If there’s one thing OneTamad and horny broadway puppets have taught me is that everyone is racist. There are racist KOREANS, INDIANS, KKK, Blood, CRIPS, Thais, CHINESE and European racists. Accept it, we are no more and no less racist than everyone else.
You guys that have seemed to have gotten hung up on ‘racist’ are completely missing the point. Filipinos are, in general, inconsiderate, undisciplined, and selfish. The unaccountable butt-kissing of certain foreign types or insulting behaviours towards others are just manifestations of that – racist by strict definition, true, but not really the problem. Which is probably a notion from which you should take some comfort, because to be perfectly frank, you can’t even do racism right: Filipinos collectively have an inferiority complex that would fill a sea. Excusing racism as somehow being unavoidable or acceptable because “everyone’s that way,” or even more idiotically, because you take your social interaction cues from a shallow, two-star musical is a typically lazy Pinoy response – describe for us, in rational terms, how that point of view substantially differs from the response of the police to Iya’s noise complaint. Not only is the boorish behaviour aggressively practiced, it is just as aggressively tolerated – overlooked, excused, or when it becomes absolutely necessary to address, addressed with the most minimal stop-gap measure available. Honestly, do you think “Bawal Umihi Dito” is a legitimate solution? Some people like to proudly call others’ attention to Filipino “uniqueness,” well there’s one for you – the first thing a foreigner learns to read in your language is “Don’t Pee Here.”Iya’s original blog post on this topic, this is a matter of observation and not experience on my part: people generally treat me fairly well most of the time – part of that ass-backwards concept of racism, I guess – but I simply cannot help but notice that you all treat each other like shit most of the time. As another author here has recently pointed out, and what I recognized a long time ago is that you have little chance of being able to correct big problems like corruption and lawlessness if you can’t even manage the basics of acceptable personal behaviour. And as I pointed out in my comments to
FreeSince09 Reply: February 24th, 2010 at 11:11 am
oh you mean that other countries and cultures don’t have their own brand of rudeness and chauvinism? The same level methinks exists everywhere,even if you’re a redneck or a Flip that screams to a passing caucasian “Hey Joe!” With people saying that it’s only you that finds it insulting, apparently.
Okay, Flip. That’s who you’ll be to me from now on. That suit you?
Everybody has their own brand of rudeness and chauvinism, as you put it, that’s true. It’s everybody’s responsibility to overcome that. Just because someone else has the same problem does not diminish your own problem.
I’ll assume that for the sake of saving face you’ll tell me the answer to my first question is, “Yes, that suits me fine, I’m not bothered by petty name-calling.” Which is the first of two flaws in your mind-set. How can you be certain that I didn’t intend it as an insult? Unless you are completely isolated from Pinoy culture, you certainly know that particular slur has not taken hold as a fad of street language and thereby diminished some of its negative connotation (in the same way that many African-Americans will go about calling each other “nigger”, for example). Thus, you would have to acknowledge that either a) I am trying to insult you, or b) I’m a moron, and don’t know that “Flip” is a slur. If you don’t correct me, then that means either a) you are unable to recognize when you are being insulted, or b) you are willfully insensitive, and that in two ways: insensitive to your own reasonable expectation of being treated with common decency, and insensitive to the same expectations of your community, whom I might go out and further insult. It’s a fairly basic and accepted psychological principle that those who are abused in some way have a high probability of being abusive themselves to others.
The second flaw in your thinking is insisting that “everybody behaves badly” which implies that Pinoy misbehaviour is excusable. Here’s another way to think about that: I smoke. Because there are lots of other people who also smoke, when the health problems from the habit finally catch up with me and kill me, it won’t be my fault because it’s just what a lot of other people do — hell, that practically makes it normal. That point of view is no more illogical than justifying Pinoy rudeness. And the effort to justify it is nothing more than enabling it to continue, because you’re not doing anything to stop it, probably not even in your own interactions — people can justify things much easily for themselves than they can others.
You think “Hey Joe” is harmless? Say it to a Frenchman or a German sometime and see what happens — you can’t tell us apart by looking.
Makabayanwrote on 23 February, 2010, 13:27
The question is: Why are we racist?
Could it be, during Spanish times, that the best way of social mobility was to marry a white Spaniard or a half-Spaniard mestizo? Could it be that our preference for whiteness is so deeply ingrained into our psyche that it would require 300 years of reprogramming to undue this damage?
And my mom who’s in the UK said, “Kung Amerikano racist, mas lalo ang Pinoy. Kung tumingin sa itim o hindi puti, ang baba.” Yep, there’s a racist in every people… and it’s always for vested interests.
Nakakatawa ang ibang mga Pilipino. Nakatikim lang ng konting gaan sa buhay at pagkakataong makatira sa ibang bansa, pakiramdam nila’y isa na silang banyaga. Para silang mga hipokritong nagmamalinis. It is really funny how “good” these people are that they can generalize Filipinos as such.
I guess US made the author so high and mighty. With our culture as reference, other countries like the author’s place of ass-licking refuge, is nothing but a place full of baby-killers, polygamous bitches, and money-grabbers who had their priorities in life skewed.
Kung di tayo makasabay sa kultura ng mga Pilipino, lumayas tayo sa Pilipinas. Matuto tayong magpasensha kasi nasa Pilipinas tayo. Huwag din natin husgahan ang asal ng buong bansa sa pagtingin sa asal ng mga taga-Metro Manila. Pagisipan natin ang mga sinusulat nang di magmukhang mangmang.
Dagdag pa, ika nga ng mga matatanda, kung di ka parte ng solusyon, kahit magdadadak ka at magiingay gaya ng mga aktibista, isa ka sa PROBLEMA.
I guess US made the author so high and mighty. With our culture as reference, other countries like the author’s place of ass-licking refuge, is nothing but a place full of baby-killers, polygamous bitches, and money-grabbers who had their priorities in life skewed.
And the Phil made Gman so high and mighty – with reference to pinoy culture like Gman’s
* worse-than-a-dumpster squatter colonies
* trash-laden streets with rats larger than a cat scampering around
* law enforcement system where the difference between a criminal and a cop is that the other party has a badge
* polygamous Pinoys and their retinue of GROs, Masahistas, Kabits, Pokpoks – and Pinays who wanna turn the table on the chauvinist Pinoys have to deal with the stupid double standard of the typical Pinoy male’s ego – which is just about the size of his d*ck
* warlord-dominated, mafia-style godfather-wannabes in every corner and locality – from purok councilman to baranggay captain, city councilor, mayor, governor, RDC chair, all the way to the top!
* a “baby lover nation” with the highest incidence of child pickpockets, child prostitutes, child beggars, and more recently child abductions as sources of organ transplants.
* and a country full of estapadors – panay hingi ng cash advance, di naman ginagawa yung trabaho, ikaw pa ang masama pag pinaalaala mo.
Awww, did it hit your nerve Bong V? Sorry if you love US more than you love the Philippines. It would be better for you if you just go there and leave this dysfunctional country. When you leave, take the foreigners buying our land in Bagiuo, Cebu, and in the provinces with you.
Sometimes it is just disappointing to know that Filipinos (specially those who had the opportunity to be in other country) are losing hope and thinking that our country is a hopeless case. If you have that mindset, it would be better if you just leave this dysfunctional country and burn your links with the Filipinos. Go to your better country. Why call yourself Filipinos when you will be branded as one of what you outlined above? Why?
By the way you can add this * trash ex-filipinos who take pleasure in comparing dysfunctional Philippines to the countries they now take as their new perfect home.
Hit a nerve – phrase does not exist in my lexicon amigo
Leave? Matagal na!!! ROTFLMAO!
And you know what, the Asians (Taiwanese, Korean, Japanese, Thai, Indonesian) that I meet wonder why despite all the professionals in the Philippines, the Philippines is so screwed up. I till them because for every 1 sane law-abiding, civic-minded Filipino there are 100,000 Filipinos who are IDIOTS who put up with the idiocy.
As to buying YOUR land in Baguio, you have to ask me? to tell the buyer off? How can the foreigner buy your land – the constitution does not allow it. Aren’t you violating the law? Ayan Exhibit #1 ka – typical Filipino Lawbreaker, tapos aangal pag nalamangan, gawain naman. asus.
Parallax Reply: February 25th, 2010 at 6:18 pm
hahahahaha
tinamaan si gman. lol
Gman Reply: February 28th, 2010 at 11:37 pm
Parallax, tinamaan kadin, Filipino ka din e. BongV, I don’t own any land in baguio, I’m nobody’s exhibit. But unfortunately, you are mine. Hahaha!
The Philippines is like this because some Filipinos, like Exhibit 1 – BongV, who may be sane law-abiding and civic-minded, already left the country instead of serving the Philippines. Instead of contributing to make their country a better place, then they just look for a new comfortable nation to call their home. Then they keep yelping and barking that the Philippines is not like their new nation. “Bakit ganyan sa Pilipinas, dito samin, ganto, ganto. Di na kayo nagbago pabulok na ng pabulok.”
Maraming mga Pilipino ang malansa at maituturing na mga basura – nagiging Pilipino kung may kaginhawahan at karangalang makakamtan, ngunit lilisanin ang Pilipinas sa sandaling dusa’t kahirapa’y nakaamba.
Parallax Reply: March 1st, 2010 at 6:14 am
@Gman, hindi lahat ng filipino ay tinatamaan ng diskusyong ito. ang tinatamaan nito ay ang (a) mga may racist behaviour towards those of different racial origin, (b) mga masasamang ugali at walang konsiderasyon sa kapwa, at (k) mga naiinggit sa mga nagtagumpay abroad kaya idinedepensa ang mga kabaluktutan ng katwira’t pag-iisip ng mga pinoy sa pinas.
ikaw ay bahagi ng letrang k, gboy.
kung di ka makaalis sa bansa mo, huwag kang magalit sa mga nakararaig sa iyo. hindi nila kasalanan kung ikaw at iyong mga kababayan ang palpak.
BongV, I don’t own any land in baguio, I’m nobody’s exhibit. But unfortunately, you are mine. Hahaha!
The Philippines is like this because some Filipinos, like Exhibit 1 – BongV, who may be sane law-abiding and civic-minded, already left the country instead of serving the Philippines. Instead of contributing to make their country a better place, then they just look for a new comfortable nation to call their home. Then they keep yelping and barking that the Philippines is not like their new nation. “Bakit ganyan sa Pilipinas, dito samin, ganto, ganto. Di na kayo nagbago pabulok na ng pabulok.”
Maraming mga Pilipino ang malansa at maituturing na mga basura – nagiging Pilipino kung may kaginhawahan at karangalang makakamtan, ngunit lilisanin ang Pilipinas sa sandaling dusa’t kahirapa’y nakaamba.
Dyan ka mali gman, I have assets in the Philippines which I have invested in. And I can invest some more, but the the way Filipinos do business in the Philippines is just lousy – full of red tape, full of fixers, andaming humihingi ng lagay – Filipinos are corrupt.
Malas mo na lang at di ka nakalabas at maintindihan what world class means at ng hindi ka… wa-class
I was in this airport in America, I asked a roving TSA with cotton swab in hand to direct me to Cathay Pacific. He said, “see those line of boxes snaking around the terminal? Follow those boxes to the check-in counter. Across that counter is Cathay Pacific” DUDE, THE DIRECTION WAS RIGHT ON!
Without the TSA knowing I also have two balikbayan boxes. I was the only passenger, I guess, with balikbayan boxes checking in Cathay Pacific.
One older man came to me, he said, “young man, I think that check-in counter across must be your airline”. I showed him my ticket it to Cathay Pacific. I was connecting to Cebu direct from HK.
There is no right-of-way in the PHilippines. Wrong-of-way is the rule. I stopped at a STOP sign. The SUV behind me leaned on his horn until I moved. He pulled beside me and gave me two dirty-fingers.
dang, an FOB asked if we knew someone in the DMV who can issue him a license because he failed to pass the written and practical exam five times.
we were laughing and told him, nasa amerika ka na, hindi na pilipinas ito – matuto kang sumunod sa batas – or take the bus, or take a bike, or take a hike!
in 2003, there were dudes in the memphis DMV who were doing that (issuing licenses for a bribe) – the FBI nailed ‘em – confiscated all their property (house, car, savings), forfeited their retirement and sent ALL OF THE people involved to jail – including their section head.
kung pilipinas yun, nakupow, nilagayan na ang NBI… ang Pinoy nga naman.
Baka yung nameet mo yung.. BSN – Binuhi Sa Nurse (Binubuhay ng Nurse)
can’t find a job – gusto white collar agad, wala namang skillset, kaya naging tsuper ni misis – lotsa pinoys here get comfy with being mister mom – pag yun nameet mo – super yabang… naka BMW Z2 – si misis naman nagbabayad…si misis baon sa utang.. si mister pinoy – pa gym gym at basketball.. LOL.
Some of them can be found attending FilAm get-togethers, where one can usually hear the question, “Saan mo nabili yan?”.
From my experiences, the ones most likely to become mayabang in a foreign land are usually the ones who were absolute nobodies when they were here.
The smart Pinoys adopt to the culture of the land they are in, while the idiot Pinoys expect the country they’re in to adopt to their Pinoy culture…..Remember the story of this douchebag in a foreign country who was fired for using “tabo” to clean the tae off his fat ass while messing-up his office restroom? Siya pa ang nagalit after his office laid him off!
Hey Homer, that’s another side of the story. I know of the Filipina in Australia who was reportedly jailed by her employer for simply using water to clean her ass after dumping. She was thought to go against environmental policy to “save water.” But I doubt she scattered her poo all over the place. My autistic nephew does that, though. :/
This other guy you described used the tabo, but didn’t care if he messed up the bathroom. Now that’s a clear demonstration of lack of consideration. He cleans his ass but doesn’t care if the next user will have a clean bathroom to use. That sure is a ground for dismissal.
Now there are two tabo stories – which one shows the better Filipino?
Hahahaha…this is such a funny thread…basta malinis yung______ ,ok lang madumihan yung toilet…hahaha. Sabi nga ng mga Assumptionista: “Kadiri to death!”
Let me copy some other comments I made on Iya’s blog:
There was this other observation while I was in Singapore. In the middle of mass, a cellphone rang, and the one who answered it was an elder Filipino. “Hello! Ano!” He spoke at the top of his voice, like those other people you observe in the bus or MRT shouting into their cellphones. But he was in church for crying out loud (pun not intended)! People were looking at him, and my mom could not help but sigh. Matanda pa yan ha! Kakahiya. Is that rude or what?
I heard on Sentro ng Katotohanan from an Ang Kapatiran representative that GMRC (Good Manners, Right Conduct) is sadly not being put to heart by Filipinos. This is what needs to be revived in schools. And it should be done using SECULARIST ethics, not Catholic.
The thing is, even if there are fewer misbehaved Filipinos (let’s say, 56 good 44 bad, marami pa rin ang bad, hehe), the kind of misbehaviors and mistakes they make are loud. They are so pronounced that people will think the Pinoys are like that. Like that Filipino in church… not only was he literally loud, the kind of misbehavior he was making was loud… and it would make other nationalities think that all Filipinos should into their cellphones even while in church. I always find it funny too that people have to shout into their cellphones when they could just place the phones nearer their mouths.
pag nakatira ka sa isang subdivision…. walang pakialam ang kapitbahay mo sa ingay na ginagawa nila… mula sa aso na magdamagang kumakahol… sa videoOKE na wala sa tono ang pag atungal na trying hard na magpaka DIVA o Balladeer… geez buong magdamag pag may okasyon. paano kung araw araw may bertdey, kasal at binyag?
pag pumipila ka sa isang terminal…. me mga taong sisingit sa pila… matandang babae, sigang poser, matronang tsismosa na nakakita ng kakilala sa pila.
pag nagdadrayb ka sa kalye… merong mga sasakyan na may wangwang (siren) na kala mo sila ang may ari ng daan…. minsan hihinto ako bigla at itataas ang hood ko… kunwari sira…. kaya bahala sya sa buhay nya… suntukan na lang kami pag sinigawan nya ako. isama mo na din dyan yung pagkahabahabang entourage ng isang putang inang pulitikong pulpol na may dalawang pulis patola sa harapan na hinahawi ang daan…. minsan tanungin mo ang pulis… “ser sino na namang kupal yan?”… ngingiti lang sayo… sasabihin “trabaho lang po.” tangina nyo pera naming nagbabayad ng buwis yang ginagasolina ng motor ninyo para gawing prinsepe sa daan ang mga hindot na pulitikong pulpol na yan.
sa mga coffee shops… lalo na sa starbucks… yang mga mahihilig magtaas ng paa sa silya na akala mo sosyal at ke lakas lakas mag kwento na wala namang wenta… hindi porke naka-starbucks ka at bumili ka ng frapochino o copi gely may karapatan ka nang ipatong ang paa mo sa silya… courtesy ang tawag dyan… dahil marami pang pwet ang gagamet ng silya na pinatungan mo ng paa mo na di namin alam kung may alipunga. tsaka please… hindi interesado ang mga katabi mong makinig dyan sa mga kwento ng gadget mo o boylets mo. dun kayo sa luneta… i take out nyo na lang yang kape nyo.
I nod my head in agreement with most of what’s being said here. I need not add my own observations just to point out how embarassing Pinoy behavior can be sometimes.
The behavior of a stuck-up f*gg*t on another thread should provide another glowing example.
I concur with most of what the article’s author and most of what those that sent a comment said. I too am very irritated with the people who are very inconsiderate and generally feel the world revolves around them.
The article’s author is correct to mention that people in the Philippines, from the lowly member of the masses to the high and mighty elected “servants” of the masses, generally do not act with the slightest hint of common decency. One commenter correctly mentioned that this has been ingrained in the psyche of the Filipinos. This is a behavior that has been passed on from our ancestors who have been repressed by foreign occupiers. We, as a nation, have a tendency to do our best to please those who we feel are superior to us or those who we feel can raise our station in life. On the other hand, we also have the tendency to step on the toes of the people we feel are inferior to us or to do our very best to be in a position to be able to do so. This we can see is being done by hook or by crook.
However, I feel there is still hope for the Philippines. There is still a chance for us to be a truly thoughtful people, a truly courteous people, a truly respectful people and a truly disciplined people that can be a shining example of decency in the world.
I understand that this has to start with a leader who has the political will to lead the Philippines down the righteous path. A leader who can lead though actions and words. A leader who is focused on doing what’s good for everyone and not just for the privileged few. Hopefully, this leader will be the one who wins the elections.
I also understand that this leader will also need the support of the people. The people should also want to change and to move in the direction of decency. It’s unfortunate that most of the Filipinos don’t know how to do this but all that is needed is a few people to open their eyes to what is good. The people have to know what is right , and the people have to be reminded of what is right. The people need to see what wrong things are being done and what right things need to be done.
This is where people like the article’s author comes in. The people who sent in their comments need to pitch in also. We all have to do our share to help people change their bad behaviors, or at least help people see what is the correct, or better path. Another commenter said, “if you are not part of the solution, then you are….” This is very true! We all have the means to use new tools that can be used to change the aforementioned bad behavior of the masses.
Behavior is a product of that which is ingrained combined with that which is taken in from the environment. The Filipinos have been exposed to very few decent people and the indecent ones are those that are adding to and enforcing the negativity passed on from the past. It is high time that an environment of decency should be cultivated in the modern Philippine environment.
Every long journey always starts with a very small step. If all of us can just help one person we meet everyday to see the light, there is a chance that these people will have their eyes opened. They in turn, can help others do the same thing. Pretty soon, maybe in our lifetime, a truly long lasting change for the good may happen. We all have to start caring for the Philippines! Apathy is not the answer! We all have to help each other in this endeavor!
Joseph, A goot leader tried to change the Filipinos, the messenger (the idyot peryodistas) intentionally screw up the intention to pit Filipinos against Filipinos to increase general circulation and bottom line. Because the messengers themselves are Filipinos.
SURGEON GENERAL WARNING: Reading this article causes high-blood pressure, irregular heartbeat, violent vengeful tendencies, hyperventilation and erratic behaviour. PLEASE REFRAIN FROM READING THIS ARTICLE BECAUSE THIS ARTICLE IS THE TRUTH BASED ON OBSERVATION. Filipinos do not want to hear the truth about themselves that is why they cannot correct the problem. Filipinos fails history all the time the reason they keep repeating it.
DISCLAIMER: This article is not scientific. It is based on observation. There cannot be a scientific study on Filipino because they wind up dead or being accused of BAKLA, ING-GIT, ENVY, JEALOUSNESS, WRONG GRAMMAR & SPELLING, NOT LEARNING. The ALL CAPITALIZED WORDS ARE COMMON DENOMINATOR of accusation if telling the truth
Filipinos are educated but not learning from it.
I would rather teach an OLD DOG NEW TRICKS than Filipinos OLD TRICKS.
No,I’m saying that Hey Joe! here is considered a “normal” thing to do here. I despise racism in all its forms. But when somebody says that Filipinos are “racist”, yeah well so are a lot of people. prejudice exists in all forms and cultures. It is a constant human habit, Pinoys have simply subverted their racism into a self-depecrating stance on their own race.
I actually chastised our housemate because she was screaming “Hey Joe!” in front of a passing white guy. turns out that it’s “OKAY” to use that slur. In this country at least.
Wooooo Hoooo! I agree with FreeSince09. Since all “… Filipinos are “racist”, yeah well so are a lot of people. prejudice exists in all forms and cultures. It is a constant human habit,…” THEREFORE, IT IS OK TO BE RACIST!!!! Yeeeehey!!!! WoWoWieeee!
Definition Racist: A racist is a person who race cars for a living.
“Hey, Joe” is a sign of the backwardness of our country. That’s what Americans were called here during World War 2. Is it still World War 2 now? Also, there are some Americans today who are insulted when called “joe.” We can’t tell them “live with it because you’re in our country.” That gives them the right then to call us “indios” when we go to their country. Tit for tat.
I get your point, FreeSince09. Hope you agree that we’re not racists here. We’re just generalizing based on observations. When we say “Filipinos are stupid…” we don’t mean everyone, but we mean those Filipinos… who are stupid after all. I guess the phenomenon I described explains things… rudeness tends to be louder, and “mabait” Filipinos tend to be “tahimik”… but when you’re rude you’re loud… and what’s louder is the more noticed… and thus becomes the stereotype.
I’ma filipina and I’m proud of it..I’m not bias i have some few observation and experienced that WE ARE ALSO THE SAME..yeah! we are rude and racist and masmataas ang level ng mga americans sa amin..level ng pagka racist! hehehe..
I experienced this one time when I;m talking over the phone to an AMERICAN WOMAN and she’s so mad and RUDE keep on saying bad words such as F***Y** and ST****B**** even without telling me what’s her concern and then when i found out what makes her mad..is tenen! she’s scratching the barcode! she can’t scratch the barcode to get her pin that make her mad (not to mention what kind of card is that)hehehe..see an old woman rude pa din pano pa kaya ang mga bata sa kanila..and hello! even abotin ka ng umaga you can’t scratch a barcode..that only shows..hehehehe..
I was at the public hospital around Manila one time..ng may pumasok na foreigners..may lumapit na nurse and the nurse entertein them ask them what’s their porblem and how can she help..inuna niya ang mga gagong iyon kesa sa mga kapwa pilipino niya na sampong oras na ata na naka pila..they say it’s juz part of being hospitable but NSAAN NA PAGIGING HOSPITABLE MO SA KAPWA MO??
Me and my friends was at the bar one night and we took some pictures to keep it as our remembrance..when this foreigner guy ruined our moments..aba! nag feeling pogi si mokong sinali niya ang sarili niya sa picture picture namin and NAKA BAD SIGN pa ha! soo rude..we told him to stop for about three times but he didn’t listen he keep on doing it..soo we decided to move na lang..it juz SHOW NA RUDE AND HARDHEADED DIN TALAGA SILA…
I experience this one night and I was so mad I can’t sleep because of our neighbor who celebrate the party for about three days damn! three days of hell..they sang until their throat outs and get drunk hanggang morgue..until boom! bigla silang nagsuntukan..even iyong motor nila pnaharurot nila na as if they are the only persons living in the world..yeah! MASAYAHIN LANG TALAGA ANG MGA PINOY..MASAYAHIN AT WALA DING PAKIALAM
“SEE..it juz show that even we are living in different world and living in different ideology still we have something in common..soo IF YOU ARE TELLING THAT WE ARE RUDE AND WHATEVER..YOU ALSO TELLING THAT TO YOURSELF*
I experienced this one time when I;m talking over the phone to an AMERICAN WOMAN and she’s so mad and RUDE keep on saying bad words such as F***Y** and ST****B**** even without telling me what’s her concern and then when i found out what makes her mad..is tenen! she’s scratching the barcode! she can’t scratch the barcode to get her pin that make her mad (not to mention what kind of card is that)hehehe..see an old woman rude pa din pano pa kaya ang mga bata sa kanila..and hello! even abotin ka ng umaga you can’t scratch a barcode..that only shows..hehehehe..
That woman wasn’t rude. She was absent-mindedly foul-mouthed. It doesn’t make that woman more rude or racist than you.
I was at the public hospital around Manila one time..ng may pumasok na foreigners..may lumapit na nurse and the nurse entertein them ask them what’s their porblem and how can she help..inuna niya ang mga gagong iyon kesa sa mga kapwa pilipino niya na sampong oras na ata na naka pila..they say it’s juz part of being hospitable but NSAAN NA PAGIGING HOSPITABLE MO SA KAPWA MO??
When it is an emergency, they have to be attended to IMMEDIATELY. No racism there. Which hospital was it anyway?
Me and my friends was at the bar one night and we took some pictures to keep it as our remembrance..when this foreigner guy ruined our moments..aba! nag feeling pogi si mokong sinali niya ang sarili niya sa picture picture namin and NAKA BAD SIGN pa ha! soo rude..we told him to stop for about three times but he didn’t listen he keep on doing it..soo we decided to move na lang..it juz SHOW NA RUDE AND HARDHEADED DIN TALAGA SILA…
Not to give that guy an excuse but you were at a bar with the possible “risk” that somebody drunk might do any number of things that would have him easily arrested elsewhere. He was rude, yes, but no surprise there. Any drunken Pinoy can do the same in any bar too.
I experience this one night and I was so mad I can’t sleep because of our neighbor who celebrate the party for about three days damn! three days of hell..they sang until their throat outs and get drunk hanggang morgue..until boom! bigla silang nagsuntukan..even iyong motor nila pnaharurot nila na as if they are the only persons living in the world..yeah! MASAYAHIN LANG TALAGA ANG MGA PINOY..MASAYAHIN AT WALA DING PAKIALAM
We have a lot of those in our streets too. Now THOSE Pinoys are rude.
“SEE..it juz show that even we are living in different world and living in different ideology still we have something in common..soo IF YOU ARE TELLING THAT WE ARE RUDE AND WHATEVER..YOU ALSO TELLING THAT TO YOURSELF*
Now that did not make any sense. Are you drunk? That is so rude.
I guess it’s easier to throw shit across the fence (especially when you think the place you currently live in is the best in your mind) than in your own yard. Let’s see how Europeans see Americans then… hmmm wait a minute, it sounds like Europeans would be saying the similar things about Americans what the author is saying about Filipinos… Depende lang kung anong tingin mo sa sarili mo… at tingin ng ibang tao sa iyo…. easier to bail and disown a struggling country, shed your own culture for a better one… but guess what, Filipino ka pa din kahit magpafacial recronstruction ka pa, magpa-bleach, magpalit ng accent… and other countries/cultures would think the same trash your throwing across the fence at you as well.
Ang babaw ng definition mo ng pagiging filipino…fixated on physical featues. If being Filipino is about watching crappy soap operas then no, I am not a Filipino.
Ang problema nga is the behavior of Filipinos, not looks. But if you use this as an analogy about behaviors as well, I still say there is a difference in Filipino habits and values that make them much worse off that Europeans or Americans… In fact, when I look across the fence, the Europeans and Americans, Thai, Singaporians and Indonesians are less similar in ugali. We’re more similar to the poorer Latin American countries like Ecuador, Nicaragua and Honduras. The Phils is a Latin American country in Asia.
Istura, di kayang baguhin, pero ang ugali, kayang-kayang baguhin. That’s the issue here.
I feel that your complaints about the behaviour of SOME Filipinos are valid. The key words here are Behaviour and Some. I think that the main problem that some people, including myself, in regard to this article is your generalization of Filipinos. I know that one of the most basic civil liberties we have is our freedom of speech, the freedom to express our thoughts, but as rational human beings (regardless of race of course because your are just so keen on race ;p) I feel it is essential to think before we express our opinions. Now, I know you have thought about this well enough and truly believe in what you wrote, but aside from what we want to express one should be careful on the “HOWs”, since you are one to talk about common courtesy. I personally have experienced some of the situations you found yourself into. Ex. I am grateful that it is not necessary for me to ride the mrt/lrt as a means for regular transportation it was definitely not the most pleasurable experience. Like I said your complaints are valid but not everyone is rude and thoughtless. You have labelled a whole nation as racist, undisciplined and other defamatory terms when you seem to have a myopic perspective of things. Yes you said that some are indeed good but they are outnumbered by the bad, however I agree with one comment stating that you seem to base your observations on the situation here in metro manila and even then your generalization can not be justified. You say that you find everything is dirty and irritating in the Philippines, have you been on other parts of the country? I find the city of Davao very clean, the people of cebu very friendly. I admire the scenic beauty of coron, palawan. Let us put things in perspective, I for one enjoy travels to the US, but like in the Philippines there are the nice places and the not so nice ones. There are the clean ones and the not so clean. The same with the other countries I’ve been to and its people. It just seems like you put US and maybe other foreign countries on a pedestal. It has been said that we have inherited this kind of mentality, an inferiority complex, which I feel you have illustrated. Reading your article I get the impression that you epitomize exactly what your “version” of a Filipino today is. Racism is discrimination based on race. And you my darling discriminates your own race. You have exhibited pure discrimination period. So again, it is essential to reflect on ourselves before passing judgement. I agree there is a problem. I agree that change is necessary. But change must start on one’s self. In short this article is simply hypocritical.
You have labelled a whole nation as racist, undisciplined and other defamatory terms when you seem to have a myopic perspective of things. Yes you said that some are indeed good but they are outnumbered by the bad, however I agree with one comment stating that you seem to base your observations on the situation here in metro manila and even then your generalization can not be justified. You say that you find everything is dirty and irritating in the Philippines, have you been on other parts of the country? I find the city of Davao very clean, the people of cebu very friendly. I admire the scenic beauty of coron, palawan.
Davao City was not clean before. It took a Rody Duterte – who literally whacked people in the neck, punched a driver, or what have you to get the law enforced – it was not out of pure civic-consciousness. it was done oout of fear – fear of bodily harm, fear of public humiliation – takot mapahiya. If Duterte stuck to being a cutie-patootie, there’s no way he’ll succed. People in Cebu and Davao can be friendly and just as racist against chinese, black people, and indians.
Let us put things in perspective, I for one enjoy travels to the US, but like in the Philippines there are the nice places and the not so nice ones. There are the clean ones and the not so clean. The same with the other countries I’ve been to and its people. It just seems like you put US and maybe other foreign countries on a pedestal. It has been said that we have inherited this kind of mentality, an inferiority complex, which I feel you have illustrated.
Each place has nice ones and not-so-nice ones – but some places have more nice-ones than the rest. Just like Boracay is nice, until you see the E. coli count.
Reading your article I get the impression that you epitomize exactly what your “version” of a Filipino today is. Racism is discrimination based on race. And you my darling discriminates your own race. You have exhibited pure discrimination period. So again, it is essential to reflect on ourselves before passing judgement. I agree there is a problem. I agree that change is necessary. But change must start on one’s self. In short this article is simply hypocritical.
The concept that discrimination can be based on “race” presupposes the existence of “race” itself. However, the US Government’s Human Genome Project has announced that the most complete mapping of human DNA to date indicates that there is no distinct genetic basis to racial types.[2] Based on this evidence, “racial characteristics” logically cannot exist either, such as group differences in eye color or human hair color.
According to the Human Genome Project, skin colordoes exist as a matter of science.[2] So, that which is commonly referred to as “racism” could be more scientifically referred to as “skin color-aroused discrimination”. The term “skin color aroused discrimination” has the benefit that it is based on verifiable science, is not based on disproved notions of science, and does not perpetuate a false belief in the disproved concept of biological “race”.[2]
What she discriminates against is boorish behavior, not race.
HusengBatute Reply: February 25th, 2010 at 3:08 pm
What she discriminates against is boorish behavior, not race.
Yes, this is also what I understand from the write-up. People say it is “racist” probably because she used the word “Filipinos.” But see, Filipinos are not composed of one race, they have Chinese, Spanish, American, and other so-called “races” all intermingled in there. So it is simply false that race was singled out by the author. Common culture or ethnicity may even be a more accurate trait.”Boorish behavior” is an ethno-cultural thing not a racial thing.
As it turns out, those who say it is racist are the ones who are actually being racist, for automatically assuming “Filipinos” have to fall under some particular racial stereotype.
I don’t really get you people. When other people point out the things that are wrong with your culture, you think that’s racist when in fact, I just presented the obvious you people try to deny. Masyado kasi kayong pusong-mamon. I will not apologize for merely stating the truth.
Better read my comments above, and get a better idea about what we really think. Filipino bad habits are so LOUD, and the good people are so TAHIMIK, that it’s easier to make the conclusion that most Filipinos are bad. And Iya is talking about just the bad Filipinos. Well-behaved Filipinos know who they are.
Those who say we AP writers here are racists… you really don’t get the point. >:-(
to some extent the author`s opinion has some factual basis, but her generalization the “filipino are rude” are incomprehensible. Thus, following the author’ flow of logic then i can also say that American ( which the author preference belong) are hypocrit. and perhaps the author was already “Americanized”.
So if we say a general opinion about a certain group, for example, “all rapists are jerks,” or “all cheaters are wrong,” we are racist, is that it? But look at the essential meaning of what we say.
Is Americanization necessarily wrong or detrimental?
So if we say a general opinion about a certain group, for example, “all rapists are jerks,” or “all cheaters are wrong,” we are racist, is that it? But look at the essential meaning of what we say.
racism 1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others. 2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race
your porposition is not based race so technically your a not a racist =)
First: Now based on the first definition, when Filipinos think that they’re better than other countries, what are they? Masmagaling kami sa Amerikano, masmahusay kami sa Japanese, masmababait kami, masmabubuti kami. We’re better than them. OK, this is racism.
Second: Is Filipino a race? No, Filipino is a nationality. Technically, we are a mix of different races. Malay, Caucasian, Asian. People say “Filipino race” just for rhetoric’s sake, but it is technically wrong.
So is calling Filipinos rude racist?
Absolutely not, based on the definition you provided.
jethernandez Reply: February 26th, 2010 at 5:38 am
how many classical theorists use sweeping generalization to stress their hypotheses?
It is a function of ignorance or maybe lack of understanding, or lack of leadership/law enforcement.
ON TRAFFIC RULES: If people needed to get their license through the right way, without fixers…they would be forced to learn the traffic rules. They will understand right of way and signs like STOP.
If law enforcement agencies enforce the rules, then people will learn what the proper road/traffic etiquettes are. Back in the day, Davaoenoes would never cross the street unless it’s in a pedestrian lane because they know a “hapsay dalan” will come and pick them up. You wouldn’t dare go straight past a stop sign in Subic, wouldn’t you?
Dont get me wrong, I hate those drivers who don’t know traffic rules and are rude and abuse their horns. But they just don’t know any better. Its not that they are rude per se. It’s just how it seems to be. It’s just how it “normally” is. But try being strict about acquisition of professional drivers license and be strict about law enforcement… then you will see drivers yielding and obeying the rules.
How about does arrows in the MRT, or etiquette on people letting people off before they get on. Was there any attempt to inform the masa about this etiquette when the LRT/MRT was new?
While the author may have real/valid observations. The way it was written has “hilas” all over it… I’ve been around and each country have their own sets of rude people. I do not wish to generalize the Filipino people as rude.
i’ll have to disagree – go to f. torres street in davao – where the food shops proliferate – pedestrian traffic is pandemonium, same in SM ecoland, Victoria Mall in bajada – hapsay dalan is slacking off because rody is getting old and can no longer do his dirty harry chief of police thingie… not to mention that as mayor.. he’s doing someone else’s job.
its just how it seems to be – how it normally is… yup.. it seems like… rude… quacks like… walks like.. talks like… normally… like… rude.
drivers can yield and obey and be just as rude – road rage anyone? seen the taxi driver (holiday taxi, etc) weaving in and out of traffic like a snake, tailgating such that his front bumper is just a feet away from your rear bumper – at 60kph?
the politicians with their entourage and wang wangs.. that’s rude..
people who tell the jeepney driver right in the middle of the road – that’s rude;
jeepney drivers who drop their passengers anywhere they please.. that’s rude.
the jeepney drivers who crowd the intersection of maa and juna, infront of NCCC – everyone is loading and unloading passengers with impunity – that’s rude and it slows down and obstructs traffic
same scene in butuan, cagayan, zambanga, gen san, midsayap, misamis, guingoog, surigao, tandag, maco, mabini, cateel, tacurong… cebu.. mandaue.. guimaras.. boracay.. naga… lingayen,, batac.. bacnotan.. cavite… rude.. rude.. rude..
YOU wrote: “I don’t really get you people. When other people point out the things that are wrong with your culture, you think that’s racist when in fact, I just presented the obvious you people try to deny. Masyado kasi kayong pusong-mamon. I will not apologize for merely stating the truth.”
You will never get some of these people because they have a point. You don’t. Just like in our class when you were my student–where you once cried and was nearly in tantrums–you are now hitting at almost everything except your self-centered personality and weak logic.
As you said: “I will not apologize for merely stating the truth.” Someone has to put you in your place.
Wow, what a stupid way to argue: use an ARGUMENTUM AD HOMINEM.
Montemar, doon ka na sa Bataan dyan sa Montemar Resort, parang di yata kaya ng weak brain mo paano mag-rebuttal na matino. Tsk tsk tsk.
Are you really a professor? You sound like an effin’ loser to me. Dapat kasi kung kokontra ka sa writer ng article mag-present ka ng counter-evidence. Hit the logic (if there are flaws) or the facts mentioned (if there are inaccuracies). Alas, there are none. And that’s why you resort to insulting Iya the way you do, kasi wala ka nga talagang punto.
You simply don’t like the fact that Iya is telling the truth and you can’t issue a proper rebuttal.
Looks like the student (Iya) has beaten the hell out of her loser prof (you) which is why you’re insulting her the way you have.
Louie Montemar naman, kakalat ang pangalan mo bilang LOSER-PROF. Di nakahirit ng tama kaya nanginsulto na lang. Tsk tsk tsk.
You are providing everyone a fantastic example of just the sort of Pinoy rudeness we’ve been talking about, professor. As a teacher, your apparent ignorance of effective argument techniques — resorting to an ad hominem as somebody already beat me to it in pointing out — and the utter lack of professional decorum you demonstrate by taking on a student (former or otherwise) at a personal level in a public forum is frankly breathtaking. We should make a poster of you and replace this entire blog entry with that picture; it would make the point just as well.
See, this is the uglier side of professors that really pisses me off. Attacking students whether blatantly or using subtler means is a glaring lack of professionalism and it takes away a lot of fun in learning. People like you don’t deserve that title. What you’re teaching is baseless, classless, tasteless and downright STUPID.
the reyna elena look-alike? dang… even the similarity in the PoV is uncanny
Montemar if all you teach you students is to use ad hominems you are doing your students and the school a disservice.
here’s a clifford note on how to rebut
HOW TO GIVE A REBUTTAL
by Jim Hanson
PREPARE THE REBUTTAL
First, THINK ABOUT YOUR SIDE. Compare your position to your opponent’s position. For example, “We are for single-sex schools; they are opposed to them.”
Second, FIND THE ARGUMENTS THAT SUPPORT YOUR SIDE. Identify three or four key arguments that support your position. For example, “We are showing single-sex schools help girls learn more; Single sex schools prevent harassment against girls.”
Third, IDENTIFY ANY OPPOSING ARGUMENTS THAT MIGHT DEFEAT YOU. Look at your flow, think about what the opposing team appears to be winning. For example, “Hmm, they are showing that single-sex schools reinforce gender segregation in society.” NOW, THINK HOW YOUR ARGUMENTS DEFEAT THIS ARGUMENT. For example, “We showed single-sex schools help girls and thereby break barriers in society.”
PRESENT THE REBUTTAL
Begin by IDENTIFYING THE CHOICE FOR THE JUDGE. “This debate boils down to, do you give students a choice to go to single-sex schools or do you stop that choice.”
Then, LIST OUT EACH OF MAIN REASONS TO SUPPORT YOUR SIDE. Present your reasons, follow it with an explanation and supporting arguments. After this, respond to any opposing arguments that might undermine your argument. Then, sum up and explain why this reason is a voting issue for you. For example, “The first reason to vote government is that single-sex schools stop harassment. Harassment is a serious problem–the opposition has conceded that girls are sexually harassed, touched inappropriately, even raped. Single-sex schools stop this harassment because the environment changes and there isn’t the opportunity to harass. That is a fact. Now, the opposition wants to argue the harassment would just happen out of school. First, that concedes that we do stop the harassment in the school and that is a worthwhile achievement. Second, as we argued, women speak out and empower themselves in single-sex schools and that encourages change in our society to reduce the attitudes that contribute to harassment. In sum, our proposal puts a dent in harassment especially in schools and that justifies a government ballot.”
Conclude the speech, requesting that the judge vote for your side.
intiendes? naintindihan mo? you get what am saying? nakasabot ka?
kaya naman pala dumadami ang gunggong sa pilipinas – dahil sa mga gurong gunggong na tulad mo – Montemar. you are part of the problem dumb*ass.
You are also being put into your place, Mr. Montemar. Here is Iya talking about something that is one of the most accurate explanations about the country, and here you personally attack her. You seem to be a biased professor. Tell us, how does Iya become a racist? You probably say that your students should listen to you and your logic only. In that case you’re worse than a racist. You’re a dictator. You are without decorum and are very personal with your treatment of students. You are unprofessional… and unprofessorial. The world has no needs for the likes of you. The school you teach in deserves better professors.
I could excuse you for being short in stature and ugly since it’s not your fault being born that way, but being short in terms of your reasoning faculties and logic skills, and even in your behavior, being especially a professor, is just downright disappointing.
Mikee Manlapaz Reply: February 27th, 2010 at 9:53 am
Nakakaawa itong Louie na to. PROF NG DLSU tapos ganyan ang reasoning? Diyos ko! Ni isang logic nga wala syang naibato sa Iya na yan tapos kung makapanglait akala mo kung sino? Sinearch ko sa Facebook and VOILA! nakakadisturb ang pagmumukha.
I didn’t know that it’s now a-OK to bring up a person’s past. The funny thing is, you never really mentioned anything about what I said. You didn’t quote anything I’ve said. Instead on attacking me personally, which you’re good at, why don’t you present decent rebuttals?
You go girl! Ang tapang ni Iya hangang hanga ako dahil hindi siya natatakot sagot-sagotin ang bobong propesor na yan. Kaya pala ang baba ng rankings ng Philippine schools kahit UP, DLSU at Ateneo dahil ang mga propesor ay ganyan ang kalidad.
Mabuti na lang ako ay graduate ng University of Angkong Lim’s tindahan ng relos at radyo sa Binondo. Mas effective pa.
PUCHA! prof ba ito? binanggit pa pati ang pag iyak mo sa class. How classy. Nakakahiya ka Louie Montemar! Dapat sa yo ay tinatanggal sa pagkaka prof! Naku, someone ought to report you and your behavior sa unibersidad kung saan ka nagtuturo. Palibhasa kasi, wala kang maisip na magandang rebuttal.
Nakakahiya yang si Louie Montemar, walang kuwentang propesor yan. Ireport dapat yan sa unibersidad. Students cry in class pero hindi mo dapat maliitin yun because its part of a learning process and part of being human. Dapat magturo ka at hindi yung pati pag iyak ng isang tao gagamitin mo laban sa kanya.
Hindi ka karapat dapat maging propesor. ISA KANG SAKIM! Isa kang Kup Xiao!
Wala itong propesor na ito Gago ito. Ang mga tunay na magagaling na propesor nangangatwiran. Ang estudyante ay may karapatang magkamali at kaya sila naging mga Propesor ay para itama ang mga estudyante nila at hindi bigla na lang hihirit ng insulto nang hindi man lang nagsasabi ng katwiran o leksiyon.
Palpak ang propesor na yan. Wala naman yan nai-cocontribute sa mundong ito kundi pagtuturo ng mga kung ano anong boladas. Sayang lang ang tuition ni Iya diyan. Soli pera!
Filipinos Don’t Know How to Fall In Line and Yield to Right Way
The picture shows the same scenario in elevators where everyone is jacking for position to enter first thereby blocking the passengers to disembark. In many instances, I suggest to the crowd to clear the way or stay by the sidelines for passengers to pass; the response, deadma.
This same undisciplined behavior is exhibited in airplanes. In spite of crew’s announcement to remain seated till the plane fully stops, majority rushes up to reach for their overhead luggage. They remain standing with their bulky bags in the narrow aisle (the reason I always choose window-seat).
