy — tama nang pag-iinom… mag trabaho ka na!
wow, that’ll really work!
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GabbyD Reply:
December 7th, 2009 at 11:14 pm
hmmm..
an obvious problem arises…
1) pinoys are too stupid to understand this tagline
2) pinoys are too lazy to read it
3) pinoys are too hung over to care
gotta get back to the drawing board then!
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Guest Reply:
December 7th, 2009 at 11:31 pm
It won’t work unless you actually try it and keep on trying. Simple lang di ba? You want a more complicated solution?
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GabbyD Reply:
December 7th, 2009 at 11:34 pm
according to good old B0, its useless to even try guest….
wow, looks like we’ve locked ourselves into a corner
1) either the broad generalizations are true so we cant do anything about it
2) or they are false, and you can do something about it…
which is it peeps!?
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Guest Reply:
December 7th, 2009 at 11:38 pm
I see your false dichotomy. The broad generalizations can be true, BUT we can do something about it. This “something” is what we call “change“
GabbyD Reply:
December 7th, 2009 at 11:44 pm
exactly! change…
1) stop being lazy
2) stop partying too much
3) stop being stupid
change!
too bad they are too darn lazy…
Guest Reply:
December 7th, 2009 at 11:54 pm
So no lazy people can or will change? Is that your excuse?
Kanto boy Reply:
December 8th, 2009 at 12:10 am
YOU ARE STUPID, GABBY D!!!
****ing tambay!!!
No one said that it’s hopeless. What makes it hopeless is MOTHER****ERS LIKE YOU!
Guess what. If Filipinos realized that this laziness and partying-too-much bit was getting us nowhere and in fact contributing to our lack of economic progress, thereby making us more corrupt (bad economic prospects do make people do immoral things just to make ends meet), then Pinoys WOULD CHANGE.
But you see, GABBY ****ING D, ****s like you who don’t know squat are DENYING that Pinoy Society has a problem that needs to be fixed.
If you convince everyone to DENY that we need to fix ourselves (get rid of stupidity, laziness, excuses-making like what you do, being blind to reality) and everyone DOES DENY that we all have a real problem, then NO ONE WILL FIX THE PROBLEM. People will think everything is fine, people lwill continue to be lazy, people will continue to just party.
BUT IF YOU ADMIT that there are problems, and if MOST OTHER FILIPINOS also ADMIT that laziness is not good, Filipinos are unfortunately generally lazy, and many Filipinos do a lot of stupid things, and that these are the causes for our chronic poverty and lack of progress, then guess what:
FILIPINOS WILL CHANGE.
But Filipinos won’t change if you (and others) DON’T ADMIT IT IN THE FIRST PLACE!
Sabi nga ng isang ex-drug addict… The first step into getting clean is ACKNOWLEDGING THAT YOU ARE DIRTY and that YOU NEED HELP.
If you think the life of a junkie is just fine with you, then you won’t want to get therapy and get cleaned up.
But if you ADMIT that you are a junkie and that life as a junkie SUCKS, then you will decide to make steps.
It’s that simple.
BUT THEN AGAIN, GABBY D, YOU ARE A ****ING GODDAMNED PUTANINGA IDIOT so you like to lie to yourself and to the public and twist words and make STUPID EXCUSES to justify laziness and stupidity,
…so you ****ing deserve to DIE.
Eat **** and DIE, GABBY D!
But if you ADMIT that you were wrong and admit that Filipinos need to change and get rid of stupidity, laziness, and too much partying, and get serious about fixing this country, then congratulations, I can be your friend.
But until you do that, I will hunt you down and when I find you, I will torture you until you offer to EAT YOUR DICK so that I stop the pain!!
Eat **** and DIE, GabbyD!!!
GabbyD Reply:
December 8th, 2009 at 12:18 am
yes lazy people! stop being lazy… please?
BabyFats Reply:
December 8th, 2009 at 6:10 am
Hello Gabby,
Grabe naman yung pagtrato sa yo ni kanto boy… Potty mouth nga talaga siya. Siya nga pala, maybe you might want to share some insights you have that cause you to disagree with the people who writer for this blog. Ako, I don’t agree with everything, and in fact, medyo masakit magsalita si Rafterman.
But in a way, it makes sense. Now, from what I see, parang tutol ka talaga sa lahat ng sinasabi dito. From my end, their point of view actually makes sense so even if I want to go against it kasi nga masakit ang pagkasabi ni Rafterman, I have no choice but to agree because it honestly matches what I observe in the squatter areas and in the provinces.
Tingin ko, maybe you have your own inner thoughts and reason on why you are opposing them. Care to share with us why?
And while you’re at it, baka naman you have special skills or knowledge that you have gained that can shed light on why you see things differently from how Rafterman and most of the people here see things.
Ano po ba ang background niyo, Sir Gabby? Are you a sociologist? An anthropologist? A psychologist? Kasi Sir Gabs, baka naman may specialized kayong alam na bagay that makes you take on a different opinion from these people. Medyo they seem to be a little no-holds barred in being very frank and undiplomatic about telling the ugly facts as they are, but so far, I myself can’t find anything solid to use against their arguments.
Care to share with everyone some insights that can help me understand your point of view? Malay mo, you might be able to convince me and I might actually take your side against them. Help me help you, Sir Gabs.
GabbyD Reply:
December 8th, 2009 at 12:43 pm
@babyfats
apart from the swearing, they can have whatever opinion they want to have.
same with you babyfats.
do you agree with
1)filipinos are lazy
2) filipinosparty too much
3) filipinos are stupid
do you agree? note that YOU are a filipino also.
if you DO NOT agree, but think that some people are, say it straight. say: “My friends are lazy, party too much and are stupid”. or say ” priests are lazy, party… etc”
why hide under generalizations?
tell it straight!
1) WHO IS lazy?
2) WHO parties too much
3) WHO are stupid?
Indeed, Mr GabbyD, you’ve stumbled upon a succinct way to describe Da Pinoy Condition — that vicious cycle of poverty within which Da Pinoy has imprisoned himself in. Once you jump into the bandwagon of laziness, stupidity, and short-sighted gratification aspirations, it will take GENERATIONS before the Condition can be eradicated from the society and its culture.
You should congratulate yourself for the journey of insight which AntiPinoy.com is proud to have facilitated for you.
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GabbyD Reply:
December 7th, 2009 at 11:32 pm
i know! what an incredibly convenient (or inconvenient) state of events!
too bad pinoys, no hope for you!
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GabbyD Reply:
December 7th, 2009 at 11:35 pm
or maybe the generalizations are wrong, and its not a prison…
hmmm! which could it be?!
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Kanto boy Reply:
December 8th, 2009 at 12:11 am
You’re the one who’s WRONG, ****head!
Kanto boy Reply:
December 8th, 2009 at 12:15 am
No hope for you, GABBY D.
But there is hope for Pinoys…
…IF PINOYS ADMIT that we Pinoys have generally been lazy, and also admit that LAZINESS IS BAD.
That’s the first step.
But you’re hopeless, Gabby D.
You’re like the junkie drug addict who continues to be in denial and says “No, I’m not an addict, I’m just a user! User doesn’t mean addict! See, I’m not dependent, I can shoot now and it doesn’t make difference if I shoot later or tomorrow…”
GANYAN KA KAGAGO, GABBYD
Eat **** and DIE, mother****er!
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benign0 Reply:
December 7th, 2009 at 11:35 pm
People with “no hope” usually are the ones that lack the imagination to envision a different path that will lead to different results.
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GabbyD Reply:
December 7th, 2009 at 11:42 pm
sadly, pinoys wont understand you. they are lazy you see?
or are they? hmmm…
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Kanto boy Reply:
December 8th, 2009 at 12:13 am
Lazy and afraid to admit the truth.
But you know what? If a Lazy person sees that LAZINESS IS VERY BAD and LAZINESS IS THE CAUSE OF HIS FAILURE, he actually COULD FIX HIMSELF and stop being lazy.
But the first step, you mother****ing idiot GABBY D, is to ADMIT that they are lazy and that laziness is bad.
GabbyD Reply:
December 8th, 2009 at 12:16 am
oh, laziness is horrible! oh, just horrible!
Chino F Reply:
December 8th, 2009 at 1:37 am
Yep, they are lazy… and they’re wondering why they’re poor or in the dumps. hahaha. They should get a life.
Guest Reply:
December 8th, 2009 at 1:57 am
So GabbyD, do you have a better socio-economic theory perhaps that would throw light on the pinoy condition? You know that economic theories rest on certain assumptions regarding human social behaviour right? (i.e. while the mathematical aspects may be rigorous, when applied to concrete cases, economics require said social behavioral assumptions) Human behavior cannot be totally reduced to something totally quantifiable and calculable–Even statistics has its limits.
BabyFats Reply:
December 8th, 2009 at 6:26 am
Hello Sir Gabby,
Sir, baka po meron po kayong puedeng i-share na thoughts and analysis niyo rito on why you disagree with the ideas expressed here. As I said, ako mismo, initially ayaw kong aminin ang sinasabi ni Rafterman, but after reading it thrice, nakuha ko ang katotohanan na sinasabi niya, and I actually agree.
I don’t agree with how he says it kasi nga medyo masakit siya magsalita, pero tingin ko po style niya lang yun para makakuha ng ng attention. Tutal, part of the reason you write something shocking is to create just enough controversy to attract attention, hindi po ba?
Anyway Sir, I would be very interested to understand your reasons for opposing and disagreeing, kasi nga Sir, kita ko na talagang tinututulan niyo ang point of view ni Rafterman and his friends. Medyo it appears not to make sense, Sir, kasi nga ako po sir, dito ako sa may Bocaue nakatira so I see all this everyday. Talagang andaming mga ka-edad kong dapat college ay nag-stop di naman dahil kulang sa pera, kundi dahil nawaldas po nila sa pagpupunta sa Guilly’s Tomas Morato yung pang-tuition na pinadala ng mga magulang nilang nasa Saudi.
Grabe nga Sir, kasi hindi naman po sila mayaman and they are going every night to Guilly’s Morato near ABS-CBN para lang magtoma, at yung ibang mga babae pong dati kong kaibigan, sobra magsuot ng sexy na damit tapos mukhang naghahanap lang sila ng mayamang boyfriend na taga-Maynila. Lagi po silang nagluluwas so it costs money, tapos puro sila taxi. Everyday pa.
Maganda siguro Sir, you share with us your knowledge in whatever field or endeavor you are specialized in. Ano po ba ang specialty niyo, sociology, Sir?
Sir, baka naman po meron kayong special knowledge na di alam ng mga tao dito. Please share naman.
Saan po ba kayo dito sa Pilipinas, Sir Gabs? Siguro naman Sir nakikita niyo rin po ang mga nakikita ko with my own eyes.
Hsing Tao Reply:
December 8th, 2009 at 6:34 am
Yes, they are lazy. GabbyD must think he is so witty. Every post he makes only makes him look dumber though.
Kanto boy Reply:
December 8th, 2009 at 6:55 am
GabbyDodo!! You are the stupidest person in the world!
Where did you go to school, ha? Sa Leopoldo Salcedo Memorial College? HA?
Ang bobo mo talaga, Gabby Dodo!!!
GabbyD Reply:
December 8th, 2009 at 12:38 pm
@babyfats
i dont know your friends, so i cant say anything about their behavior.
i just see the people around me, and thats what i observe.
the problem with this post is simple.
ang problem ng pinoy ay:
1)lazyiness
2) too much partying
3) stupidity
here’s my question, baby:
if you think that your friends behavior, and your collective experience with the filipino people makes you think 1-3 is correct, then you are FREE to do so.
do you?
i don’t think this is true, based on my experience.
BabyFats Reply:
December 8th, 2009 at 1:26 pm
Sir GabbyD,
I already posted the following answer in another post where you ask it. So I copy it here kasi ayoko na pong mag-retype.
Because I am a Filipino in the Philippines, nakikita ko po yung kapaligiran ko eh. Medyo mahirap pagtaguan ang araw-araw kong nakikita.
Eto sir ang mga sinabi:
1) GENERALLY filipinos are lazy
2) GENERALLY filipinos party too much
3) GENERALLY filipinos are stupid
Dahil may word na “GENERALLY”, agree po ako kasi di naman nila nilalahat eh. Kasi totoo naman Sir based on my own observations. Take note Sir, nasa probinsya ako nakatira so talagang kitang-kita ko ang katotohanang yan.
Yung number 1, sobrang obvious dito sa probinsya.
NO CHOICE, I must AGREE: mas marami ang mga nakikita kong tamad than there are masipag people.
Yung number 2, ako mismo nakikita ko yun with my own eyes.
NO CHOICE, I must AGREE: Andami kong friends from grade school at high school na hindi naman mayaman, at mga OFW sa mababang uri ng trabaho ang mga magulang nila sa Middle East, pero lagi po nilang winawaldas ang perang pinapadala ng parents nila sa mga luho at pagpupunta sa bar. Hindi na nga po sila pumapasok sa school kasi ang pang-tuition nila naubos sa luho at bar. Puro QC pa ang mga pinupuntahan nila at halos araw-araw pa!
Yung number 3, tingnan mo nalang ang elections sa Pinas, pinipili ang mga celebrity na wala namang alam, just because they’re sikat.
NO CHOICE, I must AGREE: Nanalo po si Erap na alam naman nating kulang ang pinag-aralan.
So eto na lang ang tanong, Sir, ano po yung reason kung bakit po kayo kumokontra sa sinasabi nilang observations nila? Kasi naman po Sir, I live in the province. I’m in Bocaue. And I see all this things. So I really cannot disagree kasi po totoo po ang nakikita ko, and I have seen this all the time ever since I was born.
Kayo po Sir, taga-saan po kayo dito ngayon mismo? Kasi naman Sir, baka naman sa maganda kayong village nakatira at puro naman mga masisipag, di mahilig sa party, at puro matatalino ang mga tao sa tinitirhan niyo. Wala naman Sir, just trying to see your point of view. Tell us your perspective. Maybe it’s one-sided or maybe it’s base on a specific elite locale na baka naman Sir hindi po siya representative of the typical Philippine setting.
I mean no offense Sir, just asking lang talaga sir.
