Sir Zane,
Correction please Sir Zane! You are barking at the wrong tree!
It's alright for Sir Henry Kissinger to speak about the Watergate wrongdoing, in public or on TV!
Being here in Germany the last 26 years, Lazir observed it NEVER hurt Germany to be up front, holding the moral high ground, stating the facts the way it was/is historically!
On the contrary, Germany is reaping praises worldwide, year in and year out, for not forgetting, being honest, even leading PUBLIC commemorative rites about their past!
Japan (like IHQ) is wrong, being criticized, for being SILENT about their war atrocities, even re-writing their history books!
Ergo, it is very wrong to STOP Lazir! Equally, it is inappropriate of some to criticize what he does! Even the simple suggestion that Lazir STOP is morally wrong, un-Rizalian!
Even worse were the congratulatory letters like Al Taguiang's, London; expulsion moves against Moreno/Sir Jun Zerrudo initiated by the Supreme Council/signed by Samuela; latest e-mail from Plueckebaum; denying/attempts to deny the Esguerra dishonesty or Quiambao's reported push for Paras, in lieu of Sir Lucien Spittael in 2006; promotion of racist Alcoba, Paris July 2007, etc.!
The Catholic church positively responded to the critics, even those coming from Chancellor Merkel, which others falsely pictured as a personal Papal attack from a protestant's daughter!
The Holy Father Pope Benedikt XVI asked Williamson to retract, the Pius Brotherhood replaced Williamson with another in the priesthood training he held prior to the scandal!
The right thing, Sir Zane, is to STOP the corrupt and those that deny corruption/dishonesty and their supporters!
No one may ask Lazir nor Chancellor Merkel, who merely got involved BECAUSE there are those who need to be REMINDED of their functions/mandated duties!
To toe your reasoning Sir Zane, is to give-in to Holocaust deniers/corruption and give them more strength, if not respite!
Chancellor Merkel stayed in Berlin and addressed her straight-forward words at the direction of the Vatican, which eventually CORRECTED THE WRONG! She didn't have to fly to Rome!
Vatican corrected their mistake QUICKLY, though losing many members who left the church! Admission saved their face! (And to think that the Pope acted in a divine way, forgiving a wrong-doer!)
On the other hand, IHQ dragged this SCANDAL for too long, clearly Esguerra's INCOMPETENCE! Is he held at the neck by Quiambao?
Lazir has nothing personal against Quiambao, Paras, Samuela, Alcoba nor Esguerra. It is hoped that Paras doesn't get the KGCR this month in Manila, replacing Mushake! Future trips of Esguerra using KOR funds for airfare/hotel, must be paid for from his own pockets, if the foreign assembly is like what transpired in Paris, 2007 and Toronto, 2008!
But Lazir is right, Quiambao is corrupt and Esguerra is dishonest!
At the very beginning, IHQ should have done the appropriate, correct, proper thing if they have credibility and integrity, like Pope Benedikt XVI!
For country and people!
:)
Lazir
Fear the Lord, no one/nothing else!
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Sirs,
All of these emails are hurting the name of OKOR.
Can we please stop. If anyone has a problem with the IHQ, go there in person and solve the matter. We are washing our dirty cloths in public, its not right, the group goes by the name of JPR, we are not a simple group, we have a respectful name and must maintain such.
Think about how OKOR is looking in the eyes of others when all these emails are flying all over the world. Stop please.
Sir Zane
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Sir Zane,
Does it also mean that the incompetence of Manila in solving the problems does not hurt the KOR? In the same manner, your advice to go Manila and air your complaints there - it might be a good idea for you to go to Manila, like you planned sometime ago, and advise them to resolve the problems (that hurt the KOR) immediately and thoroughly so that the emails "that hurt the KOR" may subside.
Have you ever ask yourself, "why is the emailing 'hurting KOR' never stopping?" There must be a reason. Cause and Effect? Do you think writers against Manila's behavior do their crusade to remove corruption, endemic both in the KOR and in Philippine society, with savor? Do you think they enjoy it? They do not - but they will not stop the crusade.
Remember - evil will succeed - when we begin to accept it. In 1939 Neville Chamberlain left Munich satisfied he had pacified Hitler. How about asking Manila (furnish us a copy) yourself? Ask it to answer the legitimate questions/accusations being thrown against it? For a change, I would recommend you to do it. It is not a time to be a softy and a pacifist. Even demand from it - answers, not wild claims and prosecution (of reform-minded knights). After you have succeeded, in getting answers from Manila - I will be the first to join you repair the battered KOR.
In all these exchanges I have come to classify addressees, as such:
1. Those who are openly voicing their minds about the ills in the KOR.
2. Those who use foul language (this genre has diminished now - retired, with their KGOR medals and sashes)while defending the corrupt.