Or my experience in boats where it’s still about 10-20 mins away from the port, majority is scampering to get their oversized luggage/cargoes. While remained seated, I can feel the boat tilt to one side because passengers are all crowding by the exit door. Only to find out later on that the boat will be parked on the other side. Another commotion takes place.
I find it hard to digest why majority want to be the first in the line when everyone will actually have their turn to pass. Does this occur in other nationalities?
from what i’ve seen in singapore, there are lines on the platform floor by the train door to show would-be passengers where they should stand-by and wait. people tend to stand behind these lines. there are posters too all over the station to remind people to let passengers get off the train first before getting on it themselves. in hong kong, i can’t remember if there was something like this but what i remember is that it wasn’t as chaotic as it is in manila now. here in dubai, the metro is still new that people tend to crowd by the doors. there are no guides or reminders similar to singapore’s trains.
a few years back, i’ve seen transport authorities whack people in the back with a stick if people became rowdy getting on a bus. i don’t see that happening now though since the RTA (road and transport authority) added more buses.
i don’t think it’s down to people alone. i think it also comes with the environment that doesn’t encourage people to behave.
A student of Prof. Louie Montemarwrote on 27 February, 2010, 10:23
I found the link to this article in fb. I don’t want to say my name because of my fear that Mr. Montemar would resort to attacking me personally.
Anyway, here goes nothing:
Louie Montemar is a very very rude person. He is the epitome of a lousy professor. Not only does he use bad words in class, he also can’t accept that fact that despite his PH.D, he can’t reason out well. When I had him as a prof, I was really disappointed because as a student who pays around 50k a trimester(we are not very rich), you expect your money not to go to waste. Also, I have no idea where this guy gets our grade. Nanghuhula siya ng grade! Some students also expressed their disappointment over Mr. Montemar like me.
I am glad that Iya was able to voice out her concerns. We can’t. we’re afraid of people hitting us personally, like Mr. Louie Montemar.
If I were you Mr. Montemar, I would just resign from dlsu. You don’t deserve the salary you’re getting. WALA KAMING NATUTUNAN SA IYO.
I remember we had a co-employee who has a PhD and who, in spite of this “credential,” could NOT really perform and think “outside the box” or outside the system we had to fire him. People like him are just “icon clads.” He went back to teaching btw.
Professors should, instead, commend and encourage students who exhibit independent and passionate thinking. We need more people who have the guts to stand-up and question the system.
People in this case would rather identify with the student rather than with the professor. We are not in the Dark Ages of the Inquisition anymore.
Ma Xianding Reply: February 27th, 2010 at 12:30 pm
Reminded me of the business professor who criticized Donald Trump on the way he does business. The Donald, not having too much time to rebut simply said: So how much does he make and how much do I make? BOINK went the professor.
Is Prof Montemar from Idyllic land Bantayan Island? He is my cousin! Well, since this is a free-country you can say whatever you want to say to my cousin ….
Hsing Tao, allow me to educate you about “englsichtzes”. When my OFW parents, awash in greenbacks, sent me to school in the land of Americans I hanged out with Filipinos. And these Filipinos when they talk to REAL AMERICANS and the REAL AMERICANS cannot understand them the Filipinos always say this, “ilang bisis ko na siya sinabihan hindi pa rin maka-intiende, BOBO!”.
Those Filipinos I hanged out with are straight “A” students, my same caliber. So, they are saying that the REAL AMERICANS should understand their intonation, inflection, nuances, etcetera …. SO, LOGICALLY, THEY ARE SAYING THAT FILIPINOS HAS THE PERFECT ENGLISH. So, therefore, again, logically speaking I have the right to mangle the english into englischtzes because Flippers is the original speakers of English.
Oh, those, straight “A” classmates of mine in Ivy – league school in Harvard? I called them straight “A”s because when they talkingish in englsichtzes they always says “aaaah” “aaaah” and when they wright it is the usual beating around the bush and plenty of redundancies. Ohhhh, they are fund of using high-falluting deepsounding englischtzes as if it makes them HIGH-IQ!
They can fool Filipinos but they cannot fool me …
IT IS EASIER TO TEACH AN OLD DOG NEW TRICKS THAN FILIPINO OLD TRICKS — Renato Pacifico copyrighted
Tsing TSao, DO YOU KNOW WHO SPEAKS GOOT ENGISCHTZES? The Philippine houseslaves, prostitutes who marry to a foreigner. Because they speak by ear. They pronounce by ear. That is why the prosittutes houselsaves married to foreigner speak like foreigners.
The educated Filipinos do not speak as goot as them beause educated Filipinos are so conscious of their englischtzes usage. They are straight “A”s ….. meaning plenty of “aaaah” “aaaah” and “you know”s
Filipinos are themostest highly critical of englichtzes usage ….. I AM MORE COMFORTABLE TALKING TO REAL AMERICANS THAN FAKE AMERICANS
Louie Montemarwrote on 27 February, 2010, 17:00
Pasensiya ka na kung sino ka mang walang natutunan. Obviuously, mahina ka, mahina ka nga sa detalye o… dahil di mo nga alam na wala pa akong PhD degree. Obviously, lahat ng hirit mo general kasi wala ka ngang masabing totoo. Baka nga imbento ka lang gaya ng ilang writers sa anti-Noynoy site na ito.
Para sa inyong lahat. salamat! Na-inspire lang ako lalo na wag nang basta magpasa ng mga istudyanteng gaya nito na di marunong kumilala ng sarili niya.
Ang mga article niya ay walang kinalaman sa “pagkakakilala sa sarili niya” kundi mga topic yan na puwedeng pangatwiranan. Puro ka pag label sa tao ng hindi mo naman ine-explain ang mga sinasabi mo. Ginagamit mo lang ang pagka propesor mo as a power trip, as an ego trip. Para manapak ng mga bata sa iyo na sa tingin mo walang kalaban laban at kayang kaya mo tirisin.
Akala mo porket propesor ka, lahat ng sasabihin mo mabigat na at dahil may kapangyarihan kang magpasa o mambagsak ng mga estudyante ay gagamitin mo na ito para bale-walain ang opinyon nila at karapatan nilang makipag dikurso sa iyo. Mangatwiran ka at hindi yung “oh wow ha, propesor ako therefore mali ka at dapat kang bumagsak”. Walang kuwenta to.
Ray Rodrgiguez Reply: February 27th, 2010 at 6:19 pm
This Montemar guy wants to just barge in here thinking his being a professor is enough weight to “crush” Iya’s opinions. He refers to Iya as “my student” and makes references to passing or failing students. Like Tsing Tao said, it is a power trip. He thinks that his title can be used as a big stick to knock the head of anyone whose honest and forthright opinions displease him. Well, professors have to realize that outside their own little fantasy world called the classroom where they can act like the queens of sheba, that big stick is made of foam and hitting people with it will only get them hit back.
Iya is a very talented writer and awesome radio show host. She definitely has a bright future ahead of her, thanks to her teachers, but Montemar will be one of the exceptions to that.
On the contrary, kilalang kilala nya ang sarili niya, kilalang kilala nya ang ugali ng mga kabayan niya.
Ba’t mo naman itatago yun? Di kaya’t you are in denial. E paano mo talaga makikilala ang sarili mo kung in denial ka? Kilala mo nga ba talaga ang sarili? Baka namang kilala mo talaga ang sarili mo ngunit hindi mo matanggap ang iyong pagkatao kung kaya’t kapag merong nababasa ka ng buong buo, tulad ni iya, ay sinasara mo – dahil takot kang harapin ang katotohanan. Ikaw ay nakatago sa ilalim ng mga kasinungalingang pati ikaw ay pinapaniwalaan na rin.
Ilagay mo ang notes mo dito, at pag-usapan natin dito ng patas – walang estudyante at propesor. Mano a mano. Iya, ilagay mo yung notes ni Montemar dito, pag-usapan natin.
Ray Rodriguez Reply: February 27th, 2010 at 7:29 pm
Maski ako may nakikitang mga mali sa mga ibang articles ni Iya but I will not say she is wrong because I have been in this world longer than her and worked at siya fresh grad lang. Ganun ang ginagawa ng propesor na ito.
i think the professor is missing a big point here. iya is engaging in critical thinking. as a professor mr. montemayor should even encourage that. seems to me his aim is to do the opposite.
i, for one, would expect teachers to set the example especially in this area. they should teach students to question things, to form their own conclusions, and to really explore.
for him to pull rank — no matter if done in a subtle manner — is just another way of saying that “i’m the professor. you’re the student. shut up and listen to me.”
Honestly, none of what you’ve said is worth responding to by anyone with an IQ higher than their shoe size, but I’ve got a few moments to waste, and you are fascinating in a violent-train-wreck sort of way, so I have to ask:
Is that shovel you keep using to dig a bigger hole for yourself here glued to your hands, or are you just too stupid or too yabang to let go it of it?
I’d guess a little bit of both; anyone who teaches political courses and supports Erap at the same time is a walking contradiction. I’m surprised your head doesn’t explode, mine almost did just trying to understand it. That’s like teaching medical students surgical techniques using a sharp stick and a cigarette lighter. But it explains a lot about how you are completely clueless as to the techniques of…well, making any sort of point whatsoever, and just generally handling yourself in a way that does not bring discredit to your profession or associations with your colleagues.
If I were Iya, I’d have considered it an honor to flunk your course, because intellectual validation from someone like you wouldn’t make the grade sheet worth wiping my ass with.
Sa America, pag bagsak ang bobo na istudyante … ang propesor at fault. BECAUSE ACCORDING TO AMERICAN PREMISE …. ALL PEOPLE ARE INTELLIGENT … IT IS THE MESSENGER AT FAULT NOT KNOWING HOW TO DELIVER THE KNOWLEDGE ….
So, in Philippine setting, why are Flippards so ignoarant of facts and rule-of-law? BECAUSE OF IDYOT PERYODISTAS!!!!!
IT IS UNFORTUNATE THE IDYOT PERYODISTAS ARE FILIPINOS THEREFORE FILIPINOS DESERVE THE NEWS ….. HA!HA!HA!HA!HA! LOGIC! LOGIC! LOGIC!!!!!!! NON-NEGOTIABLE!!!!!!!!
Hsing Tao, you wrote: “Ang mga article niya ay walang kinalaman sa “pagkakakilala sa sarili niya” kundi mga topic yan na puwedeng pangatwiranan. Puro ka pag label sa tao ng hindi mo naman ine-explain ang mga sinasabi mo. Ginagamit mo lang ang pagka propesor mo as a power trip, as an ego trip. Para manapak ng mga bata sa iyo na sa tingin mo walang kalaban laban at kayang kaya mo tirisin.
Akala mo porket propesor ka, lahat ng sasabihin mo mabigat na at dahil may kapangyarihan kang magpasa o mambagsak ng mga estudyante ay gagamitin mo na ito para bale-walain ang opinyon nila at karapatan nilang makipag dikurso sa iyo. Mangatwiran ka at hindi yung “oh wow ha, propesor ako therefore mali ka at dapat kang bumagsak”. Walang kuwenta to.”
Iya was not my only student. You should ask my other students what kind of a teacher-friend I really am and why “power tripping” is not my cup of tea. On the contrary, I’d say students like Iya here are the ones who power tripped on me by giving me a lot of lame excuses as to why they can’t do their work on time or why they can’t be sent to particular kinds of field work. You should get to know her personally and me too. Hsing Tao, I am a very real person and a very transparent one. You are welcome to read (even attack) my FB Notes. I am not one to just label people (who are really people, unlike some ‘fake’ personalities here who cant even give their REAL FIRST NAMES). My Notes are my way to extend my classroom and perhaps they could explain to you where I am coming from. If by any means I offend you or others here, I am truly sorry. But I will not say sorry to one who writes: “I will not apologize for merely stating the truth.”
“Pagkakakilala sa sarili niya” has everything to do with her articles here which dare ‘labels’ ALL FILIPINOS because, at least nominally, she is Filipino — o tingin ba niya siya lang ang magaling na Pinoy? I just dared to give her a dose of her own medicine by writing my purposely abrasive comment. Now I smile a bitter-sweet smile as I pore over the responses to my dare… call it a social experiment gone a bit awry…
I wouldn’t have seen (or dare read) this article if she didn’t post this as a reply to one of my FB notes which extols Filipino virtues.
As expected, I got all these insults. But all this ‘sama ng loob’ is worth it. This for me is a good reminder that I shouldn’t just dip my proverbial fingers on certain things. Or “power trip” as you more eloquently put it.
Iya’s work in class has got nothing to do with what she wrote in this article. That’s a red herring.
The main sections are:
1 – Filipinos are rude, 2 – Filipinos Don’t Know How to Fall In Line and Yield to Right Way 3 – Filipinos are Racist
You can reply
1-1 Yes, Filipinos are rude. (substantiate) 1-2 No, Filipinos are not rude. (substantiate)
2-1 – Yes, Filipinos Don’t Know How to Fall In Line and Don’t Yield to Right Way (substantiate) 2-2 – No, Filipinos Know How to Fall In Line and Know How to Yield to Right Way (substantiate)
3 1- Yes, Filipinos are Racist (substantiate) 3 1- No, Filipinos are Not Racist (substantiate)
Napakasimpleng bagay, di mo masagot kung saan saan ka umiikot. Para kang camfufot.
Ray Rodriguez Reply: February 27th, 2010 at 7:24 pm
Mr. Montemar, kaya nga minsan mas OK pa gumawa ng pseudonym dahil mas objective ang nagiging evaluation sa mga nasusulat kaysa sa magpakilala ang tao and open herself to ad hominems or attacks personal in nature.
Gaya na lang ng pagiging subjective ninyo kay Iya. Sabihin po natin na hindi siya ang nagsulat niyan kundi isang Hapon, eh di iba nanaman ang sasabihin mo? At iba rin kapag bumbay, amerikano or taga Atlantis ang nagsulat niyan?
Sa tingin ko po personal ang inyong ginagawang pagtira kay Iya. Why attack the author instead of the subject? I think you are blinded by hate and emotion.
Totoo po na ang Pilipino lacking in courtesy. Di ba ang reputasyon nga ng Pinoy ay “Filipino Time” meaning hindi sumusunod sa appointments. Of course the term “Filipino” in Iya’s context is a generalization and it is implied that it is by default. Alam ng mga mambabasa yun dahil imposible naman na among 90 million Pinoys ay walang magagalang at maginoo. In general lang yun dahil nga walang kaayusan.
Sa Amerika kapag kumain ka sa fast food ay magliligpit ka ng pinagkanan mo. Kapag may tumatawid, hihinto ka hanggang makatawid ang pedestrian. Sa intersections, bigayan ang mga driver. Sa bus, ang mga upuan malapit sa pinto ay para sa matatanda at disabled at talagang tititigan ka ng masama kapag di ka tumayo at paupuin sila doon kapag sumakay sila. Sa Japan at Germany subukan mo ma late, ewan ko na lang. Totoo ang mga sinasabi ni Iya. Hindi mo dapat atakihin ang author and establish a “hierarchy” between you and relive your past power over her. Just attack the topic and the people will respond to you with proper discourses.
Professor kayo Mr. Montamar. Kahit saang lugar at oras nakakabit sa inyo ang title na yan. You may be a good professor in the classroom pero labas na ito. As soon as you step out of the classroom you leave your crown and scepter behind.
A student of Prof. Louie Montemar Reply: February 27th, 2010 at 8:47 pm
Wala pa rin point na ni-raise si Prof Louie. Tsk tsk. Puro personal attacks. Ni isang sentence na “Filipinos are not rude because….” WALA EH. Hay nako, we are wasting our precious time on this dwarf.
Actually, it’s true that you were a professor/friend kind of guy….but only to the people who agree with you on certain things. The ones who didn’t dare go against your principles. See, you are not objective.
You had the chance to fail me but you didn’t. You failed some of my classmates. Had you thought you should have failed me, I wouldn’t have gotten a “pasang-awa” grade. My grade from you isn’t a “pasang-awa grade”
This is your 3rd reply but still, you haven’t offered a smart rebuttal…
We are waiting Mr. Montemar
waiting…
waiting…
waiting…
And those things that happened in class like me crying? It’s because my two groupmates were so irresponsible and they were putting words in my mouth. BTW, do you not think that’s really improper for you to say those things?
Ray Rodriguez Reply: February 27th, 2010 at 9:27 pm
You crying, what happened in class or anything of that nature are irrelevant to the discussion anyway. People clicked on your article came to discuss about the topic.
maybe it’s time mr. montemar cherished his job like never before by imagining how close he is to losing it.
must … send … telepathic … message … to … la … salle … brothers …
Dr. José Rizal II Reply: February 27th, 2010 at 11:20 pm
Montemar, you know jack sh1t about Latin, kid. You should use the nominative case with “Peace”, and thus it should be “PAX.”
It’s when it’s the direct object that you should use the accusative case “Pacem” as in “Dona nobis pacem.” (Grant us peace)
Now, the fact is, Montemar, Iya has written something that is very true about a majority of Filipinos: people don’t follow proper etiquette and decorum. Notice how messy and dirty the surroundings are of Filipinos? It’s “bastos” and it shows lack of respect for society and for others.
Your biggest problem is your inability to come up with intelligent rebuttals to whatever Iya says. As a teacher, you’re supposed to ensure that your students think logically and objectively. They’re not supposed to side with you just because you say so or because not siding with you means you’ll fail them. You should, instead, make sure that your views are ALWAYS OBJECTIVE AND LOGICAL and then you also teach your students to be objective and logical so that their views end up being like yours.
Rumor has it that you were an Erap supporter, Montemar. What does that speak of your integrity? Down the tubes, I’d say.
You’re supposed to have been a political science expert, but then, why did you go for a loser and an idiot? Just shows that you’re a loser and an idiot too. And that was fortified by the ad hominem you hurled at Iya simply because your lack of brain cells meant that you simply are unable to come up with an intelligent response.
Do you think you’ll come out of this exercise unscathed? I doubt it. I think you’ve lost your credibility as a teacher and are soon going to lose your stripes as a teacher in DLSU. It’s a sad way to throw away your career, but then again, it seems like you’ve been teaching bull-sh1t and hogwash the entire time anyway.
You’re not even the slightest bit apologetic about your appalling behavior.
Anyway, I will make sure you never get to teach anywhere. I guess I’m doing you a favor because that means you concentrate on being a paid hack and a brown-noser to some loser politician or cause that can pay you for your pang-gimmick.
“there are posters too all over the station to remind people to let passengers get off the train first before getting on it themselves. . . a few years back, i’ve seen transport authorities whack people in the back with a stick if people became rowdy getting on a bus.”
Thanks for info, kahlil. We can adapt those posters in vehicle/elevator doors: GIVE WAY TO PASSENGERS GOING OUT OR GET FLAGGED
“Reminded me of the business professor who criticized Donald Trump on the way he does business. The Donald, not having too much time to rebut simply said: So how much does he make and how much do I make?”
How much one makes is not a basis how good a biz principle may be. One who does things immorally and illegally earns more than one who does otherwise.
Many of us have bigger salaries than that of a senator or congressman. But their annual ‘take home’ pay amounts to 10s of millions of peoples-money.
“Na-inspire lang ako lalo na wag nang basta magpasa ng mga istudyanteng gaya nito na di marunong kumilala ng sarili niya. . . my FB notes which extols Filipino virtues”
Wait, what? This douche actually counted attending a rally as a practicum? WTF?
What a retard. Hey Loser, OJT means On the JOB Training. Since when is going to a rally a job? Not to mention that your using your position to EXTORT students to attend a rally — and place themselves at risk of arrest or injury, potentially — on a subject they might not necessarily agree with. Fine if they do, but even for them, it’s a matter of personal choice. What next, you going to start threatening to fail students if they don’t vote the way you tell them to?
You’re not just a lousy teacher who has no concept of what education means, you’re a complete asshole. I hope some of the people above who’ve threatened to ruin that sorry excuse you call a career follow through on it — you are a menace to society.
Now that’s what you call BIASED teaching (wait, that’s not even teaching. That’s exploitation of students). And with that anti-CARP/Chacha, it’s obvious on whose side he’s on. Clearly, polarizing a student to take on your side of an issue is not teaching. It’s manipulation. Too bad Mr. Montemar is not the only teacher of his kind here.
A former political science student told me that once, he wrote something about filipinos being lazy hence, they are poor. Consequently, Montemar got angry with him. teehee!
Mr. Montemar, you are an ethnocentrist. You want to extol virtues of Filipinos, but want to cover up their faults. BIASED is an undoubtedly appropriate word for you. We get better lessons from this blog site than from you.
This is a simple site where one writes something and then people reply ON THAT.
To try justifying one’s point that a former student is stupid and/or illogical because she cried in class is one of the most distasteful things I have ever seen. Whether or not Filipinos are racist and undisciplined.
One never talks publicly about the classroom ABOUT the classroom. Especially personal things that transpire in the classroom. All professors should know that.
To bring that up very randomly is an indirect admission of one’s intellectual incompetency.
This is very correct. Kahit isang logical rebuttal kay Iya walang nasabi si PROFESSOR montemar. Gaya nga ng nasabi, he carries that title anytime and anywhere. Ang expectation sa kanya mas mataas because he is an educator. He should not be lazy to explain even painstakingly why he thinks Iya’s views were wrong and invite intellectual discussions. Hindi yung “kasi noong studyante kita umiyak ka”… that is not relevant at all. Kahit umiyak, tumawa o umutot pa si Iya sa klase niya wala na akong pakialam doon dahil ang article lang ang aking interes sa pag click dito at yun ang dapat pag usapan. Mas nabilib pa ako if he opposed Iya’s views worthy of his title. May insecurity yan sa buhay. He has to assert authority even imagined to satisfy a stressor. Napoleonic complex kaya?
To Mr. Louie Montemar, with all due respect sir, please stop being close-minded with this issue. Although it hurts to hear such negative feedbacks from a fellow Filipino, we cannot deny the fact that indeed these things hold true. As I have found out Mr. Montemar, you’re not only a DLSU prof, you’re also a UP alumnus, and a Mascian, but these things don’t show, with the way you react to Ms. Iya’s post. I am a Mascian myself, but still I admire Ms. Iya’s courage to look at the negative ways of our nation. Let’s face it, what we Filipinos lack is discipline. We indulge too much in respecting others but we fail to find discipline in ourselves.
So please, Mr. Montemar, if you’re going to react, let it be in an intellectual manner and not just personal attacks. If you find this article, and this site for that matter, insulting, then refrain from going to this page again. We Mascians are taught to be open-minded in all things so please, live up to the name
I going to be as objective as I can be about this post. But first, I will vouch for Mr. Montemar as an exceptional professor. We too have our own debates, many of which I disagree but I play in a more respectful manner. Uunahan ko na, I am not a fucking teacher’s pet. In fact, I am pretty much the opposite. I tend to ask authority when authority seems to not fit. Even Mr. Montemar (if he asks around) can have an idea on what I am talking about. Having my own fair share of good and bad politics (not only personal but local), his views have been a breathe of fresh air. If you are overexposed to politics, it is very refreshing and hopeful to hear that someone still believes in certain principles. He is one of them.
If you argue that I have my own experiences and you have your own, then let me remind you that it breaks the fucking point of the article. Before you accuse someone of Ad Hominem and all those kinds of fallacies, ask yourselves what kind of fallacy you are committing with that article. Over-generalization.
Two, I would like to ask Ms. Justimbaste what has she done after experiencing those scenarios. You seem to be complaining a lot- from Noynoy to Edsa Revolution to this (concentrate muna tayo sa sinulat ni Ms. Justimbaste, mamaya mapunta tayo sa kung saan nanaman). Since napunta narin tayo sa personalan pagkakakilala dahil sa nangyari kay Mr. Montemar, sasabihin ko sayo ng direcho- parang di ka nakaranas ng training sa ROTC ah. Ngayon sa mga taong, sisiraan naman ang RO, ibang topic na yun at depende kay Ms. Justimbaste kung naging maganda o hindi ang karanasan niya dito. Reklamadora amp.
Tama ka man sa ilang bagay pero kung ganyan ang tingin mo sa lahat ng Pilipino, hindi mo lang iniinsulto ang mga taong tinutukoy mo. Iniinsulto mo din ang pagkatao ko, pagkatao ng magulang mo at lahat ng Pilipinong nagreply sa thread nato. May problema ka sa MRT, sumakay ka sa train station sa India. May problema ka sa birthday at walang pakielaman, hindi ka ata nanunuod ng American Idol o ibang reality shows ng kawirduhan ng US. Yun puro mga walang pakialam at hiya sa kahit sino (sa mga magkicriticize naman samen dahil sa mag-cite ko sa mga palabas nato, intindihin niyo muna mensahe na gusto kong iparating- at taste ko yun, wala kang pakialam dun). Para sa mga magaargumento naman na hindi naman lahat ng tao wirdo at walang disiplina (puro may mga issues sa self esteem, kundi anorexic, elepante naman), precisely my point with this article.
Napansin ko din na may nagreact nung pinapunta si Iya sa rally. Ang arte mo. Im pretty sure Iya has the strength of character to survive in those situations. Sumobra nga eh. You talk about danger and accountability, you can have an accident in any time of your life. Simpleng observation lang sa rally, irereklamo mo pa.
I also did not like Ms. Justimbaste (although buhay mo yan), how you make fun of your former professor. Unang una, sa newsflash mo, pasalamat ang studyante na yun na nagalit lang si Mr. Montemar sa kanya. Kung ako man, sasabihin ng stupido ang mga Pilipino o sabihin nateng mga asshole, tatadyakan ko pagkalalake niya. Tutal stupido naman ako at asshole. May karapatang siya na sabihin kung anong gusto niyang sabihin pero wala siyang karapatan na insultuhin ang pagkatao ko at ng pamilya ko at least. Isa pa, I think the whole point of Mr. Montemar’s exposing his relationship to you is for you to realize that you, yourself, have your own incompetencies, laziness and stupidities and yet he did not overgeneralize you as an incompetent whining ingrate. You may say you’ve been a good student and I think you yourself can assess what were your faults and pros as one. I think he deserves much more respect than that.
Third, you have heard me say this before. There is a difference between acknowledging the problem and ridiculing someone for it. You maybe right, pota simple pa nga yang mga problema mo sa culture naten eh. But remember, your overgeneralizing antics do not only concern the people who pointed out, you are also insulting every Filipino here. Kaya nga natatawa ako sa ibang replies dito, oo ng oo, nakikitawa pero hindi nila iniisip na sila din iniinsulto. The solution I’m giving, correct whatever wrong you see. Mag nakita ka sa MRT, sitahin mo! Kasimpleng simpleng solusyon. Not post something like this, contemplate on it every day and make fun of everyone. Its a fucking waste of time. Immature amp.
Fourth, I also suggest before you start praising US and those other developed countries, look at how they are handling their problems in an individual manner. For one, I admire the strength of Filipinos in coping with hardships and trials. That is an admirable trait. Means there is a factor for hope and I am willing to take that chance. People who do not give up reach far. I suggest we start from there. At the same time, it is so easy to embrace others, label yourself differently (buti pa sila ek-ek) especially because you do not have to try to be who you are. Therefore, you are a coward.
You may have the right the speak what is in your mind. But I have the right to protect my integrity, my family’s integrity at least. So Ms. Justimbaste, before you post anything and before you post in your facebook why a regarded person like Mr. BBC and etcetera are unfriending you, I think you should also ask why. Masyado ka namang mayabang kung sasabihin mong stupido silang lahat.
Lastly, I am going to unfriend you. Not because I do not want to see the negative things that need to be attended to. In fact, I dont need your articles to see it everyday. But I prefer to be aroung positive people, negativity is contagious. People see problems more than solutions. I do not need people like you. Sinasabi ko na ngayon palang baka gusto mo din akong gawan ng article sa facebook at sumikat din ako. This is my first and last reply so yung mga magrereply dyan at iinsultuhin ako, wala kayong kausap.
Para sa mga magrereply sa thread nato, bago kayo gumawa ng argumento, tanungin niyo nga muna mga sarili niyo kung may karapatan talaga kayo magsabi ng ganito. Oo kayo ng oo, hindi niyo iniisip iniinsulto din kayo. Sasabihin hindi daw apektado dahil hindi daw sila ganyan. Sabi nga sa article “Filipinos are racists, thoughtless and rude”, kasama kayo dito pota. May mga kakilala ako, taga US, lakas magpreach kung sino dapat iboto, bumoto ng tama at bobo daw yung ibang boboto, pero siya mismo hindi naman boboto. Lokohan na to.
just the comment ive been waiting for. tama nga naman, people here can say ms. justimbaste is right with her observations but the question is, what will you do about it? this article’s point is to state the facts and yes it has stated some facts but i think they are not enough to say these things to the Filipino people. no, im not hurt as you may think i am because i reacted. i just do not think that will be enough to generalize people. it’s true that you experienced these things first hand but it doesn’t give you the right to say such generalizations. i have the same observations myself but why do i not complain about it? and before you question my lack of knowing what is wrong and just accepting what is happening now thus becoming the perfect example of an “anti-pinoy”, no i am not. i know there is something wrong with this country. i know that our culture is flawed (or damaged as james fallows would say). but i do not complain about it so much that i would curse people and the nation. because that’s what (i personally think) an educated person would do. you wouldn’t go on complaining about these things on the internet if you are one yourself. because an educated person would try to analyze WHY there are flaws in this culture and HOW (if there are any) can one fix the problem. if you say “wala na pag-asa” then, well, sorry.. you were the one who gave up. and that explains why you go on whining in the internet like this. ma’am, you have to present “anti-pinoys” solution to the problem. dont just answer what is wrong, but tell us why and how can we fix it. because by the looks of it, i think the point of this article is not to open the Anti-pinoy’s eyes as this site might have put onto their goals, but to merely get attention for yourself and not for the website itself. maybe mr. montemar got something right, then.
“you are now hitting at almost everything except your self-centered personality and weak logic.”
First of all, no one said you were a teacher’s pet. When you assume, you make an ass of u and me. Get it?
Regarding the news flash, WOW! I guess when people share their thoughts, you eexpect them to be same as yours. Apparently, if you’re a professor, you should take note of critical thinking as being part of the learning process. Teachers and students learn from each other. Why would he be mad at some student who just gave his observations? Now that is what you call retardedness.
You’re actually the last person who should be making assumptions about my relationship with Mr. Montemar. after all, you weren’t my classmate.
Obviously, you don’t get the point. Where in the world can you see a rally being a part of an OJT? You do know that attending such things entails danger, right? Problema sa yo, masyado kang triumphalist. Also my relationship with him has nothing to do with this article. Ganyan naman kayo eh. Puro emotions. Wala na kasi kayong mapatunayan hence, you are hitting on my personality.
And the way Filipinos handle their problems? SHEESH! They sing it away with videokes when in fact, they should be solving their problems, not forgetting ‘em.
Alam mo kasi, kaya ka natamaan is because ikaw ang perfect example ng mga nakasulat dito. Yung iba nga sinasabi nila na hindi sila natamaan kasi hindi sila bastos.
Sorry to hurt your feelings. Ganyan talaga. But remember: The truth liberates. Positive ka na kung positive. You just want the negative traits of the Filipinos to be swept under the rug. I want to point them out so they ca be changed.
Kaya nga tawa ng tawa ang ibang commenters dito ay dahil hindi sila naaapektuhan. Hindi sila rude. Ikaw ganun ka kaya ka natamaan.
You’re another ad hominem person. Naku. The whole point here is about the article not about Iya or Montemar.
Gusto mo ng ad hominem? Sige eto… Nagsearch ako sa facebook and it turns out na while maganda si Iya Justimbaste, ikaw, mukhang puta.
See how an ad hominem works? On to the topic: Tama naman ang mga sinabi ni Iya. Totoo namang bastos ang maraming Pilipino… Ihi kahit saan, tae kahit saan, di pumipila ng tama sa maraming lugar, dura dito, dura doon. Kulangot in public. Ano yan, ha?
Ikaw nga bastos eh. Ano yung mga kwento mo rito, wala namang kinalaman yun sa topic ah?
2) People who see the problem and look for solutions based on what they see
3) People who see the problem but deny the existence of solutions
Iya falls under number 2. She doesn’t deny that there is a problem. But she also doesn’t say that there is a problem but that there are no solutions.
The very fact that she writes about the problem is precisely because she knows that the first step to solving the problem is for people to recognize that there is a problem. When more and more people get “disturbed” by the facts she writes, then more people are going to be moved to seek solutions and solve the problem.
Ikaw, mukha kang yung tipong either ayaw mong i-admit na may problema or ayaw mong i-admit na dapat sumama ka sa paghahanap ng solutions.
Ms. Yabut, isa ka sa mga tao who focus on the messenger instead of the message. Does the fact that Iya (a Filipino) said it makes the statements less truthful? What if a Japanese or German person states the observations? If you are in a restaurant and the food delivered to you has a fly, would you not complain because you would rationalize “well, the food in India has flies anyway so this is fine” When Iya said “Filipinos” it is understood that by default it is a generalization. Its common sense. What you said about ROTC or other things are IRRELEVANT to the topic. Teachers also do not require students to join rallies because rallies are a personal choice. The student may not believe the cause being rallied about.
The only Filipinos who are offended by what Iya or the other authors write are those who are onion-skinned and have a low sense of self-worth. You are easily offended by criticism because are not able to compartmentalize yourself from your allegiances or associations and evaluate things objectively.
The writings of this Lee Ann Yabut are very incoherent that I got bored reading it. Don’t worry if she posts again. They are so boring and senseless that they are not worth reading at all. Let us skip her posts next time.
and for the record ms. justimbaste. can you please stop posting your links everywhere. i mean, yes internet is free. but if you want to talk about RUDENESS.. well here’s one. a senior faculty passed away last month, and people who loved him dearly made a fan page in Facebook to commemorate and share thoughts on his wonderful life. i may not know him personally, but i know a couple who does. and what did you do? you “became a fan” of that page yourself. and amidst people sharing their sadness and grieving for their loss, there you were posting your website on your favorite noynoy aquino. C’mon.
now talk to me about being RUDE, THOUGHTLESS and insensitivity.
Iya: in all honesty i will say that i admire how passionate and active youve been on the internet.
all your observations seem so brilliant to most of the people in this forum because THEY ARE, for the most part, TRUE. we all see them. we are, after all, part of THIS CULTURE and THIS SOCIETY.
We all take the mrt. we all commute. we all go to the mall. whatever. we see these things everyday.
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Prof. Montemar was my professor also. Iya was my classmate.
the trouble with these online forums is that you have to type down every little detail just to make sure that every person who reads your opinion can see it in the right context and in the right light.
Sir Louie is and was not the most effective teacher on campus- and yes, i also did not learn much from him, but that was through my own fault. The same goes for everybody else who claims to have not learned anything from their professors. As a student, your primary purpose in life (for those few years) is to maximize what your parents or the government is spending for your education. you are not supposed to sit in a chair and complain if youre not getting enough spoonfeeding from your teacher or if he does not like you. you cannot and should not have expected anybody else except yourself to make the effort of knowing the material.
im sorry that sir louie had to comment on this page. but i dont blame him for acting on the urge to “try” to remind someone of her roots. obviously this is not the proper channel for this, there are too many people in the world with too much “freedom of speech”.
to the people who unwittingly ran to Iya’s defense: we know her personally. yes. words are cheap, but i cant comprehend why and how you throw them around so confidently, knowing that you know nothing beyond the letters on the screen. to iya: please. there are other ways.
The point is not whether or not your professor likes you. However, a professor should be objective. I have views that oppose the ideas of my professor but that shouldn’t really result to him lambasting my personality. He can attack my ideas, which he failed to do so, but not my personality. This whole argument focused on my personality for some reason and that shouldn’t really be the case. That I cried in class doesn’t have anything to do with this article. Consequently, I am appalled at what Louie Montemar did.
What transpired 2 years ago, back when we were classmates is irrelevant to the topic. Yes, he was our prof but that doesn’t give him the right to just say those things. Mr. Joey Espiritu is also a professor (see his comments above) from dlsu and he doesn’t think it’s right for Louie Montemar to bring up the past because it has no relation to the whole article.
to the people who unwittingly ran to Iya’s defense: we know her personally. yes. words are cheap, but i cant comprehend why and how you throw them around so confidently, knowing that you know nothing beyond the letters on the screen.
Why would you assume none of us here know her? Wait, never mind that. THAT is not even relevant. Her personal background doesn’t really matter as she has spoken the painful truth that triumphalists love to kick under the rug.
When a person speaks the truth, who she is or what she is doesn’t make it any more or less true.
You could disagree, but you have to defend it with objectivity, with focus on the message, not the messenger.
So if you feel you’re entitled to attack her person because you know her better than anyone else does, then maybe you’re the one with “too much freedom of speech,” and NEWSFLASH: You won’t prove her wrong that way.
I agree and disagree with some of the comments here.
Filipino there are a lot of rude Filipinos that lack that part in their brain dedicated to discipline. But now all Filipinos are rude, racist and undisciplined. There are a handful of “behaved” Filipinos out there maybe they could all be placed in 3 medium sized rooms. :\
Pardon me for asking this though, but isn’t this being racist? Posting hate and disdain on the web even dedicating a site to this seething anger towards the horrible attitude of the majority of Filipinos?
Ms. Iya, I’d also like to ask you what was your other motive in posting such things? Was it only to help Filipinos rectify their short comings in terms of attitude/conduct? Or was it to stroke your own ego? To make yourself feel that you are far more superior than your fellow Filipinos.
Oh I’m sorry, maybe you don’t want to be Filipino anymore.
I agree with Majinboo. An educated person wouldn’t post so much drama on the internet and go as far as throwing links all over the internet. I cannot see any objectivity in this article, you filled it with hatred and anger that you had no idea where to direct. But then again… where to direct it?
I can relate to your LRT/MRT story. I have experienced that, the rudeness and how uncouth people can be.
Allow me to share my story.
It was my very first time to ride LRT/MRT in Vito Cruz Taft, I was on my way to Greenbelt with some friends. I had no clue what to do so I asked my friend to help me through this. Buying the ticket, I was totally clueless, the person behind me was cursing under her breath, mocking me and calling me names. My friend took over from there and bought the ticket for me.
I entered the “Women’s only” cab, around the EDSA station an aged lady came from behind and boorishly bumped me, I heard no excuse me from her, she hit my bag and spilled out of the cab. I apologized many times and offered her a hand. She looks at me and yells “P*tang ina mo”, I was scared so I apologized some more but she continued to curse at me as the doors closed.
I didn’t know if I was angry or guilty, it wasn’t a pleasant thing to experience on your first MRT/LRT ride.
To get to Greenbelt I had to take another ride in another station, same thing, pushing and shoving to get in a cab. The cab I got in was filled with people, cramped and very uncomfortable. I was standing in the midst of all the people carrying my book bag and a file case, very uncomfortable.
I thought I’d stand for the rest of the trip when a middle aged man tapped my shoulder and offered his seat. I didn’t want to reject the offer because I was really uncomfortable, so I thanked him and took the seat.
I got off the cab at my stop, “Thank you po.” I said to the man as I left.
For me this is proof that Filipino conduct is indeed flawed but there are some kind souls out there who still know manners.
The existence of kind Filipino souls out there does not negate the existence of lots of Filipinos who are complete pricks on the road, who litter all over the place, who push themselves into the MRT even as those trying to get out haven’t gotten out, etc.
I never said that it negates the fact that there are a lot of rude Filipinos. I was trying to negate the fact that someone collectively called ALL Filipinos are Rude *insert more negative adjectives here*
My story showed an example of both rude and polite Filipinos. The existence of the opposite does not deny the existence of the other.
The article holds true but the statement “ALL FILIPINOS ARE RUDE PRICKS….” Is not true for me.
Iya was clear about her post and a lot of us understood that she didn’t mean ALL Filipinos, but quite a lot of Filipinos. You’ll see the others higher on this thread discussing just that.
Anyway, regarding your story, if A & B both exist, where
A = antipinoys B = kind souls
then we’re definitely happy about B, but we won’t get off A’s case.
Point being, our criticism of the antipinoy doesn’t necessarily mean we see nothing good in Filipinos.
Aristotle’s treatise on rhetoric is an attempt to systematically describe civic rhetoric as a human art or skill (techne). His definition of rhetoric as “the faculty of observing in any given case the available means of persuasion,” essentially a mode of discovery, seems to limit the art to the inventional process, and Aristotle heavily emphasizes the logical aspect of this process.
But the treatise in fact also discusses not only elements of style and (briefly) delivery, but also emotional appeals (pathos) and characterological appeals (ethos). He thus identifies three steps or “offices” of rhetoric—invention, arrangement, and style—and three different types of rhetorical proof:
* ethos: how the character and credibility of a speaker can influence an audience to consider him/her to be believable.
Today, this is still an effective means of persuading an audience; however, shrewd, critical listeners will note whether the “expert’s” actual arguments are as impressive and satisfying as his or her title, to avoid the informal logical fallacy of an Appeal to Authority.
This could be any position in which the speaker—whether an acknowledged expert on the subject, or an acquaintance of a person who experienced the matter in question—knows about the topic.
* For instance, when a magazine claims that An MIT professor predicts that the robotic era is coming in 2050, the use of big-name “MIT” (a world-renowned American university for the advanced research in math, science, and technology) establishes the “strong” credibility.
* pathos: the use of emotional appeals to alter the audience’s judgment.
This can be done through metaphor, amplification, storytelling, or presenting the topic in a way that evokes strong emotions in the audience.
* logos: the use of reasoning, either inductive or deductive, to construct an argument.
Logos appeals include appeals to statistics, math, logic, and objectivity. For instance, when advertisements claim that their product is 37% more effective than the competition, they are making a logical appeal.
Inductive reasoning uses examples (historical, mythical, or hypothetical) to draw conclusions.
Deductive reasoning, or “enthymematic” reasoning, uses generally accepted propositions to derive specific conclusions. The term logic evolved from logos. Aristotle emphasized enthymematic reasoning as central to the process of rhetorical invention, though later rhetorical theorists placed much less emphasis on it.
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Aristotle also identifies three different types or genres of civic rhetoric:
1 – forensic (also known as judicial, was concerned with determining truth or falsity of events that took place in the past, issues of guilt),
2 – deliberative (also known as political, was concerned with determining whether or not particular actions should or should not be taken in the future), and
3- epideictic (also known as ceremonial, was concerned with praise and blame, values, right and wrong, demonstrating beauty and skill in the present).
In ancient Greece, Iya’s article would be epideictic.
It is within this overarching context – of epideixis – that Iya writes. You may agree or disagree – and I have no problem with that, if you do, that’s not my problem.
The point of the entire article is to bring attention to the dysfunction – the generalizations being part of rhetorical devices to catch attention and evoke a reaction.
And on those grounds – Iya did a fine excellent job – to bring the matter into people’s awareness – that you might take the notion for granted, but think again – others do not necessarily share that notion.
To ask Iya to try another path because someone is embarassed is a disservice. That’s sweeping the dysfunction under a rag or carpet. That’s not how responsible adults behave.
Bring it out in the open – Discuss with transparency and candidness, TALO ANG PIKON!
Ms. Iya, I can see that your intentions are good, your efforts in pulling up the rug and exposing the “bad” swept under it. But in terms of execution, it is some what flawed in my opinion.
I can sense a vicious reply to this though. Some people out there will ask me “What is the better execution then?” Honestly, I have yet to think about that but is it not another purpose to this site? Finding the equations to attain solutions?
Would it occur to us to discuss solutions if the facts weren’t brought to our attention in the first place?
We can wind up coming with wrong solutions if the we have our facts wrong? Even then we ask, are these facts relevant at all. The first step to problem solving is first – to identify the problem.
I am an audience and LOVING it here. If you want all nice and fluffy go to carbears dot com. The marketing value of Iya’s tone is also effective in a Howard Stern kind of a way.
I disagree. The tone does play part in dealing with the facts. A hostile tone can easily be misinterpreted, it would beget a hostile “dealing with the facts”. A debate would ensue, fighting and more fighting, no solution just more bitterness. I know you’ve experienced this first hand.
If criticism is served to you like this “Ay **** ang bastos mo, nag-aral ka ba? Wala namang blahblahblah…” It would beget a hostile reaction but if we were to try a different tone in giving criticism, “I respect your opinion on this matter but blahblah… I think….”. No one likes the truth served rudely, I am aware the truth is painful but if you tell the truth in a very “harsh” manner, its like rubbing salt in the wounds, I don’t like that and neither do you.
358 – It is what is. I like the tone. and obviously, So does the audience. Or else, you and I wouldn’t be having this exchange.Now it might appear that the tone is “harsh” because we are do not hear the feeling tone or the pitch – and therefore, how we read the words are very much a product of our personal intepretation – our psychological projection of what we think is the authors feeling tone – and we can be off the mark.We might see Iya as being condescending based on her feeling tone – but of you were listening to her in person, your interpretation would change, if you heard that the feeling tone is being said in a light, amused manner, as in.. “Yeah.. Filipinos are rude.. what else is new? dedma.”The harshness might be “harsh” for you, but for others – that’s what they are looking for – to expose a flaw and bare it in the light. If you can’t handle this – then AP is not the site for you. Go to barriosiete.com makipagappearan ka sa mga bading doon. or go the wimps in Filipinovoices.com – Or you can get lost in the labyrinthine maze of quezon.ph. Straight up – when you read this – pretend that you are listening to George Carlin
Ah,George Carlin. Yeah, he’s missed already. Real smart and funny guy.