Basta ako po Sir, I live in a very typical Filipino neighborhood in a very typical Filipino setting kasi naman Sir probinsya po ang lugar namin.
Sir, mag-share naman po kayo ng side niyo kung bakit di po kayo sang-ayon sa observations nila. As I said, I have no choice but to agree kasi naman po sir yun mismo ang aking personal experience and observation.
Ano po ang background ninyo, Sir? Are you a social scientist or anthropologist? Please naman share, Sir.
manice Reply:
December 8th, 2009 at 2:39 pm
hey, wag naman lahatin kasi maraming pinoys nakapunta sa ibang bansa at naging successful sa kani kanilang profession because of their hard work.
Chino F Reply:
December 9th, 2009 at 2:07 am
Manice,
Tapos ang naiiwan dito, mga tamad, doncha think?
I agree na di naman every Pinoy tamad… pero karamihan is still accurate for me. Saka may mga tamad din na nagaabroad at hindi successful. MInsan, nagiging kahihiyan ng bansa, tulad ng isang Pinoy na nahuling nag-smuggle ng liquor in Saudi. May masisipag naman na naiwan sa homeland, pero sinapawan sila ng mga tamad.
TAMA! sumasangayon ako sa inyong pananaw. Maraming mga PiLipino ang kuntento na Lang sa anong meron siLa. Marami din ang mahiLig magpasikat kaya mas inuubos ang pera para Lamang doon, katuLad na Lamang ng mga party. Masyado din mapagbigay ang maraming PiLipino, oo hindi masamang magbigay. Pero dapat isipin din ang paraan ng pagbibigay ng hindi mistuLang nagiging aLipin na ng mga tinutuLungan. tsk. Aim high Pinoy! hindi pa huLi ang Lahat! dapat mga kabataan na katuLad ko ang nagbabasa ng sanaysay na kagaya nito. Kaya Lang, may panahon pa kaya siLang basahin ang mga bagay na ito kung ang purpose ng internet sa kaniLa ay para Lamang sa Laro? tsk.
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Didn’t you ever think that RELIGION also causes the country’s problems of poverty?
The CHURCH just preach but they don’t even really do something for the people.
They just talk but no action has been done.
Think about the population explosion in this country as the world’s #13 most populous country!
http://alainsojourner.typepad.com/
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@babyfats
apart from the swearing, they can have whatever opinion they want to have.
same with you babyfats.
do you agree with
1)filipinos are lazy
2) filipinosparty too much
3) filipinos are stupid
do you agree? note that YOU are a filipino also.
if you DO NOT agree, but think that some people are, say it straight. say: “My friends are lazy, party too much and are stupid”. or say ” priests are lazy, party… etc”
why hide under generalizations?
tell it straight!
1) WHO IS lazy?
2) WHO parties too much
3) WHO are stupid?
PS: thanks for wanting to help me.
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BabyFats Reply:
December 8th, 2009 at 1:17 pm
Sir GabbyD,
Because I am a Filipino in the Philippines, nakikita ko po yung kapaligiran ko eh. Medyo mahirap pagtaguan ang araw-araw kong nakikita.
Eto sir ang mga sinabi:
1) GENERALLY filipinos are lazy
2) GENERALLY filipinos party too much
3) GENERALLY filipinos are stupid
Dahil may word na “GENERALLY”, agree po ako kasi di naman nila nilalahat eh. Kasi totoo naman Sir based on my own observations. Take note Sir, nasa probinsya ako nakatira so talagang kitang-kita ko ang katotohanang yan.
Yung number 1, sobrang obvious dito sa probinsya.
NO CHOICE, I must AGREE: mas marami ang mga nakikita kong tamad than there are masipag people.
Yung number 2, ako mismo nakikita ko yun with my own eyes.
NO CHOICE, I must AGREE: Andami kong friends from grade school at high school na hindi naman mayaman, at mga OFW sa mababang uri ng trabaho ang mga magulang nila sa Middle East, pero lagi po nilang winawaldas ang perang pinapadala ng parents nila sa mga luho at pagpupunta sa bar. Hindi na nga po sila pumapasok sa school kasi ang pang-tuition nila naubos sa luho at bar. Puro QC pa ang mga pinupuntahan nila at halos araw-araw pa!
Yung number 3, tingnan mo nalang ang elections sa Pinas, pinipili ang mga celebrity na wala namang alam, just because they’re sikat.
NO CHOICE, I must AGREE: Nanalo po si Erap na alam naman nating kulang ang pinag-aralan.
So eto na lang ang tanong, Sir, ano po yung reason kung bakit po kayo kumokontra sa sinasabi nilang observations nila? Kasi naman po Sir, I live in the province. I’m in Bocaue. And I see all this things. So I really cannot disagree kasi po totoo po ang nakikita ko, and I have seen this all the time ever since I was born.
Kayo po Sir, taga-saan po kayo dito? Kasi naman Sir, baka naman sa maganda kayong village nakatira at puro naman mga masisipag, di mahilig sa party, at puro matatalino ang mga tao sa tinitirhan niyo. Wala naman Sir, just trying to see your point of view.
Basta ako po Sir, I live in a very typical Filipino neighborhood in a very typical Filipino setting.
Sir, mag-share naman po kayo ng side niyo kung bakit di po kayo sang-ayon sa observations nila. As I said, I have no choice but to agree kasi naman po sir yun mismo ang aking personal experience and observation.
Ano po ang background ninyo, Sir? Are you a social scientist or anthropologist? Please share, Sir.
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GabbyD Reply:
December 8th, 2009 at 2:46 pm
great! you agree with them.
you are free to do so.
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BabyFats Reply:
December 8th, 2009 at 2:58 pm
Sir GabbyD,
I don’t agree with them.
I agree with the Truth. I agree with what I have seen. Remember po, nasa Bocaue, Bulacan po ako, which is rural Philippines and is more representing the real Philippines.
Kayo po Sir, please give me some real information on your point of view kung bakit po ninyo dine-deny ang tunay na nangyayari sa Pilipinas. Ako Sir, I’m open-minded enough to try to understand your point of view. As I mention earlier, baka naman Sir doon kayo sa mga gated villages ng mga mayayaman galing so puro perfect ang nakikita niyo.
Just reminding you Sir, mukhang mas buo ang nakikita ko dito sa Pilipinas kesa sa inyo if that’s the case. Please just confirm with everyone Sir, kung saang baranggay po kayo dito sa Pinas ngayon mismo.
GabbyD Reply:
December 8th, 2009 at 2:53 pm
you can believe it, no problem baby!
you can add the word generally there, if you want.
if you know of SPECIFIC GROUPS of pinoys that are 1-3, go ahead, name them.
that would be better, right? to be SPECIFIC?
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GabbyD Reply:
December 8th, 2009 at 2:55 pm
specifically, you can call ang mga ka-edad mo sa hometown mo as 1-3…
you would be uniquely suited to do that. go ahead.
BabyFats Reply:
December 8th, 2009 at 3:05 pm
Sir Gabby, mukhang napadoble yata kayo. Next time, isahin niyo na lang ang sagot niyo.
By the way, Sir, hindi lang kasi yung mga ka-edad ko yung mga ganun eh. They are the most visible examples na close sa akin, but in my area here in Bocaue, Sir, pati mga taong ka-edad ng parents ko maraming tamad at puro pangungutang ang ginagawa.
Sir Gabriel, please answer my questions, po. I’m being as patient as can be at gusto ko lang malaman kung ano po ang pinanggalingan ninyong background at bakit mukhang hindi po kayo exposed sa tunay na Pilipinas.
Sir, lumaki po ba kayo sa Pilipinas? Or nakapag-punta po ba kayo sa mga barrio sa mga probinsya? Kasi Sir, baka naman puro mayayaman na galing top schools o kaya taga Phil-Sci kayo mismo at ganung tipo lang ang mga ka-socio ninyo.
I’m not saying it is wrong, Sir, I just want to understand your background and point of view.
Tsaka Sir, are you a sociologist or anthropologist? Kasi naman Sir, baka nga meron po kayong theories na alam na hindi po namin alam at baka maari niyo pong i-share sa amin ang mga naaalam niyo.
Sir naman, puro naman kasi kayo tutol at disagree, pero wala pa po kayong binibigay na explanation kung bakit kayo nagdidisagree sa napaka-obvious na katotohanan.
GabbyD Reply:
December 8th, 2009 at 3:15 pm
hmm… i am not a scientist.
i’m just a typical college-educated filipino.
you can believe what you want. as can i, would u agree?
GabbyD Reply:
December 8th, 2009 at 3:16 pm
hindi naman ako tumutultol eh.
in fact, if you agree with them, great! if not, fine also!
BabyFats Reply:
December 8th, 2009 at 3:47 pm
Sir Gabby,
Ano pong trabaho niyo at field of specialization? As I said, importante sa akin na malaman ang background niyo para maintindihan ang reason why you are not admitting the obvious observations.
So hindi po kayo Scientist, pero ano naman po ang major niyo sa college, Sir? As I said, yung field of specialization niyo po may influence your point of view.
Ako kasi Sir, I don’t want to believe. I want to know. Ayoko pong kesyo gusto mong paniwalaan ang isang bagay o hindi, para sa akin, dapat alam ko ang isang bagay. So for me, it’s based on observation. Kung panget ang nakikita ko at ayaw ko ang nakikita ko, I just have to accept kasi ganun nga ang nakikita ko. Ngayon kung talagang ayaw ko nga siya, I can try to change it.
Kayo po ba Sir, kung may nakita kayong bulaklak na kulay violet pero red ang gusto niyo, sasabihin po ba ninyo na red ang bulaklak na yon, dahil yon po ang gusto niyo? Diba Sir hindi?
Ganun din po sa akin. Totoo po ang mga observations about Filipinos in general (yung 1,2, and 3) and wala po akong pakialam sa mga may ari ng website na ‘to. In fact ang observations ko don’t agree with them. My observations agree with reality. Yun po ang sa akin.
So tanong ko Sir, bakit po kayo laging tumututol sa mga observations nila e totoo naman ang sinasabi nila based on reality and actual observations.
Sir, please answer the questions: ano po ang background niyo (at trabaho) at nasaan po kayo mismo dito sa Philippines?
Sir, importante pong malaman ko kung nasaan po kayo rito at ano po ang background niyo kasi nga Sir doon ko lang maiintindihan kung ano po ang point of view ninyo. Feel free to add anything else. Baka kasi Sir may masamang nangyari sa inyo or na-trauma kayo which is why parang hindi po kayo mapa-amin sa katotohanan.
Paki-sagot lang please: background (job/college major) and location. Thanks, Sir Gabriel!
GabbyD Reply:
December 8th, 2009 at 3:57 pm
if you feel 1-3 is true, go ahead!
hhmm…
now i’m curious…
how can this help you? lets say i answer, makati, marketing, call center agent?
what does that tell you?
or if i say, mandaluyong, accounting, accounting…
what does that tell you?
BabyFats Reply:
December 8th, 2009 at 9:35 pm
Hello Sir GabbyD,
I don’t feel 1-3 is true. I observe it as true. Hindi ito based on feeling or based on gusto. This is what I see all the time. Everywhere I go, yan ang nakikita ko: katamaran, puro hilig sa goodtime, at kabobohan. Actually nga, even when I go to Manila, I see all of that, especially doon sa may Sampaloc. My cousin lives in Dos Castillas lapit sa Forbes (now called AH Lacson) at Espana, at paglumuluwas ako, doon ako sa kanila. Same thing ang nakikita ko around the neighborhood. So it’s not feeling Sir GabbyD, it’s true observation.
Anyway, you are asking how can it help me? Well, Sir Gabby, if you tell me where you live and what you do and maybe where you went to high school and college, then siguro I can have a better idea.
Kasi naman Sir Gabby, baka sosyal po kayo at puro mayayaman ang mga ka-sosyo niyo. Baka naman kasi your friends and everyone around you is all very high quality kasi nga ganun sa mga gated subdivision na pang-mayaman.
So Sir Gabby, if you answer me that you are an investment broker, who went to Ateneo, and live in Dasmarinas Village in Makati, then at least you can give me an idea of why you are not able to observe the obivious truth that everyone see in the Philippines. Kasi Sir, mga small isolated pockets of kaayusan ang mga gated communities na yan. Eh kung dito ka sa Bocaue sa may amin, iba talaga ang makikita niyo.
Please be specific Sir Gabby. Here are the questions:
- Where did you grow up? (Baranggay/Village, District, City, Country)
- Where are you now? (Baranggay/Village, District, City, Country)
- What is your training/major? (exact course in college and specialization)
- What is your job now? (profession, what exactly you do, what company)
- Where did you go to high school and college? (name of high school and college)
Ang mga ito Sir, are helpful to me, kasi kung nasagot niyo po ang mga yan na hindi po kayo nagsisinungaling, then I can make a better assessment of why you don’t accept the obvious facts in the Philippines. I’m not judging you, but I just want to know your point of view.
It’s like a person asking another person who refuses to go near any dogs or cats at all, “why are you afraid of dogs and cats?” Malay mo, yung may phobia, nagkaphobia kasi nakagat siya noong bata siya. Or siguro may kaibigan siyang nakagat ng aso at nagka-rabies tapos namatay.
Hindi po ba relevant ang mga tinatanong ko? Kasi nga Sir, I want to know where you are coming from. Kasi nga parang hindi niyo pa kasi nakikita ang mga sinasabi sa article eh, but most people in the Philippines can see that. Yung mga iba kasi, nagbubulag-bulagan lang.
I just want to know kung ano ba talaga ang reason for your denial of the truth. Please answer my questions, para naman I can make a fair assessment of your background instead of dismissing you as “may diperensya.”
Fair?
@kanto, guest, etc
so, NOW, we say that lazy people WILL change once they know the truth?
ok. so they arent LAZY. they are misinformed.
ano ba tlga, kuya?
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Guest Reply:
December 8th, 2009 at 1:37 pm
A couple of salient points:
[1] Generalizations (as I have explained to Batang Tondo) take the [predominant] effects of the collective not necessarily each and every individual or member of that collective. Let me clarify it with 3 examples:
In other words, the exceptions do not negate the predominant trait or rule of the collective. It is the collective end-result that we are characterizing.