Convoluted Filipinowrote on 1 March, 2010, 8:49
For Ms. Iya and supporters, Instead of focusing more on the negative side of things, why not spend more of your time on something more productive? There’s nothing wrong about being logical and stating weaknesses for the sake of self-improvement, but there’s a difference between being logical and rude.
I expect you or any one of your supporters to reply to this post with the intention of proving that I’m wrong. Please try to be open minded and see first what your audience is actually trying to say. I’ve digested everything that was said here, I hope you digest even those you do not desire to. React negatively and you will prove that I am right. As stated a while ago: “TALO ANG PIKON”
Literacy is oft overestimated by those who cannot understand, please understand your audience in every level and aspect.
React negatively and you will prove that I am right.
No fair! I was going to react negatively! Huhuhuhu
So far, the only ones who’ve been PIKON are the ones who don’t get it because they were emo. The rest of us could relate, are happy that we’re not alone with these observations, and agree that just because we’re so used to seeing these dysfunctions of da basic Pinoy it doesn’t mean for harmony’s sake we’re going to pretend they aren’t there.
Instead of focusing more on the negative side of things, why not spend more of your time on something more productive? There’s nothing wrong about being logical and stating weaknesses for the sake of self-improvement, but there’s a difference between being logical and rude.
This is productive. Really. And what you think is rude about this post isn’t rude, just frank.
I was honestly bored with this subject, but your comment caught my eye. WOW. This is a real piece of work. I’m not going to “reply to this post with the intention of proving that [you’re] wrong”, rather, I’d like to break this down and ask you a few questions. Sound like fun? Of course it does! So here we go:
You said: “Instead of focusing more on the negative side of things, why not spend more of your time on something more productive?”
Such as? One could make the point (in fact, we often do) that critically examining issues, which is certainly ‘negative’ in the sense you seem to be presenting it more often than not, is very productive. You cannot have a solution without first understanding there is a problem. Or, are you contending that the particular problem that Iya is examining does not exist?
You continued on to say that: “There’s nothing wrong about being logical and stating weaknesses for the sake of self-improvement,
Okay, that’s a valid point. I would actually put it a little more strongly: it’s an absolute necessity to be logical and acknowledge weaknesses for the sake of self-improvement. However, Iya was not discussing her personal flaws, so it doesn’t seem to be a relevant assertion here, which seems to be why you added:
“…but there’s a difference between being logical and rude.”
What exactly do you mean here? Does that refer to self-improvement? Or something else? Indulge me for a moment, here’s what I think you are saying: “It’s perfectly okay to worry about your own behavior, but it’s out of line to criticize anyone else’s.” Is that an accurate interpretation? If not, I apologize, but it is precisely the conclusion I drew from your statement.
A little farther along you said: “Please try to be open minded and see first what your audience is actually trying to say.”
Exactly. That’s what I’m trying to figure out. So what are you trying to say?
And then, your conclusion: “Literacy is oft overestimated by those who cannot understand, please understand your audience in every level and aspect.”
Your profundity has left me standing on the quay watching your receding wake, because I have no idea what that means. Are you trying to say Iya should dumb it down, or what? If so, I’m afraid that’s actually a bit of an under-estimation on your part; the audience here has always seemed to be quite literate.
According to my conclusion, then, your comment in more direct-and-to-the-point language is saying: Don’t criticize other people, because they’re stupid.
Sorry, but if that’s not really what you meant, you blew it, because that’s what I got out of it. Care to try again?
That is the essence of democracy. We are entitled to oppose against other people’s views and people can defend their views as well. What’s not welcome here is personal attacks though. I am sure you won’t resort to doing that kind of thing.
On the contrary, we deal with differing views every day – and we don’t moderate it, we don’t delete it, we don’t ban the commenter – unlike Barriosiete.com, Filipinovoices.com. ellentordesillas.com.
We take your view head on – is there a clause that says, because Jet Velazo wrote it – it must be true? and should not be questioned? Cmon dude, that’s how we retrogress. We talk, we exchange ideas, we test the validity of the idea. If it is reasonable, we take it. If not, we reject it. How others deal with it – that’s their business – they are adults who can take of their own thing.
This is as open as it gets. If people don’t agree with you – hindi na open? That’s ridiculous.
Why, have you been driven out, Jet? If you feel you couldn’t get into a discussion then you’re the one hesitating. Feel free to argue, but expect others to react as they please. If you can’t handle that, then it’s really your fault you feel left out.
So just join the discussion and focus on the ideas.
Jet Velazco, I just wanted to thank you for supporting what I last said. Thank you for proving my point and being a perfect example for one who is close-minded. I’m amazed by what you have accomplished, I hope you feel happy now.
To All, And this site is supposed to be for the betterment of the Philippines? All i see are people who love to complain. I’ve done my part in helping my country and am willing to continue.
If you don’t complain, nothing will happen. Let’s say you take the jeep and the change the driver gave you is short of 3 pesos, what would you do? Keep mum about it? If you don’t complain, chances are, that driver would do the same thing with the other passengers. Do you see the analogy?
To those who are interested in knowing why we bother to “Get Real”, BongV made this very nice article that can enlighten you. http://antipinoy.com/why-bother-to-get-real/ Cheers!
I have my common sense, what I stated a while ago of course doesn’t fit the situation you’re giving me right now but for the sake of giving you an answer, this is what I have to say. If you keep on complaining, nothing will happen either. You continuously complain that the driver gave you short change and you find a way to get that money back, but you do nothing to prevent it from happening again. Yes I see the analogy.
How did I not prevent it from happening again? You complained to the driver. Of course he would know that the next time he does it again, other people will complain. Clearly, you do not get it.
Had I not exercised my right to complain, nothing would be done to change the lousy cable tv reception I was getting. Same thing goes for what started as a slow internet connection. Had I kept quiet about it, no changes would have been made.
my last response was directed to BongV, whose statement ” you have a problem with that? ” did not sit too well with me. then again i also know i could be misinterpreting the statement.
i know what it means to be in a democracy.
and for the sake of saving a few bytes, nope, id rather not go on any other site such as those enumerated above.
Jet – there’s a lot of sites where stuff didn’t sit well with me either.
Guess what happened to me in these other sites – I was banned, my IP was banned, my nickname was banned, leading to Akismet taking my comments all the way to the spam box in my own site – how about that. And it was all because I disagreed and I had contrarian views.
In contrast, there was another guy, by the name of Batang Tondo, who was in here, hurling all the adhominems and four letter words. If that were another site, he’ll be a dead duck. But not here, we engaged him, tit-for-tat. We may not agree with what you are saying – but we will not shut you down, delete you, moderate you, or ban you – that’s not right.
But certainly I will disagree with you on the topics that I feel I should disagree – and I don’t have a problem if you disagree with me. I learn from disagreements – it either strengthens my positions or makes me reconsider it. If you or someone gets pissed – that’s their problem if they can’t handle themselves. I can take care of my own.
The long and short of it Iya’s article is this – somethings happening out there, and based on it – impressions about the Pinoy can be made – and this impressions are not nice. Should we fault Iya for noticing the something that happened there? I don’t think so – she is just describing her experience – was she the one being rude? was she the one blaring the speakers all night long?
Going deeper we can ask the question what can be done about this – but we wouldn’t even raise the question and think about it – were it not for Iya’s well-timed article.
You cannot say for sure that majority of the audience likes the tone. There are probably people out there who disagree with some of Ms. Iya’s statement but have not balls to voice out.
I had no intention of appearing “un-ballsy” or one that had their ego hurt because of her straight forward approach. Respect to her for being active and voicing out. Respect to you for showing your support.
But there is a difference between being blunt/straightforward to plain flat out rude.
Such a waste it would be if a reader would be put-off from reading because they were displeased by a rude opening statement. I’m just saying that people need to read this, they need a dose of thought provoking opinions. But not everyone can be as open as the audience here right now.
Making this a less bitter pill to swallow it will be easier to share this. I’m not saying Ms. Iya should kiss ass. Hell no.
You’re not a jerk, you’re just stubborn and enthusiastic about your opinion and preferences. I’m stubborn too, I prefer a Rhetoric approach with euphemisms etc. You prefer it straight forward, right where it should be. Just trying to avoid the endless supply of people eating up precious bandwidth with a whole lot less smart and a whole lot more “&&^#@#$%^&*((*(&^~!!”
you’ve always argued on not attacking personalities. now correct me if i am wrong, doesn’t the essence and content of one published work shows how much the author knows about the subject matter? im not questioning how much iya knows, she knows quite well, mostly from personal experiences. and yes, she has the right to state these facts over here but i have to re-state 358 days’ question: is it for the Filipinos to be more knowledgeable or was it done to stroke your own ego? we always say not to argue the form, but the content. but these things are two vital parts in communication. you have to deliver it right and deliver well. iya may have some good points, but i wouldn’t classify THIS ARTICLE (because for sure she can do better, won’t you agree?) as an excellent work. Jet is right, there are some other ways. we cant just continue on arguing. stating the facts and letting the people know that there is something wrong is just one thing. but then again, it is important, yes. but what do we do now with this knowledge? continue on arguing with one another? but then again, this is a mere blog entry of some sort just like how i would rant about my day on any other blog sites so maybe i shouldn’t expect more.
you raise the question “is it for the Filipinos to be more knowledgeable or was it done to stroke your own ego?”
that is a very malicious question and imputes that the writer was writing this just to stoke her ego – I don’t think so.
believe you me, I have a longer list that will make Iya’s list kids work – and it’s not to stoke my ego – it’s because I am pissed with what I see.
Iya stated the facts quite clearly – described the behavior – and made a conclusion – Filipinos are…. – she did not say ALL FILIPINOs are.. she just said Filipinos are which can be .. SOME.. MOST.. MANY.. MAJORITY – that qualification is now left to the reader’s interpretation. you interpreted it as “ALL”, I intepreted it as “MOST”.
what do we do now with this knowledge? we act on it – when we see people/friends/family being rude – call their attention, simple as that.
i wont argue with what she said, anymore. i said that indeed the facts presented were true because i have the same observations myself. with the way she delivered it was quite rude, yes, but i admire the courage. and i guess ive already acted on it a while ago and let me repost:
“and for the record ms. justimbaste. can you please stop posting your links everywhere. i mean, yes internet is free. but if you want to talk about RUDENESS.. well here’s one. a senior faculty passed away last month, and people who loved him dearly made a fan page in Facebook to commemorate and share thoughts on his wonderful life. i may not know him personally, but i know a couple who does. and what did you do? you “became a fan” of that page yourself. and amidst people sharing their sadness and grieving for their loss, there you were posting your website on your favorite noynoy aquino. C’mon.
now talk to me about being RUDE, THOUGHTLESS and insensitivity.”
maybe for some here who does know iya, they can’t simply dismiss the issue because of credibility of the author. im not judging iya of anything, i was simply calling her attention.
if it takes rudeness to awaken rude people – so be it. sila lang ba marunong maging rude, get a dose of your own medicine for a change.
Convoluted Filipinowrote on 1 March, 2010, 10:09
Ms. Iya and BongV (I wanted to reply to your post on the “older posts” section but for some reason, the reply button wasnt there.)
Ms Iya, Exactly, based on what I’ve read, all of these posts are nothing else but step one. Where’s the progress? Progress starts by trying to understand that there’s someone else out there who is right and not just yourselves(this goes to everyone, not just Ms Iya.) I’m not saying that I’m the only one who’s right either. This is what’s worng with our country. EVERYONE IS TRYING TO PROVE THAT EACH ONE OF THEM IS BETTER. I admit that I’ve seen a great amount of truth from this site, but mainly from those who contradict you or BongV or other supporters. You know what has to be changed? Stop trying to bring everyone down for your glory because that’s the trait of our politicians nowadays. I wouldn’t be suprised to see you running for congress in a few years for now. Instead, hear out everyone, stop answering back, take in the good points because in turn you’ll find more solutions rather than problems.
BongV What I want to tell you, as of now, is simple. We don’t care how harsh you can speak. We care change. If that’s what you want to be proud of (Making people look “Un-ballsy”) then I’m not stopping you. It’s your reputation at stake.
To All, This site is not supposed to be for any one of you, not for BongV and not for Ms. Iya, but as i have said a while ago, for the betterment of the country. If you want to contradict each other, this cycle would continue till who knows when. If you listen to me on the other hand, we could finally get to STEP 2 MS. IYA
dont go complaining because i typed in all caps, as BongV stated, there’s nothing wrong about that being in a “democracy”
Pikon ang kumontra, talo ang pikon. Suporta nalang diba?
It’s not my personal reputation at stake – it’s the pinoy’s collective reputation that’s at stake.
There is nothing wrong with trying to prove which is a better path. What’s wrong is when we don’t question whether such path is indeed better or not – when we don’t debate the merits of whether such path is indeed better or not.
In the corporate word – there’s a term called CONTINUOUS IMPROVEMENT – it is a continuous activity that strives toward improvement – no resting on laurels!
Improving means bringing down OLD DESTRUCTIVE BEHAVIOR. I have no qualms and am very vocal about bringing down DESTRUCTIVE behavior – KILLING IT, RIDICULING IT, SHAMING PEOPLE who engage in it.
Hearing out everyone does not mean to stop answering back – that’s the nature of dialogue. If you can’t handle dialogue – malas mo na lang. YOU are on ANTIPINOY.COM – you are expected to dialogue. If you can’t handle the dialogue, go to Filipinovoices.com – doon kumbaya kayong lahat
Exactly, based on what I’ve read, all of these posts are nothing else but step one. Where’s the progress? Progress starts by trying to understand that there’s someone else out there who is right and not just yourselves(this goes to everyone, not just Ms Iya.) I’m not saying that I’m the only one who’s right either. This is what’s worng with our country. EVERYONE IS TRYING TO PROVE THAT EACH ONE OF THEM IS BETTER.
Iya wasn’t trying to prove she’s better than anybody. She gave her observations. A lot of us get it.
Wait. You said “everyone.” That includes you. Are you trying to prove you’re better than anybody? (I’ll answer that for you.) No, I don’t believe that’s what you meant. To be fair, I believe what you’re trying to say is that we can observe a whole lot of people, politicians especially, trying to one-up each other to make themselves look good. That’s not what we’re trying to do here on this blog. And if anybody argues with you, do not assume he/she is trying to one-up you too. There are other blogs that have that market, and they could hold hands all the way to hell if they want, because nobody challenges the antipinoy norm over there.
I admit that I’ve seen a great amount of truth from this site, but mainly from those who contradict you or BongV or other supporters.
Really? You get the truth from those who contradict Iya and BongV? Any other reader could easily say the same about you by saying “I’ve seen a great amount of truth from this site, but mainly from those who contradict Convoluted Filipino,” especially since those who’ve argued with you did so with logic and clear reasoning. Cite examples of those truths please and explain.
You know what has to be changed? Stop trying to bring everyone down for your glory because that’s the trait of our politicians nowadays. I wouldn’t be suprised to see you running for congress in a few years for now.
Why is this suddenly about glory? Is this a contest for you?
And so what if anybody on this thread decides to run for congress? That has nothing to do with exposing Pinoy dysfunction. If anything, based on the current system, anybody running for congress would have to pander to the masses to succeed. That’s the polar opposite of what this blog does.
Instead, hear out everyone, stop answering back, take in the good points because in turn you’ll find more solutions rather than problems.
This isn’t a call center. Nor is it an answering machine. It’s a blog. There are solutions here too. Read more of the other AP articles and you’ll see. If you don’t want to know about the problems, this blog isn’t for you.
If you want to contradict each other, this cycle would continue till who knows when. If you listen to me on the other hand, we could finally get to STEP 2
Arguments continue till their logical end – the best reasoning prevails and the weak arguments are debunked. That means everyone will be on the same page. If we listen to you, which we already do, we just don’t necessarily agree, but we listen (i.e., read) anyway, you’re part of the discussion. It’s always good to discuss and be able to reach solutions by way of discussion. However, avoiding arguments like you appear to advocate in order to get to step 2, is hogwash. There are other blogs for that sort of thing.
Pikon ang kumontra, talo ang pikon. Suporta nalang diba?
If the sky is high and carabaos fly, how many bananas are left?
Exactly, based on what I’ve read, all of these posts are nothing else but step one.
Unfortunately, we often have to repeat step one, because Filipinos don’t seem able to beyond it. Because they forget step one. And so they’re the ones who continue to refuse to move to step two.
This is what’s worng with our country. EVERYONE IS TRYING TO PROVE THAT EACH ONE OF THEM IS BETTER
This is true. Spanish machismo bullcrap culture. But we’re not the ones doing this… the whole Philippine society is like this. Or are you insisting that Filipinos bad habits are confined in urban centers and don’t happen in provinces? I’ll let you know I have heard of stories of corruption and bad behavior in the provinces (like Maguindanao?)… and it’s all the same.
AP writers are not proving that they’re better… they’re proving that they’re right.
I wonder what makes you think that this article is logically sound. Just because you have bundles of experiences to back it up does not mean that the general statement is deductively correct. It’s like saying, it has been raining for a week. Therefore, all days are rainy. Like your article on Filipinos, your experiences may be right but it does’nt equate your general statements as sound. It is also unsurprising to have posts hitting you personally because your whole article is very personal- race: bad characteristics:: race. What can you expect?
what is it about pinoys that prevents them from reading before reacting? seriously, that sh*t is one of the things that keep the philippines from smartening up and progressing. sheesh!
mr/ms x, do yourself a favor and read the earlier parts of this thread and find out what arguments have been made about this goofy fixation on the word ALL.
sheesh, pare!
oh btw, please explain this:
Like your article on Filipinos, your experiences may be right but it does’nt equate your general statements as sound.
kasi if you don’t support it with reasoning then it’s very easily dismissible. would you like to know how? iya got these out of personal experience, and many others could relate because they’ve experienced similar things. ikaw, what’s your supporting details?
don’t keep us waiting. do enlighten us at your soonest convenience.
I wonder what makes you think that this article is logically sound. Just because you have bundles of experiences to back it up does not mean that the general statement is deductively correct. It’s like saying, it has been raining for a week. Therefore, all days are rainy.
By definition, generalizations are not essentially formed through deductive reasoning.
Deduction is an inference that moves from general to particular truths or statements, while induction or inductive inference moves from particular to general. “Doing mathematics” is a model of deductive inference while empirical scientific methods are inductive.
Filipinos almost always expect to only hear how good or nice or hospitable they are, but the more biased you are towards “extoling” Pinoy virtues, their vices would naturally tend to appear to be all the more glaring.
For Ms. Iya and supporters, Instead of focusing more on the negative side of things, why not spend more of your time on something more productive?
One of the most productive and positive things to do is to remove the negative traits. But you can’t do that without calling attention to them. So what we’re doing here in AP is positive. Problem is, calling attention to negative traits always bothers people. But that’s how it is. Truth hurts. If you can’t take the truth, you are welcome to your suffering from it… and you deserve it.
Convoluted Filipino says: “And this site is supposed to be for the betterment of the Philippines? All i see are people who love to complain. I’ve done my part in helping my country and am willing to continue.”
WHAT did you do?
“What I’m trying to say is it takes more than a complaint to change something.”
WHAT?
“If you listen to me on the other hand, we could finally get to STEP 2”
WHAT is step 2?
BongV says: what do we do now with this knowledge? we act on it – when we see people/friends/family being rude – call their attention, simple as that.
I second the motion. CALL THE ATTENTION. It may be a simple and tiny step. Pinoys should stop being PASSIVE and learn to ASSERT oneself and do the RIGHT THING.
Parallax says: “. . . the author ALREADY DID SOMETHING about it- she told everyone who can read it to NOT BE LIKE THAT.”
Well said. I wonder why others have difficulty comprehending that.
just a clarification – do you mean someone dictated to your ancestors, therefore you as descendant are now rude – and cannot determine when you are being rude or not?
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Phil History Class – depends on content – does your class include Bangsa Moro topics? baka naman si Zaide ang author ng history book nyo
OK, if the Spaniards and Americans teach us to “be bad,” then why did we listen? Pinipikot nga tayo, bakit pa rin tayo nakikinig? Filipinos had the choice to choose their own way… but they frickin’ didn’t. People may show you how to be rude, but you can choose NOT to be rude… that’s where the Filipinos hit by Iya’s article fail.
Passing the buck. So typical of people who want to avoid admitting their own mistakes.
Wander-ruh Reply: March 23rd, 2010 at 12:31 am
This is the classic rotten line of thinking that has been plaguing Pinoys since God knows when. What do you mean, “who made us rude?” It is nobody’s fault that we ARE the way we are. To blame it all on the foreign powers that occupied the Philippines–the last of which happened some 70 years ago–is stupid.
Filipinos are rude because they CHOSE to be that way. You can’t blame your stupidity on someone else if no one is forcing you to not use your brain.
“Everytime I go the the US it seems as if I never want to go back to the Philippines where everything is dirty, not to mention irritating. Even if I have spent my whole life in this country, I am still not used to encountering rude people whether at the mall or in the LRT/MRT”
iya, dude.. fix your life.. Pilipino ka ren! and fuck i saw your picture and talagang magiging rude ako dahil mukha mong napaka-antipatika ng itsura.. antipatika na nga mukhang pang tambutso ng auto.. well, kung ayaw mo dito sa Pilipinas kung madami kang reklamo get the F out of here.. di ka namin kailngan dito. for all we know ganyan ka ren.. hypocrita pa.. lumayas ka na dito sa Pilipinas.. andami mong alam wala ka namang ginagawa? and dami mong gusto and reklamo.. di mo man lang kasi alam yung mga nararamdaman ng taong nagMMRT madami sa kanila mga minimum wage earners lalo na sa umaga.. minsan below minimum pa.. talagang magiging rude/bastos sila kasi sino ba nmng matutuwa sa sitwasyon ng buhay nila.. hindi pa pwede intindihin?? paguunawa?? well, ginawa mo itong article na to.. sa tingin ko wala ka talagang pagguunawa kahit sa sarili mo.. You gave the US as an example na ayaw mo na bumalik dito pag andun ka..bakit? kasi malamang andun ka sa magagandang lugar sa amerika.. naranasan mo na ba tumira sa “projects” ng amerika.. nakita mo na ba sitwasyon ng buhay nila dun? na gumagawa sila ng krimen para lang may panggastos? isipin mo nalang mas maraming ganito sa Pilipinas.. pag tulog at pagunawa ang kailngan hindi isang artikulong tunkol sa pagiging bastos ng pilipino.. Critical Thinking sabi mo sa propesor mo? sya simple lang ang sinasabi.. hindi mo kailngan pagaralan.. PAGUNAWA! tama na pgrereklamo mo! wala kang kwenta..
Another ad hominem rampage from an emo. Giving excuses to Filipinos for rudeness. That “pang unawa” has been the bane of the Filipinos. Thats why mediocrity continues because of too much “pang unawa”. People rather rely on Willie Revillame’s “pang unawa” than work for their betterment.
pagunawa is one of the reasons that seperates us from animals.. and dude… willie revillame only uses the poor to make millions and gain popularity.. totally different if youre a normal guy who tries to understand rather than a showbiz personality who gives money for his own satisfatcion and popularity..
If you’re so smart, what’s preventing you from applying pag-unawa to this article? (Never mind your hostility towards the author. Focus on the article.) Tell us how your being so high and mighty is not just a load of hypocrisy.
Make it quick; the decaf won’t keep me awake for long.
Parang sinasabi mo, dahil mahirap ang mga Pinoy, may karapatan maging bastos o gumawa ng mali. Onga, puede mo silang unawaan, pero hindi puedeng palampasin ang mga mali nila. Hindi excuse ang pagiging mahirap para gumawa ng mali. Yan ang critical thinking, pare.
Atenista din ako, dong… hindi ka nagiisip na parang tunay na Atenista. >:-)
hindi ko sinasabi na pwede na silang maging bastos.. ineexplain ko lang ang isang posibleng paraan kung bakit ganun ang nangyayari sa nirereklamo ng author.. at hindi ko sinasabi na ginamitan ko ng critical thinking yung mga sinabi ko sa taas.. ang sinasabi ko pagunawa lang ang kailngan.. simpleng ehemplo na lang e.. siningitan ka sa linya, sabihan mo ng boss, mali yan.. pumila kayo. hindi mo kailngan gumawa ng artikulo tunkol sa pagiging bastos ng PILIPINO at ginawa nyang general. hndi ren ito makakatulong kasi wala nmn shang gagawin tunkol sa sinulat nya e.. ituwid ang mali wag nang ipamukha at ingud ngod sa pmamagitan ng ganitong artikulo.. yun naman pala e.. atenista ka.. unawa lang lang at pagtulong.. di ka bagay maging Atenista at wala kang karapatan tawaging isang Atenista.. GUNG-GONG!!
di mo man lang kasi alam yung mga nararamdaman ng taong nagMMRT madami sa kanila mga minimum wage earners lalo na sa umaga.. minsan below minimum pa.. talagang magiging rude/bastos sila kasi sino ba nmng matutuwa sa sitwasyon ng buhay nila.. hindi pa pwede intindihin?? paguunawa??
So you’d be perfectly okay with everybody being completely inconsiderate towards you basta they’re having a bad day, a bad week, a bad month, a bad year, or a terrible life, is that it? Because life isn’t too kind to these people, okay lang na bastusin ka nila, is that right? Didn’t think so.
hindi mo kailngan gumawa ng artikulo tunkol sa pagiging bastos ng PILIPINO at ginawa nyang general.
Last time I checked, we’re still in a democracy. Too bad for you.
di ka bagay maging Atenista at wala kang karapatan tawaging isang Atenista.. GUNG-GONG!!
I was going to say “Don’t embarrass your school, please.” But right now, I seriously doubt you’re actually Atenean. You’re just too dumb to be one.
Batang Tondo, is that you rearing your ugly head AGAIN?
@AP guys, is this that Batang Tondo troll? Somebody check please. I don’t have all evening to clean up after his droppings.
Hindi kailangan gumawa ng artikulo? Hinde, pare, kailangan na kailangan ang ganitong article, kasi talagang matigas ang ulo ni Pinoy. Kasama dapat ng pagunawa ay isang malakas na batok! Itong article ay ang batok, at kailangan nito sa Pinas.
lul ;)wrote on 2 March, 2010, 8:20
Filinos rude?? do you have facts, studies or surveys to support your claim? bkit? sa tingin mo ba, ni minsan hindi nging rude yng mga ibang lahi?? iha, wg kng maggeneralize ng wla kang valid statistical facts..
at tandaan mo pinoy ka din, kinakain ka ng sarili mong article.. hahahah
@Lala,
tnga mo nman. okay ka ha, 300+ years *lang* nman…tayong nacolonize ng 3 bansa… so sa tingin mo wlang epekto yun sa pag-iisip ng nakararami sa atin?? obvious na obvious n nga sa inaasal mo ngaun eh.. hindi k b ngtka kung bakit you feel bad about your own???
The rudeness and disorder of Filipinos is very evident in contrast to Singaporeans, Japanese, Americans, Europeans and other progressive countries whose status we want Filipinos to achieve. If you have been to those places you will see. Of course there are rude and disorderly people there too but it is more pronounce in The Philippines. I am sure you heard of “Filipino Time”. Being late is rude. It shows lack of respect to the other person who did his or her best to follow the hectic timetable. It is also a sign of laziness.
Being colonized is not an excuse. There are so many countries of the world that were colonized and are still orderly. In fact, Hawaii is still a colony and the people there are orderly.
And as the severely erroneous Atenista said, they’re poor, so they think they deserve to be rude. What a ridiculous opinion that condones wrongdoing. Our country will never rise up from poverty that way.
Lala Reply: March 2nd, 2010 at 9:40 am
Here’s a clue for the intellectually encumbered:
Filipinos are rude because
- it can be seen everywhere, so Pinoys go “hey, if they’re allowed to be complete jerks, why not me?”
- it’s tolerated or ignored
- it’s accepted as typical, practically expected
- it’s justified by dimwits who blame colonizers
Filipinos are rude because there’s nothing about Pinoy life that severely punishes the Pinoy for acting like a complete @ss.
If Singapore’s anti-littering policy were strictly enforced here, you might find half your neighborhood in prison. I suppose you will be keeping them company, eh?
Mukhang wala kang mata, Lul. Aba, yan pala ang tawag mo sa sarili mo, ehhe. King di mo nakikita na rude ang mga maraming Pinoy dito sa Manila, eh di nagbubulagbulagan ka.
Bakit, totoo naman eh. Ako sumasakay ng MRT, agree ako sa obserbasyon ni Iya. Tama ang sinasabi niya. Sa SIngapore, hihintay muna na lumabas ang mga pasahero bago pumasok ang mga sasakay. Sa MRT natin, di pa tapos lumabas mga pasahero, saksak kaagad na mga sasakay, itutulak pa paloob ang mga lalabas pa. Talagang rude. Eh kahit anung pinto ng MRT nakikita ko yan, so paano nagiging mali maggeneralize nito? Tama naman eh. Paano naman magiging mali si Iya, eh totoo ang sinasabi niya, eh? Mata mo lang yata may diperensiya Lul. Di dapat kaawaan mga Filipino na bastos, managot sila sa ginagawa nilang mali.
Ma Xianding Reply: March 2nd, 2010 at 9:33 am
Thats why it is a generalization because it talks in general. Ibig sabihin karamihan. Common sense naman.
Lala Reply: March 2nd, 2010 at 9:30 am
I pull myself away to sip a little decaf and all you could come up with is “tnga mo nman” ??? Tsk tsk tsk.
I suppose we already expected a wimp to wimp-out further out of his earlier wimp-out (try to follow because this may be out of your league, thanks to 300+ years of colonization) right?
So ibig bang sabihin, dahil sa na-occupy tayo ng Spain, Britain, US at Japan for so long ay ok lang na maging bastos tayo hanggang ngayon?
Kung ikaw ba ang sinisingitan sa pila, sasabihin mo lang ba na, “OK lang yan na sumingit si Mokong sa pila dahil na-occupy ang Pilipinas ng mga banyaga.”
Pag may bastos na nagtapon ng basura sa maling lugar, dapat ba na sabihin “Unawain na lang natin sya dahil 300+ years na na-occupy ng Spain ang Pilipinas. Malamang Katoliko din yan.”
Kapag may bastos at walang modong salahula na dumudura sa publiko, OK lang ba na sabihing “Ayos lang yan, dahil na-occupy tayo ng Japan from 1941 to 1945.”
So ano pa ang dahilan nag pagkakaroon ng utak at sariling pag-iisip? Paano natin masasabi na malaya ang bansang Pilipinas kung hindi makapag-desisyon ang bawat indibidwal na huwag sumingit sa pila, na hindi dapat magtapon ng basura sa kung saan-saan, at hindi dapat dumura sa publiko? Hindi ba’t ang kalayaan ay naayon din sa pagpili ng paggawa ng tama?
If you blame it all on the supposed and alleged “conditioning” left by the foreign powers that occupied this country, para mo na rin sinabing PARANG HAYOP ANG MGA PILIPINO dahil hindi sila marunong gumamit ng utak nila at walang free will.
oo pare.. daming alam ng babaeng to.. balita ko shota nya ung prof nya sa dlsu e.. tas binreakan.. ayun galit na galit.. nagalit sa mundo.. lalo na sa pinoy
ang dami na kasing responses, ang hirap nang sumabay. And ang daming “matatalino” kasi dito. hirap basahin, ang hahaba and puro galit yung mga salita.
*****first disclaimer: there are naturally rude people everywhere, in every race, so yung sagot ko, more on the GENERAL FILIPINO/RACE. This doesn’t discount the fact that there are just rude people in the world.
*****Sanay tayo maging alipin (spaniards, americans, japanese, marcos). We were not prepared for Freedom. Yung inferiority complex lumabas, ayaw nang malamangan. “Never again”. Kaya it may appear as rude. Defense-mechanism dahil takot nang magpaalipin.
*****You will do as the master tells you for fear of punishment. Otherwise, you wouldn’t know what to do. Kung walang rules na na-disseminate, chances are, walang susunod sa “commonsensical rules”.
I grew up in the province, and sa totoo lang, di ako marunong sumakay ng elevator dati. Pagbukas ng door, papasok ako kaagad. It wasn’t until I went into one building na may arrows at sinabihan ng kasama ko na dapat mauna muna yung mga pababa kesa dun sa papasok, I probably wouldn’t know. Siguro akala nung ibang tao, I was being rude. I wasn’t. I just didn’t know.
I echo Kahlil’s comment on those signs sa MRT and yung audal cues: please stand back from the doors, wait behind the yellow line. Nakakatulong yun.
*****If there’s no punishment, there may not be behavioral change
During my first time in Singapore sabi: Bawal kumain ng bubble gum, bawal manigarilyo, bawal di magflush ng toilet…lahat may multa. Tapos lahat may sign ng “fine”. Siyempre, takot ako. Sunod talaga ako sa rules.
Sa Davao din ganun. Sabi no smoking kahit sa kalye. Huhulihin ka. And yung asawa ng officemate ko, di sumunod hinuli nga. Sa airplane pa lang, the flight attendant would say: “Davao is a non-smoking City”. Kaya ayun, people just don’t smoke anywhere and they tell people who intend to go to Davao not to smoke anywhere.
Sa Subic, hinuli ako ng pulis kasi meron palang malaking “stop” sign tapos ng “halfstop” lang ako at hindi full-stop. Kaya everytime I go to Subic, I make sure to follow these rules. Sa Makati, I had an officemate who got caught alighting the bus in a “loading” zone eh dapat sa “unloading zone.” di na sya umulit.
Sure, sure, Ignorance of the Law excuses no one. And sometimes it’s not ignorance but the lack of credibility of said “rules”. Hangga’t di nakikitang seriously implemented, baka “joke” lang.
It’s also a question of norms/customs. For some, rude to spit on the floor. For some cultures, it’s accepted. Yung pag-ihi sa pader, san ba nanggaling yan? Some may find that rude, pero wala pa namang nakukulong dahil umihi sa pader.
Again, ARE FILIPINOS RUDE? Kung naturally rude ang Pilipino, bakit nakakasunod tayo ng rules kapag nasa ibang bansa tayo?
So kung ako ang tatanungin: ARE FILIPINOS RUDE? My answer would be I don’t think so. We just don’t know any better.
WHAT DO WE DO NOW? 1. Education: ng basic GMRC, basic etiquette, basic rules/laws 2. Enforcement: kapag nakita nilang it’s a “serious” rule, susunod yan
I agree. Unfortunately, all you have to do is look at the current TV programming and realize… you have to wait for everyone who is 20 who watches that shit growing up as kids to die of old age before any change is possible. And since those dumbasses are multiplying so fast, fat chance. this isn’t a country anymore. it’s a series of feudal estates held together by an idea that they can be a country. One day you will see Mindanao split and go with the other southern hemisphere countries that are more aligned with their faith anyways. I am surprised they still hang around, actually. If I was a Mindanaoan, I’d have joined the separatists long ago.
Is po akong estudyante ng FEU at masugid na tagasubaybay ng blog na ito. Binabati ko po ang Antipinoy author na si Iya Justimbaste she is very cute and she writes very cutely too. I like her style parang tigreng matapang pero maganda. Rawr!
Hoy miss iya, kaya mo naman nasasabi na ayaw mo ng bumalik sa lugar na ito dahil madumi at magulo kumpara sa estados unidos, isip isipin m naman kasi na first world country sila at tayo third lang. malaki ang pagkakaiba natin. atsaka, ano bang problema sa pag kakaraoke/ videoke kung gusto ng tao? sa US na pinakamamahal mo may mga nagpaparty na ng alas dos ng umaga na ubod ng lakas sa mga subdivision dn naman ah, minsan nga nagkakasuntukan pa at may mga police pang kasama. siguro d ka pa nakaranas noon. at yang sitwasyon mo sa lrt/ mrt, kung ayaw mo yang nakikita/ nararanasan mo mag taxi ka! mag bus ka! mag fx ka! o kaya naman, dahil napaka hipokrita mo, bumili ka ng sasakyan m. kung aangal ka sa trafik, gumawa ka ng sarili mong daanan.
ang daming problema ng bansang ito, at ang dami mong pwedeng itulong pero and iniisip mo lang ay ang sarili mo. kasi alam mo bakit? gahaman ka! kasi self-centerd ka at ang mundo mo umiikot lang jan sa utak mo na napakakitid at napakaliit.
kung ayaw mo dito wag kang bumalik. hindi ka rin namin gusto dito. walang makakamiss sayo. hindi kailangan ng Pilipinas ng taong magtatapak sa dignidad nya. oo mga pilipino kadalasan nakakhiya na,aminan na to, pero mali pa rin na tapakan mo pagkatao ng iba porket mas maykaya ka lang, mas may itsura, mas may pinag aralan ka lang.
FYI, hindi ka anti-pinoy, dahil sa mga pinagsasabi m, hindi ka na dpat pang tinatawag na pinoy. walang utang na loob. magpa bleach ka, mag pa blonde ng buhok, mag lagay ng contacts na blue at sumiksik ka doon sa bumabagsak mong estados unidos. sumiksik ka doon sa libo libong taong nawawalan ng trabaho, libo libong taong nawawalan ng bahay at libo libong taong nagbabayad ng buwis para pondohan ang isang gera walang patutunguhan. yun yung gusto mo db?…
Sa Pilipinas milyon milyon ang walang trabaho at pinopondohan ng buwis nyo ay hindi Gera na may layunin kundi mga mansion ng mga opisyal ng gubyerno niyo at mga condo ng kabit nila. Oo may mga nagvivideoke din sa US pero hindi kasing laganap katulad ng sa Pilipinas. At mabuti yun ang Police sa USA kapag may nag videoke ng malakas pupuntahan nila at MATITIGIL ito. Sa Pilipinas hindi. Ang mga Police mangangatwiran na “Birthday po kasi eh”. Yan ang KAIBAHAN.
BTW, I am still here. Still suffering from encountering rude people everywhere like yourself. Your excuses for your idiotic countrymen are funny. I couldn’t stop laughing at every sentence you blurted. Your advice-to take the cab instead of the mrt is a lame lame excuse. Instead of solving the problem- stopping people from pushing themselves, you give this retarded solution. Why if all Filipinos think like you, this country is never going to progress. I assume you’ve grown accustomed to the rudeness of the Filipinos or- you’re one of em! Either way, it sucks to be you.
And what dignity are you talking about anyway? If you guys have dignity, you wouldn’t be doing that stuff right? I did not step on your so-called “dignity”. I just gave you a clear observation that you can’t deny hence, you gave me weird and pathetic advices. LOL!
Ms Kaye, sa palagay mo ba magkakaroon na ng disiplina at konsiderasyon sa kapwa ang mga bastos sa LRT/MRT kapag nag-taxi o nag-bus ang mga taong nagrereklamo at nagsusulat ng observation nila? Anlabo ng “solusyon” mo, ipinapakita pa nga lang sa atin kung ano ang problema (paulit-ulit na nga e, siguro naman di lang isang beses ka nakabasa ng mga ganito) – tapos isa-suggest mo agad na iwasan na lang yun? E wala talagang mangyayari kung lahat tayo ganito mag-isip.
ok, so before everything else, gusto ko lng sabhn na i think i used the wrong words to say what i wanna say. im sorry. my emotions got the best of me and iv said things i shouldnt have,and i know these are not enough to justify my harsh? words. pero ung iba kong sinabi im gonna stand by it.
actually, ang gusto ko lng tlga sbhn is, instead of complaining, sna gumawa na lang tayo ng paraan para maresolba mga ito. Ayun. Alam ko, marami sa atin naiirita na dahil kahit ano gawin natin paulit ulit pa rin yung kurakot at pandadaya na nagyayari, aaminin ko isa ako sa mga tao na yon. pero, kahit papaano, wag sna tayo mawalan ng pag asa na pwede ba mag bago ang mga pinoy. kasi, kung tayo mismo na mga pilipino ganito ang tingin sa ating bansa at kapwa mamamayan, eh di wala ng mangyayari talaga sa atin. Kung siguro gusto natin ng pagbabago, simulan natin sa atin. wala naman kasi mangyayari kung aangal lang tayo. ayan, nasasabi ko na ng mahinahon gusto kong iparating. at yung isyu sa lrt at mrt, kaya ko lang siguro nasabi iyon dahil kht noong pumunta ako sa ibang bansa, naranasan ko rin naman yong ganoon tulakan at siksikan hindi lang naman dito. at sa pagkakaraoke, ayang ugali nating yan, ang pagiging festive parang kasama na ng tradisyon at kultura natin eh, hindi ba’t namana natin sa mga Kastila iyon? pero hindi ko ipinagtatanggol ang pagiging maingay nila dahil pwede din sila makasuhan pag talagang sobrang nambubulabog na sila ng ibang tao.
Ayan, basta main point ko lng talaga sana instead na umangal tayo hanapan nalang natin ng solusyon ang mga problema na to. at sana hindi tayo mawalan ng pag-asa at pagtitiwala sa bayan natin. kung sa tingin natin na kahit palitan ang presidente eh walang mangyayari, eh di palitan natin ang sistema at pananaw natin. ayun.
lagi kong sinasabi na respect is something that u earn and sa mga nasabi ko nung una alam ko iv shown u ms. iya na im not worth any of ur respect, so i admit my mistake there but still just wanna say sorry hindi dahil nagmamabuti ako pero dahil alam ko na ako mismo mali mga nasabi ko. so ayun.
Kaye says: “actually, ang gusto ko lng tlga sbhn is, instead of complaining, sna gumawa na lang tayo ng paraan para maresolba mga ito.”
As Parallax said: “the author ALREADY DID SOMETHING about it- she told everyone who can read it to NOT BE LIKE THAT.”
Well said. I wonder why others have difficulty comprehending that.
“lagi kong sinasabi na respect is something that u earn and sa mga nasabi ko nung una alam ko iv shown u ms. iya na im not worth any of ur respect… so ayun.”
I believe the author is not COMPLAINING or asking to be showered with RESPECT but simply pointing out pinoy TRAITS that need to be changed/improved. If you backread further, you would have been more enlightened. Instead of your knees, use the upper part.
Aside from being rude, do yourself a favor hija, improve on your writing. Using text lingo and non-caps displays the kind of character the writer has. Would you want to blame the kastila again or the pinoy culture?
“Even when you say “excuse me”, they will pretend they did not hear you.”
Oh! Right on that one.
Actually I have my share of sentiments on this word “excuse me”. And this particular experience is one of them that I can vividly remember how pissed off I am of one our so called kababayan. In the grocery lane, a woman pass me because a friend of her already lined up for her ahead of me. This is one of the small things I easily get sore about. When they notice how annoyed I was she said, “Magkasama kami eh” I remarked her “As an act of courtesy you could have said excuse me”. Dumbfounded, her friend ask her if she said excuse me and the woman who butted her way said “Hindi ko naman natamaan bakit ako mag e-excuse?”. (Boom! Sabog!) simpleng pakikiraan lang hindi na sinabi, magdahilan pa.
>Filipinos Don’t Know How to Fall In Line and Yield to Right Way
Yep its true I was in the front in the waiting station when the train comes in people on my back began to move forwad that almost fall me in the railway. What is wrong with them.
I think I hate Filipino taxi drivers the most! They’re the worst taxi drivers ever.
They have this mentality that if a person looks rich (such as a foreigner) they would abuse them and try to contract a fare with them beyond what they we’re supposed to be paid for…
And to be honest… EVERY one of these taxi drivers are!
In other countries such as Japan, if the taxi driver got lost in the way, he won’t charge you anything. Here they really circle their cabs in every corner of the streets and tells you that he went on the wrong way where in fact the real reason was he wanted you to pay more.
And don’t even get me started with how jeepney drivers and bus drivers because they’re the most inconsiderate people when it comes in the road! Even Pedicab drivers are so uneducated!
FUCK CHINESE PEOPLE LIVING HERE IN THE PHILIPPINES. Wala na silang ginawa kung hindi unahan / agawan ang mga Pilipinong trabahador at may maliliit na business! Wag mo sasabihin na mali lang dumiskarte ang mga Pilipino, di hamak na racist ang ganun. Bastusan lang kasi talaga yang mga Chinese na yan!
Biruin mo ngayon ko lang nalaman, sa tabi ng Manila Doctors College, ang mga unang iccater lang na newly graduated nurses eh yung galing sa Chiang Kai Shiek na school! WTF?! Alam ko lupa ni George Ty yung katabi ng school kasi binili nya yun from Sy (yung may ari ng MOA, SM) eh bakit naman ganun? pano yung sarili nyang students from Manila Doctors College? And the fact na GOVERNMENT HOSPITAL YUN! siguradong sinulsulan nnman ng mga intsek na yan yung gubyerno.
I got my fucking facts straight kasi dad ko engineer doon.
Wag mo sasabihin na mali lang dumiskarte ang mga Pilipino, di hamak na racist ang ganun.
HIndi kaya higit na racist ang ginagawa mo sa pagbintang mo sa mga Chinese dito sa Pilipinas? Eh nasa kultura ng Chinese ang pagiging masipag. Nasa kultura ng Pilipino ang tamad. Kaya nga madali sakupin tayo ng Spain, kasi tamad noon pa ang mga Pilipino. Sorry, you still didn’t get your facts straight about Chinese. Are you sure lahat ng Chinese ganun? Engineer ang dad mo doon, pero tama pa rin ba ang analysis niya dun? Please come back with more facts and less hatred para mas mapapaniwalaan ka.
Ayon sa mga researches ang mga Pinoy ay hinubog ng sistema para maging empleyado. Ibig sabihin ang mga paaralan, kolehiyo at unibersidad, ay nagbibigay lamang ng mga kurso para maging empleyado ka at hindi para mag aari ng isang negosyo. Ayun din sa mga pagsusuri… sa malakihang pananaw or on the aggregate… hindi encouraging ang kultura ng pinoy sa pag – aari ng negosyo. pag nagsisimula ka pa lang mababa ang tingin sa ‘yo ng mga kamag anak mo dahil nagbebenta ka lang ng sapatos, pagkain, damit, mane… etc… Pero pag naging successful ang negosyo, lahat ng mga kamag-anak naman ay makiki “ride on” sa isang taong “successful” sa negosyo nya sa pamamagitan ng pag-utang, pag hingi ng trabaho, pag tulog sa bahay etc… isa ito sa sanhi ng pagkabagsak ng maliliit na negosyo sa Pinas.
Bukod dyan… dahil kalimitan hindi marunong sa simpleng proseso sa pagnenegosyo katulad ng accounting… napapaghalo nya ang mga accounting entries… di alam i segregate kung ano ang kita (income) at budget sa bahay. akala nya ang expenses ng pamilya o bahay nya ay parte ng negosyo…. in the end hindi nya ma monitor kung lumalaki ang negosyo o nalulugi… ang accounting entries nya ay DEBIT, CREDIT… KUPIT (kinukupitan ng anak, asawa at kamag anak)
Ang mga intsik ay matatyaga… nagsisimula sa maliliit… pinag aaralang mabuti kung ano ang kalakalan ng isang bagay o serbisyo na pwedeng ibenta… encouraging ang kultura ng mga intsik dito sa pinas sa kanilang mga kaanak. hindi nila minamata ang isang tao na gustong magsimula ng negosyo bagkus binibigyan pa nila ito ng puhunan para makapagsimula.
wag mong i blame ang di pagkakaroon ng negosyo ng pinoy dito… kasalanan yan ng kultura at sarili nila. ang mga tumutulong sa mga Pinoy ay mga intsik. yang mga malalaking kumpanya katulad ng mga pag aari ng mga LOPEZES, COJUANGCO, AYALA at mga myembro ng MBC ang mga nagpapasakit sa ekonomiya natin. ang industriya na ginagalawan nila ay dependent sa importation ng raw materials at hindi produksyon mula sa mga yamang matatagpuan sa pilipinas… (endogenous resources)… kokonte ang manufacturing companies dito… ang nandito mga ASSEMBLY COMPANIES… katulad ng Mitsubishi, Honda, Toyota…. kahit food manufacturing yung 90 to 99 percent ng raw materials ay imported.. Alaska, New Zealand Creamery… etc…. mga gatas at trigo (wheat).
Ang nakikita mo lamang ay yung mga nasa paligid mong pinoy na di naka angat dahil sa kultura ng kamangmangan… ang mga nagpapasakit sa atin ay hindi mga intsik… yang mga yan ang minsan nagbibigay pa ng negosyo at trabaho sa mga maliliit nating kababayan… tingnan mo ang takbo ng cellphone na dual sim, ang mga damit na binebenta sa baclaran at iba pang mga electronics na binebenta sa bangketa. Yung affordability and accessibility ng mga “leisure gadgets” katulad ng MP3 at DVD players yang mga tinitira mong intsik ang nagbigay sa mga kababayan mo na mangmang sa pagnenegosyo.
Bakit kailangan pumila para lang pumasok sa pintuan ng MRT/LRT? ano yan communism! Hirap kasi sau bibisita ka ng Pilipinas tapos sasakay ka ng rush hour sa MRT/LRT at tapos magrereklamo ka. Dapat inuwi mo yun dolyar mo mula sa tate at tapos bumili ka ng auto. meron naman Php150K o US$3.5K lang ang halaga. Feeling mo kasi porket galing ka na amerika ay prinsesa ka na. Ano ba ginagawa mo sa amerika diba’t nakikipag siksikan ka rin sa MRT/LRT o subway. susko naman sa susunod ng anti-pinoy campaign mo ay sana gagamitan mo ng konting talino.
Mali mali sinasabi mo tungkol sa pilipino. siempre kapag may bisita may handaan at kapag may handaan may videoke at talaga magdamagan yan. tangap naman ng komunidad yan kasi isang araw lang yan mangyayari o kaya ay may espesyal na okasyon. o baka naman may handaan ang kapit bahay nyo at hindi ka imbitado kaya ka naiirita. sya pala kung ayaw mo maistorbo marami motel na mura Php300 at makakatulog ka na ng magdamag. mas mura din yun earplug kung sobrang tipid ka sa budget.
Higit sa lahat ay totoong feeling superior ang pilipino kesa sa iba. bakit nga ba nag survived ang mga pinoys despite of hardship in life. kaya namin solusyunan ang kakulangan sa buhay at pagtiisan kung ano meron kami.
e ikaw, wala na nga ang angal angal mo pa… hahahahhahaha
Grabe, eh di isa ka sa totoong anti-Pinoy… walang disiplina, OK lang sa iyo maingayan ang ibang tao, OK lang ang hardship sa iyo basta “survived” lang… tell me, maayos na buhay ba ang gusto mo? Mukhang dinedepensahan ang mga mali ng Pilipino, ah. Halimbawa sa videokehan… gusto mo na hindi ka makatulog sa lakas ng ingay ng videokehan? O sa MRT, OK lang sa iyo na tutulak ka hanggang di ka nakasakay sa tren at na-late ka sa trabaho? Mukhang ayaw mo ng kaayusan at pagbabago sa bansa natin a. Anong karapatan mag feeling superior ang Filipino kung mali naman ang ginagawa? Binabati kita, Tunay na Anti-Pinoy. Isa ka sa mga dahilan kung bakit paurong ang bansa natin.
hindi ka naman siguro sumasakay ng MRT/LRT eh kaya humihirit ka ng ganyan… o siguro isa kang snatcher o mandurukot gaya gusto mo ng siksikan at tulakan. ba’t ayaw mo ng pila? sa bangko nga pumipila… sa terminal ng bus pumipila… sa jeepney terminal din…
putangnang videoke yan… ok sana kung magaling kumanta… umaatungal na parang kambing o baboy buong magdamag… ikaw siguro yun… isaksak mo sa kokote mo…. ANG TAONG DI MARUNONG KUMANTA WALANG KARAPATANG MAG VIDEOKE… dun sila sa videoke pubs… dun sila umatungal. yan ang pinakapangit na imbensyon ng mga hapon… BINIGYAN NG KARAPATAN ANG MGA TAONG GUSTONG MAG BALADEER AT MAG DIVA… ANG LALAKAS NG LOOB boses PALAKA naman!!!
NUISANCE!!! kung magbabasa ka ng batas nakalagay sa Civil Code ang definition nyan… dapat nga isinama yung illegal possession of ugly videoke voice. dapat ikulong yan ng PUBLIC SCANDAL… pag babae… parang ni re rape… pag lalake… parang si Abnoy na inagawan ng lolipop kung umatungal.
Me despite ka pa at me superior ka pa at may hardship ka pa…. tagalugin mo para maintindihan ng iba…
Hindi excuse ang okasyon para gumawa ng mali at pang-inis sa kapwa.
Mas dapat na pumila pa rin ang tao sa MRT dahil walang dayaan at para walang tulakan nga sa MRT. Pag pinilit mo na di maganda ang pilahan, eh di gusto mo pa rin ng kaguluhan at walang kaayusan sa kilos ng tao.
A Pinay domestic helper was caught on video contemptuously tossing around a Chinese couple’s helpless baby like a rag doll. It became world news back then.
I don’t think discipline is the solution. Discipline will only become natural for people if they themselves have learned to be courteous to one another. So for me, courtesy needs to be taught, and in the long run, discipline becomes a habit. Enforcing discipline will only result to rebellion IMO. Awareness of our surroundings and the people, i.e. courtesy, is what Filipinos lack.
malamang ikaw ChinoF ay punong puno ng hinanakit sa buhay kaya kahit konti smile ay hindi mo magawa at ngayon naman ay pinakokomplikado mo ang tinuring ko smile at tawanan ng mga pilipino.
simpleng lohika lamang at kung nanamnamin mo ang aking sinabi ay malamang maiintindihan mo ng maayos ang pagkatao ng bawat pilipino. siguro ang lahat ng nilalang sa mundong ito.
uulitin ko ang pilipino hangat magagawang umi-smile at tumawa ay gagawin niya. wala ako nakitang pilipinong namatay sa hirap ng buhay. tulad ng sinabi ko ang pilipino ay magaling gumawa ng paraan at yan ang wala kayo ni Iya. huwag ninyo ituring ang mga pilipino sa mga Instik, Hapon, Amerikano at mga Europyan na kapag may problema ay nagpapatiwakal na lamang.
Huwag ninyo isisi kung maingay ang kapitbahay at wala ka earplug sa tenga. Huwag ninyo isisi kung hindi sapat ang MRT/LRT sa dami ng pinoy na gustong sumakay dito. Ang dapat ninyong gawing ay magisip at maganalisa at alamin ang dulo ng bawat problema. hindi yun akala ninyong tama ay isisi ninyo sa kapwa ninyo pilipino.
ang suhestiyon ko sa iyo ay umi-smile at tumawa ng hindi maging kahabag habag ang inyong buhay. pwede rin naman kayo humingi ng tulong kung earplug at pamasahe pang taxi ang kailangan nyo araw araw. mababait ang pilipino at maunawain, higit sa lahat ay matiisin.
huwag ninyo ikagalit ang pagtutuwid ko sa inyong baluktot na paniniwala. maging mapagpasalamat at nagkakaroon kayo ng pagkakataon at freedom na magsulat sa web ng hindi ini-edit kung may sense o wala ang inyong mga topic. marahil nagpapadami lamang kayo ng hit points o bilang ng nagbabasa o pumapasok dito. HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHA hangang sa susunod ninyong topic mga kababayang mamulat sana sa katotohanan.
Sa MRT/LRT… siksikan dahil walang pila o walang sistema ang pagsakay. sa ibang stations pinag hiwalay lang ang babae at lalake.
Putangnang solusyon yan… mag EARPLUG… BOBO!!! basahin mo ang Civil Code… kaya lang di mo alam yan… ingles yan e. NUISANCE yang videoke na yan… NU WI SANS… ayan i google mo.
Kung gusto mong magtatawa… dun ka sa Mandaluyong Mental Hospital… wag dito. pwe!!!
Hmm. Ako’y Pinoy has a point. But nothing new to me.
Yes, Pinoys laugh at the face of adversity. Americans cry.
The reason is because most Americans are perfectionists. Psychologists have explained that if a perfectionist person wasn’t able to achieve the things or goals he was aspiring for, he easily becomes depressed and may commit suicide. That’s why America has a higher suicide rate than ours. But their perfectionism has made their country great.
It’s fine to laugh in the face of diversity, but when that diversity is self-inflicted, which is AP’s view of what’s happening here in PI, it ain’t funny anymore.
It’s fine for people to laugh at their own mistakes. We got that idea from America too. Filipinos though seem to prefer laughing at others’ mistakes.
I won’t see suicide rates as a significant social barometer. It depends on you commit suicide. At least in Japan, we see a strong and genuine sense of honor, not the of honor that makes Filipinos onion-skinned.
The truth hurts but still is, we cannot deny that most of the Filipinos are rude and thoughtless.
As a Balikbayan, I am having a culture schock in my own home country. Having lived in Europe for many years it is but necessary to compare and yes, Iya, you are RIGHT!
The rudeness starts at the airport when a uniformed official greet you with “pasalubong naman diyan”! In fairness, they have solved the taxi problems at the airport but outside, you need some luck to get an honest and polite taxi driver.
I have tried the MRT once and never again will I.
Noise pollution is everywhere. In buses, jeepneys, malls and even in the streets. PUVs are blowing their horns to catch passenger. A non-sense habit. A passenger who needs a ride gets in with or without those horn-blowing!
The Karaoke is quite annoying. There should be time limits. Sleeping time should be observed.
Staring at someone is an act of intimidation.
When you complain, you will be tagged as “walang pakisama or mayabang”.
Awareness of the problem is the start of solving the problem. But how to, when people still deny?
Kung walang magpapabastos, walng bastos at mambabastos. Sadly karamihan sa ating nga Pinoy ay bastos dahil marami sa atin ay hindi assretive. Tapos ang dami pang apathetic, walang pakialam kasi ang rason eh, basta at hindi sila ang apektado bahala na si Batman sa inyo. Aminin na natin most Filipinos are undisciplined and the author is merely pointing out what was wrong based on what she had experienced. Pero hindi ako masyadong agreeable dun sa sinabi niya na “Everytime I go the the US it seems as if I never want to go back to the Philippines where everything is dirty, not to mention irritating.” EVERYTHING? Sobra naman yatang generalization yon. Everything is dirty? OA mo naman, pasyal ka sa Bohol at Palawan at Subic baka medyo mabago ang perception mo tungkol sa bansa mo. Rudeness din yon at pambabastos sa Pilipinas. Mamasyal ka dito at wag lang puro USA ang maganda sa iyo para naman lumawak ang pananaw mo.
Everything the author sees is not necessarily everything, but she knows that. Read it from the author’s point of view. Better not complain about the “everything” if you understand what the author means.
But may punto pa rin ito… bakit ang US mas-maunlad kasya Pinas? HIndi sa laki ng lupa lang. The fiscal crisis of the US is not an excuse to say the US can also be a failure… ang Pinas nasa financial crisis ever since Marcos Era and lalo na since 1997… never nag-recover. Ang US nakakarecover, masmataas pa rin standard of living nila, tayo wala (Wag mo ring bintangan ang US para sa problema ng Pilipinas, estupidong konklusyon yan.). This is because di hamak na mastamad ang mga Pilipino. That is a cultural commonality that is observable whether you’re here or abroad.
Tama ka, kung walang magpapabastos, walng bastos at mambabastos… eh yung magpapabastos ay tamad.
How would everyone know that “everything the author sees is not necessarily everything”? Maybe my complaint stemmed from the fact that I took her “EVERYTHING” literally. Thus, I said mamasyal ka at hindi puro USA ang maganda sa iyo. (Wag mo ring bintangan ang US para sa problema ng Pilipinas, estupidong konklusyon yan.). I was not blaming the US for what’s ailing this country, at alam ko ang nais ipahatid ng nagsulat. and I am with her in what she wrote about except for that portion mentioned above. ang magpapabastos ay tamad HEHEHE where’s the catch?
Thus, I said mamasyal ka at hindi puro USA ang maganda sa iyo.
Oh the author’s here and I’m sure she’s been around. But don’t let the “ganda” of a few places hide the fact from you that our culture is generally defective.
ang magpapabastos ay tamad HEHEHE where’s the catch?
Kung merong magpapabastos, is it because they are too lazy to complain, or to lazy to create a good solution against pambabastos?
HalleluyahHymen Reply: June 4th, 2010 at 2:57 am
Kat
As to the form of writing… there is a sort of generalization on the “dirtiness” issue… but in context and substance… the message of the article is clear. Filipinos are rude… and oftentimes act as racists… The government agencies both local and national scope do not have the right policies in terms of solid waste management in most urban areas. In most cities every corner is a temporary dump site where households dump their plastic bags full of garbage.
Copied, I got your point. That perennial problem will stay for as long as Filipinos remain undisiciplined. Rude talaga ang mga Pinoy pero from my experiences ours is not a unique “trait” tayo nga lang ang pinaka sa lahat ng pinaka. Hymen? HYMEN!!!!
“I don’t think discipline is the solution. Discipline will only become natural for people if they themselves have learned to be courteous to one another. So for me, courtesy needs to be taught, and in the long run, discipline becomes a habit. Enforcing discipline will only result to rebellion IMO. Awareness of our surroundings and the people, i.e. courtesy, is what Filipinos lack.”
A lack of courtesy = rudeness.
Katwrote on 4 June, 2010, 9:28
@ChinoF
” But don’t let the “ganda” of a few places hide the fact from you that our culture is generally defective.”
Working for an NGO has exposed me to a lot of our “cultural defects”, that I can assure you. Several years of immersion to what you call marginalized sectors made me see that teaching people to change is easier said than done. More so if you tell them point blank what their weaknesses are they will either respond with hostile stare or excuses like, “wala na tayong magagawa riyan, ganito na talaga kami.” No matter how “kilometric” your patience may be, there will come a time when you just want to bang their heads in hard concrete so that they may wake up from deep slumber. That’s how difficult it is to change things which have been deeply imbedded in their psyche for many years. So, ano ang mainam na gawin?
1. Simulan ang pagbabago sa ating mga sarili. Hindi sapat na sabihing mayroon tayong kahinaan. Rather, we must do something about that weakness.
2. Tulungang ituwid ang mga kahinaan ng miyembro ng pamilya. Paano natin magagawang baguhin ang defektibong kultura kung mismong ang ating tahanan ay liko at depektibo.
3. Kumilos at makibahagi sa anumang programang magpo-promote ng tunay at tamang kultura.
Think of all the negative habits and for sure , we Filipinos have them. May nagpapabastos hindi dahil tamad silang magcomplai kundi dahil hindi sila tinuruang maging assertive. Marami sa atin, tinatapakan na, pero hindi umaaray not because we are lazy but because we are “nadyadyahi to be called maangal” Neither Fipipinos are too lazy to think of good solutions to the “pambabastos” Wala lang talaga tayoung pakialam kadalasan.
bakit kaya galit na galit yun other nick ni ChinoF sa akin e gayun solusyon ibinigay ko at hindi yun puros angal.
kung naiingayan ka sa videoke, isuplong mo o kaya sabihan mo yun gumagamit diba. pero pinaka magandang solusyon at mura pa ay yun earplug. masama ba yan payo ko? hahahhahaha
MRT/LRT? e di wag ka sumakay. kung afford mo ang jeep at bus dun ka na lang diba. kung nagmamadali ka umalis ka ng mas maaga sa inyo. hindi ba tinuturo ng magulang nyo yan sa inyo? sino ngayon may disiplina sa atin? hahahhahahha
yan ay ang aking dalawang sentimo lamang mga kababayan.
tandaan na palaging umi-smile at tumawa… tulad nito HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA.
isa lang ang masasabi ko sa sumulat nito,us citizen k nb? if the answer is yes,pwedeng-pwedeng kang i-declare na persona non grata iha! if you hate filipinos and called them stupid,better hanap k ng bampira pasipsip mo ang dugong pinoy mo at voila puti na lahi mo . puti k na bampira nga lang!
ate, bago nyo muna husgahan yung nagsulat , tumingin muna kayo sa salamin. Tumingin din kayo sa paligid at sabihin nyo kung nasan nakalagay ang disiplina at respeto ng mga Pilipino.
Bawal nga umihi sa pader, may umiihi parin sa pader. Bawal magtapon ng basura, may nagtatapon din ng basura. Mapagbigay nga tayo sa mga banyaga, pero kapwa Pilipino kinakawawa.
better hanap k ng bampira pasipsip mo ang dugong pinoy mo at voila puti na lahi mo
Napatunayan mo lang na tama ang sinabi ni Iya. Filipinos are Racist
Ah, so ibig sabihin wag natin respetuhin ang atin personal freedoms tulad ng freedom of speech? Basta tahimik nalang at chismis/sipsip habang naktalikud sila? Sige anu bang legitmate na kaso na pwede mo idaan ang nagsulat nito na person non grata?
Kung tinawagan namang stupid ang pinoy, may rational na rason naman eh. Dahil nga ang behavior nga nila ay classified under the word stupid as is defined in the dictionary! Factual lang po ate, walang personalan. Kung gusto mu gawin personalan, tulad ng pa bampira mo, ikaw nalang dahil sabi mo eh.
Iyan ang problema sa mga Pilipino, pag napupuna, galit kaagad.
Pag nagalit ka, magbilang ka muna ng mula sa isa hanggang sampu, tapos hinga ka malalim para makapasok ang oxygen saiyong utak. Pag kalmado ka na, basahin mo ulit ang mga posts at comments, then balik ka dito.
P.S. Huwag na mga bampira – nasa imahinasyon or TV lang iyon.
most of the antipinoy trolls here have mentalites of uneducated ignorant children.I am not pinoy,but I work with pinoys both in the Philippines and in the USA,and they all have their own indiviual personas.ChinoF,being racist towards Filipinos doesn’t make sense at all when your defending Chinese people from another racist remark,you sir,and I’m assuming most of you here are racist bigots who just can’t understand the simple concept that Filipinos are humans too.just like you and me.you guys are probably rude Filipinos yourselfs or just a non Filipino that is angry that his arguments aren’t hurting filipinos enough so he can expolit them in what ever manner he chooses…I know I’ve generalized everyone at antipinoy but the ones that are representing the website ATM fit the defintion of what you are trying to put on an entire race.I’m not your parent but if you have kids,I’m not sure you would want them to being critizied for something they did not do,like you are doing to Filipinos right now.and no,I am pinoy.I lied.no different from what you guys are doing now.and no,I don’t not think I am superior to any of you,unlike ChinoF whatever his name is.I have a headache and is using amobile device,i have better things to do
It’s just to show that you really haven’t have a grasp of the whole context of what this site is all about. “Filipinos are human too”. Yeah right, that’s always the excuse of most Filipinos NOT TO LEARN FROM THEIR MISTAKES.
Check the site again and try to grasp the whole context of what is being racist and what most parents call “spanking”.
ChinoF,being racist towards Filipinos doesn’t make sense at all when your defending Chinese people from another racist remark,you sir,and I’m assuming most of you here are racist bigots who just can’t understand the simple concept that Filipinos are humans too
Once again justifying my claim that pinoys like you don’t know how to play the race card and turning ChinoF’s argument into another passe racial argument that you fuel with your emotions AND NOT with your facts. Does his arguments incite hate? Does ChinoF CLEARLY wave about his racial superiority like the obvious oppressors of racism did?
Tell me this, how is racism/stereotype born? When you find the answer to that, you see the correlation these people are making is crystal clear. So stop acting like you can play the race card like you know it because oppressed races did and start using your brain for once. You are just as racist for trying to make it into a racial argument when IT IS NOT!
HI Iya, I thought I was the first to tackle with my post yesterday all the issues you mentioned in your article here. Turns out you were way ahead of me, particularly that thing about Filipinos as racists. Copied here my said post on ChinoF’s really great entry “Filipinos Are Not The Best In The World:”
I also deal on a daily basis all the exasperating Pinoy habits that I’ve never experienced in other countries.
1. I really resent it when Filipinos stare too much, whether at me or at a black tourist walking in the streets. Obviously, they know nothing about the 3-Second Rule, meaning if you stare at a person for 3 or more seconds, you’re being impolite to that person. Worse, they continue staring at you even after you see them. To me not only is it rude, it’s a provocation. Most of the time, Pinoys will keep on staring at a black guy passing by and I’ll catch them laughing and ridiculing him. Which leads us to another point:
2. ARE PINOYS MORE RACIST? While the rest of the world has moved on and has learned to embrace blacks and their beauty, the Philippines is still stuck with a politically incorrect, bigoted, Apartheid-era mentality. I’m not only talking about the staring and the ridiculing: there was this letter sent by a concerned Filipina mother to a major newspaper years ago. She wrote that she’s worried her daughter is going to work in the States because she doesn’t “want her to marry a black.”
And how about that sick old Tito, Vic and Joey movie where they have an actress painted in black complete with afro wig? In one scene, we see this “black” woman running around and hitting a white wall, smearing it with black paint. Of course, the comedy trio’s sick joke here is that “blacks have very black skin that they must be smearing their skin color on everything they get in contact with.”
3. When shopping and I’m browsing the shelves, I hate it when another Filipino shopper suddenly stands right in front of me blocking my view. Really bastos! In contrast, when I’m in a crowded public area with foreigners around, most of the time I’ll see them gesturing and smiling at me and graciously saying “please go ahead,” etc.
4. I really hate it when my neighbors cook “tuyo” and those other stinky dried fish. Not only is the stench offensive, but it seems to stick FOR HOURS to our curtains, upholstery, laundry and just about everything in our house. It’s not the maids who are cooking these, it’s the homeowners themselves. And they live in this upscale neighborhood.
Apparently even if a Pinoy is a trillionaire, his inherent lack of sophistication and decorum means he’ll keep on cooking tuyo or throw garbage out the window while driving his Mercedes or blow his nose in the streets. You can dress up a Pinoy in the latest and most expensive Christian Dior, but he’ll still behave like a proto-human.
Oops, my list could go on and I respect the need to keep things short.
I completely agree with the observations given by the author.
I use the LRT and the MRT to go to and from school and I’ve encountered a lot of rude Filipinos there. Not only do most Filipinos not know how to fall in line when entering the LRT/MRT, most of them don’t know how to give their seats to those who’d need them more (children, pregnant people, and elders). There have been lots of times when I, a female, gave up my seat for those who need them more despite the fact that there were lots of males seated around the train. Common courtesy is universal right? But apparently, most Filipinos don’t seem to know it. And I don’t know why it’s so difficult for people to line up properly. Don’t they know that things would be easier if they lined up as compared to pushing others just to get inside?
And people should be considerate of their neighbors regardless if they’re having a party. When we have parties at home, our parents always tells us to make sure to keep the noise down after 10pm because people would be sleeping already. It’s only right to be considerate because that’s what a neighbor is all about. The whole reason why I think it’s so traffic in the Philippines (especially in Manila) is because most drivers (of public or private transportations) think only of themselves. They think “I’m in a hurry so I’ll cut off everyone so that I can arrive on time” without thinking that others are probably in a hurry too. If we all just thought that everyone needs to getto their destinations ASAP, then it probably won’t be as traffic as it is now.
And as with being racist, it’s so obvious with how most Filipinos are so obsessed with having white skin. And these people look at those who have darker skin to be ugly while looking at those with fairer skin to be beautiful/handsome. Can’t darker skinned people be beautiful too? I’ve seen fair skinned Filipinos who aren’t really pretty but think they’re so pretty. Isn’t that a sign of being racist?
I’m really grateful an article like this has been written. I think that Filipinos need a wake up call. I mean, look at Singapore, Hong Kong, and Macau. These countries were faring worse than us before but now, their countries are developing faster than our country. Hong Kong and Macau has just recently been released by their colonizers and yet their citizens are quite disciplined. For example, we rode this train system in the new Hong Kong territories where no one checked if you paid for a ticket or not. You could get away with riding it without paying. But everyone who rode paid for tickets before riding the train. I think that if that was here in the Philippines, no one would actually pay for a ticket.
We need to help each other see the wrong that we are doing. I think that if all Filipinos learned to let go of their egos (that prevent the from accepting the harsh reality that our country and our countrymen have much to learn), start being considerate of our fellow countrymen, and act with discipline, our country would also be able to progress like other countries. We’d have a country that we can be really proud of.
… ay sus ginoo… there are ‘sang tambaks na articles written about flip rudeness, thoughtlessness, etchastera, etc… the most scathing articles, of course, are written by flips/flipflams/’merkan wannabes…
… that’s flip way of life… you cannot change it… and, flips will not change for s#it….
… i’ve been around… from australia to zimbabwe… i’ve seen, experienced, sufferred, etchastera, etc. them all…
… you’re lucky you’re not in the mideast and africa… female on one side… walking behind male… and you have to wear the burkhas… which is good if your part of the UGLYPAYAN tribe…
… some areas, if you’re in the wrong occult/race/tribe, they’ll kill you just because…
… hey y’all… flips/flipland is NOT THAT BAD… believe me…
Ulong pare, you’re one cheeky brat. Just `cause there are still some other countries that’re in worse conditions than Philippines it is no good excuse to sugar-coat them with sweet words. That country has so much potential to rise yet both the people (who are stuck there, not just others in abroad) and the government are failing at it. What kind of person would respect a country like that? No wonder even our kind likes to diss it. `Merkan wannabes, so what? Blame the ones who live there that refuse to preserve ancient traditions. Shut up before you even talk about defending the likes of which the author spoke of.
Am not sure if you are a “first timer” here but ulong pare’s messages are only satirical. There is truth in his/her messages, quite provocative but the comments remind me of the clear and present picture of what is being discussed. And I like his/her witty way – makes me laugh sometimes.
I’m half Filipino and though I am ashamed to say this, I must agree with you. I also happen to be half Welsh and a third Korean, and every time I go to SM Clark (or anywhere else in the Philippines while I visit) I keep getting stared at. I’ve also got to add something to your list about racism there: If you happen to have a lighter complexion, when you go to buy something they WILL raise the prices just because you’re white or foreign. While I visited I had to have my Filipino-Korean (the Korean doesn’t show very much) mother leave me outside because she and my other relatives were suffering from over-paying. And, along with the Mexican people (though I’m not expanding on them), whenever you make the SMALLEST mistake they will MOCK you in FRONT OF YOUR FACE to other people. They even try to sugar-coat it by saying it in Tagalog because they think you don’t understand. You have no idea how many times I’ve almost BLOWN UP. I’m so fed up with it.
I’ve gotta hand it to you. You’ve actually pointed out the biggest flaws, lol. I’m amazed.
I understand where the writer is coming from. It’s a total nightmare to live in our “subdivision”. Aside from chismosas in our street, we have to put up with the yabangan of our neighbors. We have one of the biggest houses in the street and a lot of our neighbors envy that. They compete with us by having ” karaoke parties” until the wee hours of morning, revv up their cars so loudly you’ll think you live in a race track. I have two siblings (nurses) who worked in the graveyard shift and when they come home, one of our neighbors consistently played karaoke or baduy songs loudly knowing full well my sisters were tired from work. His children kasi didn’t not finish high school, are into drugs and got married early. As if it’s our fault we didn’t turn out that way. And where have you seen people knocking on your door to ask for money, food and work just after seeing your house? I have nothing against giving back to society and our family does it fair share of charity. But we worked hard to save money to afford what we have now. You are not our responsibility. There are times when I walk down our street, our neighbors would stare at me like they want me to apologize for something my family worked hard for. You ugly dog, do you even have the right to stare at me at the first place? There are times I just want to buy an uzi and shoot the hell out of them.
For me, the rudest thing a stranger can do is stare at me. Specially if the person staring at you is a fair skinned Filipina who isn’t really pretty but think they’re so pretty. And she has her boyfriend with her at the mall and her boyfriend is staring at you too. And finally you hear them talking not even whispering, Maganda ba sya? (Is she pretty?) or Sinong mas payat saming dalawa? ( Who’s thinner between the two of us?) I know. It seems stupid to even bring this up. But sometimes I just get tired of their narrow minded thiking.
Filipinos are mostly rude. It comes from their family upbringings. Sometimes; ignorance; lack of education of the parents; social economic and educational status are some of the factors. Most are influenced by the behaviors of our leaders. You don’t have to look far. Just observe those in power. “Pasikat” will always be in their mentality. Because, most of us are poor. You have to asure yourself; that you are better than the next fellow in your status in life. So, you show off.
Many filipinos also don’t have any problems telling you that you’re fat to your face. So RUDE! I wonder if they teach manners in the Philippines. I went on vacation to the Philippines after 16 years and all I heard was , “You gained weight” or “You’re fat now”. It’s because I was 15 when you last saw me stupid! These people have some nerve.
I share your contempt about “weight comments” believe me! I reply however that they look old and malnutritioned and suggest that they have a Cancer check up test. Do the same, no one will make any comments about your weight gain
I just wanna share a few stories of some subtle and not so subtle rudeness that I’ve experienced from Filipinos
One time, when I was younger, I was with my mom at the grocery store. I stayed put with the shopping cart off to the side, so as not to be in other peoples’ way while she went around and got stuff. Now I don’t quite look Filipino so not many people can tell just by looking at me that I am, which explains the following – behind me, I overheard two Filipino ladies talking to each other, complaining to each other that they wanted to get something off the shelf by where I was, and they were waiting, but this “damulag” wouldn’t move. I hadn’t noticed them since they were behind me but apparently, from their conversation they had been there for a while. So I turned around and said “Pwede po kayo mag’excuse me’ kung meron kayong kailangan sa shelf” and smiled at them. I’m not the most fluent speaker but their faces were shocked – they had been caught! My mom happened to call me at just that time so I went and left those two without another word.
They went and found me later on in the grocery store to apologize – “Sorry! Hindi namin alam Pilipino ka pala!” I just said it’s okay but thought to myself, “Did it matter if I’m Filipino or not? It’s quite rude to talk bad about someone -literally- behind their back, and a simple ‘excuse me’ would’ve sufficed instead of their grousing.
Now, this other thing just happened today – I was at the grocery store by myself, only buying two ready-to-bake pizzas so I went to the express line. I asked the black lady at the end if she was the last in line. She said she was so I promptly got behind her. I was waiting for a little bit, not quite paying attention to anything in particular when I realized there was suddenly a Filipina standing next to me with some items. There were other people behind me now too. I gave her the benefit of the doubt – “Maybe she’ll slip behind me,” I thought, but as the line moved forward, she was inching ever so slightly ahead but still beside me. When the black lady in front of me had put her items on the conveyor belt for the cashier, I noticed the Filipina motion to start to putting her things there too so I had to step in and say “Excuse me, I was behind this lady.” All I got was an “oh” – she didn’t say “sorry” or anything but just went back in line behind me. I can only assume she thought she’d be able to squeeze in front of me and I wouldn’t notice, or that I’d just be nice enough to let her, even though she didn’t even look at me or ask if she could get in front – she just tried to do it without bringing attention to it.
These are pretty mild compared to the above, but I find that even this subtle rudeness can be quite annoying.
@boog, even other raced talk bad behind you, so dont ever singled out filipinos with that kind of behavior! every races has it shares of bad eggs! Filipinos don’t monopolized RUDENESS, try to live to other countries.
Well a lot of Pinoys working overseas do think that they are superior than their non-Filipino colleagues and employers, to think that they are consenting “slaves” in a foreign country.
my first reaction to this “article” was: “yeah, most filipinos are rude if it’s not their job to be nice”
I am a half filipino who grew up in Europe and I don’t speak a whole lot of Tagalog but I understand a bit.
Right now I am staying in Manila for a longer vacation so I’ve been meeting a whole bunch of people. And I have to say that most of the things that is pointed out in the article is quite true. Although I can’t say this applies to ALL Filipinos.
Most people I’ve met here don’t fall in line properly, play loud music during weeknnights and are a bit rasist. I’m a lucky guy cuz I have mestizo looks (fair skin) so I don’t experience the negative parts of it. But I asked some folks why Filipinos dislike Indians (not native Americans)? And the answer was: “They smell, they fool you in busisness, they only want your money and they look at our girls/ladies as if they want to do things to them.”
I’ve confirmed this “feeling” from Filipinos towards Indians with my some of my realtives and I get basically the same answer to why they dislike Indians. Now here’s the funny part. I’ve experienced this from FILIPINOS! . Some of them smell sweat (obviously the weather is a factor), they’ve tried to hussle me in business, they want money shortly after they get to know you (they txt about an emergancy and need money) and they stare at my younger sister as if they wanna do stuff to her.
I don’t know what to say. Are they totally blind??? When I say they I mean people who grew up in the Philippines. Cuz i certainly don’t think it’s in the blood – it’s the culture and society’s “fault”.
These things have happened a couple of times and not only to me but to my half filipino friends. For example a girl who suddenly broke her leg and needs money for the bill.
Yeah so Filipinos are a bit racist but so am I and everyone else I think. I would call it stereotyping. If I meet a chinese guy I think about all the chinese persons I’ve met and try to treat the new guy based on my previous experence.. same with the german guy or american guy. This went a bit out of context but my point is that I haven’t experienced this much “culture shock” in any other country i’ve visited. And remember that I am not saying that ALL filipinos are like this but the majority (>50%) I’ve met are.
BTW, antipinoy is a great site! Keep it up so we can have a great country for real!
If there’s one thing OneTamad and horny broadway puppets have taught me is that everyone is racist.
There are racist KOREANS, INDIANS, KKK, Blood, CRIPS, Thais, CHINESE and European racists. Accept it, we are no more and no less racist than everyone else.
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BenK Reply:
February 23rd, 2010 at 1:01 pm
Even if that’s true (which I don’t believe it is), just because it’s the way “everyone” is doesn’t excuse anyone.
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Gman Reply:
February 23rd, 2010 at 5:43 pm
This is a racist article as well. Nakakatawa.
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Moonlight Bomber Reply:
February 23rd, 2010 at 1:06 pm
If need be, we are _all_ a bit racist. Listen to “Everyone’s a Little Bit Racist” from the musical Avenue Q.
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BenK Reply:
February 23rd, 2010 at 8:11 pm
You guys that have seemed to have gotten hung up on ‘racist’ are completely missing the point. Filipinos are, in general, inconsiderate, undisciplined, and selfish. The unaccountable butt-kissing of certain foreign types or insulting behaviours towards others are just manifestations of that – racist by strict definition, true, but not really the problem. Which is probably a notion from which you should take some comfort, because to be perfectly frank, you can’t even do racism right: Filipinos collectively have an inferiority complex that would fill a sea.
Excusing racism as somehow being unavoidable or acceptable because “everyone’s that way,” or even more idiotically, because you take your social interaction cues from a shallow, two-star musical is a typically lazy Pinoy response – describe for us, in rational terms, how that point of view substantially differs from the response of the police to Iya’s noise complaint. Not only is the boorish behaviour aggressively practiced, it is just as aggressively tolerated – overlooked, excused, or when it becomes absolutely necessary to address, addressed with the most minimal stop-gap measure available. Honestly, do you think “Bawal Umihi Dito” is a legitimate solution? Some people like to proudly call others’ attention to Filipino “uniqueness,” well there’s one for you – the first thing a foreigner learns to read in your language is “Don’t Pee Here.”Iya’s original blog post on this topic, this is a matter of observation and not experience on my part: people generally treat me fairly well most of the time – part of that ass-backwards concept of racism, I guess – but I simply cannot help but notice that you all treat each other like shit most of the time. As another author here has recently pointed out, and what I recognized a long time ago is that you have little chance of being able to correct big problems like corruption and lawlessness if you can’t even manage the basics of acceptable personal behaviour. And as I pointed out in my comments to
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FreeSince09 Reply:
February 24th, 2010 at 11:11 am
oh you mean that other countries and cultures don’t have their own brand of rudeness and chauvinism? The same level methinks exists everywhere,even if you’re a redneck or a Flip that screams to a passing caucasian “Hey Joe!” With people saying that it’s only you that finds it insulting, apparently.
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BenK Reply:
February 24th, 2010 at 11:26 am
Okay, Flip. That’s who you’ll be to me from now on. That suit you?
Everybody has their own brand of rudeness and chauvinism, as you put it, that’s true. It’s everybody’s responsibility to overcome that. Just because someone else has the same problem does not diminish your own problem.
I’ll assume that for the sake of saving face you’ll tell me the answer to my first question is, “Yes, that suits me fine, I’m not bothered by petty name-calling.” Which is the first of two flaws in your mind-set. How can you be certain that I didn’t intend it as an insult? Unless you are completely isolated from Pinoy culture, you certainly know that particular slur has not taken hold as a fad of street language and thereby diminished some of its negative connotation (in the same way that many African-Americans will go about calling each other “nigger”, for example). Thus, you would have to acknowledge that either a) I am trying to insult you, or b) I’m a moron, and don’t know that “Flip” is a slur. If you don’t correct me, then that means either a) you are unable to recognize when you are being insulted, or b) you are willfully insensitive, and that in two ways: insensitive to your own reasonable expectation of being treated with common decency, and insensitive to the same expectations of your community, whom I might go out and further insult. It’s a fairly basic and accepted psychological principle that those who are abused in some way have a high probability of being abusive themselves to others.
The second flaw in your thinking is insisting that “everybody behaves badly” which implies that Pinoy misbehaviour is excusable. Here’s another way to think about that: I smoke. Because there are lots of other people who also smoke, when the health problems from the habit finally catch up with me and kill me, it won’t be my fault because it’s just what a lot of other people do — hell, that practically makes it normal. That point of view is no more illogical than justifying Pinoy rudeness. And the effort to justify it is nothing more than enabling it to continue, because you’re not doing anything to stop it, probably not even in your own interactions — people can justify things much easily for themselves than they can others.
You think “Hey Joe” is harmless? Say it to a Frenchman or a German sometime and see what happens — you can’t tell us apart by looking.
The question is: Why are we racist?
Could it be, during Spanish times, that the best way of social mobility was to marry a white Spaniard or a half-Spaniard mestizo? Could it be that our preference for whiteness is so deeply ingrained into our psyche that it would require 300 years of reprogramming to undue this damage?
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ChinoF Reply:
February 23rd, 2010 at 10:19 pm
Yep. Spaniard values are very racist.
And my mom who’s in the UK said, “Kung Amerikano racist, mas lalo ang Pinoy. Kung tumingin sa itim o hindi puti, ang baba.” Yep, there’s a racist in every people… and it’s always for vested interests.
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Nakakatawa ang ibang mga Pilipino. Nakatikim lang ng konting gaan sa buhay at pagkakataong makatira sa ibang bansa, pakiramdam nila’y isa na silang banyaga. Para silang mga hipokritong nagmamalinis. It is really funny how “good” these people are that they can generalize Filipinos as such.
I guess US made the author so high and mighty. With our culture as reference, other countries like the author’s place of ass-licking refuge, is nothing but a place full of baby-killers, polygamous bitches, and money-grabbers who had their priorities in life skewed.
Kung di tayo makasabay sa kultura ng mga Pilipino, lumayas tayo sa Pilipinas. Matuto tayong magpasensha kasi nasa Pilipinas tayo. Huwag din natin husgahan ang asal ng buong bansa sa pagtingin sa asal ng mga taga-Metro Manila. Pagisipan natin ang mga sinusulat nang di magmukhang mangmang.
Dagdag pa, ika nga ng mga matatanda, kung di ka parte ng solusyon, kahit magdadadak ka at magiingay gaya ng mga aktibista, isa ka sa PROBLEMA.
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Lala Reply:
February 24th, 2010 at 7:50 am
Oo nga Gman. Wala ka namang naibahaging solusyon, so kahit magdadadak ka at mag-iingay gaya ng mga aktibista, isa ka sa PROBLEMA.
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BongV Reply:
February 24th, 2010 at 8:17 am
And the Phil made Gman so high and mighty – with reference to pinoy culture like Gman’s
* worse-than-a-dumpster squatter colonies
* trash-laden streets with rats larger than a cat scampering around
* law enforcement system where the difference between a criminal and a cop is that the other party has a badge
* polygamous Pinoys and their retinue of GROs, Masahistas, Kabits, Pokpoks – and Pinays who wanna turn the table on the chauvinist Pinoys have to deal with the stupid double standard of the typical Pinoy male’s ego – which is just about the size of his d*ck
* warlord-dominated, mafia-style godfather-wannabes in every corner and locality – from purok councilman to baranggay captain, city councilor, mayor, governor, RDC chair, all the way to the top!
* a “baby lover nation” with the highest incidence of child pickpockets, child prostitutes, child beggars, and more recently child abductions as sources of organ transplants.
* and a country full of estapadors – panay hingi ng cash advance, di naman ginagawa yung trabaho, ikaw pa ang masama pag pinaalaala mo.
you gotta be kidding gman
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Gman Reply:
February 25th, 2010 at 5:28 pm
Awww, did it hit your nerve Bong V? Sorry if you love US more than you love the Philippines. It would be better for you if you just go there and leave this dysfunctional country. When you leave, take the foreigners buying our land in Bagiuo, Cebu, and in the provinces with you.
Sometimes it is just disappointing to know that Filipinos (specially those who had the opportunity to be in other country) are losing hope and thinking that our country is a hopeless case. If you have that mindset, it would be better if you just leave this dysfunctional country and burn your links with the Filipinos. Go to your better country. Why call yourself Filipinos when you will be branded as one of what you outlined above? Why?
By the way you can add this
* trash ex-filipinos who take pleasure in comparing dysfunctional Philippines to the countries they now take as their new perfect home.
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BongV Reply:
February 25th, 2010 at 5:37 pm
Gman:
Hit a nerve – phrase does not exist in my lexicon amigo
Leave? Matagal na!!! ROTFLMAO!
And you know what, the Asians (Taiwanese, Korean, Japanese, Thai, Indonesian) that I meet wonder why despite all the professionals in the Philippines, the Philippines is so screwed up. I till them because for every 1 sane law-abiding, civic-minded Filipino there are 100,000 Filipinos who are IDIOTS who put up with the idiocy.
As to buying YOUR land in Baguio, you have to ask me? to tell the buyer off? How can the foreigner buy your land – the constitution does not allow it. Aren’t you violating the law? Ayan Exhibit #1 ka – typical Filipino Lawbreaker, tapos aangal pag nalamangan, gawain naman. asus.
Parallax Reply:
February 25th, 2010 at 6:18 pm
hahahahaha
tinamaan si gman. lol
Gman Reply:
February 28th, 2010 at 11:37 pm
Parallax, tinamaan kadin, Filipino ka din e.
BongV, I don’t own any land in baguio, I’m nobody’s exhibit. But unfortunately, you are mine. Hahaha!