The Pinoy collective is the issue here and not individual pinoys (you have to comprehend the gist of the message,) that’s why a careful distinction is being made between collective accomplishments and individual accomplishments.
[2] Laziness is not just a matter of misinformation, it is a matter of decision to act upon that information. There are people who should know better but still do pretty stupid things, until they decide to change. It is also a matter of will or persuasion and not only intellect or knowledge.
If you’re referring to pinoy OFWs, they tend to be masipag because they are forced by a foreign culture, but we are referring to Pinoys mostly in the PI.
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GabbyD Reply:
December 8th, 2009 at 2:45 pm
yes, i agree with your definition of generalization.
even if not ALL pinoys fall under that 1-3, most individuals do — acording to you, diba?
correct?
yes, i also agree that laziness is not just a matter of misinformation.
but as you said: “There are people who should know better but still do pretty stupid things, until they decide to change.”
here’s a question: when/if they decide to change, are they lazy?
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GabbyD Reply:
December 8th, 2009 at 2:55 pm
maybe they are half-lazy? half willing to work to change?
Guest Reply:
December 8th, 2009 at 4:33 pm
In fact, that is why authors like these write these kinds of articles. They believe that if one calls attention to those flaws Pinoys have and are made to be accountable for them, then hopefully, Pinoys would eventually change.
GabbyD Reply:
December 8th, 2009 at 4:50 pm
so is this a special kind of lazy?
the kind of lazy that stops becoming lazy because of new information?
and you say that this kind of lazy isnt called “lack of information”? its called… something else?
Filo Reply:
December 11th, 2009 at 5:14 pm
Perhaps a preoccupation with what sort of lazy you’d like to call it is an exercise in futility. What does make sense about what you’ve just said is that yes, once a person acts on a problem of which he has been made fully aware, he stops being lazy (unless he fails on his first few tries and reverts back to old behaviour).
The thing with what you’ve just said is this – presence of new information alone doesn’t necessarily get people moving unless they acknowledge this newfound information. Some truths would be staring people in the face and still they’d be in denial because it’s outside an established comfort zone for them.
So people with a genuine desire to do better can actually shed their laziness, though we can also expect that to save face, some Pinoys will deny ever being lazy in the first place. (That’s really up to them, and it’s not the issue here.)
GabbyD Reply:
December 8th, 2009 at 2:51 pm
you may want to work on better examples tho…
specifically:
“If a brick wall is 9 feet it doesn’t mean that each and every brick that makes up that wall is 9 feet. They may be just 5 inches taken individually, but collectively, they make a 9 feet brick wall.”
its the wall that 9 feet, not the bricks. this is not generalization.
“In fact the monitor of the computer that you look at is made up of only Red, Green, & Blue pixels, but taken together they can form practically every color of the spectrum and shades of gray, in spite of the fact that they individually only fall within those 3 basic colors”
this is not generalization either. the individual color characteristics of RG and B disappear when you use RGB together — i.e. they form OTHER colors. same with CMYK color style.
unless you mean, that individuals disappear when you consider a nation, or a race? iba na yan!
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Guest Reply:
December 8th, 2009 at 3:56 pm
If “brick wall” confuses you, then try a “pile of bricks” or simply “those bricks,” the same way we refer to those Pinoys or simply dropping “those” or even “most” and simply saying “Pinoys“–this is also along the same lines as “Americans voted for Obama as President” which is true in that sense, even when we know for a fact that many also did not vote for Obama. It is a collective act in other words.
The RGB colors never disappear. They are still and always there, but you’re talking from the point of view of the person looking at the monitor. Individuals do not disappear, but their collective efforts (or lack thereof) result in a predominant trait.
GabbyD Reply:
December 8th, 2009 at 4:39 pm
if its a pile of bricks, then
1) its not a wall
2) its not a wall that is 9 fit high
a pile of bricks is a different entity than each constituent brick.
if you want to describe the individual bricks, go ahead and do so. hence i agree with your first example, if you want to call them red bricks, even if they are not perfectly red, thats fine.
yes, i’m talking about the individual who looks at it. there is no other POV.
Guest Reply:
December 8th, 2009 at 5:01 pm
Nope, in fact, a “pile of bricks” can form & be called a “wall of bricks” or even a “wall of bricks that is 9 ft high” if the pile is in fact that high.
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I am also talking about the individual or, in this case, the author, who looks at Pinoy society and says, “Pinoys are such and such,” leaving it to us readers to use our common-sense to comprehend the context of his message, as it is a fair assessment to make that the author himself is very well aware of the exceptions.
GabbyD Reply:
December 8th, 2009 at 5:04 pm
something is a “wall” when it encloses an area. but you know what, yes, i agree, a pile of bricks that happen to enclose an area is ALSO a wall
see! we agree!
dude, i totally agree. HE can say whatever he wants. YOU can say whatever you want, I can say whatever broad generalizations i want.
yes?
Guest Reply:
December 8th, 2009 at 5:31 pm
Sorry, nope.
Actually, not without needing to break it down for you into something almost as simple as A-B-C & correcting some of your misinterpretations could we have arrived at a clear point of agreement.
It is also false that we can make just any kind of generalizations without any basis in reality or empirical facts. My initial interpretation is in line with the author’s (rafterman’s) own interpretation.
Nonetheless, it was an interesting exercise.
Cheers!
GabbyD Reply:
December 8th, 2009 at 5:51 pm
there’s empircal facts supporting
1-3)?
what are these facts? lets spell out the facts.
as far as i can tell, the main “evidence” is personal experience. is there any other kind of fact to support 1-3?
Guest Reply:
December 8th, 2009 at 7:21 pm
Oh sure GabbyD, but you have to give me an idea what you have majored in and what your educational attainment is for me to determine how &/or which ones to present to you. Your approach of requiring people to spell things out for you instead of doing the research yourself and/or presenting it here is not at all practical and lacks common-sense.
GabbyD Reply:
December 8th, 2009 at 9:31 pm
gladly!
i am a college graduate in social science. does that help you?
apart from arguments from personal experience, what is the evidence that makes you say 1-3)?
BabyFats Reply:
December 8th, 2009 at 9:48 pm
Hi Sir GabbyD,
So tama pala ako sir? You’re either a social scientist or anthropologist? Pero parang you said that you are not a scientist? Tama ba, Sir?
Uy, mukhang tinatanong din pala kayo ni guest ng inyong mga credentials. Sir saan mismo kayo nag college? UP (saan po, Diliman, Manila?), Ateneo, La Salle, UST, UAP, Mapua? And also Sir, ano po ang mismong major niyo?
Kasi baka sabihin niyo social science, pero ano mismo ang course niyo? sociology? anthropology?
Paki-linaw na lang po Sir. Please refer to my questions ha, yung mga specific questions ko. Please be honest, Sir.
Hsing Tao Reply:
December 8th, 2009 at 9:57 pm
The ‘personal experiences’ are representative of what is prevalent.
Guest Reply:
December 15th, 2009 at 11:12 am
I missed this one from you GabbyD:
You made it even more so obvious that you’re in a different country right now for someone with a social science background to be so out-of-touch and imperceptive of the reality of pinoy society as it is in the Philippines.
I recommend you read-up on this book [here] and, while you’re at it, try checking this site so you’d get a better sense on how it really is in the Philippines without those rose-colored glasses [here]
How dare you people write what you just wrote! I’m doing a PhD in UC Davis and we Filipinos here in the USA do very well! How can you say all that?
We are achievers and we don’t party. In fact, we’re very smart and hardworking!
Take it back!
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Valley-Ho! Reply:
December 8th, 2009 at 2:18 pm
Uhm, Dudette, you wouldn’t happen to know Lorna, would you? (You’re not her are you?)
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malaki nga ang tama ng article na to. pero kahit ano pa yung mas matimbang sa corruption o katamaran, kaungasan pati pagkahilig sa party ng mga pinoy pareho pa ring dahilan yon bakit naghihirap Pilipinas diba? oo nga totoong karamihan sa mga pilipino e me katangiang dun sa tatlo pero sa hinaba haba ng pagdedebate nyo dito naisip nyo ba kung baket nagiging tamad, ungas o umaarangkatada tayo sa mga party? yung katamaran pwedeng nasa dugo mo na yan o me dahilan ka para maging tamad ka. pwedeng nagsasawa na tayo sa pagtatrabaho ng halos ibigay na natin yung buong oras natin pero wala pa ring pagbabago sa estado mo? hindi natin masasabi kase hindi naman tayo nakakabasa ng isip ng mga tamad na tao e. medyo me pagkabobo o stupid ang mga pilipino. alam ba natin kung baket? pwedeng katiwalian din nang mga nagtatrabaho sa gobyerno na dapat e pinauunlad yung sistema ng bansa natin o dahil sa hirap nang buhay diba? at sigurado ba tayong mahilig magparty ang pinoy dahil sa masarap lang magparty o para mawala yung stress nila sa pagtatrabaho ng walang katapusan nang halos walang napapala? nakikita natin yung point ng author ng article na dahil nga doon sa 3 ugali ng pinoy kaya tayo naghihikahos. ang tanong dyan kung me gagawin ba kayo pagkatapos nyo basahin tong article na to? magdedebate nalang ba tayo ng halos none sense na kasi naparating mo na naman yung saloobin mo sa isang taong me ibang pananaw dito sa article na to. hindi natin totally maipapasok sa utak ng isang tao yung opinyon natin kase me sarili din silang opinyon. look at what you’re doing people! sa lakas ng tama ng article neto satin nagsisimula na yung pagkamulat natin sa katotohanan na dapat nga maging masipag tayo o pagisipan na natin ng maayos yung mga desisyon na gagawin natin. pero lahat ng drive na yon napupunta lang dito sa walang katapusang diskusyunan tungkol dito sa article na to. kumilos na lang kaya tayo para me resulta yung mga bagay na sinabe dito diba? at para naman sa gumawa ng site na to. hindi nyo ba pwedeng baguhin yung pangalan neto? di nyo ba naiisip yung laki din ng kahihiyan na dinudulot neto sa bansa naten? san ba kayo umo-oppose? diba sa mga kapangitan lang ng pagiging pinoy? totoong totoo yung mga articles dito tungkol sa mga kapangitan ng ugali o pamumuhahy ng mga pilipino natin pero “anti-pinoy”? dapat nga proud pa tayo nagkaruon tao ng sariling lahi diba? sa kabila ng mga panget na ugali nating mga pinyo mas kilala naman tayo na isa sa pinakamagagalang at tingin ko mababaet na tao sa mundo. at diba pinoy din gumawa neto? edi ayaw nyo rin sa sarili nyong pagkatao! siguro bago nyo ginawa tong site na to pinagisipan mo muna yung pangalan ng site na tutugma sa mga saloobin nyo. pero sabi ko nga me sarili kayong opinyon kaya wala akong magagawa. ayan yung opinyon ko..
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GabbyD Reply:
December 8th, 2009 at 2:48 pm
you know what, guess, you’re theorizing is A-OK with me!
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Guest Reply:
December 8th, 2009 at 8:19 pm
I didn’t know that excuses are “A-OK” with you and you even refer to them as “theorizing.”
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Guest Reply:
December 8th, 2009 at 11:47 pm
If I may add, think about it: Chinese-Filipinos or tsinoys tend to be far more successful than mere “locals” or more “native” types even under the same corrupt system, same climate and harsh weather, and same access to basic resources. What particular traits do each of these groups have that made one generally more affluent than the other, given the same set of circumstances? Affluence is man-made and not something that just happens at random or out of the blue.
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guess Reply:
December 10th, 2009 at 2:38 pm
tsinoys got discipline branded in their heads dude. thats one thing that most of us pinoys dont have. at hindi rin lahat ng taong disiplinado bumabagsak sa pagkakaroon maayos o magandang buhay. pano kung disiplinado ka nga pero paligid mo wala kang makitang organisado? kaya nga wala tayo derektang masisisi sa korapsyon at sa katamaran, kabobobhan at hilig sa party ng pinoy diba? kase mas marame pa ang mga bagay ang pwedeng maging dahilan bat tayo naghihirap. and thats not even an excuse as you’ve said earlier. mahirap pa rin ang bansa natin gawa nating mga pinoy! bago bago na tayo!
DoNotFeedTrolls Reply:
December 11th, 2009 at 11:44 am
“…at sigurado ba tayong mahilig magparty ang pinoy dahil sa masarap lang magparty o para mawala yung stress nila sa pagtatrabaho ng walang katapusan nang halos walang napapala?”
Yung kasing tinutukoy sa article ay yung sobra mag-party tapos wala namang means para mag-party (halimbawa wala namang trabaho, tambay lang, etc.) Mahirap bang intindihin yun? Hindi nga lahat e, generally lang. Geez.
“…kumilos na lang kaya tayo para me resulta yung mga bagay na sinabe dito diba?”
Ito tama ka diyan, kelangan kumilos. Yun ang point ng article e, yung pagkilos. Yung pagsulat nung blog post na ito isang uri na rin yan ng pagkilos, tumutulong siya na mamulat yung mga clueless sa problema. Pero ayun, paano namang hindi magkakaroon ng debate dito eh may mga taong nagpapaka-kitid ng utak at pinipilit na wala daw problema/hindi daw lahat tamad/etc. Generally nga e, hindi lahat. Kung masipag ka at yung kakilala mo, e di hindi kayo kasali sa problema. Di ko alam kung anong napakahirap intindihin nun.
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DoNotFeedTrolls Reply:
December 11th, 2009 at 11:47 am
*dun
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Uhm, Dudette, you wouldn’t happen to know Lorna, would you? (You’re not her are you?)
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Maybe when you tell GabbyD that the sky is blue he will make you explain step by step how you see it as blue and he sees it as pink.
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BabyFats Reply:
December 8th, 2009 at 9:19 pm
Sir Tao,
Mukhang ganun nga po yata ang nangyayari eh. Sir, eto na nga ako nasa Pilipinas mismo, I’m in Bocaue, Bulacan, and everything in the article here is what I see with my own eyes, so alam kong totoo. Pero si Sir Gabby mukhang ayaw pong aminin ang katotohanan eh.
Parang aliw siyang ginugulo niya ako. Eto na nga ako, ginaganda ko ang sagot ko sa kanya, matino ang sagot ko sa kanya, at sabi ko na wala akong balak na mag-agree kahit kanino except na mag-agree sa katotohanan. But he likes to force people to take his views. Grabe siya Sir Tao. Parang may diperensya yata.
Pero I’m still open to knowing his background. Also, I want to know where in the Philippines he lives para naman maintindihan ko kung bakit di raw siya nakaka-witness ng mga observations sa article. It is like he is in denial eh.
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GabbyD Reply:
December 8th, 2009 at 9:29 pm
sumasagot naman ako ah.
yung tanong ko lang is, what is point of knowing where i live? what i studied in college?
lets say i answered, makati, accounting… does that tell you something about me?
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BabyFats Reply:
December 8th, 2009 at 9:40 pm
Sir GabbyD,
Sensya na Sir, paki sagot na lang ang tanong ko dito: http://antipinoy.com/hirap-ng-pinoy-hindi-dulot-ng-korapsyon-kundi-kabobohan-sobrang-hilig-sa-party-at-katamaran/#comment-1925
Upang na hindi na dumoble pa ang mga posting. Please answer it honestly Sir, ha, sana di po kayo magsisinungaling.
let me add an argument to this mix…
people have been using arguments of the form
1) filipinos (generally, usually, ..) are lazy
2) filipinos (….) party too much
3) filipinos (…) are stupid.
i’ve been consistent — people are free to make this determination based on whatever evidence in their lives.
but i have 1 thing to add to this argument based on freedom. it is this:
statements 1-3 follow the form “(BLANK1) are (BLANK2)”
where BLANK1 is either a biological grouping of people (chinese, blacks), OR a nationality/people (filipinos, americans, mexicans, christians, muslims, etc)
and BLANK2 is an adjective, in this case negative (Lazy, stupid, late, arrogant, etc)
note that this is fully consistent with the definition of racism here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism#cite_note-M-W-0
because, to quote the article: “Racial discrimination typically points out taxonomic differences between different groups of people, although ANYONE may be discriminated against on an ethnic or cultural basis, independently of their somatic differences.” [emphasis mine]
hence, statements based on 1-3 are RACIST statements/arguments.
now, not all racist statements are BAD.
i will list 2 reasons for which racist arguments NEED NOT be bad (the first), and where it SOMETIMES is justifiable (the second).
1) humor — it should be ok to make fun of/mock a people. it may not be Funny, but as long as its not done maliciously, it should be ok.
2) racial profiling for criminal purposes/ affirmative action
here, it may be necessary to use racial stereotypes to help law enforcement. for example: if blacks are known to steal cars, the police might be disproportionately suspicious of blacks and arrest them relatively more frequently.
or, if there are few latina women in a high position, there might be a law that says, for every white person you hire, you must hire a latina woman.
SOMETIMES, doing these things might be a good idea. but not all the time, and certainly, you dont want to contiinue treating people like this forever.
i’m not sure whether the arguments here fits into a bin called “good reasons for racist arguments” it might! after all, a number of people have said that this is all to spur change! change is good! if so, you have to contend with the idea of how lazy, stupid people can change for the better. seems like a very unlikely thing to happen, if it were true!
but at the very least, we should acknowledge that the argument is racist, and move from there. agree?
finally, i have been retiscent about my own opinion about 1-3.
my opinion, shaped by personal experience, is simply this: there are lazy filipinos and there are non-lazy filipinos. there are smart ones, and not smart ones. there are partiers, and non-partiers. same as everywhere else in this world. thats it.
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benign0 Reply:
December 8th, 2009 at 9:36 pm
Nah, I don’t think so GabbyD.
Let’s use a sports analogy.
Say one team is found to be a better team than another. That observation implies that said other team is inferior to the first.
Does it necessarily mean every player in the first is excellent and every player in the other sucks?
Not necessarily (although it is a possibility).
It could mean that players in the first team play well together while the other consistently fail to build esprit among its players.
Scale that up to an entire country like the Philippines and ask yourself:
Why does the Philippines suck?
Is it because each and every Pinoy sucks?
Or is it because the collective or emergent outcome of the behaviour of all Filipinos taken as a people suck?
In a contest where the score is economic output, the Philippine nation is a team composed of individual players. We all want Da Pinas to be a winner. Unfortunately we seem to be unable to win as a nation.
It’s simple, really™
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Hsing Tao Reply:
December 8th, 2009 at 9:54 pm
GabbyD is full of ivory tower mutterings. He is still having that college boy smart alecky attitude about him which does not really work in the real world.
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GabbyD Reply:
December 9th, 2009 at 2:29 pm
thats true…
so what do you think of the idea tho? agree?
Kanto boy Reply:
December 9th, 2009 at 6:57 pm
You deserve to be skewered and tortured until the pain is too much so that you offer to eat your own dick to make me stop the pain.
How’s the Bay Area?
GabbyD Reply:
December 9th, 2009 at 2:29 pm
i’m perfectly fine with your analogy!
i submit that we call it by its true name.
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GabbyD Reply:
December 9th, 2009 at 2:30 pm
i mean, i submit we call arguments like 1-3 by its true name, a racist argument.
do u have any arguments against that?
Kanto boy Reply:
December 9th, 2009 at 7:04 pm
Gabriel the Dodo,
A racist argument is usually done by A on B. That is, a group other than the group being described.
If members of a group criticizes their own group for shortcomings that prevent their group from succeeding, then that is not racist. In fact, that’s patriotic. If you want your own group to succeed, you always need to find ways to make it succeed, and that also means finding out what are keeping the group from succeeding.
But if you insist on keeping the group weak by disallowing certain members of the group from finding areas needing improvement, then you are against the group because you want the group to remain weak.
And if you want the group the remain weak, you deserve to be skewered and tortured until the pain is too much so that you offer to eat your own dick to make me stop the pain.
How’s the Bay Area, Gabriel?
abguitarte Reply:
December 9th, 2009 at 3:21 am
GabbyD,
Maybe you’re not seeing that those assessments about Filipinos generally being:
1. illogical/stupid
2. lazy
3. hedonistic
…don’t represent permanent characteristics, but rather just happen to be current “at-the-time” descriptions that are similar to symptoms of a disease. Filipinos generally need not be 1, 2, & 3 forever and ever. Which means that Filipinos CAN BE CURED of these.
The implication, therefore, is that Filipinos exhibit these characteristics and these are characteristics that keep us from progressing as a nation. But since they are like symptoms of a disease or diseases, they can be cured. If they can be cured, then therefore the Philippines CAN MOVE FORWARD and progress.
Going back to the original article, the general idea is that:
1. Filipinos are generally more illogical than Chinese, Vietnamese, Singaporeans, Koreans, Japanese, etc
2. Filipinos are generally lazier than Chinese, Vietnamese, Singaporeans, Koreans, Japanese, etc
3. Filipinos are generally more hedonistic than Chinese, Vietnamese, Singaporeans, Koreans, Japanese, etc
There was a point of comparison, and if you look at it objectively, there are major differences as well. All these people (or countries) are more progressive, richer, or have a faster economic growth rate than the Philippines. Items 1, 2, & 3 are reasons that easily explain this, because apparently, Corruption seems to exist in all those other societies anyway.
Maybe you shouldn’t be over-sensitive to these objectively verifiable facts. You should, instead, spend more time trying to seek solutions on HOW TO ELIMINATE these undesirable traits that keep the Philippines (as well as general Filipino communities) from progressing in comparison to their more progressive neighbors.
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GabbyD Reply:
December 9th, 2009 at 2:34 pm
oh, people can reach different conclusions. just as i have.
but i agree wit you abguitarte…
the ONLY way to have
1) filipinos be lazy, etc..
AND
2) filipinos can change, etc…
is if u believe that its only a temporary characteristic, non-permanent.
if you think that filipinos can be BOTH lazy and able to change, then thats fine.
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Kanto boy Reply:
December 9th, 2009 at 7:14 pm
Gabriel Dodo, it’s very clear you’re not in the Philippines and that’s why you don’t see the reality in the Philippines.
How’s the Bay Area?
BongV Reply:
December 9th, 2009 at 5:31 am
GabbyD:
You missed the part which goes
predicate 1-1
predicate 1-2
THEREFORE, filipinos (generally, usually, ..) are lazy
predicate 2-1
predicate 2-2
THEREFORE, filipinos (….) party too much
predicate 3-1
predicate 3-2
THEREFORE, filipinos (…) are stupid.
Those aren’t assumptions – those are conclusions.
also there’s the form which goes
filipinos (generally, usually, ..) are lazy BECAUSE:
predicate 1-2
predicate 1-1
filipinos (….) party too much BECAUSE:
predicate 2-1
predicate 2-2
filipinos (…) are stupid BECAUSE:
predicate 3-1
predicate 3-2
if you add a statement that says the predicate is operative due to skin color, then that’s racist. otherwise, it is NOT racist.
Compare that to this approach,
filipinos (generally, usually, ..) are lazy THAT’S WHY
describe behavior 1-1
describe behavior 1-2
filipinos (….) party too much THAT’S WHY:
describe behavior 2-1
describe behavior 2-2
filipinos (…) are stupid BECAUSE:
describe behavior 3-1
describe behavior 3-2
Usually the perception is that the latter approach is being implied (inductive) when it is actually the former (deductive).
The conclusion is turned into an assumption, which kinda puts the cart before the horse.
Whaddya think?
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GabbyD Reply:
December 9th, 2009 at 2:28 pm
1) what are these predicates? what proves “filipinos are BLANK”…?
how can one say that in an objective manner, hence to PROVE “filipinos are BLANK”?
2) note that the definition of racism is independent of whether “Blank1 is blank2″ a conclusion or a premise/assumption
in fact, when under the examples i gave, humor or racial profiling — the verdict that you can use race to have different treatment is somewhat justified. its still racism — but its good racism. see also the wiki page…
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Hsing Tao Reply:
December 9th, 2009 at 4:43 pm
The economy is a reflection of Pinoy laziness and stupidity. Anyone who knows how to observe will see Pinoys are lazy, stupid and party too much.
BongV Reply:
December 10th, 2009 at 3:37 pm
for example, what are the possible predicates when filipinos are prone to vote for vacuous actors and actresses into the senate, congress, and the presidency. thst comes with the predicates. filipinos voted for vacuous actors. filipinos voted for clueless actresses. filipinos vote for vacuous actors and acresses. starstruck ignoramus is not an assumption, it is a conclusion.
Hello, I’m searching google and found your blog nice post. Mabuhay Sikat ang Pinoy!
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I notice that Filipinos are very quick and proud to be generalized themselves with the likes of Efren Penaflorida, pacman and other succesful pinoys (who are only one among a million), and be on denial and really get over-defensive when generalized with the REAL MAJORITY of ordinary pinoys.
Lets get real guys, although, there are indeed exceptionally great and hardworking Filipinos, MAJORITY of us are not successful because of laziness and obsession with enjoyment. And I agree with the article that this is the PROBLEM of our society and it causes corruption.
The truth does HURT, but we need to accept it and FACE it to be able to move forward as a nation.
We cannot always just sugar coat the shortfalls of the Filipino majority with the success and hard work of only a few.
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homer Reply:
December 9th, 2009 at 4:25 am
True, nfg. The words “denial” and “over-defensive” are spot-on.
People can’t accept and face it, They become too hurt by the truth, often mistaking it as an insult to them and to other Filipinos. It’s not worth engaging with them when they become emotional and illogical at once. Sadly, I’ve seen this happen too many times.
Our damaged psyche/culture (as pointed out by the late Teddy Benigno in the 90′s) has gotten worse. Nobody listened to Teddyman back then, so why should I believe that more people are listening now? Although I’m happy to see sites like these, I honestly don’t see how much of an impact they can make since the “larger” majority of voters don’t have access to a computer. In fact, I see more despair and disappointment for Pinoys in 2010, and only time will tell if I’m proven wrong.
I certainly appreciate the efforts of the brilliant minds in here to reach out to others. I know it’s an uphill battle, but I’m already burned-out from decades of relying on hope.
I can see Jack yelling once more, “You can’t handle the truth!”.
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BabyFats Reply:
December 9th, 2009 at 7:03 am
Sir Homer,
Baka naman Sir, the help of this website is in making the people in media such as TV program researchers and writers as well as newspaper columnists realize the real problems of the Philippines and when they learn that, they can end up influencing the wider society.
Ganundin Sir, if the politicians themselves hire people to research for them o kaya sila mismo nagsu-surf sa net. Siguro if they read the ideas in these sites, they can learn new things and implement them as policies.
Buti na nga lang Sir this site exists to tell the truth to these people who can influence others. E kung walang site na ganito, then all they hear are the same ideas na kinekwento ng mga writers natin sa newspapers na di ganun ka galing. Konti lang ang mga may ganitong ideas sa media eh.
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homer Reply:
December 9th, 2009 at 8:27 am
Hi BabyFats,
Sana nga mangyari ang mga sinasabi mo para sa kabutihan ng bansa. Good to know that you are also glad for the existence of sites like these. May your tribe increase.
On mainstream media, I’ll avoid adding to what’s already been said about them (and the people who run them). Let me just say that they are part of our many problems. On politicians implementing stuff they see here, I just hope you’re right. I need to see that happen to believe it.
Perhaps you are more hopeful than I am. Nothing wrong with that at all. Who knows? Maybe it could be you who will end-up influencing others. : ) Ok yan.
I read this article and understand the writer’s sentiment… Wake up guys.. May punto siya sa pagsabi ng ganung bagay dahil totoo naman yun eh.. Nagrereact kayo (maybe ako rin) kasi alam ko na tinamaan tayo pero yun naman ang totoo eh.. Kumbaga ganito na lang yan eh.. idaan natin sa basketball.. Team Philippines versus the USA Dream Team.. And you have a money to bet, let’s say P1000.. Saan ka tataya (yung totoo)..
Nakakapangilabot isipin din minsan na ang bilis natin maghusga ng tao.. tingnan nyo nga rin muna sarili nyo.. tayong lahat ay masayahin, mahilig tayo sa kasayahan, pero di naman natin naiisip na yung mga ginagastos natin sa walang kwentang bagay ay pwede naman iconvert sa something na may worth.. Aminin nyo, tingnan mo na lang sa paligid mo.. and daming social climber, ang daming party freaks, daming istambay sa mga bars and malls, etc.. some even do things like mine in wasting some of my time over the net (the worst, some Filipinos waste their time too much on the net)..