The Philippines is like this because some Filipinos, like Exhibit 1 – BongV, who may be sane law-abiding and civic-minded, already left the country instead of serving the Philippines. Instead of contributing to make their country a better place, then they just look for a new comfortable nation to call their home. Then they keep yelping and barking that the Philippines is not like their new nation. “Bakit ganyan sa Pilipinas, dito samin, ganto, ganto. Di na kayo nagbago pabulok na ng pabulok.”
Maraming mga Pilipino ang malansa at maituturing na mga basura – nagiging Pilipino kung may kaginhawahan at karangalang makakamtan, ngunit lilisanin ang Pilipinas sa sandaling dusa’t kahirapa’y nakaamba.
Parallax Reply:
March 1st, 2010 at 6:14 am
@Gman, hindi lahat ng filipino ay tinatamaan ng diskusyong ito. ang tinatamaan nito ay ang (a) mga may racist behaviour towards those of different racial origin, (b) mga masasamang ugali at walang konsiderasyon sa kapwa, at (k) mga naiinggit sa mga nagtagumpay abroad kaya idinedepensa ang mga kabaluktutan ng katwira’t pag-iisip ng mga pinoy sa pinas.
ikaw ay bahagi ng letrang k, gboy.
kung di ka makaalis sa bansa mo, huwag kang magalit sa mga nakararaig sa iyo. hindi nila kasalanan kung ikaw at iyong mga kababayan ang palpak.
BongV Reply:
March 1st, 2010 at 6:41 am
Dyan ka mali gman, I have assets in the Philippines which I have invested in. And I can invest some more, but the the way Filipinos do business in the Philippines is just lousy – full of red tape, full of fixers, andaming humihingi ng lagay – Filipinos are corrupt.
Malas mo na lang at di ka nakalabas at maintindihan what world class means at ng hindi ka… wa-class
kung ang isang tao e may respeto sa ‘pagkakaiba’ ng bawat isa, sa tingin ko e hindi siya magiging racist…dibadibs?
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It is the truth.
I was in this airport in America, I asked a roving TSA with cotton swab in hand to direct me to Cathay Pacific. He said, “see those line of boxes snaking around the terminal? Follow those boxes to the check-in counter. Across that counter is Cathay Pacific” DUDE, THE DIRECTION WAS RIGHT ON!
Without the TSA knowing I also have two balikbayan boxes. I was the only passenger, I guess, with balikbayan boxes checking in Cathay Pacific.
One older man came to me, he said, “young man, I think that check-in counter across must be your airline”. I showed him my ticket it to Cathay Pacific. I was connecting to Cebu direct from HK.
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There is no right-of-way in the PHilippines. Wrong-of-way is the rule. I stopped at a STOP sign. The SUV behind me leaned on his horn until I moved. He pulled beside me and gave me two dirty-fingers.
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ChinoF Reply:
February 23rd, 2010 at 10:34 pm
You should’ve reversed and rammed him. Anyway, the one with the fault is always the one behind. hehehe
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BongV Reply:
February 24th, 2010 at 8:26 am
dang, an FOB asked if we knew someone in the DMV who can issue him a license because he failed to pass the written and practical exam five times.
we were laughing and told him, nasa amerika ka na, hindi na pilipinas ito – matuto kang sumunod sa batas – or take the bus, or take a bike, or take a hike!
in 2003, there were dudes in the memphis DMV who were doing that (issuing licenses for a bribe) – the FBI nailed ‘em – confiscated all their property (house, car, savings), forfeited their retirement and sent ALL OF THE people involved to jail – including their section head.
kung pilipinas yun, nakupow, nilagayan na ang NBI… ang Pinoy nga naman.
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This I noticed. OFWs are more behaved than Filipinos from America. I do not know why.
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ChinoF Reply:
February 23rd, 2010 at 10:32 pm
Filipinos work best when guided by a foreign hand.
But when they belong to the foreign land, medyo mayabang na. Some of them, of course. Pero enough to make a generalization.
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BongV Reply:
February 24th, 2010 at 8:30 am
Baka yung nameet mo yung.. BSN – Binuhi Sa Nurse (Binubuhay ng Nurse)
can’t find a job – gusto white collar agad, wala namang skillset, kaya naging tsuper ni misis – lotsa pinoys here get comfy with being mister mom – pag yun nameet mo – super yabang… naka BMW Z2 – si misis naman nagbabayad…si misis baon sa utang.. si mister pinoy – pa gym gym at basketball.. LOL.
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Homer Reply:
February 24th, 2010 at 9:25 am
Some of them can be found attending FilAm get-togethers, where one can usually hear the question, “Saan mo nabili yan?”.
From my experiences, the ones most likely to become mayabang in a foreign land are usually the ones who were absolute nobodies when they were here.
The smart Pinoys adopt to the culture of the land they are in, while the idiot Pinoys expect the country they’re in to adopt to their Pinoy culture…..Remember the story of this douchebag in a foreign country who was fired for using “tabo” to clean the tae off his fat ass while messing-up his office restroom? Siya pa ang nagalit after his office laid him off!
Some Pinoys talaga…
ChinoF Reply:
February 25th, 2010 at 11:14 pm
Hey Homer, that’s another side of the story. I know of the Filipina in Australia who was reportedly jailed by her employer for simply using water to clean her ass after dumping. She was thought to go against environmental policy to “save water.” But I doubt she scattered her poo all over the place.
My autistic nephew does that, though. :/
This other guy you described used the tabo, but didn’t care if he messed up the bathroom. Now that’s a clear demonstration of lack of consideration. He cleans his ass but doesn’t care if the next user will have a clean bathroom to use. That sure is a ground for dismissal.
Now there are two tabo stories – which one shows the better Filipino?
Homer Reply:
February 26th, 2010 at 3:20 am
Hey Chino,
I’m not aware of the Filipina’s story, so the tabo guy is the “baboy” I was referring to.
ilda Reply:
February 26th, 2010 at 4:59 am
Hahahaha…this is such a funny thread…basta malinis yung______ ,ok lang madumihan yung toilet…hahaha. Sabi nga ng mga Assumptionista: “Kadiri to death!”
Let me copy some other comments I made on Iya’s blog:
There was this other observation while I was in Singapore. In the middle of mass, a cellphone rang, and the one who answered it was an elder Filipino. “Hello! Ano!” He spoke at the top of his voice, like those other people you observe in the bus or MRT shouting into their cellphones. But he was in church for crying out loud (pun not intended)! People were looking at him, and my mom could not help but sigh. Matanda pa yan ha! Kakahiya. Is that rude or what?
I heard on Sentro ng Katotohanan from an Ang Kapatiran representative that GMRC (Good Manners, Right Conduct) is sadly not being put to heart by Filipinos. This is what needs to be revived in schools. And it should be done using SECULARIST ethics, not Catholic.
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ChinoF Reply:
February 23rd, 2010 at 11:22 pm
The thing is, even if there are fewer misbehaved Filipinos (let’s say, 56 good 44 bad, marami pa rin ang bad, hehe), the kind of misbehaviors and mistakes they make are loud. They are so pronounced that people will think the Pinoys are like that. Like that Filipino in church… not only was he literally loud, the kind of misbehavior he was making was loud… and it would make other nationalities think that all Filipinos should into their cellphones even while in church. I always find it funny too that people have to shout into their cellphones when they could just place the phones nearer their mouths.
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baka mamaya masabihan ako… LOOK WHO’S TALKING. hehehehe…
neway magandang post ‘to. factual observations.
pag nakatira ka sa isang subdivision…. walang pakialam ang kapitbahay mo sa ingay na ginagawa nila… mula sa aso na magdamagang kumakahol… sa videoOKE na wala sa tono ang pag atungal na trying hard na magpaka DIVA o Balladeer… geez buong magdamag pag may okasyon. paano kung araw araw may bertdey, kasal at binyag?
pag pumipila ka sa isang terminal…. me mga taong sisingit sa pila… matandang babae, sigang poser, matronang tsismosa na nakakita ng kakilala sa pila.
pag nagdadrayb ka sa kalye… merong mga sasakyan na may wangwang (siren) na kala mo sila ang may ari ng daan…. minsan hihinto ako bigla at itataas ang hood ko… kunwari sira…. kaya bahala sya sa buhay nya… suntukan na lang kami pag sinigawan nya ako. isama mo na din dyan yung pagkahabahabang entourage ng isang putang inang pulitikong pulpol na may dalawang pulis patola sa harapan na hinahawi ang daan…. minsan tanungin mo ang pulis… “ser sino na namang kupal yan?”… ngingiti lang sayo… sasabihin “trabaho lang po.” tangina nyo pera naming nagbabayad ng buwis yang ginagasolina ng motor ninyo para gawing prinsepe sa daan ang mga hindot na pulitikong pulpol na yan.
sa mga coffee shops… lalo na sa starbucks… yang mga mahihilig magtaas ng paa sa silya na akala mo sosyal at ke lakas lakas mag kwento na wala namang wenta… hindi porke naka-starbucks ka at bumili ka ng frapochino o copi gely may karapatan ka nang ipatong ang paa mo sa silya… courtesy ang tawag dyan… dahil marami pang pwet ang gagamet ng silya na pinatungan mo ng paa mo na di namin alam kung may alipunga. tsaka please… hindi interesado ang mga katabi mong makinig dyan sa mga kwento ng gadget mo o boylets mo. dun kayo sa luneta… i take out nyo na lang yang kape nyo.
… hehehehe…
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I nod my head in agreement with most of what’s being said here. I need not add my own observations just to point out how embarassing Pinoy behavior can be sometimes.
The behavior of a stuck-up f*gg*t on another thread should provide another glowing example.
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Hi,
I concur with most of what the article’s author and most of what those that sent a comment said. I too am very irritated with the people who are very inconsiderate and generally feel the world revolves around them.
The article’s author is correct to mention that people in the Philippines, from the lowly member of the masses to the high and mighty elected “servants” of the masses, generally do not act with the slightest hint of common decency. One commenter correctly mentioned that this has been ingrained in the psyche of the Filipinos. This is a behavior that has been passed on from our ancestors who have been repressed by foreign occupiers. We, as a nation, have a tendency to do our best to please those who we feel are superior to us or those who we feel can raise our station in life. On the other hand, we also have the tendency to step on the toes of the people we feel are inferior to us or to do our very best to be in a position to be able to do so. This we can see is being done by hook or by crook.
However, I feel there is still hope for the Philippines. There is still a chance for us to be a truly thoughtful people, a truly courteous people, a truly respectful people and a truly disciplined people that can be a shining example of decency in the world.
I understand that this has to start with a leader who has the political will to lead the Philippines down the righteous path. A leader who can lead though actions and words. A leader who is focused on doing what’s good for everyone and not just for the privileged few. Hopefully, this leader will be the one who wins the elections.
I also understand that this leader will also need the support of the people. The people should also want to change and to move in the direction of decency. It’s unfortunate that most of the Filipinos don’t know how to do this but all that is needed is a few people to open their eyes to what is good. The people have to know what is right , and the people have to be reminded of what is right. The people need to see what wrong things are being done and what right things need to be done.
This is where people like the article’s author comes in. The people who sent in their comments need to pitch in also. We all have to do our share to help people change their bad behaviors, or at least help people see what is the correct, or better path. Another commenter said, “if you are not part of the solution, then you are….” This is very true! We all have the means to use new tools that can be used to change the aforementioned bad behavior of the masses.
Behavior is a product of that which is ingrained combined with that which is taken in from the environment. The Filipinos have been exposed to very few decent people and the indecent ones are those that are adding to and enforcing the negativity passed on from the past. It is high time that an environment of decency should be cultivated in the modern Philippine environment.
Every long journey always starts with a very small step. If all of us can just help one person we meet everyday to see the light, there is a chance that these people will have their eyes opened. They in turn, can help others do the same thing. Pretty soon, maybe in our lifetime, a truly long lasting change for the good may happen. We all have to start caring for the Philippines! Apathy is not the answer! We all have to help each other in this endeavor!
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Renato Pacifico Reply:
February 24th, 2010 at 8:14 am
Joseph, A goot leader tried to change the Filipinos, the messenger (the idyot peryodistas) intentionally screw up the intention to pit Filipinos against Filipinos to increase general circulation and bottom line. Because the messengers themselves are Filipinos.
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SURGEON GENERAL WARNING: Reading this article causes high-blood pressure, irregular heartbeat, violent vengeful tendencies, hyperventilation and erratic behaviour. PLEASE REFRAIN FROM READING THIS ARTICLE BECAUSE THIS ARTICLE IS THE TRUTH BASED ON OBSERVATION. Filipinos do not want to hear the truth about themselves that is why they cannot correct the problem. Filipinos fails history all the time the reason they keep repeating it.
DISCLAIMER: This article is not scientific. It is based on observation. There cannot be a scientific study on Filipino because they wind up dead or being accused of BAKLA, ING-GIT, ENVY, JEALOUSNESS, WRONG GRAMMAR & SPELLING, NOT LEARNING. The ALL CAPITALIZED WORDS ARE COMMON DENOMINATOR of accusation if telling the truth
Filipinos are educated but not learning from it.
I would rather teach an OLD DOG NEW TRICKS than Filipinos OLD TRICKS.
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No,I’m saying that Hey Joe! here is considered a “normal” thing to do here. I despise racism in all its forms. But when somebody says that Filipinos are “racist”, yeah well so are a lot of people. prejudice exists in all forms and cultures. It is a constant human habit, Pinoys have simply subverted their racism into a self-depecrating stance on their own race.
I actually chastised our housemate because she was screaming “Hey Joe!” in front of a passing white guy. turns out that it’s “OKAY” to use that slur. In this country at least.
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Renato Pacifico Reply:
February 24th, 2010 at 2:07 pm
Wooooo Hoooo! I agree with FreeSince09. Since all “… Filipinos are “racist”, yeah well so are a lot of people. prejudice exists in all forms and cultures. It is a constant human habit,…” THEREFORE, IT IS OK TO BE RACIST!!!! Yeeeehey!!!! WoWoWieeee!
Definition Racist: A racist is a person who race cars for a living.
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FreeSince09 Reply:
February 24th, 2010 at 2:24 pm
Uhmmm… it’s never okay to prejudice individuals based on their appearance.
Judge an individual on what he is. Not on the people that he looks like.
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ChinoF Reply:
February 26th, 2010 at 12:17 am
Racist: Person who thinks he races with others for superiority in something… whether intelligence, beauty, money, etc.
As for us AP writers, we’re not racists… we’re vehement critics.
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ChinoF Reply:
February 24th, 2010 at 8:09 pm
“Hey, Joe” is a sign of the backwardness of our country. That’s what Americans were called here during World War 2. Is it still World War 2 now? Also, there are some Americans today who are insulted when called “joe.” We can’t tell them “live with it because you’re in our country.” That gives them the right then to call us “indios” when we go to their country. Tit for tat.
I get your point, FreeSince09. Hope you agree that we’re not racists here. We’re just generalizing based on observations. When we say “Filipinos are stupid…” we don’t mean everyone, but we mean those Filipinos… who are stupid after all. I guess the phenomenon I described explains things… rudeness tends to be louder, and “mabait” Filipinos tend to be “tahimik”… but when you’re rude you’re loud… and what’s louder is the more noticed… and thus becomes the stereotype.
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I’ma filipina and I’m proud of it..I’m not bias i have some few observation and experienced that WE ARE ALSO THE SAME..yeah! we are rude and racist and masmataas ang level ng mga americans sa amin..level ng pagka racist! hehehe..
I experienced this one time when I;m talking over the phone to an AMERICAN WOMAN and she’s so mad and RUDE keep on saying bad words such as F***Y** and ST****B**** even without telling me what’s her concern and then when i found out what makes her mad..is tenen! she’s scratching the barcode! she can’t scratch the barcode to get her pin that make her mad (not to mention what kind of card is that)hehehe..see an old woman rude pa din pano pa kaya ang mga bata sa kanila..and hello! even abotin ka ng umaga you can’t scratch a barcode..that only shows..hehehehe..
I was at the public hospital around Manila one time..ng may pumasok na foreigners..may lumapit na nurse and the nurse entertein them ask them what’s their porblem and how can she help..inuna niya ang mga gagong iyon kesa sa mga kapwa pilipino niya na sampong oras na ata na naka pila..they say it’s juz part of being hospitable but NSAAN NA PAGIGING HOSPITABLE MO SA KAPWA MO??
Me and my friends was at the bar one night and we took some pictures to keep it as our remembrance..when this foreigner guy ruined our moments..aba! nag feeling pogi si mokong sinali niya ang sarili niya sa picture picture namin and NAKA BAD SIGN pa ha! soo rude..we told him to stop for about three times but he didn’t listen he keep on doing it..soo we decided to move na lang..it juz SHOW NA RUDE AND HARDHEADED DIN TALAGA SILA…
I experience this one night and I was so mad I can’t sleep because of our neighbor who celebrate the party for about three days damn! three days of hell..they sang until their throat outs and get drunk hanggang morgue..until boom! bigla silang nagsuntukan..even iyong motor nila pnaharurot nila na as if they are the only persons living in the world..yeah! MASAYAHIN LANG TALAGA ANG MGA PINOY..MASAYAHIN AT WALA DING PAKIALAM
“SEE..it juz show that even we are living in different world and living in different ideology still we have something in common..soo IF YOU ARE TELLING THAT WE ARE RUDE AND WHATEVER..YOU ALSO TELLING THAT TO YOURSELF*
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Lala Reply:
February 24th, 2010 at 11:16 pm
That woman wasn’t rude. She was absent-mindedly foul-mouthed. It doesn’t make that woman more rude or racist than you.
When it is an emergency, they have to be attended to IMMEDIATELY. No racism there. Which hospital was it anyway?
Not to give that guy an excuse but you were at a bar with the possible “risk” that somebody drunk might do any number of things that would have him easily arrested elsewhere. He was rude, yes, but no surprise there. Any drunken Pinoy can do the same in any bar too.
We have a lot of those in our streets too. Now THOSE Pinoys are rude.
Now that did not make any sense. Are you drunk? That is so rude.
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I guess it’s easier to throw shit across the fence (especially when you think the place you currently live in is the best in your mind) than in your own yard. Let’s see how Europeans see Americans then… hmmm wait a minute, it sounds like Europeans would be saying the similar things about Americans what the author is saying about Filipinos… Depende lang kung anong tingin mo sa sarili mo… at tingin ng ibang tao sa iyo…. easier to bail and disown a struggling country, shed your own culture for a better one… but guess what, Filipino ka pa din kahit magpafacial recronstruction ka pa, magpa-bleach, magpalit ng accent… and other countries/cultures would think the same trash your throwing across the fence at you as well.
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Lala Reply:
February 24th, 2010 at 11:22 pm
So does THAT make it okay for Pinoys to be as disrespectful as described here?
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Iya Justimbaste Reply:
February 25th, 2010 at 9:06 am
Ang babaw ng definition mo ng pagiging filipino…fixated on physical featues.
If being Filipino is about watching crappy soap operas then no, I am not a Filipino. 
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ChinoF Reply:
February 26th, 2010 at 12:02 am
Ang problema nga is the behavior of Filipinos, not looks. But if you use this as an analogy about behaviors as well, I still say there is a difference in Filipino habits and values that make them much worse off that Europeans or Americans… In fact, when I look across the fence, the Europeans and Americans, Thai, Singaporians and Indonesians are less similar in ugali. We’re more similar to the poorer Latin American countries like Ecuador, Nicaragua and Honduras. The Phils is a Latin American country in Asia.
Istura, di kayang baguhin, pero ang ugali, kayang-kayang baguhin. That’s the issue here.
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I feel that your complaints about the behaviour of SOME Filipinos are valid. The key words here are Behaviour and Some. I think that the main problem that some people, including myself, in regard to this article is your generalization of Filipinos. I know that one of the most basic civil liberties we have is our freedom of speech, the freedom to express our thoughts, but as rational human beings (regardless of race of course because your are just so keen on race ;p) I feel it is essential to think before we express our opinions. Now, I know you have thought about this well enough and truly believe in what you wrote, but aside from what we want to express one should be careful on the “HOWs”, since you are one to talk about common courtesy. I personally have experienced some of the situations you found yourself into. Ex. I am grateful that it is not necessary for me to ride the mrt/lrt as a means for regular transportation it was definitely not the most pleasurable experience. Like I said your complaints are valid but not everyone is rude and thoughtless.
You have labelled a whole nation as racist, undisciplined and other defamatory terms when you seem to have a myopic perspective of things. Yes you said that some are indeed good but they are outnumbered by the bad, however I agree with one comment stating that you seem to base your observations on the situation here in metro manila and even then your generalization can not be justified. You say that you find everything is dirty and irritating in the Philippines, have you been on other parts of the country? I find the city of Davao very clean, the people of cebu very friendly. I admire the scenic beauty of coron, palawan.
Let us put things in perspective, I for one enjoy travels to the US, but like in the Philippines there are the nice places and the not so nice ones. There are the clean ones and the not so clean. The same with the other countries I’ve been to and its people. It just seems like you put US and maybe other foreign countries on a pedestal. It has been said that we have inherited this kind of mentality, an inferiority complex, which I feel you have illustrated.
Reading your article I get the impression that you epitomize exactly what your “version” of a Filipino today is. Racism is discrimination based on race. And you my darling discriminates your own race. You have exhibited pure discrimination period. So again, it is essential to reflect on ourselves before passing judgement. I agree there is a problem. I agree that change is necessary. But change must start on one’s self. In short this article is simply hypocritical.
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BongV Reply:
February 25th, 2010 at 2:14 pm
Davao City was not clean before. It took a Rody Duterte – who literally whacked people in the neck, punched a driver, or what have you to get the law enforced – it was not out of pure civic-consciousness. it was done oout of fear – fear of bodily harm, fear of public humiliation – takot mapahiya. If Duterte stuck to being a cutie-patootie, there’s no way he’ll succed. People in Cebu and Davao can be friendly and just as racist against chinese, black people, and indians.
Each place has nice ones and not-so-nice ones – but some places have more nice-ones than the rest. Just like Boracay is nice, until you see the E. coli count.
The concept that discrimination can be based on “race” presupposes the existence of “race” itself. However, the US Government’s Human Genome Project has announced that the most complete mapping of human DNA to date indicates that there is no distinct genetic basis to racial types.[2] Based on this evidence, “racial characteristics” logically cannot exist either, such as group differences in eye color or human hair color.
According to the Human Genome Project, skin color does exist as a matter of science.[2] So, that which is commonly referred to as “racism” could be more scientifically referred to as “skin color-aroused discrimination”. The term “skin color aroused discrimination” has the benefit that it is based on verifiable science, is not based on disproved notions of science, and does not perpetuate a false belief in the disproved concept of biological “race”.[2]
What she discriminates against is boorish behavior, not race.
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HusengBatute Reply:
February 25th, 2010 at 3:08 pm
What she discriminates against is boorish behavior, not race.
Yes, this is also what I understand from the write-up. People say it is “racist” probably because she used the word “Filipinos.” But see, Filipinos are not composed of one race, they have Chinese, Spanish, American, and other so-called “races” all intermingled in there. So it is simply false that race was singled out by the author. Common culture or ethnicity may even be a more accurate trait.”Boorish behavior” is an ethno-cultural thing not a racial thing.
As it turns out, those who say it is racist are the ones who are actually being racist, for automatically assuming “Filipinos” have to fall under some particular racial stereotype.
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Iya Justimbaste Reply:
February 25th, 2010 at 11:16 pm
I don’t really get you people. When other people point out the things that are wrong with your culture, you think that’s racist when in fact, I just presented the obvious you people try to deny. Masyado kasi kayong pusong-mamon. I will not apologize for merely stating the truth.
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ChinoF Reply:
February 26th, 2010 at 3:30 am
Better read my comments above, and get a better idea about what we really think. Filipino bad habits are so LOUD, and the good people are so TAHIMIK, that it’s easier to make the conclusion that most Filipinos are bad. And Iya is talking about just the bad Filipinos. Well-behaved Filipinos know who they are.
Those who say we AP writers here are racists… you really don’t get the point. >:-(
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to some extent the author`s opinion has some factual basis, but her generalization the “filipino are rude” are incomprehensible. Thus, following the author’ flow of logic then i can also say that American ( which the author preference belong) are hypocrit. and perhaps the author was already “Americanized”.
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BenK Reply:
February 25th, 2010 at 9:36 pm
“Thus, following the author’ flow of logic then i can also say that American ( which the author preference belong) are hypocrit.”
Thus, your comment makes no damn sense whatsoever and is a total non sequitur. Care to try diagramming the “flow of logic,” as you see it?
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ChinoF Reply:
February 26th, 2010 at 4:42 am
So if we say a general opinion about a certain group, for example, “all rapists are jerks,” or “all cheaters are wrong,” we are racist, is that it? But look at the essential meaning of what we say.
Is Americanization necessarily wrong or detrimental?
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killem Reply:
February 26th, 2010 at 9:10 am
It’s not detrimental when you are an American,
So if we say a general opinion about a certain group, for example, “all rapists are jerks,” or “all cheaters are wrong,” we are racist, is that it? But look at the essential meaning of what we say.
racism
1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race
your porposition is not based race so technically your a not a racist =)
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ChinoF Reply:
February 27th, 2010 at 9:49 am
Good definition.
First: Now based on the first definition, when Filipinos think that they’re better than other countries, what are they? Masmagaling kami sa Amerikano, masmahusay kami sa Japanese, masmababait kami, masmabubuti kami. We’re better than them. OK, this is racism.
Second: Is Filipino a race? No, Filipino is a nationality. Technically, we are a mix of different races. Malay, Caucasian, Asian. People say “Filipino race” just for rhetoric’s sake, but it is technically wrong.
So is calling Filipinos rude racist?
Absolutely not, based on the definition you provided.
jethernandez Reply:
February 26th, 2010 at 5:38 am
how many classical theorists use sweeping generalization to stress their hypotheses?
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DO NOT DISCRIMINATE FILIPINOS FOR WHAT THEY ARE …. leave them to their own devises … GOOT FOR MY FOREX ……..
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I don’t think Filipino are naturally rude.
It is a function of ignorance or maybe lack of understanding, or lack of leadership/law enforcement.
ON TRAFFIC RULES:
If people needed to get their license through the right way, without fixers…they would be forced to learn the traffic rules. They will understand right of way and signs like STOP.
If law enforcement agencies enforce the rules, then people will learn what the proper road/traffic etiquettes are. Back in the day, Davaoenoes would never cross the street unless it’s in a pedestrian lane because they know a “hapsay dalan” will come and pick them up. You wouldn’t dare go straight past a stop sign in Subic, wouldn’t you?
Dont get me wrong, I hate those drivers who don’t know traffic rules and are rude and abuse their horns. But they just don’t know any better. Its not that they are rude per se. It’s just how it seems to be. It’s just how it “normally” is. But try being strict about acquisition of professional drivers license and be strict about law enforcement… then you will see drivers yielding and obeying the rules.
How about does arrows in the MRT, or etiquette on people letting people off before they get on. Was there any attempt to inform the masa about this etiquette when the LRT/MRT was new?
While the author may have real/valid observations. The way it was written has “hilas” all over it… I’ve been around and each country have their own sets of rude people. I do not wish to generalize the Filipino people as rude.
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BongV Reply:
February 27th, 2010 at 8:28 am
janine:
i’ll have to disagree – go to f. torres street in davao – where the food shops proliferate – pedestrian traffic is pandemonium, same in SM ecoland, Victoria Mall in bajada – hapsay dalan is slacking off because rody is getting old and can no longer do his dirty harry chief of police thingie… not to mention that as mayor.. he’s doing someone else’s job.
its just how it seems to be – how it normally is… yup.. it seems like… rude… quacks like… walks like.. talks like… normally… like… rude.
drivers can yield and obey and be just as rude – road rage anyone? seen the taxi driver (holiday taxi, etc) weaving in and out of traffic like a snake, tailgating such that his front bumper is just a feet away from your rear bumper – at 60kph?
the politicians with their entourage and wang wangs.. that’s rude..
people who tell the jeepney driver right in the middle of the road – that’s rude;
jeepney drivers who drop their passengers anywhere they please.. that’s rude.
the jeepney drivers who crowd the intersection of maa and juna, infront of NCCC – everyone is loading and unloading passengers with impunity – that’s rude and it slows down and obstructs traffic
same scene in butuan, cagayan, zambanga, gen san, midsayap, misamis, guingoog, surigao, tandag, maco, mabini, cateel, tacurong… cebu.. mandaue.. guimaras.. boracay.. naga… lingayen,, batac.. bacnotan.. cavite… rude.. rude.. rude..
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YOU wrote: “I don’t really get you people. When other people point out the things that are wrong with your culture, you think that’s racist when in fact, I just presented the obvious you people try to deny. Masyado kasi kayong pusong-mamon. I will not apologize for merely stating the truth.”
You will never get some of these people because they have a point. You don’t. Just like in our class when you were my student–where you once cried and was nearly in tantrums–you are now hitting at almost everything except your self-centered personality and weak logic.
As you said: “I will not apologize for merely stating the truth.” Someone has to put you in your place.
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Velcrohair Reply:
February 27th, 2010 at 3:59 am
Wow, what a stupid way to argue: use an ARGUMENTUM AD HOMINEM.
Montemar, doon ka na sa Bataan dyan sa Montemar Resort, parang di yata kaya ng weak brain mo paano mag-rebuttal na matino. Tsk tsk tsk.
Are you really a professor? You sound like an effin’ loser to me. Dapat kasi kung kokontra ka sa writer ng article mag-present ka ng counter-evidence. Hit the logic (if there are flaws) or the facts mentioned (if there are inaccuracies). Alas, there are none. And that’s why you resort to insulting Iya the way you do, kasi wala ka nga talagang punto.
You simply don’t like the fact that Iya is telling the truth and you can’t issue a proper rebuttal.
Looks like the student (Iya) has beaten the hell out of her loser prof (you) which is why you’re insulting her the way you have.
Louie Montemar naman, kakalat ang pangalan mo bilang LOSER-PROF. Di nakahirit ng tama kaya nanginsulto na lang. Tsk tsk tsk.
L for Louie?
Or
L for LOSER?
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BenK Reply:
February 27th, 2010 at 5:12 am
You are providing everyone a fantastic example of just the sort of Pinoy rudeness we’ve been talking about, professor. As a teacher, your apparent ignorance of effective argument techniques — resorting to an ad hominem as somebody already beat me to it in pointing out — and the utter lack of professional decorum you demonstrate by taking on a student (former or otherwise) at a personal level in a public forum is frankly breathtaking. We should make a poster of you and replace this entire blog entry with that picture; it would make the point just as well.
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Maia Reply:
February 27th, 2010 at 5:42 am
DOUCHEBAG ALERT.
See, this is the uglier side of professors that really pisses me off. Attacking students whether blatantly or using subtler means is a glaring lack of professionalism and it takes away a lot of fun in learning. People like you don’t deserve that title. What you’re teaching is baseless, classless, tasteless and downright STUPID.
I might have to use you in a joke.
“So a douchebag walks into a bar…”
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BongV Reply:
February 27th, 2010 at 5:43 am
Montemar,
Its your turn to sit in class.
Iya ought to get a refund from your class – you are teaching jack sh*t.
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Filo Reply:
February 27th, 2010 at 5:58 am
How does it feel when your own student puts you in your place, Mr. Montemar?
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Carlito's Way Reply:
February 27th, 2010 at 6:36 am
Montemar, looks like so many people put you in your place. Hahaha!
Ano, balik ka na ba sa Montemar Beach Club?
Montemar, is this you? Did a simple google search on the name and this came up:
http://photos1.blogger.com/img/70/1525/640/Image034.jpg
the short ugly guy with the bottle of C2? The others look like students, and I’m guessing you’re the oldest one in the group.
Maybe now you’re regretting having insulted your own student who seems to have surpassed you…
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BongV Reply:
February 27th, 2010 at 8:05 am
the reyna elena look-alike? dang… even the similarity in the PoV is uncanny
Montemar if all you teach you students is to use ad hominems you are doing your students and the school a disservice.
here’s a clifford note on how to rebut
intiendes? naintindihan mo? you get what am saying? nakasabot ka?
kaya naman pala dumadami ang gunggong sa pilipinas – dahil sa mga gurong gunggong na tulad mo – Montemar. you are part of the problem dumb*ass.
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Hsing Tao Reply:
February 27th, 2010 at 8:42 am
Aba eh tingnan mo nga naman. Pinepersonal niya ang estudyante niya pero mabuti naman at hindi siya sinasabihan ng bansot na duwende di ba?
Baka siya yung isa sa mga kinakausap ni JUDGE FLORO.
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ChinoF Reply:
February 27th, 2010 at 9:40 am
You are also being put into your place, Mr. Montemar. Here is Iya talking about something that is one of the most accurate explanations about the country, and here you personally attack her. You seem to be a biased professor. Tell us, how does Iya become a racist? You probably say that your students should listen to you and your logic only. In that case you’re worse than a racist. You’re a dictator. You are without decorum and are very personal with your treatment of students. You are unprofessional… and unprofessorial. The world has no needs for the likes of you. The school you teach in deserves better professors.
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Artemio Reply:
February 27th, 2010 at 9:43 am
I could excuse you for being short in stature and ugly since it’s not your fault being born that way, but being short in terms of your reasoning faculties and logic skills, and even in your behavior, being especially a professor, is just downright disappointing.
Grow-up and I don’t mean it in a physical sense!
And, here’s your grade Mr Louie Montemar —> FAIL!
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Mikee Manlapaz Reply:
February 27th, 2010 at 9:53 am
Nakakaawa itong Louie na to. PROF NG DLSU tapos ganyan ang reasoning? Diyos ko! Ni isang logic nga wala syang naibato sa Iya na yan tapos kung makapanglait akala mo kung sino? Sinearch ko sa Facebook and VOILA! nakakadisturb ang pagmumukha.
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Hi Mr. Montemar!
I didn’t know that it’s now a-OK to bring up a person’s past. The funny thing is, you never really mentioned anything about what I said. You didn’t quote anything I’ve said. Instead on attacking me personally, which you’re good at, why don’t you present decent rebuttals?
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BongV Reply:
February 27th, 2010 at 8:33 am
you go girl.
hey montemar, bring your dumb*ass over here – and learn to answer like a man.
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Hsing Tao Reply:
February 27th, 2010 at 8:38 am
You go girl! Ang tapang ni Iya hangang hanga ako dahil hindi siya natatakot sagot-sagotin ang bobong propesor na yan. Kaya pala ang baba ng rankings ng Philippine schools kahit UP, DLSU at Ateneo dahil ang mga propesor ay ganyan ang kalidad.
Mabuti na lang ako ay graduate ng University of Angkong Lim’s tindahan ng relos at radyo sa Binondo. Mas effective pa.
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PUCHA! prof ba ito? binanggit pa pati ang pag iyak mo sa class. How classy. Nakakahiya ka Louie Montemar! Dapat sa yo ay tinatanggal sa pagkaka prof! Naku, someone ought to report you and your behavior sa unibersidad kung saan ka nagtuturo. Palibhasa kasi, wala kang maisip na magandang rebuttal.
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Hsing Tao Reply:
February 27th, 2010 at 8:40 am
Nakakahiya yang si Louie Montemar, walang kuwentang propesor yan. Ireport dapat yan sa unibersidad. Students cry in class pero hindi mo dapat maliitin yun because its part of a learning process and part of being human. Dapat magturo ka at hindi yung pati pag iyak ng isang tao gagamitin mo laban sa kanya.
Hindi ka karapat dapat maging propesor. ISA KANG SAKIM! Isa kang Kup Xiao!
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Wala itong propesor na ito Gago ito. Ang mga tunay na magagaling na propesor nangangatwiran. Ang estudyante ay may karapatang magkamali at kaya sila naging mga Propesor ay para itama ang mga estudyante nila at hindi bigla na lang hihirit ng insulto nang hindi man lang nagsasabi ng katwiran o leksiyon.
Palpak ang propesor na yan. Wala naman yan nai-cocontribute sa mundong ito kundi pagtuturo ng mga kung ano anong boladas. Sayang lang ang tuition ni Iya diyan. Soli pera!
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Yun lang ang naisagot ni Montemar? Na umiyak daw si Iya? Eh maiiyak ka naman talaga sa mga klase ni Montemar sa kakornihan ng mga sinasabi niya eh.
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BongV Reply:
February 27th, 2010 at 12:12 pm
HAHAHAHA… Dang… It Figures… Hataw Dude!!
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Filipinos Don’t Know How to Fall In Line and Yield to Right Way
The picture shows the same scenario in elevators where everyone is jacking for position to enter first thereby blocking the passengers to disembark. In many instances, I suggest to the crowd to clear the way or stay by the sidelines for passengers to pass; the response, deadma.
This same undisciplined behavior is exhibited in airplanes. In spite of crew’s announcement to remain seated till the plane fully stops, majority rushes up to reach for their overhead luggage. They remain standing with their bulky bags in the narrow aisle (the reason I always choose window-seat).
Or my experience in boats where it’s still about 10-20 mins away from the port, majority is scampering to get their oversized luggage/cargoes. While remained seated, I can feel the boat tilt to one side because passengers are all crowding by the exit door. Only to find out later on that the boat will be parked on the other side. Another commotion takes place.
I find it hard to digest why majority want to be the first in the line when everyone will actually have their turn to pass. Does this occur in other nationalities?
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Kahlil Reply:
February 27th, 2010 at 10:05 am
hey jonphil
from what i’ve seen in singapore, there are lines on the platform floor by the train door to show would-be passengers where they should stand-by and wait. people tend to stand behind these lines. there are posters too all over the station to remind people to let passengers get off the train first before getting on it themselves. in hong kong, i can’t remember if there was something like this but what i remember is that it wasn’t as chaotic as it is in manila now. here in dubai, the metro is still new that people tend to crowd by the doors. there are no guides or reminders similar to singapore’s trains.
a few years back, i’ve seen transport authorities whack people in the back with a stick if people became rowdy getting on a bus. i don’t see that happening now though since the RTA (road and transport authority) added more buses.
i don’t think it’s down to people alone. i think it also comes with the environment that doesn’t encourage people to behave.
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I found the link to this article in fb. I don’t want to say my name because of my fear that Mr. Montemar would resort to attacking me personally.
Anyway, here goes nothing:
Louie Montemar is a very very rude person. He is the epitome of a lousy professor. Not only does he use bad words in class, he also can’t accept that fact that despite his PH.D, he can’t reason out well. When I had him as a prof, I was really disappointed because as a student who pays around 50k a trimester(we are not very rich), you expect your money not to go to waste. Also, I have no idea where this guy gets our grade. Nanghuhula siya ng grade! Some students also expressed their disappointment over Mr. Montemar like me.
I am glad that Iya was able to voice out her concerns. We can’t. we’re afraid of people hitting us personally, like Mr. Louie Montemar.
If I were you Mr. Montemar, I would just resign from dlsu. You don’t deserve the salary you’re getting. WALA KAMING NATUTUNAN SA IYO.
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Artemio Reply:
February 27th, 2010 at 11:44 am
I remember we had a co-employee who has a PhD and who, in spite of this “credential,” could NOT really perform and think “outside the box” or outside the system we had to fire him. People like him are just “icon clads.” He went back to teaching btw.
Professors should, instead, commend and encourage students who exhibit independent and passionate thinking. We need more people who have the guts to stand-up and question the system.
People in this case would rather identify with the student rather than with the professor. We are not in the Dark Ages of the Inquisition anymore.
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Ma Xianding Reply:
February 27th, 2010 at 12:30 pm
Reminded me of the business professor who criticized Donald Trump on the way he does business. The Donald, not having too much time to rebut simply said: So how much does he make and how much do I make? BOINK went the professor.
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Renato Pacifico Reply:
February 27th, 2010 at 5:17 pm
Is Prof Montemar from Idyllic land Bantayan Island? He is my cousin! Well, since this is a free-country you can say whatever you want to say to my cousin ….
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Hsing Tao Reply:
February 27th, 2010 at 5:26 pm
Does it have to be in goot enlgischtes?
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Renato Pacifico Reply:
February 27th, 2010 at 5:50 pm
Hsing Tao, allow me to educate you about “englsichtzes”. When my OFW parents, awash in greenbacks, sent me to school in the land of Americans I hanged out with Filipinos. And these Filipinos when they talk to REAL AMERICANS and the REAL AMERICANS cannot understand them the Filipinos always say this, “ilang bisis ko na siya sinabihan hindi pa rin maka-intiende, BOBO!”.
Those Filipinos I hanged out with are straight “A” students, my same caliber. So, they are saying that the REAL AMERICANS should understand their intonation, inflection, nuances, etcetera …. SO, LOGICALLY, THEY ARE SAYING THAT FILIPINOS HAS THE PERFECT ENGLISH. So, therefore, again, logically speaking I have the right to mangle the english into englischtzes because Flippers is the original speakers of English.
Oh, those, straight “A” classmates of mine in Ivy – league school in Harvard? I called them straight “A”s because when they talkingish in englsichtzes they always says “aaaah” “aaaah” and when they wright it is the usual beating around the bush and plenty of redundancies. Ohhhh, they are fund of using high-falluting deepsounding englischtzes as if it makes them HIGH-IQ!
They can fool Filipinos but they cannot fool me …
IT IS EASIER TO TEACH AN OLD DOG NEW TRICKS THAN FILIPINO OLD TRICKS — Renato Pacifico copyrighted
Renato Pacifico Reply:
February 27th, 2010 at 5:53 pm
Tsing TSao, DO YOU KNOW WHO SPEAKS GOOT ENGISCHTZES? The Philippine houseslaves, prostitutes who marry to a foreigner. Because they speak by ear. They pronounce by ear. That is why the prosittutes houselsaves married to foreigner speak like foreigners.
The educated Filipinos do not speak as goot as them beause educated Filipinos are so conscious of their englischtzes usage. They are straight “A”s ….. meaning plenty of “aaaah” “aaaah” and “you know”s
Filipinos are themostest highly critical of englichtzes usage ….. I AM MORE COMFORTABLE TALKING TO REAL AMERICANS THAN FAKE AMERICANS
Pasensiya ka na kung sino ka mang walang natutunan. Obviuously, mahina ka, mahina ka nga sa detalye o… dahil di mo nga alam na wala pa akong PhD degree. Obviously, lahat ng hirit mo general kasi wala ka ngang masabing totoo. Baka nga imbento ka lang gaya ng ilang writers sa anti-Noynoy site na ito.
Para sa inyong lahat. salamat! Na-inspire lang ako lalo na wag nang basta magpasa ng mga istudyanteng gaya nito na di marunong kumilala ng sarili niya.
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Hsing Tao Reply:
February 27th, 2010 at 5:13 pm
Ang mga article niya ay walang kinalaman sa “pagkakakilala sa sarili niya” kundi mga topic yan na puwedeng pangatwiranan. Puro ka pag label sa tao ng hindi mo naman ine-explain ang mga sinasabi mo. Ginagamit mo lang ang pagka propesor mo as a power trip, as an ego trip. Para manapak ng mga bata sa iyo na sa tingin mo walang kalaban laban at kayang kaya mo tirisin.
Akala mo porket propesor ka, lahat ng sasabihin mo mabigat na at dahil may kapangyarihan kang magpasa o mambagsak ng mga estudyante ay gagamitin mo na ito para bale-walain ang opinyon nila at karapatan nilang makipag dikurso sa iyo. Mangatwiran ka at hindi yung “oh wow ha, propesor ako therefore mali ka at dapat kang bumagsak”. Walang kuwenta to.
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HusengBatute Reply:
February 27th, 2010 at 5:51 pm
I’m just curious. If you are truly her ex-prof, and hated her so, why do you still keep on stalking or harassing her?
It just strikes me as rather too personal and unprofessional.
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Ray Rodrgiguez Reply:
February 27th, 2010 at 6:19 pm
This Montemar guy wants to just barge in here thinking his being a professor is enough weight to “crush” Iya’s opinions. He refers to Iya as “my student” and makes references to passing or failing students. Like Tsing Tao said, it is a power trip. He thinks that his title can be used as a big stick to knock the head of anyone whose honest and forthright opinions displease him. Well, professors have to realize that outside their own little fantasy world called the classroom where they can act like the queens of sheba, that big stick is made of foam and hitting people with it will only get them hit back.
Iya is a very talented writer and awesome radio show host. She definitely has a bright future ahead of her, thanks to her teachers, but Montemar will be one of the exceptions to that.
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BongV Reply:
February 27th, 2010 at 6:47 pm
Montemar, you’ll make a good example of stupdity in the classroom. How one rotten tomato spoils the entire bunch.
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BongV Reply:
February 27th, 2010 at 7:08 pm
On the contrary, kilalang kilala nya ang sarili niya, kilalang kilala nya ang ugali ng mga kabayan niya.
Ba’t mo naman itatago yun? Di kaya’t you are in denial. E paano mo talaga makikilala ang sarili mo kung in denial ka? Kilala mo nga ba talaga ang sarili? Baka namang kilala mo talaga ang sarili mo ngunit hindi mo matanggap ang iyong pagkatao kung kaya’t kapag merong nababasa ka ng buong buo, tulad ni iya, ay sinasara mo – dahil takot kang harapin ang katotohanan. Ikaw ay nakatago sa ilalim ng mga kasinungalingang pati ikaw ay pinapaniwalaan na rin.
Ilagay mo ang notes mo dito, at pag-usapan natin dito ng patas – walang estudyante at propesor. Mano a mano.
Iya, ilagay mo yung notes ni Montemar dito, pag-usapan natin.