Last one, i believe na maliban sa mga sinabi ng writer, napasukan na rin ang utak nating mga pilipino ng pagkamatigas.. I’m from Marikina and sinusunod ang batas dun (not in all areas pero may areas na strict).. Kung oobserbahan nyo, daming lumalabag sa mga batas.. daming nagrereact na malayo ang sakayan ng jeep kaya naghihintay na lang sa kanto na di naman sakayan ng jeep.. sino ang may problema ngayon? korapsyon pa rin ba? maaring nakakatulong sa paghirap natin ang korapsyon pero nasa sarili rin naman natin kung gugustuhin nating umunlad eh.. Anti pinoy is not the opposite of pro pinoy..
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I think “party” could have been given a better term… – gudtym.
But it doesn’t change how right this article is.
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BabyFats Reply:
December 9th, 2009 at 7:05 am
Tama po kayo doon Sir. Pero kasi naman din yung word na “party” already means good time o gudtym eh. Sa movies sinsabi ng mga tao kung gusto nilang mag-good time ay “let’s party” pero wala namang party kundi nag-iinuman lang sila o pumunta lang sila sa bar. Pero tama kayo Sir kasi yung iba yata medyo matanda at ang akala nila sa salitang party ay birthday party o christmas party, di nila naisip na party means gudtym.
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Chino F Reply:
December 9th, 2009 at 8:55 am
Baka kasi yung iba dyan, papasok sa isip, political party, eh walang ginagawa kundi mag party nalang sa Batasan. hehehe.
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ang kamalian ng mga pinoy ay n point out n, totoo, masakit, at lahat ng pnglilibak ginawad n ke Juan. Minura ng paulit ulit sia, ang kanyang bansa pti mga taong kumakampi s kanya. Sino ang namamato kundi ang kanyang kapwa at kalahi na galit n galit at sinisisi ang buong angkan ni juan. Me karapatan b sila magalit? oo meron, mekarapatan b sila s kanilang opinyon? oo meron! Tao lng nman sila n pwedeng m fed up s kinalabasan ng kanilang bansang sinilangan at mainis s mga taong nakatira rito. Ano ang nagawa mo pra makatulong sa mga taong nawawala ng landas? ung itama ang mali n hindi lang s salita pero s gawa. Ung hindi mo hihilahin pababa ang ibang tao, kundi tutulungan p ito pra makarating s paruruonan.
Encouraging words and wisdom doesnt work anymore right?! but does cursing do? maybe it relives ur angst. yeah maybe. but its just u..urself..what about others? who cares what they feel. theyre bobo,tamad and they party too much therefore it doesnt matter what they feel. i know their faults, their mistakes and all the embarrassing things they do. They drag this god forsaken country down to the mud. Juan doesn’t deserve anything. I can cast my stone and throw it to them, i’ll rant and rant till they bleed to death. truth hurts right? harsh words for harsh realities. If someone will ask me what i do to help, change and improve the things and ppl. i would proudly say…i did was to blog my blah..blah and blahs ohh wait i posted a lot of blahh..blahh comment too.
Condemn the filipino ppl. generalize the population all of them are tamad,bobo and loveeess to partey. They are not like you, who have businesses, who founded by ur fathers or his father before him.
I am a Filipino in my blood runs the blood of Juan, I am not mixed and we are not wealthy. As a child i never asked any material things fr my parents even my father worked abroad. I contented myself looking at the toys in the display store, me and bro fantasizing if we were just invisible we cld play at them. T’was mid 80′s i was in elementary i have 2 pesos for my baon. i have to walk back and forth if i want to eat. Then college come yr y2k i have 100 pesos for a day and it was 4rides to sch. I save my allowance if i want to watch a movie in weekends or if i have projects. I still go to “inuman session” with my barkadas. those ginpom party. Its nice to unwind w/ friends. After graduation i decided to work abroad i still have 2 brothers, sick mom and my father left us to be w/ d creator. I dont know where the hell is that country i am goin to, dont know anything about the job but i managed to pass the interview. I went in a foreign land w/ a foreign language, battled w/ homesickness, w/ racism that really crushed u, white ppl wld step on u because ur asian but its okay through pain and fatigue i managed to send my brothers to a fine schools, buy them nice things, a home my mom cld call her own, got my sisters to work here w/ me. Help donate to less fortunate kids for education, Visit and teach old people how to write in my spare time. In my own lil ways i still want to reach someone.
Work has given me the opportunity to see the different parts of the world and i can say i would still want to live in the Philippines. I miss the warmth, the Christmas spirit that makes me happy whenever i set foot in pinas.I miss my mother language and my mothers soil. No one beats home!
I do go out and paint the town red..did a drinking spree, and party like a rockstar cuz if not i’ll go crazy. My body clock is pretty messed up, i always deal w/ grumpy, complaining ppl who are not happy w/ everything, my life is always at risk, different weathers, busted eardrums, i pay mortgages, allowances, tuition fees, house allowance, tons of credit card debt and etc. So yes..i would definitely like to go out and parteey.
Dont envy or judge other ppl unless u’ve been on their shoes……………………
Merry Christmas and GodBless to all
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BabyFats Reply:
December 14th, 2009 at 7:41 pm
Hi Ma’am Janice,
Ok lang po siguro mag-party kung nasa lugar at kung kayo po ay may sapat na pera para mag-party. Also, kung talagang sobra-sobra na rin ang pagta-trabaho po, kelangan din po mag-unwind.
Pero yun nga lang po, marami kasing Pilipino ang panay ang party at inuman at good time na wala naman po silang ibang ginawa kundi mag-party, inuman, at good time. Wala pong mga trabaho, at di naghahanap ng trabaho. Marami sa kanila mga estudyante na di naman seryoso sa kanilang pag-aaral.
Student po ako sa Fatima… Pero sa Bocaue, Bulacan po ako nakatira. Marami po sa mga kababata ko at mga kapitbahay ay naging “party-animal.” OFW ang isa o dalawa sa kanilang mga magulang at pinapadalhan sila ng pera para sa kanilang pag-aaral. Ngunit winawaldas po nila ang perang ito para sa kanilang mga gimik. Punta lagi sa timog, at ang mga babae, naglalandi at mukhang naghahanap yata ng mayamang boyfriend sa mga bar. Di na nga sila pumapasok. At kung tinatanong ko kung nag-aaral sila, ang kanilang sagot ay “nagstop muna me.” Sabi ko bakit? E may pera namang pinapadala sa inyo galing sa abroad… Paminsan, kinekwento nga ng kanilang mga pinsan na nung minsan, nagsugal sila o kaya naubos nila ang tuition nila sa gimik kaya sila di puedeng pumasok.
Eto po ang problema ng maraming Pinoy: masyadong mahilig sa saya, ngunit di naman kayang magtrabaho upang makakamit ng tunay na kasiyahan. Kaya gimik at gudtym na lang ang inatupag.
Siguro po di ito envy or judgment. Ito po ay tamang galing dahil ang mga taong ito ay nagsasayang ng kanilang mga biyaya. May perang padala galing sa abroad ngunit winawaldas naman nila sa gimik at kinalimutan na ang pag-aaral.
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ilda Reply:
December 14th, 2009 at 7:56 pm
Dear Janice
Just some advice if you care to listen. If your body clock is messed up, I suggest you take some time out from partying and devote it instead to the recovery of your health by resting.
Also, if you are miserable with your job and hate the people you work with, you should learn new skills with your extra time instead of partying. You can use that new skill to find another job. Getting a hobby is also a good thing. You never know if a new hobby will lead to a thriving business one day.
The money you save when you’re not spending your extra cash from partying will help in paying for your mortgages, tuition fees and etc, etc.
You might think that partying will help you deal with your wretched existence, but it actually makes it worse because you are just going through life without any foreseeable improvement from your current status.
There are other inexpensive ways of dealing with boredom that will also help expand your knowledge and skills and that is by reading books. Reading might be a new concept to most people but it’s actually quite entertaining.
You take care now,
Ilda
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Hsing Tao Reply:
December 14th, 2009 at 7:59 pm
Very good answer! O ano ngayon Janice?
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jethernandez Reply:
December 14th, 2009 at 9:13 pm
I hate you Ilda…. hehehe.
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ilda Reply:
December 14th, 2009 at 9:22 pm
I seem to get that a lot lately, especially from Manang Celestino
Baby fats pakiusap wag m akong tawaging ma’am khit p iyan ang iyong pamamaraan ng respeto. I can be older than u but not above u and ur not below me. Jha wld b fine.
I am not complaining i am merely stating my daily activities and the people i see and talk everyday.Your advice is welcome and appreciate it. You never asked me why its messed up, u assumed its from partying because i did said i do go out. I want to explain even u dont really ask me. My body clock is messed up because in 1 week i could be in Cochin, India, after we land i sleep for 12hrs then off to Perth Australia after that a rest day then I am going to Sao Paulo. You see in months I could be in different time zone. have u ever experience that? I do rest and sleep all day but that doesn’t correct it.
Oh sure i don’t like some of the people i work w/ or ppl i see in every destination. i am human as well like u. Saying that i deal w/ grumpy complaining ppl, i pay mortages, tuition fees debts and etc doesn’t mean i am miserable . I just told u what i deal every day, every month and i believe in every OFW’s life. That doesn’t make us miserable.
I have a hobby and that is teaching and I go to Dhaka, Bangladesh and put bandages on severely burned women.
Partying helps me unwind from stress, it helps me raise funds, helps me gain a volunteers. It does make improvement on my current status. I read… but especially i read it to others. Not just merely saying u should read because it can expand ur knowledge.
baby face:
Before my younger brother gave me his diploma. He is one of those youngster who go to embassy, alchemy, Starbucks, out of town trips w/ his barkada when he is in college. He even drop out when he is in h/s. My family and i did not tolerate it but we did not point a finger and said u are doing wrong. Guidance plays a big part, we asked him what he really wants, we took time to know what he wants. Then he found it, worked hard for it and he march on that stage. Every human strays, went to the other side of the road, did something bad but that doesn’t mean they cannot change. Especially if u help rather than just talk about the problem
Family live in Marikina. We have those neighbors who doesn’t go to work instead they sing in their karaoke and drink. When ondoy hit pinas and Marikina was flooded, those neighbors help my mother closed the shop, my youngest brother to go up in the second floor. They brought the appliances up and gave them food through the terrace.
hsing tao:
Very good answer! O ano ngayon Janice?
Child like question. But let me ask u…What did u do to for your fellowmen?
Theres a comments i read in different articles:
and if you look Oriental or Mexican or Caucasian, you might get lucky and have people assume you’re from some other country, and not consider you a failure by association with the hapless Philippines.
other one:
But if you look Caucasian or Tisoy-enough, you might be able to avoid being lumped in with the accusation of mediocrity that mere association with being Pinoy unfortunately damns all the kayumanggi, Indio-looking Pinoy masses.
Papano babangon ang Pilipinas kung ni kaunting respeto o kaunting pagmamahal s bayan ay wala. If anyone read the essay of a korean named Jaeyoun Kim.
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BongV Reply:
December 15th, 2009 at 7:47 am
Groundhog Day Celebrates a Damaged Culture
July 29th, 2009 by BongV
James Fallows wrote his article “Damaged Culture: A New Philippines? in 1987, a year after EDSA.
It is now 2009, twenty two (22) years after EDSA and still:
And speaking of elections, the Philippines of 2009 might as well be stuck in 1987:
The economy? It is same o same o. The conversation below may very well have happened today, or an hour ago, or a minute ago.
Manufacturing? “There were not many viable sectors to begin with, and most of them were taken over by cronies. The industrial sector is used to guarantee monopoly and high-tariff protection. It’s inward-looking, believes it cannot compete. People are used to paying a lot for goods that are okay-to-shoddy in quality. Labor costs are actually quite high for a country at this stage of development. They should be like Sri Lanka’s but they’re like Korea’s, because union organizing has run far ahead of productivity. It’s a poor country–but an expensive place in which to produce. American and Japanese firms have set up some electronics assembly plants, but they’re only buying labor, not building subsidiary industries or anything that adds real value.’
Agriculture? “It’s been heavily skewed for fifty years to plantation crops. All those traditional exports are down, sugar most of all. Copra is okay for the moment, but it’s never going to expand very much. Prawns are the only alternative anybody can think of now.’ Agriculture is also nearly paralyzed by arguments over land ownership. Since the Spanish days land has been concentrated in a few giant haciendas, including the 17,000-acre Hacienda Luisita of the Cojuangco family, and no government has done much to change the pattern. “You could argue that real land reform would lead to more productivity, but it’s an entirely hypothetical argument,’ an Australian economist told me. “This government simply is not going to cause a revolution in the social structure.’ Just before the new Congress convened, as her near-dictatorial powers were about to elapse, Aquino signed a generalized land-reform-should-happen decree. Most observers took this as an indication that land reform would not happen, since the decree left all the decisions about the when, where, and how of land reform to the landowner-heavy Congress.
Services and other industries? “They’re very much influenced by the political climate. I think this has tremendous potential as a tourist country–it’s so beautiful. But they don’t have many other ways to sell their labor, except the obvious one.’ The obvious one is the sex business, visible in every part of the country–and indeed throughout Asia, where Filipino “entertainers’ are common. In Davao, on the southern island of Mindanao, I watched TV one night and saw an ad repeated over and over. Women wanted for opportunities overseas. Qualifications: taller than five feet two inches, younger than twenty-one. When I took cabs in Manila, the drivers routinely inquired if I wanted a woman. When my wife returned our children’s rented inner tubes to a beach vendor at Argao, the vendor, a toothless old woman, asked if she was lonely in her room and needed a hired companion.
Resources? “Exploiting natural resources has always been the base here,’ one of the economists said. “But they’ve taken every tree they can easily get. It’s not like Brazil or Borneo, with another fifty years to rip out the heart of the earth.’ Every single day Japanese diners take hundreds of millions of pairs of chopsticks out of paper wrappers, use them for fifteen minutes, and throw them away. Most of the chopsticks started out as trees in the Philippines, though more and more of them now come from American forests. The Philippines has more naturally spectacular mountains and vistas than Malaysia or Indonesia, but you can travel for miles in the countryside and mainly see eroding hillsides stripped bare of trees. Like Americans who speak of “conquering’ the frontier, Filipinos sometimes take a more romantic view of what “taking every tree’ can mean. F. Sionil Jose, a prominent novelist in his early sixties, who grew up in Ilocos, has written a famous five-volume saga–the Rozales novels–about the migration from the harsh Ilocos region to the fertile plains of central Luzon. The Ilocano migrants made a new life for themselves, he observes, and they did it by cutting down the jungle and planting rice. “There is some hope with minerals and gold,’ one of the economists said. Indeed, a Forty-ninerstyle gold rush is now under way in Mindanao. I was told that communist rebels, Moslem separatists, and former Philippine Army soldiers now work side by side in the gold mines, proving that economic development can be the answer to political problems.
And the clincher is
And since 1987, the Philippines has remained bleak,- extreme disparity between the rich and the poor, the impunity of political assassins, the corruption, the instability, and the culture – same o same o.
Recently, The Accidental Migrant wrote:
Our view of Philippine politics is personality-based and mainly centered on the president. We tend to reduce Philippine economic reality to the question of exchange rate between the pound sterling and Philippine peso.
Except for the activism displayed by Filipino domestic workers in claiming their right as workers in this country, we have not gone beyond our translation of Filipino “identity” into those traditional summer barrio fiestas, the beauty contests and dinner parties to raise some money for their pet projects, and our religious gatherings.
The need to translate the respectability we have earned as a migrant workforce into a political power that would demand good governance in the Philippines and to become an important voice in the UK’s foreign policy and overseas development commitments to the Philippines remains a big and ambitious challenge.
The million dollar question – getting from the current/AS-IS state of irresponsibility to the Desired Future/TO-BE State of personal responsibility – of holding and demanding accountability from the government WHILE ensuring one is also accountable for one’s civic obligations remains in oblivion.
The Numbers Do the Talking.. Again
Numbers do talk. But all of us tend to read it differently. Caffeine Sparks was miffed with the numbers
I can understand if FVR will say he “exorcised” debt because it was during his term when the Philippines emerged 35 years of IMF program supervision. Foreign debt is not evil when such debt is used to generate revenues. The question is what is the composition of the 1.09 trillion in debt. If it is debt that does not generate revenue then I agree that Arroyo doesn’t have the gall.
Well, Item No. 4. Policy Instability – is a euphemism for anti-foreign investments/protectionist policy, specially, when said policy is enshrined in the Constitution under the section on National Patrimony. Since these rent capture protectionist policies are etched in the charter, changing these policies necessitates amending the charter in order to attract business.
As pointed out by Kobayashi, during an ASEAN sponsored conference – There are only two reasons for Global Firms to invest in developing areas
Establish Export Plants
– Firms place importance on “operational conditions”
– The less world economic growth, the more selective firms become
– The more possible investment destinations, the more selective firms become
Access to New Markets
– Firms place importance on “market size” and “future growth opportunities”
– The less world economic growth, the more attractive these factors appear to firms
3 Factors Are Considered When Choosing an Export Plant Location
- Geographical/psychological proximity to targeted markets
- Geographical/psychological proximity to global firms themselves
- Operational costs (including tariffs, restrictions on foreign investments, etc.) and business environment
The BPO industry has benefited from liberalization. The findings of Shujiro Urata, Professor of Economics, School of Social Science, Waseda University, presented his observations at the US-China-Japan Trilateral Forum in November 11th, 1997 are still relevant:
World foreign direct investment (FDI) has grown rapidly since the early 1980s. Indeed, the rate of increase of world FDI was higher, compared with world trade from the early 1980s through the mid-1990s. As a result of these new developments, FDI has become one of the most important means of integrating the world economy. The role of FDI in the world economy would be significantly greater, if the impact of FDI on various economic activities is considered. FDI enables investing firms to utilize their firm-specific assets such as technologies and managerial know-how efficiently, while FDI recipients can obtain not only the funds for investment but also efficient technologies and know-how. Furthermore, FDI recipients can enjoy the benefits by gaining an access to various networks such as sales and procurement networks being developed by investing firms.
There are some factors that may be important for all types of FDI. A well-functioning legal system is crucial as it provides protection of assets owned by foreign investors. Without security of assets, no foreign investors would undertake FDI. Closely related to the point just noted is protection of intellectual property rights, as intellectual property is a source of competitive edge for most foreign direct investors. These points may be summarized as the capability of providing credible commitment on the part of host government, or governance for short.
Another interesting observation on a number, this time the GDP was made:
The authors of the cited study provide the answer in Page 9 –
At any rate, it is quite clear that NIA statistics and even indicators of foreign asset holdings depict not a consumption-driven rise in economic growth after the Asian Financial Crisis but an import-substitution driven one. Can expenditure switching or import substitution explain the rise in Philippine economic growth after the Asian Financial Crisis? If the national income accounts are reliable, this would be a tautological question since the numbers clearly say that such was indeed the case.
They also suggest that:
6 – Consumption growth is probably overestimated
7 – Agriculture may not be as robust
8 – On the contrary, Industry is weakening
9 – There are many problems in the measurement of service sector growth
The authors stated that consumption might be overestimated. They might as well have included:
- imports are underestimated and,
- exports are understimated.
These underestimations, in case people forget, is the lifeblood of customs.
In general, it would be safe to say that all the goods coming in and out of the Philippines are under–declared. These “pilferages” will add up. While the customs duties for such goods are not declared, their entry into the economy will have an impact and will be reflected as an increase in consumption as people pay for goods that they consume – but these goods were not captured at the point of entry or exit into the Philippines.
It is an economy built on the paradigm of import-substitution, pretty much a protectionist paradigm – which of course is institutionalized in the Constitutional provisions on national patrimony. An economy built on the whims of the local economic elite, without any worries about foreign competition. The local economy is has a captive market that the local economic elite can toy with, with impunity.
Then, a ball was thrown from left field:
Benigno, Bencard,UPn, and BongV
Nibbling at the fringes of a well thought out and sybstabtiated essay bt Dean de la Paz, Why don’t you attack his numbers if you disagree with his analysis? Economics is too complicated for you?
The gist of it is that the GMAs numbers have to be taken with a grain of salt. And I agree For instance, in education – when the Education secretary proclaimed that there was a lack of classrooms – GMA instructed her to pack more children in a classroom – WTF. She solved the classroom issue, BUT in a perverted way. GMA claimed there was economic growth – I agree. NOW, whether this growth was equitably distributed is another matter, given the Gini coefficient. There is nothing new to what the author is saying that I am not aware of. And the conclusion he derives from the data are no different from the conclusions I will make based on the data.
So anong problema mo ngayon MCB?
And it does not help that Philippine society has citizens that behave like feudal subjects, half-brutes even – prompting Jose Rizal to reiterate the adage – like people, like government. James Fallows completes the circle of ground hog day:
Most of the things that now seem wrong with the economy–grotesque extremes of wealth and poverty, land-ownership disputes, monopolistic industries in cozy, corrupt cahoots with the government–have been wrong for decades.
It even gets glaring when one attempts to elevate the discussion to a rational and systematic discussion that the vacuous play possum and play the victim card to the hilt and would rather talk about how victimised they are instead of discussing solutions objectively measurable time-bound measurable solutions. The victim chatter is pathetic, it sickening, and retarded. What’s worse – are its enablers!
So, the long and short of it. The Philippine state of affairs (not just the SONA speech,) is all good – Situation Normal All Effed Up – SNAFU.
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Hsing Tao Reply:
December 15th, 2009 at 8:14 am
So karamihan pala ng party-addict Filipinos ay ginagawa yun dahil mga frequent flyer sila. I see. Tapos OK lang na maging tambay sa kanto at magtapon ng kalat na bumabara sa drainage para kapag nagbaha ay magiging hero na sila. I see.
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jethernandez Reply:
December 15th, 2009 at 11:13 am
Madame Janice
From the context of where you’re coming from, you seem to have a passion of helping helpless. Mukhang nangongolekta ka ng pondo para sa NGO mo. If that’s the case… not bad… You might probably want to try posting at filipino voices dot com where you can post your resume, your advocacy and write something about loving and caring for the helpless. There you can also post the things that you’ve done for your fellowmen, the books that you’ve written and the successes of your engagements.
Love
Jet
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jethernandez Reply:
December 15th, 2009 at 11:14 am
*”helping the helpless”… sowee…
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Kanto boy Reply:
December 15th, 2009 at 12:13 pm
Janice,
Kung talagang mahal mo ang bayan, aaminin mo muna kung ano ang mga tunay na mali na ginagawa ng mga Pilipino kung bakit pumapalpak ang Pinas at kokontrahin mo ang mga kamaliang mga yan.
Hindi naman isang leader o maliit na grupo ang may problema eh, kundi ang buong sambayanang Pilipino. Sabihin man ng iba na ang lider daw ang problema, e sino naman ang bumoto sa lider?
Kung ang lider ay gumagawa ng bagay para maging popular siya ang tanong ay BAKIT NAMAN KASI KAILANGAN NIYANG GAWIN YAN? Kasi kung di niya gagawin niyan, di niya rin magagawa ang dapat gawin kung walang susunod sa kanya.
Sino ngayon ang may problema: Lahat ng Pilipino, kasi ang mga Pilipino ang mga nagdidikta na kailangang SIKAT ang kanilang mga lider. Kaya ang mga lider, imbes na gawin ang dapat, ay laging nagsasayang ng oras sa pagpapasikat! At ito ay dahil yun ang binibigyan ng kahalagahan ng mga Pilipino imbes na bigyan ng halaga ang DAPAT GAWIN, imbes na ang KASIKATAN.
In the Philippines, Filipinos are TOO ENGROSSED WITH POLITICS (the art of maneuvering through the complex web of power-relationships in order to gain power) as opposed to POLICIES (doing what needs to be done in order to meet society’s real needs).
Sa mga First World countries at pati na rin sa mga Third World Countries na mabilis umangat patungong first world, ang mga tao ay tumitingin sa POLICIES.
Sa Pilipinas, puro POLITICS. And for a stupid and brain-dead people like majority of Filipinos – including the supposedly educated Filipinos – Politics means gaining POPULARITY.
Kaya palpak ang Pilipinas. People are more engrossed with FORM over substance.
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Hi Janice
Sabi nga nila, “To each his own”. At the end of the day, it’s your life we are talking about here. Who are we to tell you what to do? But you are the one who opened up the floodgates to analysing your current status so we are merely giving you our two cents worth.
From the sound of it, your advocacies make Mother Teresa’s own work look like peanuts :). I have a feeling though your exposure to the needy is part of your job. If you volunteer to help them, then good on you.
You don’t have to justify going to parties. Everyone goes to parties and celebrations. What we are talking about here is the excessive partying. Kaya nga laging Masaya sa Pilipinas kasi lagi ngang nasa party mode ang mga tao. People always think they deserve to have one kahit na hirap. Pero, do they think about their future? Not much. Filipinos don’t even want to discuss the platform of the presidential candidates. They couldn’t be bothered because they would rather party.
Ta-ta
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janice Reply:
December 17th, 2009 at 9:41 am
Good afternoon sa inyo,
Hsing tao: yan ang nabuo mong konklusyon? yan ang logic m s lahat ng ibinahagi ko?
Ilda: I shared my life to let anyone know that everyone has a story behind, has reasons, past, weakness and strength. each person has passions, ideals, faults and goals. Maybe a bad childhood, a trauma, maybe struggling, raped, family problems, spoiled, maybe pampered, maybe they cant read or write. As i was saying before u jump into conclusion without asking question, therefore its not analyzing. You already settle in ur belief about before digging deep and knowing the real reasons. Mother Theresas life advocacies towards poor, sick and forgotten for over 40+yrs is not peanuts. Its very disrespectful to even joke about it and i am no comparison to her great and unselfish love and service to ppl who has been abandoned and left out by the society.She quotes: *Being unwanted, unloved, uncared for, forgotten by everybody, I think that is a much greater hunger, a much greater poverty than the person who has nothing to eat. * Do not wait for leaders; do it alone, person to person.* If you can’t feed a hundred people, then feed just one. * One of the greatest diseases is to be nobody to anybody.Everything that is too much is wrong, but it always doesn’t mean they cannot change.
Kanto Boy: Inaamin ko maraming mga flaws and faults ang isang pinoy, khit ako meron ding mga kamalian, mga maling desisyon n nag resulta ng mga di kaaya ayang mga pngyayari. Lahat may problema, ang tao at ang sistema. Iba iba tayo ng pamamaran ng pag kontra s kamalian, merong nag rarally s kalsada, merong nag susulat s dyaryo, blog, some ppl start fr their home, fr their neighborhood, merong nag tatayo ng sarili nilang organisasyon, mga taong nagbigigay ng oras, naghihirap pra mkatulong ng paunti-unti. Some they content themselves fron whining about the systems problem over and over. Some they give up and closed their mind that its hopeless.Ang sambayanang Pilipino n bumoboto s sikat n Pulitiko. they consist of what? uneducated and educated but misguided.
But theres also ppl who knows that this is not right. Those ppl who opposed at this system, those ppl who knows that it is the reason why Philippines are labeled as third world country. These ppl represent a chance.
Do they care enough to help? No one knows, its them to find out if they have a courage to change one person to another.
monsieur Jet: Even I played a small part I am honored to be a part of Intl org. Hindi n cguro aq mkaka reply p s mga magbibigay ng komento pasencia n. I still and always believe that anyone can change. It can be a painful process but if someone will help, we can achieve our goal. Salamat and GodBless
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Hsing Tao Reply:
December 17th, 2009 at 10:47 am
Janice is gullible to believe that Mother Teresa is a saint.
Watch this clip
Well Janice, wala akong pakialam sa experience mo o istorya ng buhay mo. Ang kabuuang istorya ng mga loser na Pinoy ang pinag uusapan dito.
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ilda Reply:
December 17th, 2009 at 6:38 pm
Hi Janice
You remind me of Janice de Belen. Sumikat yun sa drama show nya dati
Anyway- excuses, excuses, excuses. What you just wrote are just lot of excuses for why some people need to have excessive parties and why the Philippines is still the way it is. Sabi nga ni Benign0, loser mentality lang yan. People need to move on from whatever bad experience they had in the past.