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Ray Rodriguez Reply:
February 27th, 2010 at 7:29 pm
Maski ako may nakikitang mga mali sa mga ibang articles ni Iya but I will not say she is wrong because I have been in this world longer than her and worked at siya fresh grad lang. Ganun ang ginagawa ng propesor na ito.
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A student of Prof. Louie Montemar Reply:
February 27th, 2010 at 8:44 pm
Wala po kaming natutunan dahil sa class, puro po kayo rants against GMA. Lagi pang may kasamang mura. Nakakahiya po ang ugali ninyo.
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bp Reply:
February 27th, 2010 at 8:56 pm
i think the professor is missing a big point here. iya is engaging in critical thinking. as a professor mr. montemayor should even encourage that. seems to me his aim is to do the opposite.
i, for one, would expect teachers to set the example especially in this area. they should teach students to question things, to form their own conclusions, and to really explore.
for him to pull rank — no matter if done in a subtle manner — is just another way of saying that “i’m the professor. you’re the student. shut up and listen to me.”
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BenK Reply:
February 27th, 2010 at 10:04 pm
Honestly, none of what you’ve said is worth responding to by anyone with an IQ higher than their shoe size, but I’ve got a few moments to waste, and you are fascinating in a violent-train-wreck sort of way, so I have to ask:
Is that shovel you keep using to dig a bigger hole for yourself here glued to your hands, or are you just too stupid or too yabang to let go it of it?
I’d guess a little bit of both; anyone who teaches political courses and supports Erap at the same time is a walking contradiction. I’m surprised your head doesn’t explode, mine almost did just trying to understand it. That’s like teaching medical students surgical techniques using a sharp stick and a cigarette lighter. But it explains a lot about how you are completely clueless as to the techniques of…well, making any sort of point whatsoever, and just generally handling yourself in a way that does not bring discredit to your profession or associations with your colleagues.
If I were Iya, I’d have considered it an honor to flunk your course, because intellectual validation from someone like you wouldn’t make the grade sheet worth wiping my ass with.
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Sa America, pag bagsak ang bobo na istudyante … ang propesor at fault. BECAUSE ACCORDING TO AMERICAN PREMISE …. ALL PEOPLE ARE INTELLIGENT … IT IS THE MESSENGER AT FAULT NOT KNOWING HOW TO DELIVER THE KNOWLEDGE ….
So, in Philippine setting, why are Flippards so ignoarant of facts and rule-of-law? BECAUSE OF IDYOT PERYODISTAS!!!!!
IT IS UNFORTUNATE THE IDYOT PERYODISTAS ARE FILIPINOS THEREFORE FILIPINOS DESERVE THE NEWS ….. HA!HA!HA!HA!HA! LOGIC! LOGIC! LOGIC!!!!!!! NON-NEGOTIABLE!!!!!!!!
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Hsing Tao, you wrote: “Ang mga article niya ay walang kinalaman sa “pagkakakilala sa sarili niya” kundi mga topic yan na puwedeng pangatwiranan. Puro ka pag label sa tao ng hindi mo naman ine-explain ang mga sinasabi mo. Ginagamit mo lang ang pagka propesor mo as a power trip, as an ego trip. Para manapak ng mga bata sa iyo na sa tingin mo walang kalaban laban at kayang kaya mo tirisin.
Akala mo porket propesor ka, lahat ng sasabihin mo mabigat na at dahil may kapangyarihan kang magpasa o mambagsak ng mga estudyante ay gagamitin mo na ito para bale-walain ang opinyon nila at karapatan nilang makipag dikurso sa iyo. Mangatwiran ka at hindi yung “oh wow ha, propesor ako therefore mali ka at dapat kang bumagsak”. Walang kuwenta to.”
Iya was not my only student. You should ask my other students what kind of a teacher-friend I really am and why “power tripping” is not my cup of tea. On the contrary, I’d say students like Iya here are the ones who power tripped on me by giving me a lot of lame excuses as to why they can’t do their work on time or why they can’t be sent to particular kinds of field work. You should get to know her personally and me too. Hsing Tao, I am a very real person and a very transparent one. You are welcome to read (even attack) my FB Notes. I am not one to just label people (who are really people, unlike some ‘fake’ personalities here who cant even give their REAL FIRST NAMES). My Notes are my way to extend my classroom and perhaps they could explain to you where I am coming from. If by any means I offend you or others here, I am truly sorry. But I will not say sorry to one who writes: “I will not apologize for merely stating the truth.”
“Pagkakakilala sa sarili niya” has everything to do with her articles here which dare ‘labels’ ALL FILIPINOS because, at least nominally, she is Filipino — o tingin ba niya siya lang ang magaling na Pinoy? I just dared to give her a dose of her own medicine by writing my purposely abrasive comment. Now I smile a bitter-sweet smile as I pore over the responses to my dare… call it a social experiment gone a bit awry…
I wouldn’t have seen (or dare read) this article if she didn’t post this as a reply to one of my FB notes which extols Filipino virtues.
As expected, I got all these insults. But all this ‘sama ng loob’ is worth it. This for me is a good reminder that I shouldn’t just dip my proverbial fingers on certain things. Or “power trip” as you more eloquently put it.
Pacem.
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BongV Reply:
February 27th, 2010 at 6:55 pm
Iya’s work in class has got nothing to do with what she wrote in this article. That’s a red herring.
The main sections are:
1 – Filipinos are rude,
2 – Filipinos Don’t Know How to Fall In Line and Yield to Right Way
3 – Filipinos are Racist
You can reply
1-1 Yes, Filipinos are rude. (substantiate)
1-2 No, Filipinos are not rude. (substantiate)
2-1 – Yes, Filipinos Don’t Know How to Fall In Line and Don’t Yield to Right Way (substantiate)
2-2 – No, Filipinos Know How to Fall In Line and Know How to Yield to Right Way (substantiate)
3 1- Yes, Filipinos are Racist (substantiate)
3 1- No, Filipinos are Not Racist (substantiate)
Napakasimpleng bagay, di mo masagot kung saan saan ka umiikot. Para kang camfufot.
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Ray Rodriguez Reply:
February 27th, 2010 at 7:24 pm
Mr. Montemar, kaya nga minsan mas OK pa gumawa ng pseudonym dahil mas objective ang nagiging evaluation sa mga nasusulat kaysa sa magpakilala ang tao and open herself to ad hominems or attacks personal in nature.
Gaya na lang ng pagiging subjective ninyo kay Iya. Sabihin po natin na hindi siya ang nagsulat niyan kundi isang Hapon, eh di iba nanaman ang sasabihin mo? At iba rin kapag bumbay, amerikano or taga Atlantis ang nagsulat niyan?
Sa tingin ko po personal ang inyong ginagawang pagtira kay Iya. Why attack the author instead of the subject? I think you are blinded by hate and emotion.
Totoo po na ang Pilipino lacking in courtesy. Di ba ang reputasyon nga ng Pinoy ay “Filipino Time” meaning hindi sumusunod sa appointments. Of course the term “Filipino” in Iya’s context is a generalization and it is implied that it is by default. Alam ng mga mambabasa yun dahil imposible naman na among 90 million Pinoys ay walang magagalang at maginoo. In general lang yun dahil nga walang kaayusan.
Sa Amerika kapag kumain ka sa fast food ay magliligpit ka ng pinagkanan mo. Kapag may tumatawid, hihinto ka hanggang makatawid ang pedestrian. Sa intersections, bigayan ang mga driver. Sa bus, ang mga upuan malapit sa pinto ay para sa matatanda at disabled at talagang tititigan ka ng masama kapag di ka tumayo at paupuin sila doon kapag sumakay sila. Sa Japan at Germany subukan mo ma late, ewan ko na lang. Totoo ang mga sinasabi ni Iya. Hindi mo dapat atakihin ang author and establish a “hierarchy” between you and relive your past power over her. Just attack the topic and the people will respond to you with proper discourses.
Professor kayo Mr. Montamar. Kahit saang lugar at oras nakakabit sa inyo ang title na yan. You may be a good professor in the classroom pero labas na ito. As soon as you step out of the classroom you leave your crown and scepter behind.
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A student of Prof. Louie Montemar Reply:
February 27th, 2010 at 8:47 pm
Wala pa rin point na ni-raise si Prof Louie. Tsk tsk. Puro personal attacks. Ni isang sentence na “Filipinos are not rude because….” WALA EH. Hay nako, we are wasting our precious time on this dwarf.
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Iya Justimbaste Reply:
February 27th, 2010 at 9:09 pm
Actually, it’s true that you were a professor/friend kind of guy….but only to the people who agree with you on certain things. The ones who didn’t dare go against your principles. See, you are not objective.
You had the chance to fail me but you didn’t. You failed some of my classmates. Had you thought you should have failed me, I wouldn’t have gotten a “pasang-awa” grade. My grade from you isn’t a “pasang-awa grade”
This is your 3rd reply but still, you haven’t offered a smart rebuttal…
We are waiting Mr. Montemar
waiting…
waiting…
waiting…
And those things that happened in class like me crying? It’s because my two groupmates were so irresponsible and they were putting words in my mouth. BTW, do you not think that’s really improper for you to say those things?
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Ray Rodriguez Reply:
February 27th, 2010 at 9:27 pm
You crying, what happened in class or anything of that nature are irrelevant to the discussion anyway. People clicked on your article came to discuss about the topic.
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ChinoF Reply:
February 28th, 2010 at 12:53 am
Unfortunately, Mr. Montemar came not to discuss the topic, but to insult Iya. That is also irrelevant to the topic. But why is he here?
BongV Reply:
February 28th, 2010 at 12:59 am
he tolerated bullying? WTF? why is he still teaching in DLSU?
montemar, next time, when you use a hand grenade, pull the pin
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Parallax Reply:
March 1st, 2010 at 6:31 am
maybe it’s time mr. montemar cherished his job like never before by imagining how close he is to losing it.
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Dr. José Rizal II Reply:
February 27th, 2010 at 11:20 pm
Montemar, you know jack sh1t about Latin, kid. You should use the nominative case with “Peace”, and thus it should be “PAX.”
It’s when it’s the direct object that you should use the accusative case “Pacem” as in “Dona nobis pacem.” (Grant us peace)
Now, the fact is, Montemar, Iya has written something that is very true about a majority of Filipinos: people don’t follow proper etiquette and decorum. Notice how messy and dirty the surroundings are of Filipinos? It’s “bastos” and it shows lack of respect for society and for others.
Your biggest problem is your inability to come up with intelligent rebuttals to whatever Iya says. As a teacher, you’re supposed to ensure that your students think logically and objectively. They’re not supposed to side with you just because you say so or because not siding with you means you’ll fail them. You should, instead, make sure that your views are ALWAYS OBJECTIVE AND LOGICAL and then you also teach your students to be objective and logical so that their views end up being like yours.
Rumor has it that you were an Erap supporter, Montemar. What does that speak of your integrity? Down the tubes, I’d say.
You’re supposed to have been a political science expert, but then, why did you go for a loser and an idiot? Just shows that you’re a loser and an idiot too. And that was fortified by the ad hominem you hurled at Iya simply because your lack of brain cells meant that you simply are unable to come up with an intelligent response.
Do you think you’ll come out of this exercise unscathed? I doubt it. I think you’ve lost your credibility as a teacher and are soon going to lose your stripes as a teacher in DLSU. It’s a sad way to throw away your career, but then again, it seems like you’ve been teaching bull-sh1t and hogwash the entire time anyway.
You’re not even the slightest bit apologetic about your appalling behavior.
Anyway, I will make sure you never get to teach anywhere. I guess I’m doing you a favor because that means you concentrate on being a paid hack and a brown-noser to some loser politician or cause that can pay you for your pang-gimmick.
Kiss your career goodbye, Montemar…
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“there are posters too all over the station to remind people to let passengers get off the train first before getting on it themselves. . . a few years back, i’ve seen transport authorities whack people in the back with a stick if people became rowdy getting on a bus.”
Thanks for info, kahlil. We can adapt those posters in vehicle/elevator doors: GIVE WAY TO PASSENGERS GOING OUT OR GET FLAGGED
“Reminded me of the business professor who criticized Donald Trump on the way he does business. The Donald, not having too much time to rebut simply said: So how much does he make and how much do I make?”
How much one makes is not a basis how good a biz principle may be. One who does things immorally and illegally earns more than one who does otherwise.
Many of us have bigger salaries than that of a senator or congressman. But their annual ‘take home’ pay amounts to 10s of millions of peoples-money.
“Na-inspire lang ako lalo na wag nang basta magpasa ng mga istudyanteng gaya nito na di marunong kumilala ng sarili niya. . . my FB notes which extols Filipino virtues”
Whatta basis?!?! Reeks with subjectivism & bias.
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In my OJT, Mr Montemar was my adviser. Part of my OJT is going to the rally against CHACHA and the passage of the Carp Bill.
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BenK Reply:
February 27th, 2010 at 11:38 pm
Wait, what? This douche actually counted attending a rally as a practicum? WTF?
What a retard. Hey Loser, OJT means On the JOB Training. Since when is going to a rally a job? Not to mention that your using your position to EXTORT students to attend a rally — and place themselves at risk of arrest or injury, potentially — on a subject they might not necessarily agree with. Fine if they do, but even for them, it’s a matter of personal choice. What next, you going to start threatening to fail students if they don’t vote the way you tell them to?
You’re not just a lousy teacher who has no concept of what education means, you’re a complete asshole. I hope some of the people above who’ve threatened to ruin that sorry excuse you call a career follow through on it — you are a menace to society.
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BongV Reply:
February 27th, 2010 at 11:42 pm
Is that a policy of the school? Was there a signed parent’s consent to attend the rally? Nakupow kung nasa US yan, tapos ang career nya.
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ChinoF Reply:
February 27th, 2010 at 11:51 pm
Now that’s what you call BIASED teaching (wait, that’s not even teaching. That’s exploitation of students). And with that anti-CARP/Chacha, it’s obvious on whose side he’s on. Clearly, polarizing a student to take on your side of an issue is not teaching. It’s manipulation. Too bad Mr. Montemar is not the only teacher of his kind here.
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NEWS FLASH!
A former political science student told me that once, he wrote something about filipinos being lazy hence, they are poor. Consequently, Montemar got angry with him. teehee!
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ChinoF Reply:
February 28th, 2010 at 12:30 am
Mr. Montemar, you are an ethnocentrist. You want to extol virtues of Filipinos, but want to cover up their faults. BIASED is an undoubtedly appropriate word for you. We get better lessons from this blog site than from you.
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This is a simple site where one writes something and then people reply ON THAT.
To try justifying one’s point that a former student is stupid and/or illogical because she cried in class is one of the most distasteful things I have ever seen. Whether or not Filipinos are racist and undisciplined.
One never talks publicly about the classroom ABOUT the classroom. Especially personal things that transpire in the classroom. All professors should know that.
To bring that up very randomly is an indirect admission of one’s intellectual incompetency.
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Hsing Tao Reply:
February 28th, 2010 at 11:58 pm
This is very correct. Kahit isang logical rebuttal kay Iya walang nasabi si PROFESSOR montemar. Gaya nga ng nasabi, he carries that title anytime and anywhere. Ang expectation sa kanya mas mataas because he is an educator. He should not be lazy to explain even painstakingly why he thinks Iya’s views were wrong and invite intellectual discussions. Hindi yung “kasi noong studyante kita umiyak ka”… that is not relevant at all. Kahit umiyak, tumawa o umutot pa si Iya sa klase niya wala na akong pakialam doon dahil ang article lang ang aking interes sa pag click dito at yun ang dapat pag usapan. Mas nabilib pa ako if he opposed Iya’s views worthy of his title. May insecurity yan sa buhay. He has to assert authority even imagined to satisfy a stressor. Napoleonic complex kaya?
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Sorry for the type in my previous message–
ERRATUM:
“intellectual incompetence”
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Iya – Neo
Mr. Montemar – Agent Smith
Welcome to the MATRIX!!!!
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To Mr. Louie Montemar, with all due respect sir, please stop being close-minded with this issue. Although it hurts to hear such negative feedbacks from a fellow Filipino, we cannot deny the fact that indeed these things hold true. As I have found out Mr. Montemar, you’re not only a DLSU prof, you’re also a UP alumnus, and a Mascian, but these things don’t show, with the way you react to Ms. Iya’s post. I am a Mascian myself, but still I admire Ms. Iya’s courage to look at the negative ways of our nation. Let’s face it, what we Filipinos lack is discipline. We indulge too much in respecting others but we fail to find discipline in ourselves.
So please, Mr. Montemar, if you’re going to react, let it be in an intellectual manner and not just personal attacks. If you find this article, and this site for that matter, insulting, then refrain from going to this page again. We Mascians are taught to be open-minded in all things so please, live up to the name
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I going to be as objective as I can be about this post. But first, I will vouch for Mr. Montemar as an exceptional professor. We too have our own debates, many of which I disagree but I play in a more respectful manner. Uunahan ko na, I am not a fucking teacher’s pet. In fact, I am pretty much the opposite. I tend to ask authority when authority seems to not fit. Even Mr. Montemar (if he asks around) can have an idea on what I am talking about. Having my own fair share of good and bad politics (not only personal but local), his views have been a breathe of fresh air. If you are overexposed to politics, it is very refreshing and hopeful to hear that someone still believes in certain principles. He is one of them.
If you argue that I have my own experiences and you have your own, then let me remind you that it breaks the fucking point of the article. Before you accuse someone of Ad Hominem and all those kinds of fallacies, ask yourselves what kind of fallacy you are committing with that article. Over-generalization.
Two, I would like to ask Ms. Justimbaste what has she done after experiencing those scenarios. You seem to be complaining a lot- from Noynoy to Edsa Revolution to this (concentrate muna tayo sa sinulat ni Ms. Justimbaste, mamaya mapunta tayo sa kung saan nanaman). Since napunta narin tayo sa personalan pagkakakilala dahil sa nangyari kay Mr. Montemar, sasabihin ko sayo ng direcho- parang di ka nakaranas ng training sa ROTC ah. Ngayon sa mga taong, sisiraan naman ang RO, ibang topic na yun at depende kay Ms. Justimbaste kung naging maganda o hindi ang karanasan niya dito. Reklamadora amp.
Tama ka man sa ilang bagay pero kung ganyan ang tingin mo sa lahat ng Pilipino, hindi mo lang iniinsulto ang mga taong tinutukoy mo. Iniinsulto mo din ang pagkatao ko, pagkatao ng magulang mo at lahat ng Pilipinong nagreply sa thread nato. May problema ka sa MRT, sumakay ka sa train station sa India. May problema ka sa birthday at walang pakielaman, hindi ka ata nanunuod ng American Idol o ibang reality shows ng kawirduhan ng US. Yun puro mga walang pakialam at hiya sa kahit sino (sa mga magkicriticize naman samen dahil sa mag-cite ko sa mga palabas nato, intindihin niyo muna mensahe na gusto kong iparating- at taste ko yun, wala kang pakialam dun). Para sa mga magaargumento naman na hindi naman lahat ng tao wirdo at walang disiplina (puro may mga issues sa self esteem, kundi anorexic, elepante naman), precisely my point with this article.
Napansin ko din na may nagreact nung pinapunta si Iya sa rally. Ang arte mo. Im pretty sure Iya has the strength of character to survive in those situations. Sumobra nga eh. You talk about danger and accountability, you can have an accident in any time of your life. Simpleng observation lang sa rally, irereklamo mo pa.
I also did not like Ms. Justimbaste (although buhay mo yan), how you make fun of your former professor. Unang una, sa newsflash mo, pasalamat ang studyante na yun na nagalit lang si Mr. Montemar sa kanya. Kung ako man, sasabihin ng stupido ang mga Pilipino o sabihin nateng mga asshole, tatadyakan ko pagkalalake niya. Tutal stupido naman ako at asshole. May karapatang siya na sabihin kung anong gusto niyang sabihin pero wala siyang karapatan na insultuhin ang pagkatao ko at ng pamilya ko at least. Isa pa, I think the whole point of Mr. Montemar’s exposing his relationship to you is for you to realize that you, yourself, have your own incompetencies, laziness and stupidities and yet he did not overgeneralize you as an incompetent whining ingrate. You may say you’ve been a good student and I think you yourself can assess what were your faults and pros as one. I think he deserves much more respect than that.
Third, you have heard me say this before. There is a difference between acknowledging the problem and ridiculing someone for it. You maybe right, pota simple pa nga yang mga problema mo sa culture naten eh. But remember, your overgeneralizing antics do not only concern the people who pointed out, you are also insulting every Filipino here. Kaya nga natatawa ako sa ibang replies dito, oo ng oo, nakikitawa pero hindi nila iniisip na sila din iniinsulto. The solution I’m giving, correct whatever wrong you see. Mag nakita ka sa MRT, sitahin mo! Kasimpleng simpleng solusyon. Not post something like this, contemplate on it every day and make fun of everyone. Its a fucking waste of time. Immature amp.
Fourth, I also suggest before you start praising US and those other developed countries, look at how they are handling their problems in an individual manner. For one, I admire the strength of Filipinos in coping with hardships and trials. That is an admirable trait. Means there is a factor for hope and I am willing to take that chance. People who do not give up reach far. I suggest we start from there. At the same time, it is so easy to embrace others, label yourself differently (buti pa sila ek-ek) especially because you do not have to try to be who you are. Therefore, you are a coward.
You may have the right the speak what is in your mind. But I have the right to protect my integrity, my family’s integrity at least. So Ms. Justimbaste, before you post anything and before you post in your facebook why a regarded person like Mr. BBC and etcetera are unfriending you, I think you should also ask why. Masyado ka namang mayabang kung sasabihin mong stupido silang lahat.
Lastly, I am going to unfriend you. Not because I do not want to see the negative things that need to be attended to. In fact, I dont need your articles to see it everyday. But I prefer to be aroung positive people, negativity is contagious. People see problems more than solutions. I do not need people like you. Sinasabi ko na ngayon palang baka gusto mo din akong gawan ng article sa facebook at sumikat din ako. This is my first and last reply so yung mga magrereply dyan at iinsultuhin ako, wala kayong kausap.
Para sa mga magrereply sa thread nato, bago kayo gumawa ng argumento, tanungin niyo nga muna mga sarili niyo kung may karapatan talaga kayo magsabi ng ganito. Oo kayo ng oo, hindi niyo iniisip iniinsulto din kayo. Sasabihin hindi daw apektado dahil hindi daw sila ganyan. Sabi nga sa article “Filipinos are racists, thoughtless and rude”, kasama kayo dito pota. May mga kakilala ako, taga US, lakas magpreach kung sino dapat iboto, bumoto ng tama at bobo daw yung ibang boboto, pero siya mismo hindi naman boboto. Lokohan na to.
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Elizabeth Reply:
March 1st, 2010 at 5:42 am
GRABE ANG BOBO MONG STUDYANTE! Parehas kayo ni montemar na bobo. HAHAHA! KAAWA-AWANG NILALANG.
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Majinboo Reply:
March 1st, 2010 at 5:42 am
just the comment ive been waiting for. tama nga naman, people here can say ms. justimbaste is right with her observations but the question is, what will you do about it? this article’s point is to state the facts and yes it has stated some facts but i think they are not enough to say these things to the Filipino people. no, im not hurt as you may think i am because i reacted. i just do not think that will be enough to generalize people. it’s true that you experienced these things first hand but it doesn’t give you the right to say such generalizations. i have the same observations myself but why do i not complain about it? and before you question my lack of knowing what is wrong and just accepting what is happening now thus becoming the perfect example of an “anti-pinoy”, no i am not. i know there is something wrong with this country. i know that our culture is flawed (or damaged as james fallows would say). but i do not complain about it so much that i would curse people and the nation. because that’s what (i personally think) an educated person would do. you wouldn’t go on complaining about these things on the internet if you are one yourself. because an educated person would try to analyze WHY there are flaws in this culture and HOW (if there are any) can one fix the problem. if you say “wala na pag-asa” then, well, sorry.. you were the one who gave up. and that explains why you go on whining in the internet like this. ma’am, you have to present “anti-pinoys” solution to the problem. dont just answer what is wrong, but tell us why and how can we fix it. because by the looks of it, i think the point of this article is not to open the Anti-pinoy’s eyes as this site might have put onto their goals, but to merely get attention for yourself and not for the website itself. maybe mr. montemar got something right, then.
“you are now hitting at almost everything except your self-centered personality and weak logic.”
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Parallax Reply:
March 1st, 2010 at 6:59 am
to all the dense and the really slow:
when you have to ask “what are you going to do about it?”
it means
you’re too frikkin’ dumb to see
that the author ALREADY DID SOMETHING about it-
she told everyone who can read it to NOT BE LIKE THAT.
she made other people realize it’s okay to speak out against it.
she’s telling the a-holes to STOP being a-holes.
and she’s telling you to pay attention.
(and because lee anne yabut won’t bother reading replies to her idiotic post, somebody tell her this on fb please:
)
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Iya Justimbaste Reply:
March 1st, 2010 at 5:55 am
First of all, no one said you were a teacher’s pet. When you assume, you make an ass of u and me. Get it?
Regarding the news flash, WOW! I guess when people share their thoughts, you eexpect them to be same as yours. Apparently, if you’re a professor, you should take note of critical thinking as being part of the learning process. Teachers and students learn from each other. Why would he be mad at some student who just gave his observations? Now that is what you call retardedness.
You’re actually the last person who should be making assumptions about my relationship with Mr. Montemar. after all, you weren’t my classmate.
Obviously, you don’t get the point. Where in the world can you see a rally being a part of an OJT? You do know that attending such things entails danger, right? Problema sa yo, masyado kang triumphalist. Also my relationship with him has nothing to do with this article. Ganyan naman kayo eh. Puro emotions. Wala na kasi kayong mapatunayan hence, you are hitting on my personality.
And the way Filipinos handle their problems? SHEESH! They sing it away with videokes when in fact, they should be solving their problems, not forgetting ‘em.
Alam mo kasi, kaya ka natamaan is because ikaw ang perfect example ng mga nakasulat dito. Yung iba nga sinasabi nila na hindi sila natamaan kasi hindi sila bastos.
Sorry to hurt your feelings. Ganyan talaga. But remember: The truth liberates. Positive ka na kung positive. You just want the negative traits of the Filipinos to be swept under the rug. I want to point them out so they ca be changed.
Kaya nga tawa ng tawa ang ibang commenters dito ay dahil hindi sila naaapektuhan. Hindi sila rude. Ikaw ganun ka kaya ka natamaan.
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Mikee Manlapaz Reply:
March 1st, 2010 at 6:00 am
Hay naku ha. Wala kang point Ms. Yabut. Puro ka emotional attacks. Palibhasa kasi puro kakitiran ng utak ang alam mo.
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Velcrohair Reply:
March 1st, 2010 at 7:25 am
Lee Anne Yabut,
You’re another ad hominem person. Naku. The whole point here is about the article not about Iya or Montemar.
Gusto mo ng ad hominem? Sige eto… Nagsearch ako sa facebook and it turns out na while maganda si Iya Justimbaste, ikaw, mukhang puta.
See how an ad hominem works? On to the topic: Tama naman ang mga sinabi ni Iya. Totoo namang bastos ang maraming Pilipino… Ihi kahit saan, tae kahit saan, di pumipila ng tama sa maraming lugar, dura dito, dura doon. Kulangot in public. Ano yan, ha?
Ikaw nga bastos eh. Ano yung mga kwento mo rito, wala namang kinalaman yun sa topic ah?
Tsaka ito boba, basahin mo nga ito: http://antipinoy.com/are-filipinos-a-curious-people/
It says that there are 3 types of people:
1) People who deny that there is a problem
2) People who see the problem and look for solutions based on what they see
3) People who see the problem but deny the existence of solutions
Iya falls under number 2. She doesn’t deny that there is a problem. But she also doesn’t say that there is a problem but that there are no solutions.
The very fact that she writes about the problem is precisely because she knows that the first step to solving the problem is for people to recognize that there is a problem. When more and more people get “disturbed” by the facts she writes, then more people are going to be moved to seek solutions and solve the problem.
Ikaw, mukha kang yung tipong either ayaw mong i-admit na may problema or ayaw mong i-admit na dapat sumama ka sa paghahanap ng solutions.
Gamitin mo nga utak mo, Yabut!
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Ray Rodriguez Reply:
March 1st, 2010 at 8:50 am
Ms. Yabut, isa ka sa mga tao who focus on the messenger instead of the message.
Does the fact that Iya (a Filipino) said it makes the statements less truthful?
What if a Japanese or German person states the observations?
If you are in a restaurant and the food delivered to you has a fly, would you not complain because you would rationalize “well, the food in India has flies anyway so this is fine”
When Iya said “Filipinos” it is understood that by default it is a generalization. Its common sense. What you said about ROTC or other things are IRRELEVANT to the topic.
Teachers also do not require students to join rallies because rallies are a personal choice. The student may not believe the cause being rallied about.
The only Filipinos who are offended by what Iya or the other authors write are those who are onion-skinned and have a low sense of self-worth. You are easily offended by criticism because are not able to compartmentalize yourself from your allegiances or associations and evaluate things objectively.
Stop rambling, start thinking.
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Ma Xianding Reply:
March 1st, 2010 at 9:03 am
The writings of this Lee Ann Yabut are very incoherent that I got bored reading it. Don’t worry if she posts again. They are so boring and senseless that they are not worth reading at all. Let us skip her posts next time.
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ChinoF Reply:
March 1st, 2010 at 10:04 am
Ms. Yabut… if you claim to be not bastos as the Filipinos Iya’s hitting, why are you insulted by her article?
Bato bato sa langit, ang tamaan ay guilty.
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and for the record ms. justimbaste. can you please stop posting your links everywhere. i mean, yes internet is free. but if you want to talk about RUDENESS.. well here’s one. a senior faculty passed away last month, and people who loved him dearly made a fan page in Facebook to commemorate and share thoughts on his wonderful life. i may not know him personally, but i know a couple who does. and what did you do? you “became a fan” of that page yourself. and amidst people sharing their sadness and grieving for their loss, there you were posting your website on your favorite noynoy aquino. C’mon.
now talk to me about being RUDE, THOUGHTLESS and insensitivity.
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Iya: in all honesty i will say that i admire how passionate and active youve been on the internet.
all your observations seem so brilliant to most of the people in this forum because THEY ARE, for the most part, TRUE.
we all see them. we are, after all, part of THIS CULTURE and THIS SOCIETY.
We all take the mrt. we all commute. we all go to the mall. whatever. we see these things everyday.
—
Prof. Montemar was my professor also. Iya was my classmate.
the trouble with these online forums is that you have to type down every little detail just to make sure that every person who reads your opinion can see it in the right context and in the right light.
Sir Louie is and was not the most effective teacher on campus- and yes, i also did not learn much from him, but that was through my own fault. The same goes for everybody else who claims to have not learned anything from their professors. As a student, your primary purpose in life (for those few years) is to maximize what your parents or the government is spending for your education. you are not supposed to sit in a chair and complain if youre not getting enough spoonfeeding from your teacher or if he does not like you. you cannot and should not have expected anybody else except yourself to make the effort of knowing the material.
im sorry that sir louie had to comment on this page. but i dont blame him for acting on the urge to “try” to remind someone of her roots. obviously this is not the proper channel for this, there are too many people in the world with too much “freedom of speech”.
to the people who unwittingly ran to Iya’s defense: we know her personally. yes. words are cheap, but i cant comprehend why and how you throw them around so confidently, knowing that you know nothing beyond the letters on the screen.
to iya: please. there are other ways.
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Iya Justimbaste Reply:
March 1st, 2010 at 8:09 am
The point is not whether or not your professor likes you. However, a professor should be objective. I have views that oppose the ideas of my professor but that shouldn’t really result to him lambasting my personality. He can attack my ideas, which he failed to do so, but not my personality. This whole argument focused on my personality for some reason and that shouldn’t really be the case. That I cried in class doesn’t have anything to do with this article. Consequently, I am appalled at what Louie Montemar did.
What transpired 2 years ago, back when we were classmates is irrelevant to the topic. Yes, he was our prof but that doesn’t give him the right to just say those things. Mr. Joey Espiritu is also a professor (see his comments above) from dlsu and he doesn’t think it’s right for Louie Montemar to bring up the past because it has no relation to the whole article.
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Ray Rodriguez Reply:
March 1st, 2010 at 8:54 am
You are correct Iya. People like Yabut and Montemar are people-centric instead of idea-centric.
Great minds focus on ideas
Average minds focus on events
Small minds focus on people.
Thats why when they waltzed in here, they focused on you instead of the topic.
Continue your great works on the net and the airwaves!!!
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Filo Reply:
March 1st, 2010 at 8:57 am
Why would you assume none of us here know her? Wait, never mind that. THAT is not even relevant. Her personal background doesn’t really matter as she has spoken the painful truth that triumphalists love to kick under the rug.
When a person speaks the truth, who she is or what she is doesn’t make it any more or less true.
You could disagree, but you have to defend it with objectivity, with focus on the message, not the messenger.
So if you feel you’re entitled to attack her person because you know her better than anyone else does, then maybe you’re the one with “too much freedom of speech,” and NEWSFLASH: You won’t prove her wrong that way.
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Ma Xianding Reply:
March 1st, 2010 at 9:05 am
So if we say “mali si montemar kasi pandak siya” is that correct? That’s the way Montemar deals with Iya here.
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I agree and disagree with some of the comments here.
Filipino there are a lot of rude Filipinos that lack that part in their brain dedicated to discipline. But now all Filipinos are rude, racist and undisciplined. There are a handful of “behaved” Filipinos out there maybe they could all be placed in 3 medium sized rooms. :\
Pardon me for asking this though, but isn’t this being racist? Posting hate and disdain on the web even dedicating a site to this seething anger towards the horrible attitude of the majority of Filipinos?
Ms. Iya, I’d also like to ask you what was your other motive in posting such things? Was it only to help Filipinos rectify their short comings in terms of attitude/conduct? Or was it to stroke your own ego? To make yourself feel that you are far more superior than your fellow Filipinos.
Oh I’m sorry, maybe you don’t want to be Filipino anymore.
I agree with Majinboo. An educated person wouldn’t post so much drama on the internet and go as far as throwing links all over the internet. I cannot see any objectivity in this article, you filled it with hatred and anger that you had no idea where to direct. But then again… where to direct it?
I can relate to your LRT/MRT story. I have experienced that, the rudeness and how uncouth people can be.
Allow me to share my story.
It was my very first time to ride LRT/MRT in Vito Cruz Taft, I was on my way to Greenbelt with some friends. I had no clue what to do so I asked my friend to help me through this. Buying the ticket, I was totally clueless, the person behind me was cursing under her breath, mocking me and calling me names. My friend took over from there and bought the ticket for me.
I entered the “Women’s only” cab, around the EDSA station an aged lady came from behind and boorishly bumped me, I heard no excuse me from her, she hit my bag and spilled out of the cab. I apologized many times and offered her a hand. She looks at me and yells “P*tang ina mo”, I was scared so I apologized some more but she continued to curse at me as the doors closed.
I didn’t know if I was angry or guilty, it wasn’t a pleasant thing to experience on your first MRT/LRT ride.
To get to Greenbelt I had to take another ride in another station, same thing, pushing and shoving to get in a cab. The cab I got in was filled with people, cramped and very uncomfortable. I was standing in the midst of all the people carrying my book bag and a file case, very uncomfortable.
I thought I’d stand for the rest of the trip when a middle aged man tapped my shoulder and offered his seat. I didn’t want to reject the offer because I was really uncomfortable, so I thanked him and took the seat.
I got off the cab at my stop, “Thank you po.” I said to the man as I left.
For me this is proof that Filipino conduct is indeed flawed but there are some kind souls out there who still know manners.
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Filo Reply:
March 1st, 2010 at 9:17 am
The existence of kind Filipino souls out there does not negate the existence of lots of Filipinos who are complete pricks on the road, who litter all over the place, who push themselves into the MRT even as those trying to get out haven’t gotten out, etc.
The article still holds true.
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358 Days Reply:
March 1st, 2010 at 9:46 am
I never said that it negates the fact that there are a lot of rude Filipinos. I was trying to negate the fact that someone collectively called ALL Filipinos are Rude *insert more negative adjectives here*
My story showed an example of both rude and polite Filipinos. The existence of the opposite does not deny the existence of the other.
The article holds true but the statement “ALL FILIPINOS ARE RUDE PRICKS….” Is not true for me.
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BongV Reply:
March 1st, 2010 at 9:52 am
Where in the statement does she say “ALL”?
There is nothing in her statements which says “ALL”.
Filo Reply:
March 1st, 2010 at 10:08 am
Iya was clear about her post and a lot of us understood that she didn’t mean ALL Filipinos, but quite a lot of Filipinos. You’ll see the others higher on this thread discussing just that.
Anyway, regarding your story, if A & B both exist, where
A = antipinoys
B = kind souls
then we’re definitely happy about B, but we won’t get off A’s case.
Point being, our criticism of the antipinoy doesn’t necessarily mean we see nothing good in Filipinos.
We get it, and we hope you’ll get it too.
In ancient Greece, Iya’s article would be epideictic.
It is within this overarching context – of epideixis – that Iya writes. You may agree or disagree – and I have no problem with that, if you do, that’s not my problem.
The point of the entire article is to bring attention to the dysfunction – the generalizations being part of rhetorical devices to catch attention and evoke a reaction.
And on those grounds – Iya did a fine excellent job – to bring the matter into people’s awareness – that you might take the notion for granted, but think again – others do not necessarily share that notion.
To ask Iya to try another path because someone is embarassed is a disservice. That’s sweeping the dysfunction under a rag or carpet. That’s not how responsible adults behave.
Bring it out in the open – Discuss with transparency and candidness, TALO ANG PIKON!
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Let me add this.
Ms. Iya, I can see that your intentions are good, your efforts in pulling up the rug and exposing the “bad” swept under it. But in terms of execution, it is some what flawed in my opinion.
I can sense a vicious reply to this though. Some people out there will ask me “What is the better execution then?” Honestly, I have yet to think about that but is it not another purpose to this site? Finding the equations to attain solutions?
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Iya Justimbaste Reply:
March 1st, 2010 at 8:10 am
The tone is not relevant. Deal with the facts. Not the way it was said.
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BongV Reply:
March 1st, 2010 at 8:29 am
Would it occur to us to discuss solutions if the facts weren’t brought to our attention in the first place?
We can wind up coming with wrong solutions if the we have our facts wrong? Even then we ask, are these facts relevant at all.
The first step to problem solving is first – to identify the problem.
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taking another path could mean showing the dysfunction to another audience. judging from the comments, this audience is as aware as aware could get.
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BongV Reply:
March 1st, 2010 at 8:28 am
And this audience would like discuss the dysfunction even further. you have a problem with that?
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Ray Rodriguez Reply:
March 1st, 2010 at 8:58 am
I am an audience and LOVING it here. If you want all nice and fluffy go to carbears dot com.
The marketing value of Iya’s tone is also effective in a Howard Stern kind of a way.
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Homer Reply:
March 1st, 2010 at 9:19 am
Hey….anyone who mentions Howard Stern in a positive way has got to be a cool dude in my book. In fact, I just finished listening to his show today.
Ok…carry on, folks.
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I disagree. The tone does play part in dealing with the facts. A hostile tone can easily be misinterpreted, it would beget a hostile “dealing with the facts”. A debate would ensue, fighting and more fighting, no solution just more bitterness. I know you’ve experienced this first hand.
If criticism is served to you like this “Ay **** ang bastos mo, nag-aral ka ba? Wala namang blahblahblah…” It would beget a hostile reaction but if we were to try a different tone in giving criticism, “I respect your opinion on this matter but blahblah… I think….”. No one likes the truth served rudely, I am aware the truth is painful but if you tell the truth in a very “harsh” manner, its like rubbing salt in the wounds, I don’t like that and neither do you.
Might I suggest a more Rhetoric approach to this?
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BongV Reply:
March 1st, 2010 at 9:09 am
358 – It is what is. I like the tone. and obviously, So does the audience. Or else, you and I wouldn’t be having this exchange.Now it might appear that the tone is “harsh” because we are do not hear the feeling tone or the pitch – and therefore, how we read the words are very much a product of our personal intepretation – our psychological projection of what we think is the authors feeling tone – and we can be off the mark.We might see Iya as being condescending based on her feeling tone – but of you were listening to her in person, your interpretation would change, if you heard that the feeling tone is being said in a light, amused manner, as in.. “Yeah.. Filipinos are rude.. what else is new? dedma.”The harshness might be “harsh” for you, but for others – that’s what they are looking for – to expose a flaw and bare it in the light. If you can’t handle this – then AP is not the site for you. Go to barriosiete.com makipagappearan ka sa mga bading doon. or go the wimps in Filipinovoices.com – Or you can get lost in the labyrinthine maze of quezon.ph.
Straight up – when you read this – pretend that you are listening to George Carlin
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Homer Reply:
March 1st, 2010 at 9:41 am
“Straight up – when you read this – pretend that you are listening to George Carlin”
Now there’s a guy who made people think while having a good laugh.
He was a true realist. He will be missed.
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Filo Reply:
March 1st, 2010 at 10:14 am
Ah,George Carlin. Yeah, he’s missed already.
Real smart and funny guy.
For Ms. Iya and supporters,
Instead of focusing more on the negative side of things, why not spend more of your time on something more productive? There’s nothing wrong about being logical and stating weaknesses for the sake of self-improvement, but there’s a difference between being logical and rude.
I expect you or any one of your supporters to reply to this post with the intention of proving that I’m wrong. Please try to be open minded and see first what your audience is actually trying to say. I’ve digested everything that was said here, I hope you digest even those you do not desire to. React negatively and you will prove that I am right. As stated a while ago: “TALO ANG PIKON”
Literacy is oft overestimated by those who cannot understand, please understand your audience in every level and aspect.
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Filo Reply:
March 1st, 2010 at 9:37 am
No fair! I was going to react negatively! Huhuhuhu
So far, the only ones who’ve been PIKON are the ones who don’t get it because they were emo. The rest of us could relate, are happy that we’re not alone with these observations, and agree that just because we’re so used to seeing these dysfunctions of da basic Pinoy it doesn’t mean for harmony’s sake we’re going to pretend they aren’t there.
This is productive. Really. And what you think is rude about this post isn’t rude, just frank.
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BenK Reply:
March 1st, 2010 at 9:40 am
I was honestly bored with this subject, but your comment caught my eye. WOW. This is a real piece of work. I’m not going to “reply to this post with the intention of proving that [you’re] wrong”, rather, I’d like to break this down and ask you a few questions. Sound like fun? Of course it does! So here we go:
You said:
“Instead of focusing more on the negative side of things, why not spend more of your time on something more productive?”
Such as? One could make the point (in fact, we often do) that critically examining issues, which is certainly ‘negative’ in the sense you seem to be presenting it more often than not, is very productive. You cannot have a solution without first understanding there is a problem. Or, are you contending that the particular problem that Iya is examining does not exist?
You continued on to say that:
“There’s nothing wrong about being logical and stating weaknesses for the sake of self-improvement,
Okay, that’s a valid point. I would actually put it a little more strongly: it’s an absolute necessity to be logical and acknowledge weaknesses for the sake of self-improvement. However, Iya was not discussing her personal flaws, so it doesn’t seem to be a relevant assertion here, which seems to be why you added:
“…but there’s a difference between being logical and rude.”
What exactly do you mean here? Does that refer to self-improvement? Or something else? Indulge me for a moment, here’s what I think you are saying: “It’s perfectly okay to worry about your own behavior, but it’s out of line to criticize anyone else’s.” Is that an accurate interpretation? If not, I apologize, but it is precisely the conclusion I drew from your statement.
A little farther along you said:
“Please try to be open minded and see first what your audience is actually trying to say.”
Exactly. That’s what I’m trying to figure out. So what are you trying to say?
And then, your conclusion:
“Literacy is oft overestimated by those who cannot understand, please understand your audience in every level and aspect.”
Your profundity has left me standing on the quay watching your receding wake, because I have no idea what that means. Are you trying to say Iya should dumb it down, or what? If so, I’m afraid that’s actually a bit of an under-estimation on your part; the audience here has always seemed to be quite literate.
According to my conclusion, then, your comment in more direct-and-to-the-point language is saying:
Don’t criticize other people, because they’re stupid.
Sorry, but if that’s not really what you meant, you blew it, because that’s what I got out of it. Care to try again?
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wow. *clap clap*
as is true for most online forums, dont go in with a differing view. people will drive you out one way or another. its hardly “open” discussion
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Iya Justimbaste Reply:
March 1st, 2010 at 9:03 am
That is the essence of democracy. We are entitled to oppose against other people’s views and people can defend their views as well. What’s not welcome here is personal attacks though. I am sure you won’t resort to doing that kind of thing.
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Ma Xianding Reply:
March 1st, 2010 at 9:06 am
Your differing view is welcome, but attack the topic and not the author.
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BongV Reply:
March 1st, 2010 at 9:14 am
Jet Velazco:
On the contrary, we deal with differing views every day – and we don’t moderate it, we don’t delete it, we don’t ban the commenter – unlike Barriosiete.com, Filipinovoices.com. ellentordesillas.com.
We take your view head on – is there a clause that says, because Jet Velazo wrote it – it must be true? and should not be questioned? Cmon dude, that’s how we retrogress. We talk, we exchange ideas, we test the validity of the idea. If it is reasonable, we take it. If not, we reject it. How others deal with it – that’s their business – they are adults who can take of their own thing.