The popular social networking site facebook has a newsfeed that was design in such a way that all the old wall updates will go down the page because people are not interested in what you did yesterday. People are more interested in what you are doing in now. What are the Filipinos doing differently now to elevate themselves from misery? Wala masyado, partying pa rin.
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jethernandez Reply:
December 18th, 2009 at 6:18 am
madame janice
piece of advise madame… when one enters forums like this… one’s opinion, hypothesis, personal judgment, theoretical perspective are meant to be tortured and tested…. you have to defend them with the sharpness of your logic… if you bring up where you are coming from… that would be lameness and stupidity… you’d fall into the pit of follies of fallacies… don’t again fall into that trap… just like what a holes like cocoy/mark of filipino voices dot com… cuddled by a nincompoop administrator called nick the prick.
truly yours
jet
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Conyo Reply:
December 17th, 2009 at 7:13 pm
Janice,
I totally agree with you.
I believe that the RIGHT TO PARTY is Self Evident, protected by our Constitution, the Bill of Rights, the Geneva Convention, and the Second Law of Thermodynamics.
DO NOT let them trample on our RIGHTS. Do we not have free will? Who are these people to tell us how to spend our time and money. I do not recall giving up these RIGHTS.
Give me PARTY or Give me DEATH!
See you at Starbucks. Let’s have a party there NOW!
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What’s wrong about partying? If you worked hard for the past week, you deserve some slack for partying and turning the booze up. Much deserved hangovers belong to people who work their butts off.
However those who are tamad do not deserve a bit of alcohol or party music.
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Hsing Tao Reply:
February 5th, 2010 at 3:44 pm
KAso ang problema ang Pinoy tamad na nga at yung iba wala pa trabaho pero party pa ng party.
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Migs42 Reply:
February 5th, 2010 at 5:33 pm
@Unstoppable – What’s wrong about partying? Nothing. Excessive partying or magpaparty ka eh wala ka namang extrang pera. Yun yung masama. On the other hand, meron kasabihan na “All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy”. Balanse lang yan.
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I am proud of myself. And I know I am not a burden to my country.
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Makabayan Reply:
February 5th, 2010 at 8:03 pm
Kayaban,
Nagpapasalamat ako sa iyong sakripisyo, pawis, at pagod para sa kinabukasan ng iyong pamilya at ng ating bansa. Dakila ka Taga-dagat! Ipagpatuloy natin and laban para sa kaunlaran ng ating bayan!
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Dear Blogger:
Ang magsasaka, mangingisda, magniniyog, atbp. hindi naman bobo’t hindi mahilig mag-party. Pero, tiis pa rin sa buhay. Kulang lang sila sa edukasyon. Pero, hindi nangangahulugang sila’y bobo. Kayud nag kayod sila, pero, hindi umaasenso. Ito ang milyun-milyong Pilipino na nagtitiis, dahil sa korapsyon ng mga pulitiko. Kung ang gobyerno ay gumawa lang ng mga lansangan -farm-to-market roads – sa kanilang mga baryo, sana’y naibibinta nila ang kanilang mga produkto sa bayan. Kung may libring edukasyon para samga katulad nila, ang susunod nilang henerasyon ay hindi na maghihirap pa.
Kung gusto nating umasenso ang Pilipino, huwag na nating ungkatin ang kahinaan nila. Huwag na nating tapak-tapakan sila. Manapa’y turuan natin sila kung paano sila makakaahon sa kahirapang nagbibilanggo sa kanila. Sa web site ko, http://overseasfilipinos.com/blog/index.php , makakatulong sa mambabasa ang mga panulat ko dito. Salamat.
Jess Guim, New York City
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BongV Reply:
March 2nd, 2010 at 12:17 pm
Kapwa blogger,
kayod ng kayod – tapos panay ang sugal? alak? lambanog? tuba? basi? beer? añejo, tanduayy? pambabae? GRO? videoke? karaoke?
how can you talk of making microentrepreneurship profitable when your policy environment is skewed against it?
not to mention you don’t want to identify the destructive patterns that are a hindrance to success – you are flying blind.
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Mr. Lee Reply:
March 2nd, 2010 at 1:16 pm
Oo tama si BongV ang mga mangingisda at magsasaka ay nagtutuba at nag ta-Tanduay din. Tapos piyesta tuwing ani ubos ang kita. Tapos kantot ng kantot kaya ang daming anak tapos hindi kayang buhayin. Kabobohan yun. Tapos sisisi corruption nanaman. Problema ang corruption pero kung ang mga tao yun na lang ng yun ang sisisi wala mangyayari.
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agreed! let us stop giving corruption too much credit for the poverty in our country
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There is no alternative to hard work. Kahit sino ka, kahit saan ka nanggaling, at kahit ano man ang katayuan mo sa buhay, THERE IS NO ALTERNATIVE TO HARD WORK TO MAKE IT IN LIFE. Kahit na sabihin mo pa na yung mga successful na tao ay suwerte, you have to remember that LUCK IS A COMBINATION OF PREPARATION AND THE RIGHT OPPORTUNITY. The most successful entertainers, athletes, business people, and leaders out there are passionate about working and their work. Kasi alam nila na it takes thousands (yes! 10,000 hours pa nga, sabi ni Malcolm Gladwell sa libro nya na “Outliers”) of preparation to be truly good and successful in any endeavor.
We Filipinos have had so many opportunities to do things right, but we didn’t match them with the right preparation (read: hard work, training), so paano tayo uunlad niyan? Kesa sa sayangin mo ang oras mo sa panonood ng gossip programs, wowowee/eat bulaga, PBB at mga walang ka-kwenta kwentang telenobelas, read a book (you will improve your vocabulary and you will learn a lot!); get trained (i taught myself web design), mag-practice sa pagsusulat (in this day and age, this is a fantastic sideline from home, and it can help you pay the rent and bills), get a hobby that you can turn into a money-making venture eventually.
At the very minimum, at least if you have to go to a party, then have a PURPOSE (Example: networking) at hindi lang mag-lasing hanggang umaga. If you have to party, then at least that you have earned the right to relax and booze a little. Everything in moderation, sabi nga.
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Sa mga anti pinoy. Isa rin akong pinoy at ang masasabi ko lang ay puro lang kau satsat at satsat! wala nman kaung ginagawa..eto lang din ba ang makakaya nyo?ang manglait sa mga pilipino?!!
MGA DUWAG! HANGGANG SALITA LANG KAU! MAGPAKITA KAYO! NGAUN NA!
KUNG MAKAPAGSALITA KAU AKALA NYO KUNG SINO KAU..EH PRA LANG KAUNG BANGAW NA NAKATUNTONG SA KALABAW AY AKALA NYO KALABAW NA RIN KAU! PARA KAUNG MGA SUROT NA KAGAYA DITO SA DUBAI SUMISISPSIP SA DUGO NG KANILANG BIKTIMA ANG SARAP PAGTITIRISIN!
HINDI LAHAT NG PINOY AY TAMAD! LALO NA DITO SA DUBAI! PUNTAHAN NYO ANG NGA PINOY DOON SA KISH SA IRAN O D KAYA SA OMAN AT NANG MAKITA NYO KUNG GAANO NGHIHIRAP ANG MGA PINOY DOON PRA LANG MAG EXIT GALING DUBAI DHIL SA PAKIKIPAGSAPALARAN MAKAHANAP LANG NG TRABAHO AT MAIPAMBUBUHAY SA MGA PAMIPAMILYA NLA SA PINAS!WALNG MAKAIN SA LOOB NG DALAWA ARAW! PRO TINTIIS NILA YUN! DHIL UMAASA SILA NA MAKABALIK DITO SA DUBAI AT MAKAHANAP NG TRABAHO! YAN BA ANG SINSABI NYONG TAMAD?!
AT SIGURADO AKO, HINDI LANG DITO SA DUBAI KUNDI HALOS SA BUONG MUNDO, KUNG SAN MAY MGA PINOY SA TOTOO LANG HANGA AKO SA MGA PINOY KASI MAPRAAN AT MAGALING TALAGA SA TRABAHO! SEAMAN, NURSE, ENGR., DH, CONSTRUCTION WORKERS, WAITER, WAITRESS, JANITOR, SECURITY GUARD, CABIN CREWS, IT ETC..!!! LAHAT! NAME IT, MERON ANG PILIPINAS NYAN! NGAUN PAANO NYO SASABHIN NA ANG MGA PINOY AY TAMAD?!!!!! CGURO KAYA KA GANYAN AY NAIWAN NLANG KAU DYAN AT WALA NG IBANG NARATING AT WALA NA KAUNG IBANG MARARATING DAHIL SA PANINIRA NYO SA MGA PINOY!
NGAUN! KUNG MAGPARTY MAN ANG PINOY CGURO NAMN AY DESERVING NMAN CLA DHIL SA KNILANG PINAGHIRAPAN AT WALANG KAUNG PAKIALAM KASI HINDI NYO PERA UN! KUNG ANDTO KAU SA IBANG BANSA KAILANGAN TALAGANG MAGING MASAYAHIN DAHIL KUNG HINDI AY BAKA UMUWI KANG SISA SA PINAS!
NGAUN SA MGA MAHAL KONG PINOY NA NASA HUSTON HULOG ANG UTAK. SANA AY GAMITIN NATIN ITONG PANINIRA NA ITO PARA LALO NATING PAGBUTIHIN ANG ATING MGA GINAGAWA PARA MAKITA NG MGA MAL EDUCADONG MGA HAMBOG NA BAKULAW NA ITO NA HINDI NILA DPAT GINA GANITO ANG MGA PINOY!
MABUHAY ANG MGA PINOY!!!!!
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waitwat Reply:
April 7th, 2010 at 2:42 am
Sige i-spoil mo pa ang kalahatan ng mga tamad dito sa Pinas, para “umunlad” tayo. Gusto mo siguro forever maging mababa ang karamihan ng pinoy dito para malaki parin ang exchange ng sweldo mo ‘no?
“Mabuhay” my ass. You also condone bad practice and the bad traits of the Filipino people. You are no different from the genocidal asshole from history, they kill off thousands of people through brute force, while you kill them off by making letting them rot away and not informing them. You want the bad to stay bad and let them stew while you go have a good life. Your “Mabuhay” is full of bull**** and you should feel bad.
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Ma Xianding Reply:
April 7th, 2010 at 3:13 am
Nice answer! Tama ka diyan. Her mabuhay is bull****.
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ang paulit ulit kong tanong sa inyo. ano na ba ang nagawa mo para umunlad ang pilippinas?!!!! eto ba ang ipinagmamalaki nyo? ang mpanghusga?!!! hah!! eto lang? i doubt…makaktulong ka sa ating bansa kung lagi kau manlait ng kpwa nyo?baka nga mas masahol ka pa sa mga tao dyan eh… at baka akala nyo eh nagpapakasarap lang ang mga ofw dito sa ibang bansa…pwes nagkakamali ka.nagkanda kuba kuba kami rito kakayod para may maipadala dyan sa mga mahal nmin sa buhay at sa economy na din ng pilipinas…unlike you and your walang kwentang mga kauri na wlang ginawa kundi puro panlalait…hah! mahiya nman kau sa mga balat nyo.
may pa geno genocidal ka pang nalalaman..eh ikaw sampu ng iyong mga alagad lang namn ang nagsasabing mga tamad ang pilipino. bakit ko iinform sila sa bagay na di ako naniniwla?!!!! utak utak nasaan ang utak mo?
at kung exchange rate lang ng sahod ang pagbabasehan mo para sabhin gusto nmin na mababa nalng karamihan sa mga pinoy dyan..kita mo? the way you think…puro negatibo…at siguro nga iyan ang dapat mong bahuhin…imbes na negatibo..palitan mo ng mga positive na bagay ang mga iniisip mo…that way you can think of a better way how to improve our lives as well as to imporve the economy of our country….mag isip isip ka muna..gamitin mo ang utak mo..hindi mo ba alam ang law of supply and demand?!!!! iapply mo yan sa currency para malaman mo kung paano nakaKAktulong sa bansa ang pinapadala naming pera dyan?!!..at isa pa…bkit d kau mag try mag trabaho sa ibang bansa at nang malaman mo kung paano matuyo ang dugo, pawis at laway mo sa sobrang init dito…cguro mas matutuwa pa si juan de la cruz kung imbes na puputak putak ka dyan na d mawari kung saan mangingitlog eh magtrabho ka ng maayos para namn kahit papano eh makatulong ka khit sa mumunting paraan lang.
kahit anong gawin nyong mga makikitid ang utak d ako naniniwala at hinding hindi ako maniniwala na ang mga pinoy ay tamad! fyi ang dhilan kung bkit ang mga pinoy ay hinahangaan dito sa ibang bansa.bukod sa masisipag. magaling sa trabaho..d gaya nyo na puro putak ng putak wala naman nagagawa. cguro nga mas mabuti kung baguhin nyo ang takbo ng baluktot nyong pag iisip at i divert ang talino nyo “kung meron man” sa mas makabuluhang bagay…d gaya neto na nakaka offend kau sa kapwa nyo…kung totong mga matatalino kau….mag isip kau ng paraan kung paano mkakapag bigay ng trabaho sa mga pilipino at iyan ang ipo post nyo dito.at nang sakaling may makakita ng mga naisip nyong paraan at gamitn..cguro matutuwa pa ako sa inyo at lalo ko pa kaung hangaan.d lang ako..kundi ang buong sambayanan!
ISA PANG MABUHAY SA LAHAT NG MGA PINOY….PATULOY TAUNG GUMAWA NG TAMA, MAGSIKAP AT UMASA NA SA LALONG MADALING PANAHON LAHAT LAHAT TAU AY MAGING MATAGUMPAY SA BUHAY..ISIPIN NATIN….HABANG MAY BUHAY MAY PAG ASA…
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BongV Reply:
April 8th, 2010 at 6:12 pm
bulsyet..
nagtanim kami at pinagnakawan.
nagnegosyo kami at pinagnakawan.
kumayod kami ng matino at pinag-inggitan, inintregahan..
kaya” tang’na nyo.. manigas kayong lhata sa kagagawan nyo .. SYET.