This is as open as it gets. If people don’t agree with you – hindi na open? That’s ridiculous.
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Filo Reply:
March 1st, 2010 at 9:46 am
Why, have you been driven out, Jet?
If you feel you couldn’t get into a discussion then you’re the one hesitating. Feel free to argue, but expect others to react as they please. If you can’t handle that, then it’s really your fault you feel left out.
So just join the discussion and focus on the ideas.
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Jet Velazco,
I just wanted to thank you for supporting what I last said. Thank you for proving my point and being a perfect example for one who is close-minded. I’m amazed by what you have accomplished, I hope you feel happy now.
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BongV Reply:
March 1st, 2010 at 9:33 am
We have just started the discussion – and you prematurely conclude – close minded?
Who is close minded now?
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To All,
And this site is supposed to be for the betterment of the Philippines? All i see are people who love to complain. I’ve done my part in helping my country and am willing to continue.
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Iya Justimbaste Reply:
March 1st, 2010 at 9:23 am
If you don’t complain, nothing will happen. Let’s say you take the jeep and the change the driver gave you is short of 3 pesos, what would you do? Keep mum about it? If you don’t complain, chances are, that driver would do the same thing with the other passengers. Do you see the analogy?
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BongV Reply:
March 1st, 2010 at 9:32 am
Convuluted:
I presume you will keep silent about the driver not giving you the change?
By keeping silent – have you bettered? or worsened the Philippines?
Do you know what an enabler is? Kunsintidor, ika nga.
What I see are people who have taken responsibility of identifying a flaw – and voicing out their disagreement with such a flawed behavior?
Removing a flawed behavior is not betterment? Yes? No?
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To those who are interested in knowing why we bother to “Get Real”, BongV made this very nice article that can enlighten you.
http://antipinoy.com/why-bother-to-get-real/
Cheers!
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I have my common sense, what I stated a while ago of course doesn’t fit the situation you’re giving me right now but for the sake of giving you an answer, this is what I have to say. If you keep on complaining, nothing will happen either. You continuously complain that the driver gave you short change and you find a way to get that money back, but you do nothing to prevent it from happening again. Yes I see the analogy.
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BongV Reply:
March 1st, 2010 at 9:36 am
What makes you think that nothing is being done to prevent it from happening again?
For one – you count the change to ensure, you have the right change.
Isn’t that preventing being shortchanged from happening again?
Second – you called the drivers attention – Isn’t that preventing being shortchanged?
Those are two instances of preventing being shortchanged.
What do you want? A nanny who will do the counting for you. Grow up dude.
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Iya Justimbaste Reply:
March 1st, 2010 at 9:37 am
How did I not prevent it from happening again? You complained to the driver. Of course he would know that the next time he does it again, other people will complain. Clearly, you do not get it.
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ChinoF Reply:
March 1st, 2010 at 9:43 am
Complaining doesn’t solve anything?
Then why is there customer service meant to handle complaints?
The road to improvement can start with a good complaint.
Call it feedback in the management world.
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Convoluted Filipino Reply:
March 1st, 2010 at 9:46 am
I never said that you shouldn’t complain. What I’m trying to say is it takes more than a complaint to change something.
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BongV Reply:
March 1st, 2010 at 9:51 am
Absolutely – while it takes more than a complaint – it starts with a complaint.
How would the cops apprehend a break in in your house? Someone has to file a complaint.
Iya Justimbaste Reply:
March 1st, 2010 at 9:51 am
Complaining is step one of the process! Without doing it, nothing will happen. You will just make the situation a lot worse.
BongV Reply:
March 1st, 2010 at 9:58 am
Exactamente. Now would be a good time to provide a link in the AP Guest Center – http://antipinoy.com/guest-center/problem-solving-process/
Homer Reply:
March 1st, 2010 at 9:57 am
Right, Chino.
Had I not exercised my right to complain, nothing would be done to change the lousy cable tv reception I was getting. Same thing goes for what started as a slow internet connection. Had I kept quiet about it, no changes would have been made.
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Yes, but the first step is to say something.
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my last response was directed to BongV, whose statement ” you have a problem with that? ” did not sit too well with me. then again i also know i could be misinterpreting the statement.
i know what it means to be in a democracy.
and for the sake of saving a few bytes, nope, id rather not go on any other site such as those enumerated above.
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BongV Reply:
March 1st, 2010 at 9:47 am
Jet – there’s a lot of sites where stuff didn’t sit well with me either.
Guess what happened to me in these other sites – I was banned, my IP was banned, my nickname was banned, leading to Akismet taking my comments all the way to the spam box in my own site – how about that. And it was all because I disagreed and I had contrarian views.
In contrast, there was another guy, by the name of Batang Tondo, who was in here, hurling all the adhominems and four letter words. If that were another site, he’ll be a dead duck. But not here, we engaged him, tit-for-tat. We may not agree with what you are saying – but we will not shut you down, delete you, moderate you, or ban you – that’s not right.
But certainly I will disagree with you on the topics that I feel I should disagree – and I don’t have a problem if you disagree with me. I learn from disagreements – it either strengthens my positions or makes me reconsider it. If you or someone gets pissed – that’s their problem if they can’t handle themselves. I can take care of my own.
The long and short of it Iya’s article is this – somethings happening out there, and based on it – impressions about the Pinoy can be made – and this impressions are not nice. Should we fault Iya for noticing the something that happened there? I don’t think so – she is just describing her experience – was she the one being rude? was she the one blaring the speakers all night long?
Going deeper we can ask the question what can be done about this – but we wouldn’t even raise the question and think about it – were it not for Iya’s well-timed article.
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BongV
You cannot say for sure that majority of the audience likes the tone. There are probably people out there who disagree with some of Ms. Iya’s statement but have not balls to voice out.
I had no intention of appearing “un-ballsy” or one that had their ego hurt because of her straight forward approach. Respect to her for being active and voicing out. Respect to you for showing your support.
But there is a difference between being blunt/straightforward to plain flat out rude.
Such a waste it would be if a reader would be put-off from reading because they were displeased by a rude opening statement. I’m just saying that people need to read this, they need a dose of thought provoking opinions. But not everyone can be as open as the audience here right now.
Making this a less bitter pill to swallow it will be easier to share this. I’m not saying Ms. Iya should kiss ass. Hell no.
You’re not a jerk, you’re just stubborn and enthusiastic about your opinion and preferences. I’m stubborn too, I prefer a Rhetoric approach with euphemisms etc. You prefer it straight forward, right where it should be. Just trying to avoid the endless supply of people eating up precious bandwidth with a whole lot less smart and a whole lot more “&&^#@#$%^&*((*(&^~!!”
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you’ve always argued on not attacking personalities. now correct me if i am wrong, doesn’t the essence and content of one published work shows how much the author knows about the subject matter? im not questioning how much iya knows, she knows quite well, mostly from personal experiences. and yes, she has the right to state these facts over here but i have to re-state 358 days’ question: is it for the Filipinos to be more knowledgeable or was it done to stroke your own ego? we always say not to argue the form, but the content. but these things are two vital parts in communication. you have to deliver it right and deliver well. iya may have some good points, but i wouldn’t classify THIS ARTICLE (because for sure she can do better, won’t you agree?) as an excellent work. Jet is right, there are some other ways. we cant just continue on arguing. stating the facts and letting the people know that there is something wrong is just one thing. but then again, it is important, yes. but what do we do now with this knowledge? continue on arguing with one another? but then again, this is a mere blog entry of some sort just like how i would rant about my day on any other blog sites so maybe i shouldn’t expect more.
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Ma Xianding Reply:
March 1st, 2010 at 9:52 am
The truth of the matter will be evident in the facts presented in the article and the way a conclusion is logically arrived.
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BongV Reply:
March 1st, 2010 at 9:57 am
you raise the question “is it for the Filipinos to be more knowledgeable or was it done to stroke your own ego?”
that is a very malicious question and imputes that the writer was writing this just to stoke her ego – I don’t think so.
believe you me, I have a longer list that will make Iya’s list kids work – and it’s not to stoke my ego – it’s because I am pissed with what I see.
Iya stated the facts quite clearly – described the behavior – and made a conclusion – Filipinos are…. – she did not say ALL FILIPINOs are.. she just said Filipinos are which can be .. SOME.. MOST.. MANY.. MAJORITY – that qualification is now left to the reader’s interpretation. you interpreted it as “ALL”, I intepreted it as “MOST”.
what do we do now with this knowledge? we act on it – when we see people/friends/family being rude – call their attention, simple as that.
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Majinboo Reply:
March 1st, 2010 at 10:12 am
i wont argue with what she said, anymore. i said that indeed the facts presented were true because i have the same observations myself. with the way she delivered it was quite rude, yes, but i admire the courage. and i guess ive already acted on it a while ago and let me repost:
“and for the record ms. justimbaste. can you please stop posting your links everywhere. i mean, yes internet is free. but if you want to talk about RUDENESS.. well here’s one. a senior faculty passed away last month, and people who loved him dearly made a fan page in Facebook to commemorate and share thoughts on his wonderful life. i may not know him personally, but i know a couple who does. and what did you do? you “became a fan” of that page yourself. and amidst people sharing their sadness and grieving for their loss, there you were posting your website on your favorite noynoy aquino. C’mon.
now talk to me about being RUDE, THOUGHTLESS and insensitivity.”
maybe for some here who does know iya, they can’t simply dismiss the issue because of credibility of the author. im not judging iya of anything, i was simply calling her attention.
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BongV Reply:
March 1st, 2010 at 10:20 am
if it takes rudeness to awaken rude people – so be it. sila lang ba marunong maging rude, get a dose of your own medicine for a change.
Ms. Iya and BongV
(I wanted to reply to your post on the “older posts” section but for some reason, the reply button wasnt there.)
Ms Iya,
Exactly, based on what I’ve read, all of these posts are nothing else but step one. Where’s the progress? Progress starts by trying to understand that there’s someone else out there who is right and not just yourselves(this goes to everyone, not just Ms Iya.) I’m not saying that I’m the only one who’s right either. This is what’s worng with our country. EVERYONE IS TRYING TO PROVE THAT EACH ONE OF THEM IS BETTER. I admit that I’ve seen a great amount of truth from this site, but mainly from those who contradict you or BongV or other supporters. You know what has to be changed? Stop trying to bring everyone down for your glory because that’s the trait of our politicians nowadays. I wouldn’t be suprised to see you running for congress in a few years for now. Instead, hear out everyone, stop answering back, take in the good points because in turn you’ll find more solutions rather than problems.
BongV
What I want to tell you, as of now, is simple. We don’t care how harsh you can speak. We care change. If that’s what you want to be proud of (Making people look “Un-ballsy”) then I’m not stopping you. It’s your reputation at stake.
To All,
This site is not supposed to be for any one of you, not for BongV and not for Ms. Iya, but as i have said a while ago, for the betterment of the country. If you want to contradict each other, this cycle would continue till who knows when. If you listen to me on the other hand, we could finally get to STEP 2 MS. IYA
dont go complaining because i typed in all caps, as BongV stated, there’s nothing wrong about that being in a “democracy”
Pikon ang kumontra, talo ang pikon. Suporta nalang diba?
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Convoluted Filipino Reply:
March 1st, 2010 at 10:11 am
I’m sorry for my typos. I hurredly typed this. Good night everyone. I’ve done my part, have you done yours?
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BongV Reply:
March 1st, 2010 at 10:19 am
Convoluted:
It’s not my personal reputation at stake – it’s the pinoy’s collective reputation that’s at stake.
There is nothing wrong with trying to prove which is a better path. What’s wrong is when we don’t question whether such path is indeed better or not – when we don’t debate the merits of whether such path is indeed better or not.
In the corporate word – there’s a term called CONTINUOUS IMPROVEMENT – it is a continuous activity that strives toward improvement – no resting on laurels!
Improving means bringing down OLD DESTRUCTIVE BEHAVIOR. I have no qualms and am very vocal about bringing down DESTRUCTIVE behavior – KILLING IT, RIDICULING IT, SHAMING PEOPLE who engage in it.
Hearing out everyone does not mean to stop answering back – that’s the nature of dialogue. If you can’t handle dialogue – malas mo na lang. YOU are on ANTIPINOY.COM – you are expected to dialogue. If you can’t handle the dialogue, go to Filipinovoices.com – doon kumbaya kayong lahat
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Filo Reply:
March 1st, 2010 at 11:09 am
Iya wasn’t trying to prove she’s better than anybody. She gave her observations. A lot of us get it.
Wait. You said “everyone.” That includes you. Are you trying to prove you’re better than anybody?
(I’ll answer that for you.) No, I don’t believe that’s what you meant. To be fair, I believe what you’re trying to say is that we can observe a whole lot of people, politicians especially, trying to one-up each other to make themselves look good. That’s not what we’re trying to do here on this blog. And if anybody argues with you, do not assume he/she is trying to one-up you too. There are other blogs that have that market, and they could hold hands all the way to hell if they want, because nobody challenges the antipinoy norm over there.
Really? You get the truth from those who contradict Iya and BongV? Any other reader could easily say the same about you by saying “I’ve seen a great amount of truth from this site, but mainly from those who contradict Convoluted Filipino,” especially since those who’ve argued with you did so with logic and clear reasoning. Cite examples of those truths please and explain.
Why is this suddenly about glory? Is this a contest for you?
And so what if anybody on this thread decides to run for congress? That has nothing to do with exposing Pinoy dysfunction. If anything, based on the current system, anybody running for congress would have to pander to the masses to succeed. That’s the polar opposite of what this blog does.
This isn’t a call center. Nor is it an answering machine. It’s a blog. There are solutions here too. Read more of the other AP articles and you’ll see. If you don’t want to know about the problems, this blog isn’t for you.
Arguments continue till their logical end – the best reasoning prevails and the weak arguments are debunked. That means everyone will be on the same page. If we listen to you, which we already do, we just don’t necessarily agree, but we listen (i.e., read) anyway, you’re part of the discussion. It’s always good to discuss and be able to reach solutions by way of discussion. However, avoiding arguments like you appear to advocate in order to get to step 2, is hogwash. There are other blogs for that sort of thing.
If the sky is high and carabaos fly, how many bananas are left?
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ChinoF Reply:
March 2nd, 2010 at 12:57 am
Unfortunately, we often have to repeat step one, because Filipinos don’t seem able to beyond it. Because they forget step one. And so they’re the ones who continue to refuse to move to step two.
This is true. Spanish machismo bullcrap culture. But we’re not the ones doing this… the whole Philippine society is like this. Or are you insisting that Filipinos bad habits are confined in urban centers and don’t happen in provinces? I’ll let you know I have heard of stories of corruption and bad behavior in the provinces (like Maguindanao?)… and it’s all the same.
AP writers are not proving that they’re better… they’re proving that they’re right.
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I wonder what makes you think that this article is logically sound. Just because you have bundles of experiences to back it up does not mean that the general statement is deductively correct. It’s like saying, it has been raining for a week. Therefore, all days are rainy. Like your article on Filipinos, your experiences may be right but it does’nt equate your general statements as sound. It is also unsurprising to have posts hitting you personally because your whole article is very personal- race: bad characteristics:: race. What can you expect?
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Parallax Reply:
March 1st, 2010 at 6:31 pm
what is it about pinoys that prevents them from reading before reacting? seriously, that sh*t is one of the things that keep the philippines from smartening up and progressing. sheesh!
mr/ms x, do yourself a favor and read the earlier parts of this thread and find out what arguments have been made about this goofy fixation on the word ALL.
sheesh, pare!
oh btw, please explain this:
kasi if you don’t support it with reasoning then it’s very easily dismissible. would you like to know how? iya got these out of personal experience, and many others could relate because they’ve experienced similar things. ikaw, what’s your supporting details?
don’t keep us waiting. do enlighten us at your soonest convenience.
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Artemio Reply:
March 1st, 2010 at 8:23 pm
@X,
By definition, generalizations are not essentially formed through deductive reasoning.
Deduction is an inference that moves from general to particular truths or statements, while induction or inductive inference moves from particular to general. “Doing mathematics” is a model of deductive inference while empirical scientific methods are inductive.
Filipinos almost always expect to only hear how good or nice or hospitable they are, but the more biased you are towards “extoling” Pinoy virtues, their vices would naturally tend to appear to be all the more glaring.
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Aside from Filipinos being rude, they are corrupt. For some added perspective, read this:
http://antipinoy.com/philippine-corruption-as-above-so-it-is-below/
(self-promoting my own article here, nyahaha)
Maybe this is why they are rude. Being good doesn’t mean zilch to people anymore.
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I just had to react to this:
One of the most productive and positive things to do is to remove the negative traits. But you can’t do that without calling attention to them. So what we’re doing here in AP is positive. Problem is, calling attention to negative traits always bothers people. But that’s how it is. Truth hurts. If you can’t take the truth, you are welcome to your suffering from it… and you deserve it.
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Convoluted Filipino says:
“And this site is supposed to be for the betterment of the Philippines? All i see are people who love to complain. I’ve done my part in helping my country and am willing to continue.”
WHAT did you do?
“What I’m trying to say is it takes more than a complaint to change something.”
WHAT?
“If you listen to me on the other hand, we could finally get to STEP 2”
WHAT is step 2?
BongV says:
what do we do now with this knowledge? we act on it – when we see people/friends/family being rude – call their attention, simple as that.
I second the motion. CALL THE ATTENTION. It may be a simple and tiny step. Pinoys should stop being PASSIVE and learn to ASSERT oneself and do the RIGHT THING.
Parallax says:
“. . . the author ALREADY DID SOMETHING about it-
she told everyone who can read it to NOT BE LIKE THAT.”
Well said. I wonder why others have difficulty comprehending that.
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but then, looking at our history, who made *us* rude?
btw, did you take your Philippine History class?
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Lala Reply:
March 2nd, 2010 at 6:22 am
Blaming others again for the way you are.
Classic Pinoy.
Poor you.
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BongV Reply:
March 2nd, 2010 at 6:24 am
who made *us* rude?
just a clarification – do you mean someone dictated to your ancestors, therefore you as descendant are now rude – and cannot determine when you are being rude or not?
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Phil History Class – depends on content – does your class include Bangsa Moro topics? baka naman si Zaide ang author ng history book nyo
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Anne Boleyn Reply:
March 2nd, 2010 at 11:49 pm
Nature vs. Nurture. ang tanga mo boy.
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ChinoF Reply:
March 2nd, 2010 at 6:31 am
OK, if the Spaniards and Americans teach us to “be bad,” then why did we listen? Pinipikot nga tayo, bakit pa rin tayo nakikinig? Filipinos had the choice to choose their own way… but they frickin’ didn’t. People may show you how to be rude, but you can choose NOT to be rude… that’s where the Filipinos hit by Iya’s article fail.
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Lala Reply:
March 2nd, 2010 at 6:47 am
That’s assuming that ill behaviour was unheard of before colonizers came. Still, it’s irrelevant.
Saying he’s rude today because Spaniards and Americans made his great grandparents rude makes it one of the top 10 biggest wimp-outs I’ve ever heard.
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ChinoF Reply:
March 2nd, 2010 at 9:35 am
Passing the buck. So typical of people who want to avoid admitting their own mistakes.
Wander-ruh Reply:
March 23rd, 2010 at 12:31 am
This is the classic rotten line of thinking that has been plaguing Pinoys since God knows when. What do you mean, “who made us rude?” It is nobody’s fault that we ARE the way we are. To blame it all on the foreign powers that occupied the Philippines–the last of which happened some 70 years ago–is stupid.
Filipinos are rude because they CHOSE to be that way. You can’t blame your stupidity on someone else if no one is forcing you to not use your brain.
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okay, so from the very beginning, mga tanga ang Filipinos.
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ChinoF Reply:
March 2nd, 2010 at 9:36 am
Ikaw nag sabi nun, di kami.
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“Everytime I go the the US it seems as if I never want to go back to the Philippines where everything is dirty, not to mention irritating. Even if I have spent my whole life in this country, I am still not used to encountering rude people whether at the mall or in the LRT/MRT”
iya, dude.. fix your life.. Pilipino ka ren! and fuck i saw your picture and talagang magiging rude ako dahil mukha mong napaka-antipatika ng itsura.. antipatika na nga mukhang pang tambutso ng auto.. well, kung ayaw mo dito sa Pilipinas kung madami kang reklamo get the F out of here.. di ka namin kailngan dito. for all we know ganyan ka ren.. hypocrita pa.. lumayas ka na dito sa Pilipinas.. andami mong alam wala ka namang ginagawa? and dami mong gusto and reklamo.. di mo man lang kasi alam yung mga nararamdaman ng taong nagMMRT madami sa kanila mga minimum wage earners lalo na sa umaga.. minsan below minimum pa.. talagang magiging rude/bastos sila kasi sino ba nmng matutuwa sa sitwasyon ng buhay nila.. hindi pa pwede intindihin?? paguunawa?? well, ginawa mo itong article na to.. sa tingin ko wala ka talagang pagguunawa kahit sa sarili mo.. You gave the US as an example na ayaw mo na bumalik dito pag andun ka..bakit? kasi malamang andun ka sa magagandang lugar sa amerika.. naranasan mo na ba tumira sa “projects” ng amerika.. nakita mo na ba sitwasyon ng buhay nila dun? na gumagawa sila ng krimen para lang may panggastos? isipin mo nalang mas maraming ganito sa Pilipinas.. pag tulog at pagunawa ang kailngan hindi isang artikulong tunkol sa pagiging bastos ng pilipino.. Critical Thinking sabi mo sa propesor mo? sya simple lang ang sinasabi.. hindi mo kailngan pagaralan.. PAGUNAWA! tama na pgrereklamo mo! wala kang kwenta..
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Ma Xianding Reply:
March 2nd, 2010 at 8:35 am
Another ad hominem rampage from an emo. Giving excuses to Filipinos for rudeness. That “pang unawa” has been the bane of the Filipinos. Thats why mediocrity continues because of too much “pang unawa”. People rather rely on Willie Revillame’s “pang unawa” than work for their betterment.
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atenista Reply:
March 2nd, 2010 at 9:43 am
pagunawa is one of the reasons that seperates us from animals.. and dude… willie revillame only uses the poor to make millions and gain popularity.. totally different if youre a normal guy who tries to understand rather than a showbiz personality who gives money for his own satisfatcion and popularity..
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Lala Reply:
March 2nd, 2010 at 10:06 am
If you’re so smart, what’s preventing you from applying pag-unawa to this article? (Never mind your hostility towards the author. Focus on the article.) Tell us how your being so high and mighty is not just a load of hypocrisy.
Make it quick; the decaf won’t keep me awake for long.
ChinoF Reply:
March 2nd, 2010 at 9:16 am
Parang sinasabi mo, dahil mahirap ang mga Pinoy, may karapatan maging bastos o gumawa ng mali. Onga, puede mo silang unawaan, pero hindi puedeng palampasin ang mga mali nila. Hindi excuse ang pagiging mahirap para gumawa ng mali. Yan ang critical thinking, pare.
Atenista din ako, dong… hindi ka nagiisip na parang tunay na Atenista. >:-)
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atenista Reply:
March 2nd, 2010 at 9:39 am
hindi ko sinasabi na pwede na silang maging bastos.. ineexplain ko lang ang isang posibleng paraan kung bakit ganun ang nangyayari sa nirereklamo ng author.. at hindi ko sinasabi na ginamitan ko ng critical thinking yung mga sinabi ko sa taas.. ang sinasabi ko pagunawa lang ang kailngan.. simpleng ehemplo na lang e.. siningitan ka sa linya, sabihan mo ng boss, mali yan.. pumila kayo. hindi mo kailngan gumawa ng artikulo tunkol sa pagiging bastos ng PILIPINO at ginawa nyang general. hndi ren ito makakatulong kasi wala nmn shang gagawin tunkol sa sinulat nya e.. ituwid ang mali wag nang ipamukha at ingud ngod sa pmamagitan ng ganitong artikulo.. yun naman pala e.. atenista ka.. unawa lang lang at pagtulong.. di ka bagay maging Atenista at wala kang karapatan tawaging isang Atenista.. GUNG-GONG!!
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Lala Reply:
March 2nd, 2010 at 9:58 am
So you’d be perfectly okay with everybody being completely inconsiderate towards you basta they’re having a bad day, a bad week, a bad month, a bad year, or a terrible life, is that it? Because life isn’t too kind to these people, okay lang na bastusin ka nila, is that right? Didn’t think so.
Last time I checked, we’re still in a democracy. Too bad for you.
I was going to say “Don’t embarrass your school, please.” But right now, I seriously doubt you’re actually Atenean. You’re just too dumb to be one.
Batang Tondo, is that you rearing your ugly head AGAIN?
@AP guys, is this that Batang Tondo troll? Somebody check please. I don’t have all evening to clean up after his droppings.
ChinoF Reply:
March 2nd, 2010 at 9:59 am
Hindi kailangan gumawa ng artikulo? Hinde, pare, kailangan na kailangan ang ganitong article, kasi talagang matigas ang ulo ni Pinoy. Kasama dapat ng pagunawa ay isang malakas na batok!
Itong article ay ang batok, at kailangan nito sa Pinas.
Filinos rude?? do you have facts, studies or surveys to support your claim?
bkit? sa tingin mo ba, ni minsan hindi nging rude yng mga ibang lahi??
iha, wg kng maggeneralize ng wla kang valid statistical facts..
at tandaan mo pinoy ka din, kinakain ka ng sarili mong article.. hahahah
@Lala,
tnga mo nman.
okay ka ha, 300+ years *lang* nman…tayong nacolonize ng 3 bansa…
so sa tingin mo wlang epekto yun sa pag-iisip ng nakararami sa atin??
obvious na obvious n nga sa inaasal mo ngaun eh.. hindi k b ngtka kung
bakit you feel bad about your own???
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Ma Xianding Reply:
March 2nd, 2010 at 8:33 am
The rudeness and disorder of Filipinos is very evident in contrast to Singaporeans, Japanese, Americans, Europeans and other progressive countries whose status we want Filipinos to achieve. If you have been to those places you will see. Of course there are rude and disorderly people there too but it is more pronounce in The Philippines. I am sure you heard of “Filipino Time”. Being late is rude. It shows lack of respect to the other person who did his or her best to follow the hectic timetable. It is also a sign of laziness.
Being colonized is not an excuse. There are so many countries of the world that were colonized and are still orderly. In fact, Hawaii is still a colony and the people there are orderly.
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lul ;) Reply:
March 2nd, 2010 at 9:12 am
so what do you think is the cause of Filipinos being rude then?
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ChinoF Reply:
March 2nd, 2010 at 9:31 am
Here is my take on the cause:
http://antipinoy.com/philippine-corruption-as-above-so-it-is-below/
And as the severely erroneous Atenista said, they’re poor, so they think they deserve to be rude. What a ridiculous opinion that condones wrongdoing. Our country will never rise up from poverty that way.
Lala Reply:
March 2nd, 2010 at 9:40 am
Here’s a clue for the intellectually encumbered:
Filipinos are rude because
- it can be seen everywhere, so Pinoys go “hey, if they’re allowed to be complete jerks, why not me?”
- it’s tolerated or ignored
- it’s accepted as typical, practically expected
- it’s justified by dimwits who blame colonizers
Filipinos are rude because there’s nothing about Pinoy life that severely punishes the Pinoy for acting like a complete @ss.
If Singapore’s anti-littering policy were strictly enforced here, you might find half your neighborhood in prison. I suppose you will be keeping them company, eh?
ChinoF Reply:
March 2nd, 2010 at 9:10 am
Mukhang wala kang mata, Lul. Aba, yan pala ang tawag mo sa sarili mo, ehhe. King di mo nakikita na rude ang mga maraming Pinoy dito sa Manila, eh di nagbubulagbulagan ka.
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lul ;) Reply:
March 2nd, 2010 at 9:15 am
ginegeneralize niya kc e, which i dont like
prang ganito o,
sabihin ko na lhat ng Filipino mabaho…
kc nung tuwing sumasakay ako ng LRT ang baho nila..
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ChinoF Reply:
March 2nd, 2010 at 9:28 am
Bakit, totoo naman eh. Ako sumasakay ng MRT, agree ako sa obserbasyon ni Iya. Tama ang sinasabi niya. Sa SIngapore, hihintay muna na lumabas ang mga pasahero bago pumasok ang mga sasakay. Sa MRT natin, di pa tapos lumabas mga pasahero, saksak kaagad na mga sasakay, itutulak pa paloob ang mga lalabas pa. Talagang rude. Eh kahit anung pinto ng MRT nakikita ko yan, so paano nagiging mali maggeneralize nito? Tama naman eh. Paano naman magiging mali si Iya, eh totoo ang sinasabi niya, eh? Mata mo lang yata may diperensiya Lul. Di dapat kaawaan mga Filipino na bastos, managot sila sa ginagawa nilang mali.
Ma Xianding Reply:
March 2nd, 2010 at 9:33 am
Thats why it is a generalization because it talks in general. Ibig sabihin karamihan. Common sense naman.
Lala Reply:
March 2nd, 2010 at 9:30 am
I pull myself away to sip a little decaf and all you could come up with is “tnga mo nman” ??? Tsk tsk tsk.
I suppose we already expected a wimp to wimp-out further out of his earlier wimp-out (try to follow because this may be out of your league, thanks to 300+ years of colonization) right?
Grow up and grow a pair.
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lul ;) Reply:
March 2nd, 2010 at 9:49 am
ate sori sa kanina, ndala lng ako ng emosyon.
uhm pwede po pakitagalog, hindi ko kc mxado maintindihan sori.
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Wander-ruh Reply:
March 23rd, 2010 at 12:40 am
So ibig bang sabihin, dahil sa na-occupy tayo ng Spain, Britain, US at Japan for so long ay ok lang na maging bastos tayo hanggang ngayon?
Kung ikaw ba ang sinisingitan sa pila, sasabihin mo lang ba na, “OK lang yan na sumingit si Mokong sa pila dahil na-occupy ang Pilipinas ng mga banyaga.”
Pag may bastos na nagtapon ng basura sa maling lugar, dapat ba na sabihin “Unawain na lang natin sya dahil 300+ years na na-occupy ng Spain ang Pilipinas. Malamang Katoliko din yan.”
Kapag may bastos at walang modong salahula na dumudura sa publiko, OK lang ba na sabihing “Ayos lang yan, dahil na-occupy tayo ng Japan from 1941 to 1945.”
So ano pa ang dahilan nag pagkakaroon ng utak at sariling pag-iisip? Paano natin masasabi na malaya ang bansang Pilipinas kung hindi makapag-desisyon ang bawat indibidwal na huwag sumingit sa pila, na hindi dapat magtapon ng basura sa kung saan-saan, at hindi dapat dumura sa publiko? Hindi ba’t ang kalayaan ay naayon din sa pagpili ng paggawa ng tama?
If you blame it all on the supposed and alleged “conditioning” left by the foreign powers that occupied this country, para mo na rin sinabing PARANG HAYOP ANG MGA PILIPINO dahil hindi sila marunong gumamit ng utak nila at walang free will.
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LAGING NSA STATES COOL MO UNGAS! mukha kapang igorot! may pambili ka pa pala ng ticket para makapunta sa america? mukha kang tga smokey mountain e
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Ma Xianding Reply:
March 2nd, 2010 at 9:52 am
Pinoy ka nga. You have proven the point of this website.
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lul ;) Reply:
March 2nd, 2010 at 9:58 am
*sigh* i hate to admit, but yes, Filipinos are rude.
mga tao sa LRT nagsisiksikan sa pintuan putek yn d ako mkapasok…
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ChinoF Reply:
March 2nd, 2010 at 10:04 am
Salamat naman naintindihan mo. Kita mo rin sa mga nagdidisagree sa punto ng author dito. Kailangan emo pa. Rude nga, no?
oo kupal ka! pinoy ako! ano gusto mo?!
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lul ;) Reply:
March 2nd, 2010 at 10:04 am
sorry sa mga nasabi ko knina… ndala lng ako
haaaayyyyy
truth hurtss pero kailangan tlga e…
tama tama,
recognizing the problem is the first vital step
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lul ;) Reply:
March 2nd, 2010 at 10:06 am
i hope na we can still change our ways pa. for the better
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ChinoF Reply:
March 2nd, 2010 at 10:16 am
Yes, keep on hoping. In this blogsite, the writers offer insights that lead to solutions. And keep on thinking along with the hoping.
ChinoF Reply:
March 2nd, 2010 at 10:05 am
Di ka Pinoy, tol… you are the true ANTI-PINOY.
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kung ikaw kaya batukan ko!? dami mo kasing alam at sinasabi.. wala ka naman ginagawa! gago!
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Lala Reply:
March 2nd, 2010 at 10:10 am
The Philippines has an unlimited supply of ballsy morons like this guy.
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Ma Xianding Reply:
March 2nd, 2010 at 10:47 am
I don’t know about ballsy but I am sure he is a moron.
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Lala Reply:
March 2nd, 2010 at 10:12 am
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Nakapagabroad ka na akala mo sino ka nang sosyal! tumingin ka nga sa salamin! Ginawa mo pang example ung lrt/mrt porket naitulak ka lang haha!
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PINOY Reply:
March 2nd, 2010 at 10:15 am
oo nga cooldudz.. parang NANA.. tgnan mo nmn yung mukha talagang itututak yan.. buti nga tulak lang ang inabot e! hahahaha!!!
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Lala Reply:
March 2nd, 2010 at 10:26 am
Okay. This troll is officially boring me to sleep.
Had a long day again.
Cooldudz aka Pinoy, big L-sign on the forehead for you.
Good night, everyone.
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ikaw ang true BADING! BAKLA! JOKLA! INA MO!
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Lala Reply:
March 2nd, 2010 at 10:18 am
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daming reklamo e no? pati yung nagssing along pinapakealaman eh. Di ka lang inimbit sa birthday party e!
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PINOY Reply:
March 2nd, 2010 at 10:19 am
oo pare.. daming alam ng babaeng to.. balita ko shota nya ung prof nya sa dlsu e.. tas binreakan.. ayun galit na galit.. nagalit sa mundo.. lalo na sa pinoy
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deyuuummm son!
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pwede pala mga ganyan sa lasalle? haha panira ah.. nakaligo ka na ba sa dagat ng basura
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PINOY Reply:
March 2nd, 2010 at 10:26 am
ako hindi pa.. pero yung author oo ata e..
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Ma Xianding Reply:
March 2nd, 2010 at 10:42 am
Post lang ng post so you will prove this website right. You are two prime speciments that this website describes.
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COOLDUDZ Reply:
March 2nd, 2010 at 10:45 am
hayuuuuppp cool
haha plagay ko nga.. dami daming reklamo kala mo naman may magagawa! pinaiyak pa ng prof ano to preschool haha
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ang dami na kasing responses, ang hirap nang sumabay. And ang daming “matatalino” kasi dito. hirap basahin, ang hahaba and puro galit yung mga salita.
*****first disclaimer: there are naturally rude people everywhere, in every race, so yung sagot ko, more on the GENERAL FILIPINO/RACE. This doesn’t discount the fact that there are just rude people in the world.
*****Sanay tayo maging alipin (spaniards, americans, japanese, marcos). We were not prepared for Freedom. Yung inferiority complex lumabas, ayaw nang malamangan. “Never again”. Kaya it may appear as rude. Defense-mechanism dahil takot nang magpaalipin.
*****You will do as the master tells you for fear of punishment. Otherwise, you wouldn’t know what to do. Kung walang rules na na-disseminate, chances are, walang susunod sa “commonsensical rules”.
I grew up in the province, and sa totoo lang, di ako marunong sumakay ng elevator dati. Pagbukas ng door, papasok ako kaagad. It wasn’t until I went into one building na may arrows at sinabihan ng kasama ko na dapat mauna muna yung mga pababa kesa dun sa papasok, I probably wouldn’t know. Siguro akala nung ibang tao, I was being rude. I wasn’t. I just didn’t know.
I echo Kahlil’s comment on those signs sa MRT and yung audal cues: please stand back from the doors, wait behind the yellow line. Nakakatulong yun.
*****If there’s no punishment, there may not be behavioral change
During my first time in Singapore sabi: Bawal kumain ng bubble gum, bawal manigarilyo, bawal di magflush ng toilet…lahat may multa. Tapos lahat may sign ng “fine”. Siyempre, takot ako. Sunod talaga ako sa rules.
Sa Davao din ganun. Sabi no smoking kahit sa kalye. Huhulihin ka. And yung asawa ng officemate ko, di sumunod hinuli nga. Sa airplane pa lang, the flight attendant would say: “Davao is a non-smoking City”. Kaya ayun, people just don’t smoke anywhere and they tell people who intend to go to Davao not to smoke anywhere.
Sa Subic, hinuli ako ng pulis kasi meron palang malaking “stop” sign tapos ng “halfstop” lang ako at hindi full-stop. Kaya everytime I go to Subic, I make sure to follow these rules. Sa Makati, I had an officemate who got caught alighting the bus in a “loading” zone eh dapat sa “unloading zone.” di na sya umulit.
Sure, sure, Ignorance of the Law excuses no one. And sometimes it’s not ignorance but the lack of credibility of said “rules”. Hangga’t di nakikitang seriously implemented, baka “joke” lang.
It’s also a question of norms/customs. For some, rude to spit on the floor. For some cultures, it’s accepted. Yung pag-ihi sa pader, san ba nanggaling yan? Some may find that rude, pero wala pa namang nakukulong dahil umihi sa pader.
Again, ARE FILIPINOS RUDE?
Kung naturally rude ang Pilipino, bakit nakakasunod tayo ng rules kapag nasa ibang bansa tayo?
So kung ako ang tatanungin: ARE FILIPINOS RUDE?
My answer would be I don’t think so. We just don’t know any better.
WHAT DO WE DO NOW?
1. Education: ng basic GMRC, basic etiquette, basic rules/laws
2. Enforcement: kapag nakita nilang it’s a “serious” rule, susunod yan
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ChinoF Reply:
March 2nd, 2010 at 11:36 pm
That’s a good take on it, Migs. Good observations. On your “What do we do now…”
Why don’t we do it now na nga?! >:-)
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HOY MA XIANDING! COOL MO! HAHAHA
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I agree. Unfortunately, all you have to do is look at the current TV programming and realize… you have to wait for everyone who is 20 who watches that shit growing up as kids to die of old age before any change is possible. And since those dumbasses are multiplying so fast, fat chance. this isn’t a country anymore. it’s a series of feudal estates held together by an idea that they can be a country. One day you will see Mindanao split and go with the other southern hemisphere countries that are more aligned with their faith anyways. I am surprised they still hang around, actually. If I was a Mindanaoan, I’d have joined the separatists long ago.
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Is po akong estudyante ng FEU at masugid na tagasubaybay ng blog na ito. Binabati ko po ang Antipinoy author na si Iya Justimbaste she is very cute and she writes very cutely too. I like her style parang tigreng matapang pero maganda. Rawr!
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Hoy miss iya, kaya mo naman nasasabi na ayaw mo ng bumalik sa lugar na ito dahil madumi at magulo kumpara sa estados unidos, isip isipin m naman kasi na first world country sila at tayo third lang. malaki ang pagkakaiba natin. atsaka, ano bang problema sa pag kakaraoke/ videoke kung gusto ng tao? sa US na pinakamamahal mo may mga nagpaparty na ng alas dos ng umaga na ubod ng lakas sa mga subdivision dn naman ah, minsan nga nagkakasuntukan pa at may mga police pang kasama. siguro d ka pa nakaranas noon. at yang sitwasyon mo sa lrt/ mrt, kung ayaw mo yang nakikita/ nararanasan mo mag taxi ka! mag bus ka! mag fx ka! o kaya naman, dahil napaka hipokrita mo, bumili ka ng sasakyan m. kung aangal ka sa trafik, gumawa ka ng sarili mong daanan.
ang daming problema ng bansang ito, at ang dami mong pwedeng itulong pero and iniisip mo lang ay ang sarili mo. kasi alam mo bakit? gahaman ka! kasi self-centerd ka at ang mundo mo umiikot lang jan sa utak mo na napakakitid at napakaliit.
kung ayaw mo dito wag kang bumalik. hindi ka rin namin gusto dito. walang makakamiss sayo. hindi kailangan ng Pilipinas ng taong magtatapak sa dignidad nya. oo mga pilipino kadalasan nakakhiya na,aminan na to, pero mali pa rin na tapakan mo pagkatao ng iba porket mas maykaya ka lang, mas may itsura, mas may pinag aralan ka lang.
FYI, hindi ka anti-pinoy, dahil sa mga pinagsasabi m, hindi ka na dpat pang tinatawag na pinoy. walang utang na loob. magpa bleach ka, mag pa blonde ng buhok, mag lagay ng contacts na blue at sumiksik ka doon sa bumabagsak mong estados unidos. sumiksik ka doon sa libo libong taong nawawalan ng trabaho, libo libong taong nawawalan ng bahay at libo libong taong nagbabayad ng buwis para pondohan ang isang gera walang patutunguhan. yun yung gusto mo db?…
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Ma Xianding Reply:
March 4th, 2010 at 9:38 am
Sa Pilipinas milyon milyon ang walang trabaho at pinopondohan ng buwis nyo ay hindi Gera na may layunin kundi mga mansion ng mga opisyal ng gubyerno niyo at mga condo ng kabit nila. Oo may mga nagvivideoke din sa US pero hindi kasing laganap katulad ng sa Pilipinas. At mabuti yun ang Police sa USA kapag may nag videoke ng malakas pupuntahan nila at MATITIGIL ito. Sa Pilipinas hindi. Ang mga Police mangangatwiran na “Birthday po kasi eh”. Yan ang KAIBAHAN.
MAG ISIP KA NAMAAAAAAN. Tama si Iya.
*bow*
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Iya Justimbaste Reply:
March 4th, 2010 at 10:46 am
Wow, are you even listening to yourself?
BTW, I am still here. Still suffering from encountering rude people everywhere like yourself. Your excuses for your idiotic countrymen are funny. I couldn’t stop laughing at every sentence you blurted. Your advice-to take the cab instead of the mrt is a lame lame excuse. Instead of solving the problem- stopping people from pushing themselves, you give this retarded solution. Why if all Filipinos think like you, this country is never going to progress. I assume you’ve grown accustomed to the rudeness of the Filipinos or- you’re one of em! Either way, it sucks to be you.
And what dignity are you talking about anyway? If you guys have dignity, you wouldn’t be doing that stuff right? I did not step on your so-called “dignity”. I just gave you a clear observation that you can’t deny hence, you gave me weird and pathetic advices. LOL!
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Arvin Reply:
March 4th, 2010 at 5:58 pm
Ms Kaye, sa palagay mo ba magkakaroon na ng disiplina at konsiderasyon sa kapwa ang mga bastos sa LRT/MRT kapag nag-taxi o nag-bus ang mga taong nagrereklamo at nagsusulat ng observation nila? Anlabo ng “solusyon” mo, ipinapakita pa nga lang sa atin kung ano ang problema (paulit-ulit na nga e, siguro naman di lang isang beses ka nakabasa ng mga ganito) – tapos isa-suggest mo agad na iwasan na lang yun? E wala talagang mangyayari kung lahat tayo ganito mag-isip.
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ok, so before everything else, gusto ko lng sabhn na i think i used the wrong words to say what i wanna say. im sorry. my emotions got the best of me and iv said things i shouldnt have,and i know these are not enough to justify my harsh? words. pero ung iba kong sinabi im gonna stand by it.
actually, ang gusto ko lng tlga sbhn is, instead of complaining, sna gumawa na lang tayo ng paraan para maresolba mga ito. Ayun. Alam ko, marami sa atin naiirita na dahil kahit ano gawin natin paulit ulit pa rin yung kurakot at pandadaya na nagyayari, aaminin ko isa ako sa mga tao na yon. pero, kahit papaano, wag sna tayo mawalan ng pag asa na pwede ba mag bago ang mga pinoy. kasi, kung tayo mismo na mga pilipino ganito ang tingin sa ating bansa at kapwa mamamayan, eh di wala ng mangyayari talaga sa atin. Kung siguro gusto natin ng pagbabago, simulan natin sa atin. wala naman kasi mangyayari kung aangal lang tayo. ayan, nasasabi ko na ng mahinahon gusto kong iparating. at yung isyu sa lrt at mrt, kaya ko lang siguro nasabi iyon dahil kht noong pumunta ako sa ibang bansa, naranasan ko rin naman yong ganoon tulakan at siksikan hindi lang naman dito. at sa pagkakaraoke, ayang ugali nating yan, ang pagiging festive parang kasama na ng tradisyon at kultura natin eh, hindi ba’t namana natin sa mga Kastila iyon? pero hindi ko ipinagtatanggol ang pagiging maingay nila dahil pwede din sila makasuhan pag talagang sobrang nambubulabog na sila ng ibang tao.
Ayan, basta main point ko lng talaga sana instead na umangal tayo hanapan nalang natin ng solusyon ang mga problema na to. at sana hindi tayo mawalan ng pag-asa at pagtitiwala sa bayan natin. kung sa tingin natin na kahit palitan ang presidente eh walang mangyayari, eh di palitan natin ang sistema at pananaw natin. ayun.
lagi kong sinasabi na respect is something that u earn and sa mga nasabi ko nung una alam ko iv shown u ms. iya na im not worth any of ur respect, so i admit my mistake there but still just wanna say sorry hindi dahil nagmamabuti ako pero dahil alam ko na ako mismo mali mga nasabi ko. so ayun.
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Ma Xianding Reply:
March 6th, 2010 at 2:50 pm
You are a good person for saying sorry to Iya. Kiss and make up na kayong dalawa.
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Kaye says: “actually, ang gusto ko lng tlga sbhn is, instead of complaining, sna gumawa na lang tayo ng paraan para maresolba mga ito.”
As Parallax said: “the author ALREADY DID SOMETHING about it-
she told everyone who can read it to NOT BE LIKE THAT.”
Well said. I wonder why others have difficulty comprehending that.
“lagi kong sinasabi na respect is something that u earn and sa mga nasabi ko nung una alam ko iv shown u ms. iya na im not worth any of ur respect… so ayun.”
I believe the author is not COMPLAINING or asking to be showered with RESPECT but simply pointing out pinoy TRAITS that need to be changed/improved. If you backread further, you would have been more enlightened. Instead of your knees, use the upper part.
Aside from being rude, do yourself a favor hija, improve on your writing. Using text lingo and non-caps displays the kind of character the writer has. Would you want to blame the kastila again or the pinoy culture?
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“Even when you say “excuse me”, they will pretend they did not hear you.”
Oh! Right on that one.
Actually I have my share of sentiments on this word “excuse me”.
And this particular experience is one of them that I can vividly remember how pissed off I am of one our so called kababayan.
In the grocery lane, a woman pass me because a friend of her already lined up for her ahead of me.
This is one of the small things I easily get sore about. When they notice how annoyed I was she said, “Magkasama kami eh” I remarked her “As an act of courtesy you could have said excuse me”. Dumbfounded, her friend ask her if she said excuse me and the woman who butted her way said “Hindi ko naman natamaan bakit ako mag e-excuse?”. (Boom! Sabog!)
simpleng pakikiraan lang hindi na sinabi, magdahilan pa.
Excuse me ho!
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>Filipinos Don’t Know How to Fall In Line and Yield to Right Way
Yep its true I was in the front in the waiting station when the train comes in people on my back began to move forwad that almost fall me in the railway. What is wrong with them.
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“mukha kapang igorot! “
do you have a problem with indigenous peoples in the north?
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poor dude tsk tsk…
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I think I hate Filipino taxi drivers the most! They’re the worst taxi drivers ever.
They have this mentality that if a person looks rich (such as a foreigner) they would abuse them and try to contract a fare with them beyond what they we’re supposed to be paid for…
And to be honest… EVERY one of these taxi drivers are!
In other countries such as Japan, if the taxi driver got lost in the way, he won’t charge you anything. Here they really circle their cabs in every corner of the streets and tells you that he went on the wrong way where in fact the real reason was he wanted you to pay more.
And don’t even get me started with how jeepney drivers and bus drivers because they’re the most inconsiderate people when it comes in the road! Even Pedicab drivers are so uneducated!
Nakakahiya talaga… hay…
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FUCK CHINESE PEOPLE LIVING HERE IN THE PHILIPPINES. Wala na silang ginawa kung hindi unahan / agawan ang mga Pilipinong trabahador at may maliliit na business! Wag mo sasabihin na mali lang dumiskarte ang mga Pilipino, di hamak na racist ang ganun. Bastusan lang kasi talaga yang mga Chinese na yan!
Biruin mo ngayon ko lang nalaman, sa tabi ng Manila Doctors College, ang mga unang iccater lang na newly graduated nurses eh yung galing sa Chiang Kai Shiek na school! WTF?! Alam ko lupa ni George Ty yung katabi ng school kasi binili nya yun from Sy (yung may ari ng MOA, SM) eh bakit naman ganun? pano yung sarili nyang students from Manila Doctors College? And the fact na GOVERNMENT HOSPITAL YUN! siguradong sinulsulan nnman ng mga intsek na yan yung gubyerno.
I got my fucking facts straight kasi dad ko engineer doon.
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ChinoF Reply:
June 3rd, 2010 at 2:16 pm
HIndi kaya higit na racist ang ginagawa mo sa pagbintang mo sa mga Chinese dito sa Pilipinas? Eh nasa kultura ng Chinese ang pagiging masipag. Nasa kultura ng Pilipino ang tamad. Kaya nga madali sakupin tayo ng Spain, kasi tamad noon pa ang mga Pilipino. Sorry, you still didn’t get your facts straight about Chinese. Are you sure lahat ng Chinese ganun? Engineer ang dad mo doon, pero tama pa rin ba ang analysis niya dun? Please come back with more facts and less hatred para mas mapapaniwalaan ka.
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HalleluyahHymen Reply:
June 3rd, 2010 at 8:15 pm
Maling mentality yan brod.
Ayon sa mga researches ang mga Pinoy ay hinubog ng sistema para maging empleyado. Ibig sabihin ang mga paaralan, kolehiyo at unibersidad, ay nagbibigay lamang ng mga kurso para maging empleyado ka at hindi para mag aari ng isang negosyo. Ayun din sa mga pagsusuri… sa malakihang pananaw or on the aggregate… hindi encouraging ang kultura ng pinoy sa pag – aari ng negosyo. pag nagsisimula ka pa lang mababa ang tingin sa ‘yo ng mga kamag anak mo dahil nagbebenta ka lang ng sapatos, pagkain, damit, mane… etc… Pero pag naging successful ang negosyo, lahat ng mga kamag-anak naman ay makiki “ride on” sa isang taong “successful” sa negosyo nya sa pamamagitan ng pag-utang, pag hingi ng trabaho, pag tulog sa bahay etc… isa ito sa sanhi ng pagkabagsak ng maliliit na negosyo sa Pinas.
Bukod dyan… dahil kalimitan hindi marunong sa simpleng proseso sa pagnenegosyo katulad ng accounting… napapaghalo nya ang mga accounting entries… di alam i segregate kung ano ang kita (income) at budget sa bahay. akala nya ang expenses ng pamilya o bahay nya ay parte ng negosyo…. in the end hindi nya ma monitor kung lumalaki ang negosyo o nalulugi… ang accounting entries nya ay DEBIT, CREDIT… KUPIT (kinukupitan ng anak, asawa at kamag anak)
Ang mga intsik ay matatyaga… nagsisimula sa maliliit… pinag aaralang mabuti kung ano ang kalakalan ng isang bagay o serbisyo na pwedeng ibenta… encouraging ang kultura ng mga intsik dito sa pinas sa kanilang mga kaanak. hindi nila minamata ang isang tao na gustong magsimula ng negosyo bagkus binibigyan pa nila ito ng puhunan para makapagsimula.
wag mong i blame ang di pagkakaroon ng negosyo ng pinoy dito… kasalanan yan ng kultura at sarili nila. ang mga tumutulong sa mga Pinoy ay mga intsik. yang mga malalaking kumpanya katulad ng mga pag aari ng mga LOPEZES, COJUANGCO, AYALA at mga myembro ng MBC ang mga nagpapasakit sa ekonomiya natin. ang industriya na ginagalawan nila ay dependent sa importation ng raw materials at hindi produksyon mula sa mga yamang matatagpuan sa pilipinas… (endogenous resources)… kokonte ang manufacturing companies dito… ang nandito mga ASSEMBLY COMPANIES… katulad ng Mitsubishi, Honda, Toyota…. kahit food manufacturing yung 90 to 99 percent ng raw materials ay imported.. Alaska, New Zealand Creamery… etc…. mga gatas at trigo (wheat).
Ang nakikita mo lamang ay yung mga nasa paligid mong pinoy na di naka angat dahil sa kultura ng kamangmangan… ang mga nagpapasakit sa atin ay hindi mga intsik… yang mga yan ang minsan nagbibigay pa ng negosyo at trabaho sa mga maliliit nating kababayan… tingnan mo ang takbo ng cellphone na dual sim, ang mga damit na binebenta sa baclaran at iba pang mga electronics na binebenta sa bangketa. Yung affordability and accessibility ng mga “leisure gadgets” katulad ng MP3 at DVD players yang mga tinitira mong intsik ang nagbigay sa mga kababayan mo na mangmang sa pagnenegosyo.
Medyo lawakan natin ang pag iisip natin…
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Bakit kailangan pumila para lang pumasok sa pintuan ng MRT/LRT? ano yan communism! Hirap kasi sau bibisita ka ng Pilipinas tapos sasakay ka ng rush hour sa MRT/LRT at tapos magrereklamo ka. Dapat inuwi mo yun dolyar mo mula sa tate at tapos bumili ka ng auto. meron naman Php150K o US$3.5K lang ang halaga. Feeling mo kasi porket galing ka na amerika ay prinsesa ka na. Ano ba ginagawa mo sa amerika diba’t nakikipag siksikan ka rin sa MRT/LRT o subway. susko naman sa susunod ng anti-pinoy campaign mo ay sana gagamitan mo ng konting talino.
Mali mali sinasabi mo tungkol sa pilipino. siempre kapag may bisita may handaan at kapag may handaan may videoke at talaga magdamagan yan. tangap naman ng komunidad yan kasi isang araw lang yan mangyayari o kaya ay may espesyal na okasyon. o baka naman may handaan ang kapit bahay nyo at hindi ka imbitado kaya ka naiirita. sya pala kung ayaw mo maistorbo marami motel na mura Php300 at makakatulog ka na ng magdamag. mas mura din yun earplug kung sobrang tipid ka sa budget.
Higit sa lahat ay totoong feeling superior ang pilipino kesa sa iba. bakit nga ba nag survived ang mga pinoys despite of hardship in life. kaya namin solusyunan ang kakulangan sa buhay at pagtiisan kung ano meron kami.
e ikaw, wala na nga ang angal angal mo pa… hahahahhahaha
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ChinoF Reply:
June 3rd, 2010 at 2:10 pm
Grabe, eh di isa ka sa totoong anti-Pinoy… walang disiplina, OK lang sa iyo maingayan ang ibang tao, OK lang ang hardship sa iyo basta “survived” lang… tell me, maayos na buhay ba ang gusto mo? Mukhang dinedepensahan ang mga mali ng Pilipino, ah. Halimbawa sa videokehan… gusto mo na hindi ka makatulog sa lakas ng ingay ng videokehan? O sa MRT, OK lang sa iyo na tutulak ka hanggang di ka nakasakay sa tren at na-late ka sa trabaho? Mukhang ayaw mo ng kaayusan at pagbabago sa bansa natin a. Anong karapatan mag feeling superior ang Filipino kung mali naman ang ginagawa? Binabati kita, Tunay na Anti-Pinoy.
Isa ka sa mga dahilan kung bakit paurong ang bansa natin.
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HalleluyahHymen Reply:
June 3rd, 2010 at 8:33 pm
hindi ka naman siguro sumasakay ng MRT/LRT eh kaya humihirit ka ng ganyan… o siguro isa kang snatcher o mandurukot gaya gusto mo ng siksikan at tulakan. ba’t ayaw mo ng pila? sa bangko nga pumipila… sa terminal ng bus pumipila… sa jeepney terminal din…
putangnang videoke yan… ok sana kung magaling kumanta… umaatungal na parang kambing o baboy buong magdamag… ikaw siguro yun… isaksak mo sa kokote mo…. ANG TAONG DI MARUNONG KUMANTA WALANG KARAPATANG MAG VIDEOKE… dun sila sa videoke pubs… dun sila umatungal. yan ang pinakapangit na imbensyon ng mga hapon… BINIGYAN NG KARAPATAN ANG MGA TAONG GUSTONG MAG BALADEER AT MAG DIVA… ANG LALAKAS NG LOOB boses PALAKA naman!!!
NUISANCE!!! kung magbabasa ka ng batas nakalagay sa Civil Code ang definition nyan… dapat nga isinama yung illegal possession of ugly videoke voice. dapat ikulong yan ng PUBLIC SCANDAL… pag babae… parang ni re rape… pag lalake… parang si Abnoy na inagawan ng lolipop kung umatungal.
Me despite ka pa at me superior ka pa at may hardship ka pa…. tagalugin mo para maintindihan ng iba…
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Anonylol Reply:
June 3rd, 2010 at 10:20 pm
>”Bakit kailangan pumila para lang pumasok sa pintuan ng MRT/LRT? ano yan communism! “
Hahahaha!
Oh wait, you’re serious!
Hang on, let me laugh harder.
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alam mo ba yun salitang okasyon? ibig sabihin hindi araw araw. mali lang ng impresyon yan si Iya reklamadora.
tulakan sa MRT/LRT? ang pinoy pa kapag tinulak mo baka bunganga mo bumulaklak. eksaherasyon yun sinasabi mo diba.
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Alpa Chino Reply:
June 3rd, 2010 at 2:28 pm
Napakabobo mo Ako’y Pinoy. Promise.
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ChinoF Reply:
June 3rd, 2010 at 2:56 pm
Hindi excuse ang okasyon para gumawa ng mali at pang-inis sa kapwa.
Mas dapat na pumila pa rin ang tao sa MRT dahil walang dayaan at para walang tulakan nga sa MRT. Pag pinilit mo na di maganda ang pilahan, eh di gusto mo pa rin ng kaguluhan at walang kaayusan sa kilos ng tao.
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bokyo Reply:
June 3rd, 2010 at 10:40 pm
parang sinabi mo lang na puede magsiksikan at magsingitan sa kahit anong pila. Ganun lang kadisiplando ang sinasabi mong “Pilipino”
Kaya madalang lang ako nage-MRT eh
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHHA ang pilipino ay masiyahin at palaging naka smile hahahahahahhaha
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ChinoF Reply:
June 3rd, 2010 at 2:58 pm
Pag naka smile or naka tawa kahit hirap na hirap at mamamatay na, baliw na yan.
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I saw an American firing invectives to a pinay sales lady who barely understood him inside a local store.
Two Australian pilots refused to hand over their shoes at NAIA inspection.
Chinese settlers usually insults pinay maids who failed to get their instruction and calling them “Yawa” or “satanas”.
What does the three above tells us?
It’s not pinoys alone who are rude but anyone living in the Philippines! It’s the country itself which is cursing any settlers!
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Mad Man Reply:
June 10th, 2010 at 5:25 am
A Pinay domestic helper was caught on video contemptuously tossing around a Chinese couple’s helpless baby like a rag doll. It became world news back then.
What does that one above tell us?
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Madali lang naman to e.
Sa pagiging disiplinado, pinapakita mo na may respeto ka sa kapwa mo.
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ben Reply:
June 4th, 2010 at 2:45 am
I don’t think discipline is the solution. Discipline will only become natural for people if they themselves have learned to be courteous to one another. So for me, courtesy needs to be taught, and in the long run, discipline becomes a habit. Enforcing discipline will only result to rebellion IMO. Awareness of our surroundings and the people, i.e. courtesy, is what Filipinos lack.
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malamang ikaw ChinoF ay punong puno ng hinanakit sa buhay kaya kahit konti smile ay hindi mo magawa at ngayon naman ay pinakokomplikado mo ang tinuring ko smile at tawanan ng mga pilipino.
simpleng lohika lamang at kung nanamnamin mo ang aking sinabi ay malamang maiintindihan mo ng maayos ang pagkatao ng bawat pilipino. siguro ang lahat ng nilalang sa mundong ito.
uulitin ko ang pilipino hangat magagawang umi-smile at tumawa ay gagawin niya. wala ako nakitang pilipinong namatay sa hirap ng buhay. tulad ng sinabi ko ang pilipino ay magaling gumawa ng paraan at yan ang wala kayo ni Iya. huwag ninyo ituring ang mga pilipino sa mga Instik, Hapon, Amerikano at mga Europyan na kapag may problema ay nagpapatiwakal na lamang.
Huwag ninyo isisi kung maingay ang kapitbahay at wala ka earplug sa tenga. Huwag ninyo isisi kung hindi sapat ang MRT/LRT sa dami ng pinoy na gustong sumakay dito. Ang dapat ninyong gawing ay magisip at maganalisa at alamin ang dulo ng bawat problema. hindi yun akala ninyong tama ay isisi ninyo sa kapwa ninyo pilipino.
ang suhestiyon ko sa iyo ay umi-smile at tumawa ng hindi maging kahabag habag ang inyong buhay. pwede rin naman kayo humingi ng tulong kung earplug at pamasahe pang taxi ang kailangan nyo araw araw. mababait ang pilipino at maunawain, higit sa lahat ay matiisin.
huwag ninyo ikagalit ang pagtutuwid ko sa inyong baluktot na paniniwala. maging mapagpasalamat at nagkakaroon kayo ng pagkakataon at freedom na magsulat sa web ng hindi ini-edit kung may sense o wala ang inyong mga topic. marahil nagpapadami lamang kayo ng hit points o bilang ng nagbabasa o pumapasok dito. HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHA hangang sa susunod ninyong topic mga kababayang mamulat sana sa katotohanan.
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HalleluyahHymen Reply:
June 4th, 2010 at 12:18 am
Naku penoy… kungdi ka nga naman bobo’t kalahati.
Sa MRT/LRT… siksikan dahil walang pila o walang sistema ang pagsakay. sa ibang stations pinag hiwalay lang ang babae at lalake.
Putangnang solusyon yan… mag EARPLUG… BOBO!!! basahin mo ang Civil Code… kaya lang di mo alam yan… ingles yan e. NUISANCE yang videoke na yan… NU WI SANS… ayan i google mo.
Kung gusto mong magtatawa… dun ka sa Mandaluyong Mental Hospital… wag dito. pwe!!!
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Anonylol Reply:
June 4th, 2010 at 12:27 am
Can’t tell if serious or trolling. . . .
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HalleluyahHymen Reply:
June 4th, 2010 at 2:13 am
anonylol… penoy thinks he’s a normal human being. that’s the problem with trolls…
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Mad Man Reply:
June 9th, 2010 at 11:58 pm
Hmm. Ako’y Pinoy has a point. But nothing new to me.
Yes, Pinoys laugh at the face of adversity. Americans cry.
The reason is because most Americans are perfectionists. Psychologists have explained that if a perfectionist person wasn’t able to achieve the things or goals he was aspiring for, he easily becomes depressed and may commit suicide. That’s why America has a higher suicide rate than ours. But their perfectionism has made their country great.
While our mentality just made ours laughable.
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ChinoF Reply:
June 10th, 2010 at 1:06 am
It’s fine to laugh in the face of diversity, but when that diversity is self-inflicted, which is AP’s view of what’s happening here in PI, it ain’t funny anymore.
It’s fine for people to laugh at their own mistakes. We got that idea from America too. Filipinos though seem to prefer laughing at others’ mistakes.
I won’t see suicide rates as a significant social barometer. It depends on you commit suicide. At least in Japan, we see a strong and genuine sense of honor, not the of honor that makes Filipinos onion-skinned.
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Mad Man Reply:
June 10th, 2010 at 5:44 am
I said “adversity,” not “diversity.”
The truth hurts but still is, we cannot deny that most of the Filipinos are rude and thoughtless.
As a Balikbayan, I am having a culture schock in my own home country. Having lived in Europe for many years it is but necessary to compare and yes, Iya, you are RIGHT!
The rudeness starts at the airport when a uniformed official greet you with “pasalubong naman diyan”!
In fairness, they have solved the taxi problems at the airport but outside, you need some luck to get an honest and polite taxi driver.
I have tried the MRT once and never again will I.
Noise pollution is everywhere. In buses, jeepneys, malls and even in the streets. PUVs are blowing their horns to catch passenger. A non-sense habit. A passenger who needs a ride gets in with or without those horn-blowing!
The Karaoke is quite annoying. There should be time limits. Sleeping time should be observed.
Staring at someone is an act of intimidation.
When you complain, you will be tagged as “walang pakisama or mayabang”.
Awareness of the problem is the start of solving the problem. But how to, when people still deny?
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ben Reply:
June 4th, 2010 at 2:40 am
I know how u feel
I came back here around 6 yrs ago and even until now, I can’t accept this culture that we have here.
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Kung walang magpapabastos, walng bastos at mambabastos. Sadly karamihan sa ating nga Pinoy ay bastos dahil marami sa atin ay hindi assretive. Tapos ang dami pang apathetic, walang pakialam kasi ang rason eh, basta at hindi sila ang apektado bahala na si Batman sa inyo. Aminin na natin most Filipinos are undisciplined and the author is merely pointing out what was wrong based on what she had experienced.
Pero hindi ako masyadong agreeable dun sa sinabi niya na “Everytime I go the the US it seems as if I never want to go back to the Philippines where everything is dirty, not to mention irritating.” EVERYTHING? Sobra naman yatang generalization yon. Everything is dirty? OA mo naman, pasyal ka sa Bohol at Palawan at Subic baka medyo mabago ang perception mo tungkol sa bansa mo. Rudeness din yon at pambabastos sa Pilipinas. Mamasyal ka dito at wag lang puro USA ang maganda sa iyo para naman lumawak ang pananaw mo.
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ChinoF Reply:
June 4th, 2010 at 2:49 am
Everything the author sees is not necessarily everything, but she knows that. Read it from the author’s point of view. Better not complain about the “everything” if you understand what the author means.
But may punto pa rin ito… bakit ang US mas-maunlad kasya Pinas? HIndi sa laki ng lupa lang. The fiscal crisis of the US is not an excuse to say the US can also be a failure… ang Pinas nasa financial crisis ever since Marcos Era and lalo na since 1997… never nag-recover. Ang US nakakarecover, masmataas pa rin standard of living nila, tayo wala (Wag mo ring bintangan ang US para sa problema ng Pilipinas, estupidong konklusyon yan.). This is because di hamak na mastamad ang mga Pilipino. That is a cultural commonality that is observable whether you’re here or abroad.
Tama ka, kung walang magpapabastos, walng bastos at mambabastos… eh yung magpapabastos ay tamad.
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Kat Reply:
June 4th, 2010 at 3:18 am
How would everyone know that “everything the author sees is not necessarily everything”? Maybe my complaint stemmed from the fact that I took her “EVERYTHING” literally. Thus, I said mamasyal ka at hindi puro USA ang maganda sa iyo.
(Wag mo ring bintangan ang US para sa problema ng Pilipinas, estupidong konklusyon yan.). I was not blaming the US for what’s ailing this country, at alam ko ang nais ipahatid ng nagsulat. and I am with her in what she wrote about except for that portion mentioned above.
ang magpapabastos ay tamad HEHEHE where’s the catch?
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ChinoF Reply:
June 4th, 2010 at 3:35 am
Oh the author’s here and I’m sure she’s been around. But don’t let the “ganda” of a few places hide the fact from you that our culture is generally defective.
Kung merong magpapabastos, is it because they are too lazy to complain, or to lazy to create a good solution against pambabastos?
HalleluyahHymen Reply:
June 4th, 2010 at 2:57 am
Kat
As to the form of writing… there is a sort of generalization on the “dirtiness” issue… but in context and substance… the message of the article is clear. Filipinos are rude… and oftentimes act as racists… The government agencies both local and national scope do not have the right policies in terms of solid waste management in most urban areas. In most cities every corner is a temporary dump site where households dump their plastic bags full of garbage.
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Kat Reply:
June 4th, 2010 at 3:28 am
@halleluyah
Copied, I got your point. That perennial problem will stay for as long as Filipinos remain undisiciplined. Rude talaga ang mga Pinoy pero from my experiences ours is not a unique “trait” tayo nga lang ang pinaka sa lahat ng pinaka. Hymen? HYMEN!!!!
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ben Reply:
June 4th, 2010 at 4:25 am
As I said in my comment somewhere above:
“I don’t think discipline is the solution. Discipline will only become natural for people if they themselves have learned to be courteous to one another. So for me, courtesy needs to be taught, and in the long run, discipline becomes a habit. Enforcing discipline will only result to rebellion IMO. Awareness of our surroundings and the people, i.e. courtesy, is what Filipinos lack.”
A lack of courtesy = rudeness.
@ChinoF
” But don’t let the “ganda” of a few places hide the fact from you that our culture is generally defective.”
Working for an NGO has exposed me to a lot of our “cultural defects”, that I can assure you. Several years of immersion to what you call marginalized sectors made me see that teaching people to change is easier said than done. More so if you tell them point blank what their weaknesses are they will either respond with hostile stare or excuses like, “wala na tayong magagawa riyan, ganito na talaga kami.” No matter how “kilometric” your patience may be, there will come a time when you just want to bang their heads in hard concrete so that they may wake up from deep slumber. That’s how difficult it is to change things which have been deeply imbedded in their psyche for many years. So, ano ang mainam na gawin?
1. Simulan ang pagbabago sa ating mga sarili. Hindi sapat na sabihing mayroon tayong kahinaan. Rather, we must do something about that weakness.
2. Tulungang ituwid ang mga kahinaan ng miyembro ng pamilya. Paano natin magagawang baguhin ang defektibong kultura kung mismong ang ating tahanan ay liko at depektibo.
3. Kumilos at makibahagi sa anumang programang magpo-promote ng tunay at tamang kultura.
Think of all the negative habits and for sure , we Filipinos have them. May nagpapabastos hindi dahil tamad silang magcomplai kundi dahil hindi sila tinuruang maging assertive. Marami sa atin, tinatapakan na, pero hindi umaaray not because we are lazy but because we are “nadyadyahi to be called maangal” Neither Fipipinos are too lazy to think of good solutions to the “pambabastos” Wala lang talaga tayoung pakialam kadalasan.
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bakit kaya galit na galit yun other nick ni ChinoF sa akin e gayun solusyon ibinigay ko at hindi yun puros angal.
kung naiingayan ka sa videoke, isuplong mo o kaya sabihan mo yun gumagamit diba. pero pinaka magandang solusyon at mura pa ay yun earplug. masama ba yan payo ko? hahahhahaha
MRT/LRT? e di wag ka sumakay. kung afford mo ang jeep at bus dun ka na lang diba. kung nagmamadali ka umalis ka ng mas maaga sa inyo. hindi ba tinuturo ng magulang nyo yan sa inyo? sino ngayon may disiplina sa atin? hahahhahahha
yan ay ang aking dalawang sentimo lamang mga kababayan.
tandaan na palaging umi-smile at tumawa… tulad nito HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA.
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HalleluyahHymen Reply:
June 4th, 2010 at 4:07 pm
bobo ka pa rin… tangnang solusyon yan… wag sumakay ng MRT at mag EARPLUG… BOBO!!!
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isa lang ang masasabi ko sa sumulat nito,us citizen k nb? if the answer is yes,pwedeng-pwedeng kang i-declare na persona non grata iha! if you hate filipinos and called them stupid,better hanap k ng bampira pasipsip mo ang dugong pinoy mo at voila puti na lahi mo . puti k na bampira nga lang!
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bokyo Reply:
June 4th, 2010 at 1:24 pm
ate, bago nyo muna husgahan yung nagsulat , tumingin muna kayo sa salamin. Tumingin din kayo sa paligid at sabihin nyo kung nasan nakalagay ang disiplina at respeto ng mga Pilipino.
Bawal nga umihi sa pader, may umiihi parin sa pader. Bawal magtapon ng basura, may nagtatapon din ng basura. Mapagbigay nga tayo sa mga banyaga, pero kapwa Pilipino kinakawawa.
better hanap k ng bampira pasipsip mo ang dugong pinoy mo at voila puti na lahi mo
Napatunayan mo lang na tama ang sinabi ni Iya. Filipinos are Racist
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Jay Reply:
June 4th, 2010 at 4:04 pm
@Ms B
Ah, so ibig sabihin wag natin respetuhin ang atin personal freedoms tulad ng freedom of speech? Basta tahimik nalang at chismis/sipsip habang naktalikud sila? Sige anu bang legitmate na kaso na pwede mo idaan ang nagsulat nito na person non grata?
Kung tinawagan namang stupid ang pinoy, may rational na rason naman eh. Dahil nga ang behavior nga nila ay classified under the word stupid as is defined in the dictionary! Factual lang po ate, walang personalan. Kung gusto mu gawin personalan, tulad ng pa bampira mo, ikaw nalang dahil sabi mo eh.
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HalleluyahHymen Reply:
June 4th, 2010 at 4:09 pm
Ay tanga ka iha… hindi mo naintindihan ang sinulat na didikitid para sa makitid mong utak… beter laks neks tayms… BOBA… ESTE AMOY LUPA!!!
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@Ms. B
Iyan ang problema sa mga Pilipino, pag napupuna, galit kaagad.
Pag nagalit ka, magbilang ka muna ng mula sa isa hanggang sampu, tapos hinga ka malalim para makapasok ang oxygen saiyong utak. Pag kalmado ka na, basahin mo ulit ang mga posts at comments, then balik ka dito.
P.S. Huwag na mga bampira – nasa imahinasyon or TV lang iyon.
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most of the antipinoy trolls here have mentalites of uneducated ignorant children.I am not pinoy,but I work with pinoys both in the Philippines and in the USA,and they all have their own indiviual personas.ChinoF,being racist towards Filipinos doesn’t make sense at all when your defending Chinese people from another racist remark,you sir,and I’m assuming most of you here are racist bigots who just can’t understand the simple concept that Filipinos are humans too.just like you and me.you guys are probably rude Filipinos yourselfs or just a non Filipino that is angry that his arguments aren’t hurting filipinos enough so he can expolit them in what ever manner he chooses…I know I’ve generalized everyone at antipinoy but the ones that are representing the website ATM fit the defintion of what you are trying to put on an entire race.I’m not your parent but if you have kids,I’m not sure you would want them to being critizied for something they did not do,like you are doing to Filipinos right now.and no,I am pinoy.I lied.no different from what you guys are doing now.and no,I don’t not think I am superior to any of you,unlike ChinoF whatever his name is.I have a headache and is using amobile device,i have better things to do
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bokyo Reply:
June 7th, 2010 at 11:26 pm
It’s just to show that you really haven’t have a grasp of the whole context of what this site is all about.
“Filipinos are human too”. Yeah right, that’s always the excuse of most Filipinos NOT TO LEARN FROM THEIR MISTAKES.
Check the site again and try to grasp the whole context of what is being racist and what most parents call “spanking”.
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Parallax Reply:
June 8th, 2010 at 3:22 am
adolf hitler was also human. it doesn’t make him any less of a scum.
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Jay Reply:
June 8th, 2010 at 12:33 am
Once again justifying my claim that pinoys like you don’t know how to play the race card and turning ChinoF’s argument into another passe racial argument that you fuel with your emotions AND NOT with your facts. Does his arguments incite hate? Does ChinoF CLEARLY wave about his racial superiority like the obvious oppressors of racism did?
Tell me this, how is racism/stereotype born? When you find the answer to that, you see the correlation these people are making is crystal clear. So stop acting like you can play the race card like you know it because oppressed races did and start using your brain for once. You are just as racist for trying to make it into a racial argument when IT IS NOT!
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HI Iya,
I thought I was the first to tackle with my post yesterday all the issues you mentioned in your article here. Turns out you were way ahead of me, particularly that thing about Filipinos as racists. Copied here my said post on ChinoF’s really great entry “Filipinos Are Not The Best In The World:”
I also deal on a daily basis all the exasperating Pinoy habits that I’ve never experienced in other countries.
1. I really resent it when Filipinos stare too much, whether at me or at a black tourist walking in the streets. Obviously, they know nothing about the 3-Second Rule, meaning if you stare at a person for 3 or more seconds, you’re being impolite to that person. Worse, they continue staring at you even after you see them. To me not only is it rude, it’s a provocation. Most of the time, Pinoys will keep on staring at a black guy passing by and I’ll catch them laughing and ridiculing him. Which leads us to another point:
2. ARE PINOYS MORE RACIST? While the rest of the world has moved on and has learned to embrace blacks and their beauty, the Philippines is still stuck with a politically incorrect, bigoted, Apartheid-era mentality. I’m not only talking about the staring and the ridiculing: there was this letter sent by a concerned Filipina mother to a major newspaper years ago. She wrote that she’s worried her daughter is going to work in the States because she doesn’t “want her to marry a black.”
And how about that sick old Tito, Vic and Joey movie where they have an actress painted in black complete with afro wig? In one scene, we see this “black” woman running around and hitting a white wall, smearing it with black paint. Of course, the comedy trio’s sick joke here is that “blacks have very black skin that they must be smearing their skin color on everything they get in contact with.”
3. When shopping and I’m browsing the shelves, I hate it when another Filipino shopper suddenly stands right in front of me blocking my view. Really bastos! In contrast, when I’m in a crowded public area with foreigners around, most of the time I’ll see them gesturing and smiling at me and graciously saying “please go ahead,” etc.
4. I really hate it when my neighbors cook “tuyo” and those other stinky dried fish. Not only is the stench offensive, but it seems to stick FOR HOURS to our curtains, upholstery, laundry and just about everything in our house. It’s not the maids who are cooking these, it’s the homeowners themselves. And they live in this upscale neighborhood.
Apparently even if a Pinoy is a trillionaire, his inherent lack of sophistication and decorum means he’ll keep on cooking tuyo or throw garbage out the window while driving his Mercedes or blow his nose in the streets. You can dress up a Pinoy in the latest and most expensive Christian Dior, but he’ll still behave like a proto-human.
Oops, my list could go on and I respect the need to keep things short.
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I must admit that I do some of these things but then again I’m not a shining example of a good human being
although I try to be. You can’t blame people for cooking “tuyo” but you have a point. At least those neighbors of
yours should at least do something to lessen the stench. People would typically say that this is a free country
but freedom also comes with responsibility. The responsibility to be mindful of other people’s wishes and
feelings. You can’t please everyone but you can surely try.
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I completely agree with the observations given by the author.
I use the LRT and the MRT to go to and from school and I’ve encountered a lot of rude Filipinos there. Not only do most Filipinos not know how to fall in line when entering the LRT/MRT, most of them don’t know how to give their seats to those who’d need them more (children, pregnant people, and elders). There have been lots of times when I, a female, gave up my seat for those who need them more despite the fact that there were lots of males seated around the train. Common courtesy is universal right? But apparently, most Filipinos don’t seem to know it. And I don’t know why it’s so difficult for people to line up properly. Don’t they know that things would be easier if they lined up as compared to pushing others just to get inside?
And people should be considerate of their neighbors regardless if they’re having a party. When we have parties at home, our parents always tells us to make sure to keep the noise down after 10pm because people would be sleeping already. It’s only right to be considerate because that’s what a neighbor is all about. The whole reason why I think it’s so traffic in the Philippines (especially in Manila) is because most drivers (of public or private transportations) think only of themselves. They think “I’m in a hurry so I’ll cut off everyone so that I can arrive on time” without thinking that others are probably in a hurry too. If we all just thought that everyone needs to getto their destinations ASAP, then it probably won’t be as traffic as it is now.
And as with being racist, it’s so obvious with how most Filipinos are so obsessed with having white skin. And these people look at those who have darker skin to be ugly while looking at those with fairer skin to be beautiful/handsome. Can’t darker skinned people be beautiful too? I’ve seen fair skinned Filipinos who aren’t really pretty but think they’re so pretty. Isn’t that a sign of being racist?
I’m really grateful an article like this has been written. I think that Filipinos need a wake up call. I mean, look at Singapore, Hong Kong, and Macau. These countries were faring worse than us before but now, their countries are developing faster than our country. Hong Kong and Macau has just recently been released by their colonizers and yet their citizens are quite disciplined. For example, we rode this train system in the new Hong Kong territories where no one checked if you paid for a ticket or not. You could get away with riding it without paying. But everyone who rode paid for tickets before riding the train. I think that if that was here in the Philippines, no one would actually pay for a ticket.
We need to help each other see the wrong that we are doing. I think that if all Filipinos learned to let go of their egos (that prevent the from accepting the harsh reality that our country and our countrymen have much to learn), start being considerate of our fellow countrymen, and act with discipline, our country would also be able to progress like other countries. We’d have a country that we can be really proud of.
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… daaang
… ay sus ginoo… there are ‘sang tambaks na articles written about flip rudeness, thoughtlessness, etchastera, etc… the most scathing articles, of course, are written by flips/flipflams/’merkan wannabes…
… that’s flip way of life… you cannot change it… and, flips will not change for s#it….
… i’ve been around… from australia to zimbabwe… i’ve seen, experienced, sufferred, etchastera, etc. them all…
… you’re lucky you’re not in the mideast and africa… female on one side… walking behind male… and you have to wear the burkhas… which is good if your part of the UGLYPAYAN tribe…
… some areas, if you’re in the wrong occult/race/tribe, they’ll kill you just because…
… hey y’all… flips/flipland is NOT THAT BAD… believe me…
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Ulong pare, you’re one cheeky brat. Just `cause there are still some other countries that’re in worse conditions than Philippines it is no good excuse to sugar-coat them with sweet words. That country has so much potential to rise yet both the people (who are stuck there, not just others in abroad) and the government are failing at it. What kind of person would respect a country like that? No wonder even our kind likes to diss it. `Merkan wannabes, so what? Blame the ones who live there that refuse to preserve ancient traditions. Shut up before you even talk about defending the likes of which the author spoke of.
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mel Reply:
June 27th, 2010 at 3:17 am
@Mahar Lika
Am not sure if you are a “first timer” here but ulong pare’s messages are only satirical. There is truth in his/her messages, quite provocative but the comments remind me of the clear and present picture of what is being discussed. And I like his/her witty way – makes me laugh sometimes.
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Hi,
I’m half Filipino and though I am ashamed to say this, I must agree with you. I also happen to be half Welsh and a third Korean, and every time I go to SM Clark (or anywhere else in the Philippines while I visit) I keep getting stared at. I’ve also got to add something to your list about racism there: If you happen to have a lighter complexion, when you go to buy something they WILL raise the prices just because you’re white or foreign. While I visited I had to have my Filipino-Korean (the Korean doesn’t show very much) mother leave me outside because she and my other relatives were suffering from over-paying. And, along with the Mexican people (though I’m not expanding on them), whenever you make the SMALLEST mistake they will MOCK you in FRONT OF YOUR FACE to other people. They even try to sugar-coat it by saying it in Tagalog because they think you don’t understand. You have no idea how many times I’ve almost BLOWN UP. I’m so fed up with it.
I’ve gotta hand it to you. You’ve actually pointed out the biggest flaws, lol. I’m amazed.
-Clara :
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I understand where the writer is coming from. It’s a total nightmare to live in our “subdivision”. Aside from chismosas in our street, we have to put up with the yabangan of our neighbors. We have one of the biggest houses in the street and a lot of our neighbors envy that. They compete with us by having ” karaoke parties” until the wee hours of morning, revv up their cars so loudly you’ll think you live in a race track. I have two siblings (nurses) who worked in the graveyard shift and when they come home, one of our neighbors consistently played karaoke or baduy songs loudly knowing full well my sisters were tired from work. His children kasi didn’t not finish high school, are into drugs and got married early. As if it’s our fault we didn’t turn out that way. And where have you seen people knocking on your door to ask for money, food and work just after seeing your house? I have nothing against giving back to society and our family does it fair share of charity. But we worked hard to save money to afford what we have now. You are not our responsibility. There are times when I walk down our street, our neighbors would stare at me like they want me to apologize for something my family worked hard for. You ugly dog, do you even have the right to stare at me at the first place? There are times I just want to buy an uzi and shoot the hell out of them.
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For me, the rudest thing a stranger can do is stare at me. Specially if the person staring at you is a fair skinned Filipina who isn’t really pretty but think they’re so pretty. And she has her boyfriend with her at the mall and her boyfriend is staring at you too. And finally you hear them talking not even whispering, Maganda ba sya? (Is she pretty?) or Sinong mas payat saming dalawa? ( Who’s thinner between the two of us?) I know. It seems stupid to even bring this up. But sometimes I just get tired of their narrow minded thiking.
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Filipinos are mostly rude. It comes from their family upbringings. Sometimes; ignorance; lack of education of the parents; social economic and educational status are some of the factors. Most are influenced by the behaviors of our leaders. You don’t have to look far. Just observe those in power. “Pasikat” will always be in their mentality. Because, most of us are poor. You have to asure yourself; that you are better than the next fellow in your status in life. So, you show off.
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Filipinos are insecure and totaly get off on bringing someone else down.
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… daaang
… don’t tell me about that crap >>> flips are rude thingy… been around the corner too many a times to know the difference between cultures/countries…
… moral compass starts at home…
… if your moral compass is out of whack, something went wrong in your upbringing…
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Many filipinos also don’t have any problems telling you that you’re fat to your face. So RUDE! I wonder if they teach manners in the Philippines. I went on vacation to the Philippines after 16 years and all I heard was , “You gained weight” or “You’re fat now”. It’s because I was 15 when you last saw me stupid! These people have some nerve.
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No Idea Reply:
September 23rd, 2010 at 10:33 am
I share your contempt about “weight comments” believe me! I reply however that they look old and malnutritioned and suggest that they have a Cancer check up test. Do the same, no one will make any comments about your weight gain
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Also very typical of a Filipino to just about forget and talk trash about the country they came from when they stayed in a far better place.
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I just wanna share a few stories of some subtle and not so subtle rudeness that I’ve experienced from Filipinos
One time, when I was younger, I was with my mom at the grocery store. I stayed put with the shopping cart off to the side, so as not to be in other peoples’ way while she went around and got stuff. Now I don’t quite look Filipino so not many people can tell just by looking at me that I am, which explains the following – behind me, I overheard two Filipino ladies talking to each other, complaining to each other that they wanted to get something off the shelf by where I was, and they were waiting, but this “damulag” wouldn’t move. I hadn’t noticed them since they were behind me but apparently, from their conversation they had been there for a while. So I turned around and said “Pwede po kayo mag’excuse me’ kung meron kayong kailangan sa shelf” and smiled at them. I’m not the most fluent speaker but their faces were shocked – they had been caught! My mom happened to call me at just that time so I went and left those two without another word.
They went and found me later on in the grocery store to apologize – “Sorry! Hindi namin alam Pilipino ka pala!” I just said it’s okay but thought to myself, “Did it matter if I’m Filipino or not? It’s quite rude to talk bad about someone -literally- behind their back, and a simple ‘excuse me’ would’ve sufficed instead of their grousing.
Now, this other thing just happened today – I was at the grocery store by myself, only buying two ready-to-bake pizzas so I went to the express line. I asked the black lady at the end if she was the last in line. She said she was so I promptly got behind her. I was waiting for a little bit, not quite paying attention to anything in particular when I realized there was suddenly a Filipina standing next to me with some items. There were other people behind me now too. I gave her the benefit of the doubt – “Maybe she’ll slip behind me,” I thought, but as the line moved forward, she was inching ever so slightly ahead but still beside me. When the black lady in front of me had put her items on the conveyor belt for the cashier, I noticed the Filipina motion to start to putting her things there too so I had to step in and say “Excuse me, I was behind this lady.” All I got was an “oh” – she didn’t say “sorry” or anything but just went back in line behind me. I can only assume she thought she’d be able to squeeze in front of me and I wouldn’t notice, or that I’d just be nice enough to let her, even though she didn’t even look at me or ask if she could get in front – she just tried to do it without bringing attention to it.
These are pretty mild compared to the above, but I find that even this subtle rudeness can be quite annoying.
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felix Reply:
August 21st, 2010 at 3:56 am
@boog,
even other raced talk bad behind you, so dont ever singled out filipinos with that kind of behavior! every races has it shares of bad eggs! Filipinos don’t monopolized RUDENESS, try to live to other countries.
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Well a lot of Pinoys working overseas do think that they are superior than their non-Filipino colleagues and employers, to think that they are consenting “slaves” in a foreign country.
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my first reaction to this “article” was: “yeah, most filipinos are rude if it’s not their job to be nice”
I am a half filipino who grew up in Europe and I don’t speak a whole lot of Tagalog but I understand a bit.
Right now I am staying in Manila for a longer vacation so I’ve been meeting a whole bunch of people. And I have to say that most of the things that is pointed out in the article is quite true. Although I can’t say this applies to ALL Filipinos.
Most people I’ve met here don’t fall in line properly, play loud music during weeknnights and are a bit rasist. I’m a lucky guy cuz I have mestizo looks (fair skin) so I don’t experience the negative parts of it. But I asked some folks why Filipinos dislike Indians (not native Americans)? And the answer was: “They smell, they fool you in busisness, they only want your money and they look at our girls/ladies as if they want to do things to them.”
I’ve confirmed this “feeling” from Filipinos towards Indians with my some of my realtives and I get basically the same answer to why they dislike Indians. Now here’s the funny part. I’ve experienced this from FILIPINOS!
. Some of them smell sweat (obviously the weather is a factor), they’ve tried to hussle me in business, they want money shortly after they get to know you (they txt about an emergancy and need money) and they stare at my younger sister as if they wanna do stuff to her.
I don’t know what to say. Are they totally blind??? When I say they I mean people who grew up in the Philippines. Cuz i certainly don’t think it’s in the blood – it’s the culture and society’s “fault”.
These things have happened a couple of times and not only to me but to my half filipino friends. For example a girl who suddenly broke her leg and needs money for the bill.
Yeah so Filipinos are a bit racist but so am I and everyone else I think. I would call it stereotyping. If I meet a chinese guy I think about all the chinese persons I’ve met and try to treat the new guy based on my previous experence.. same with the german guy or american guy. This went a bit out of context but my point is that I haven’t experienced this much “culture shock” in any other country i’ve visited.
And remember that I am not saying that ALL filipinos are like this but the majority (>50%) I’ve met are.
BTW, antipinoy is a great site! Keep it up so we can have a great country for real!