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TO BONGV: Hindi lang ikaw ang nakakaranas ng gnyan..im sure mas madami pa dyan ang nakakaranas ng mas mahirap pa sa nararnasan mo. Hwag ka lang sumuko…bagkus ay pagiibayuhin mo pa ang ginagawa mo. ang sipag mo samahan mo ng tyaga at dasal…I’m sure…magging matagumpay ka din bandang huli….
PAGPALAIN KA PA SANA SA MGA PANGARAP MO SA BUHAY…
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This article reminds me of how most of my peers behave with regards to our academics.
I am currently a college student and nearly graduating. In the three years that I have spent with my batch, I just have to say, most of what this article speaks of, my peers and myself are guilty of.
Long story short, I was once a member of the organization of our course and I resigned because they were promoting the values (vices) stated above. The quality of the projects of my sector in the organization was always questionable at best. The people were always uninspired with regards to the projects they were assigned, hence lazy-arsed work ethics and even more so, quality-compromised output. They always settled for “at least may nagawa” rather than aim for “we can do our best.” And that really irritated me to a fault. Another unsettling aspect of their behavior is that when it comes to our organizations real projects, you couldn’t feel the passion in their work but, lo and behold, whenever it was about org parties, did they give it all they had.
Every time something can be celebrated, they make an excuse out of it to get drunk and party.
We are supposed to be the hope of our nation and here we lie, drunk, lazy and uninspired to do any real work.
How depressing.
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hindi kami mapang husga sinasabi lang namin ang totoo..
di matanggap nang mga pilipino ang katotohanan.. we say we are poor, yet we waste our resources on trivial things..
we say we want change, yet we never learn from our mistakes..
tamad ang pilipino sa maraming paraan di lang sa trabaho.. ngunit tamad para tumanggap nang pagbabago..
mahiorap bang aminin sa sarili natin na nagkamali tayo?? na puro pacquiao at telenovela na lang ang iniisip nang karamihan sa atin
tignan na lang natin s ainternet…
mas marami ang nagcocomment sa abs-cbn vs. gma kaysa sa mga political issues ..
dyan pa lang nagrereflect na sa atin ang culture na.. itakwil ang katotohanan
filipinos love to party because they are afraid to face reality… they would rather drown themselves with alcohol and indulge in their antasises rather than do what needs to be done…
face it.. or f*ck off…
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YAN BA ANG TOTOO? kasi kung totoo yan d pati kaung ng sasabi nyan ay mga tamad din at walng silbi sa pilipinas! dpat pala sinisipa na kau palabas ng plipinas kasi d kau bagay na tawaging pinoy.
Ako ksi d ako naniniwala na tamad ang mga pinoy. kung meron man ibang tamad dun, a fraction lang siguro..but does not mean ng generally tamad diba? o baka kau yun na wla na ngang magawang maganda eh puro pa negative ang iniisip. Ni hindi nyo man lang nakikita ang kung paano ang pagkayod kalabaw ng karamihan sa mga pilipino para lang maitaguyod ang kani kanilang pamilya.
hindi po mali ang humanga sa isang pilipino na ngpapamalas ng gling sa ibang bansa at ngbibigay karangalan sa bansa? kung bumaha man ng tao sa lahat ng gym or kung sang lugar para langmakapanood ng laban ni pacquiao sa tingin ko wlang mali dun ksi nga humahanga tau sa kababayan natin…magtaka kau kung babaha ang tao para makapanood ng laban ni mayweather or nung ibang lahi. dpat pa nga matuwa tau kasi sinusuportahan ng ating kababayan ang kalahi natin.
kung mahilig man ang ibang pinoy sa mga telenobela? ano na nma ang mali dun?does that mean na wla ng ginagawa ang mga taong un sa buhay at un lang ang iniisip nila?cgro namn they deserve to be entertained pagkatapos ng isang araw or kadlasan halos “isang araw” na paghahanap buhay..at karapatan nila un bilang isang tao.baka nga cguro pati ikaw eh meron din kinahuhumalingang telenobela dyan.
and sa tungkol nman sa internet..i’m sorry lagi ako gumgamit ng internet pro i’m not that particular in numbers as to how many makes comment regarding gma vs abs…ang nababasa ko lang kadlasan eh comment bout politics…or cguro un ibang nagcocoment dun sa station battle eh paulit ulit na tao lang nman kaya nakikita mo madami comments..check mo ulit data mo. or kung totoo man ang sinsabi mo..then again..it’s an opinion of each person to give comment to that particular topic..and it does not necessarily mean na tamad na cla or they do not have interest sa bansa…please widen your thingking para mas mintindihan mo ang mga pangyayari sa pligid mo.
kung sinsabi mo na it’s about culture..then, so with other nationalities..and it does not necessarily mean na naapektuhan ang output or work nung isang taong ngcocoment dun diba…
kung tungkol naman sa party…ayan na nman..you are making statements generalizing filipinos kasi…kaya dyan ako d agree sau…kasi nga hindi lahat ng pilipino nagpaparty lang lagi…yes we party but occassional lang yan..and hindi lahat ng nagpaparty ay para makalimutan or talikuran ang reality..most just would like to express their hapiness or enjoy the company of their peers, families, officemates, etc. etc….and siguro namn again..i can say na most of them….deserve to enjoy namn siguro after their hardwork…diba? and i believe…mas malala pa ang partying in other countries..especially sa mga rich ones..so ano what do you think is the connection neto sa hindi pag unlad ng pilipinas? hmm…use your common sense….i believe this would help improve our economy pa nga eh…because of the law of supply and demand…correct me if im wrong..yes i admit that there are “SOME” but not generally speeking “FILIPINOS” na lumalagpas kesa sa kaya lang nila..but again..not all.. diba?…
NOW…hope you understand that i make diference when you say “SOME” rather than generalizing Filipinos..
Lastly… Kung ako ay mamamatay at may chance na mabuhay ulit..I will still choose to become a filipino….I love being a Filipino…I’ve met many nationalities already but still…I can proudly say that “IBA PA RIN ANG PINOY” and I am proud being a Filipino….
Try mo mag work dito sa Dubai..where you can meet different nationalities…I Tell you..despite sa mga negative na nasasabi mo tungkol sa lahi mo…masasabi mo parin na “Masarap parin ang maging PINOY”!!!…
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Compared to the countries mentioned, the Philippines is uncreative, less enterprising, and impatient. Thanks to miseducation and a false sense of national pride.
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YAN BA ANG TOTOO? kasi kung totoo yan d pati kaung ng sasabi nyan ay mga tamad din at walng silbi sa pilipinas! dpat pala sinisipa na kau palabas ng plipinas kasi d kau bagay na tawaging pinoy.
Ako ksi d ako naniniwala na tamad ang mga pinoy. kung meron man ibang tamad dun, a fraction lang siguro..but does not mean ng generally tamad diba? o baka kau yun na wla na ngang magawang maganda eh puro pa negative ang iniisip. Ni hindi nyo man lang nakikita ang kung paano ang pagkayod kalabaw ng karamihan sa mga pilipino para lang maitaguyod ang kani kanilang pamilya.
hindi po mali ang humanga sa isang pilipino na ngpapamalas ng gling sa ibang bansa at ngbibigay karangalan sa bansa? kung bumaha man ng tao sa lahat ng gym or kung sang lugar para langmakapanood ng laban ni pacquiao sa tingin ko wlang mali dun ksi nga humahanga tau sa kababayan natin…magtaka kau kung babaha ang tao para makapanood ng laban ni mayweather or nung ibang lahi. dpat pa nga matuwa tau kasi sinusuportahan ng ating kababayan ang kalahi natin.
kung mahilig man ang ibang pinoy sa mga telenobela? ano na nma ang mali dun?does that mean na wla ng ginagawa ang mga taong un sa buhay at un lang ang iniisip nila?cgro namn they deserve to be entertained pagkatapos ng isang araw or kadlasan halos “isang araw” na paghahanap buhay..at karapatan nila un bilang isang tao.baka nga cguro pati ikaw eh meron din kinahuhumalingang telenobela dyan.
and sa tungkol nman sa internet..i’m sorry lagi ako gumgamit ng internet pro i’m not that particular in numbers as to how many makes comment regarding gma vs abs…ang nababasa ko lang kadlasan eh comment bout politics…or cguro un ibang nagcocoment dun sa station battle eh paulit ulit na tao lang nman kaya nakikita mo madami comments..check mo ulit data mo. or kung totoo man ang sinsabi mo..then again..it’s an opinion of each person to give comment to that particular topic..and it does not necessarily mean na tamad na cla or they do not have interest sa bansa…please widen your thingking para mas mintindihan mo ang mga pangyayari sa pligid mo.
kung sinsabi mo na it’s about culture..then, so with other nationalities..and it does not necessarily mean na naapektuhan ang output or work nung isang taong ngcocoment dun diba…
kung tungkol naman sa party…ayan na nman..you are making statements generalizing filipinos kasi…kaya dyan ako d agree sau…kasi nga hindi lahat ng pilipino nagpaparty lang lagi…yes we party but occassional lang yan..and hindi lahat ng nagpaparty ay para makalimutan or talikuran ang reality..most just would like to express their hapiness or enjoy the company of their peers, families, officemates, etc. etc….and siguro namn again..i can say na most of them….deserve to enjoy namn siguro after their hardwork…diba? and i believe…mas malala pa ang partying in other countries..especially sa mga rich ones..so ano what do you think is the connection neto sa hindi pag unlad ng pilipinas? hmm…use your common sense….i believe this would help improve our economy pa nga eh…because of the law of supply and demand…correct me if im wrong..yes i admit that there are “SOME” but not generally speeking “FILIPINOS” na lumalagpas kesa sa kaya lang nila..but again..not all.. diba?…
NOW…hope you understand that i make diference when you say “SOME” rather than generalizing Filipinos..
Lastly… Kung ako ay mamamatay at may chance na mabuhay ulit..I will still choose to become a filipino….I love being a Filipino…I’ve met many nationalities already but still…I can proudly say that “IBA PA RIN ANG PINOY” and I am proud being a Filipino….
Try mo mag work dito sa Dubai..where you can meet different nationalities…I Tell you..despite sa mga negative na nasasabi mo tungkol sa lahi mo…masasabi mo parin na “Masarap parin ang maging PINOY”!!!…
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Karamihan sa mga Pinoy ay tamad!
Makikita na lamang sa mga ayos ng mga bahay at bakuran. Kahit mahirap, kung maayos ang kapaligiran, makikita ang kaunlaran. Imbes na ayusin ang kanilang mga bahay at mga bakuran ay nakatambay ang karamihan. Maraming mga Domestic Helpers ang aking mga nakausap at pare-pareho ang kanilang hinaing na ang asawa na naiiwan sa bahay at mga anak ay hindi maasikaso sa bahay at bakuran. Kung mag-negosyo man ay hindi rin masinop at masikap. Karamihan ay biglaang kita ng pera lamang ang pakay.
Karamihan ay maghapong nakaupo, hindi kumikilos at ayaw makaranas ng pawis at init ng araw. Maghapon ang telebisyon kaya ang mga bata ay wala na ding matutunang iba kung hindi magpakasaya sa mga programang hindi nakapagbibigay ng wastong kaalaman sa pamumuhay.
Sa mga mauunlad na bansa, pagkagaling sa trabaho ay nagpapahinga lamang sila ng mga 30 Minuto. Pagkatapos niyan ay gawaing bahay o gardening, may mga aktibidad na pangkalusugan. May oras ang panonood ng telebisyon. Ang mga kabataan ay protektado sa mga programang walang kabuluhan. Nawawala ang pagiging produktibo ng mga kaisipan.
Ang kaunlaran ay dapat na magsimula sa pamilya. Itinuturo din naman sa mga paaralan ang wastong pamumuhay subalit hindi ginagamit ng karamihan. Kung walang magtuturo sa mga anak, paano na ang mga susunod na henerasyon?
Mas magiging “proud to be Pinoy” ako kung nandito tayo sa sariling bansa, dito nagtratrabaho at nag-aasikaso ng kanilang mga pamilya, industriya at pamahalaan. Kailangang baguhin na ang mga lumang pananaw at tradisyon.
Karamihan sa mga bansang mauunlad ngayon ay nagpadala ng mga tao sa mga mauunlad na bansa at ang kanilang natutuhan doon ay kanilang ipinatupad sa mga mamamayan at pamahalaan. Tayo lamang na mga Pilipino ang mahirap kumbinsihin. Kung ano ang nakasanayan, iyon pa din ang gustong sitwasyon. Pero ang karamihan ay sumisigaw ng pagbabago at pag-unlad!
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Miriam Quiamco Reply:
June 4th, 2010 at 6:08 pm
Sana napag-uusapan sa TV o radyo ang mga ganitong opinyon, kasi totoo talaga na korapsyon ay hindi lang pinoy at hindi ito ang nagpapalugmok sa atin, ang ating kawalan ng tamang makinarya sa gobierno para makagawa ng magagandang polisiya, iyon bagang tinatawag nilang bureaucracy, mga ahensya ng gobierno na seryoso sa pagpapatupad ng polisiya at nag-iisip talaga kung ano ang makabubuti sa bansa. Sira tala ang ating bureaucracy, sa ibang bansa, may korapsyon, pero ang gobierno may klarong plataporma kung ano ang dapat mangyari para makuha ang mga goals ng polisiya nga gobierno, meron bagang klarong daan, at ang mga tao ay sinsabihan dito para naman may pagkakaisa, wala tayo nito eh, puro tayo batikos, kahit sino pang pamahalaan, batikos ng batikos, wala tayong pagkakaisa, at kung problema ng korapsyon, dapat ang lahat ng sektor ng bansa ay pag-isipan kung papaano lulutasin ang korapsyon, hindi naman talaga nawawala iyan, kaya lahat ng gobierno sa buong mundo at pinag-iisipan palagi ito. Sa China, iniexecute na ang mga government officials, kahit na mataas ang rangko para lang lutasin ito, pero ewan kung malulutas, pero meron pa rin silang economic growth, dahil meron silang pagkakaisa. Ito sana ang plataporma ni Teodoro, sayang hindi siya nahalal.