3. The silent majority who do not ask that their names be removed from the listing - they do not fear the truth.
4. Those who are openly defending Manila bosses (not the KOR) a. for personal reasons; b. naivity???
5. A few who play prosecutors, judges and hangmen at the same time.
I know where I belong; readers - where do you belong?
SInned
"The arrogant one is he who wants to be worshipped, who misleads others, and who wants his will to prevail over reason and justice." - Dr Jose P. Rizal - Message to the women of Malolos, February 1889
"My ambition is not to win honors or hold positions, but to see what is just, exact and suitable, is done in political matters." - Dr Jose P. Rizal
********************************
Sir Steef,
Good observation/s!
In the Noli, Dr Jose Rizal's message is VERY CLEAR: take out the (social) CANCER!
Who is arrogant and wants to be worshipped, misleading others, and who wants his will to PREVAIL over reason? Isn't it Quiambao? Isn't it Esguerra, Samuela, Paras, Guansing, Nollas, Alcoba, and their "boys"?
Dr Rizal wants us to rid society of such persons/characters! RA 646, Sec 4, is very clear on MEMBERSHIP!
When the KOR takes the moral high ground, we can expect a take off, we will get QUALITY members, who are noble, righteous, upright! In other words, persons with good moral character, with INTEGRITY!
On the other hand, when we keep the corrupt, the dishonest, the incompetent, GOOD members will shy away, ASHAMED!
Dr Rizal's MESSAGE is written all over! Hence we have to read his novels, letters, works!
Lazir won't STOP, even if Moreno is expelled! ...for as long as corruption keeps going on in the KOR!
If Lazir is wrong, Mr Quiambao, a lawyer, can go sue Lazir in court!
The mere fact that Quiambao is silent, not going to court, is because Lazir is right and the evidence will overwhelm and cover Quiambao, Esguerra, Samuela, Paras, Guansing, Alcoba, Nollas, and their "supporters"?
As Sir Zane observed, "we are not a simple group, we have a respectful name and must maintain such." The MORE we have to rid the KOR of those bad eggs! That's the only way to MAINTAIN a good KOR! (Who wants a BAD KOR?)
For country and people!
:)
Lazir
Fear the Lord, no one/nothing else!
======================
"To those who cling to power through corruption and deceit and the silencing of dissent, know that you are on the wrong side of history;..." - Pres Barack Obama, 20 Jan 09
"No one will be corrupt if we don't let them." - Tony Meloto in his speech before Davao University graduates, 2007
"...Dare to cross boundaries in your minds and hearts! In your strength and courage! In the space inside and around you! Dare to be different! Dare what you never dared before! The highest thing that obliges you is your conscience. Act whatever good forces dictate! Then you are closer to Rizal's ideals than any policy or philosophy could ever be. What he can teach you, you will not understand without Kant's lessons..." - An excerpt of the speech Christoph S. Eberle delivered on Rizal Day in Hamburg, Dec. 2006.
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Sirs,
This is the first mail I did read completely. It says what is worth full. If the order shows only struggle and discussions there will never restart a chapter in The Netherlands.
We lost our members in the past, because our order doesn't show what's the massage. Make clear wherefore The OKOR exist!
I'm sure, this was not the right way!
Sir Steef Klarenbeek
(former The Hague Chapter)
Correction please Sir Zane! You are barking at the wrong tree!
It's alright for Sir Henry Kissinger to speak about the Watergate wrongdoing, in public or on TV!
Being here in Germany the last 26 years, Lazir observed it NEVER hurt Germany to be up front, holding the moral high ground, stating the facts the way it was/is historically!
On the contrary, Germany is reaping praises worldwide, year in and year out, for not forgetting, being honest, even leading PUBLIC commemorative rites about their past!
Japan (like IHQ) is wrong, being criticized, for being SILENT about their war atrocities, even re-writing their history books!
Ergo, it is very wrong to STOP Lazir! Equally, it is inappropriate of some to criticize what he does! Even the simple suggestion that Lazir STOP is morally wrong, un-Rizalian!
Even worse were the congratulatory letters like Al Taguiang's, London; expulsion moves against Moreno/Sir Jun Zerrudo initiated by the Supreme Council/signed by Samuela; latest e-mail from Plueckebaum; denying/attempts to deny the Esguerra dishonesty or Quiambao's reported push for Paras, in lieu of Sir Lucien Spittael in 2006; promotion of racist Alcoba, Paris July 2007, etc.!
The Catholic church positively responded to the critics, even those coming from Chancellor Merkel, which others falsely pictured as a personal Papal attack from a protestant's daughter!
The Holy Father Pope Benedikt XVI asked Williamson to retract, the Pius Brotherhood replaced Williamson with another in the priesthood training he held prior to the scandal!
The right thing, Sir Zane, is to STOP the corrupt and those that deny corruption/dishonesty and their supporters!
No one may ask Lazir nor Chancellor Merkel, who merely got involved BECAUSE there are those who need to be REMINDED of their functions/mandated duties!
To toe your reasoning Sir Zane, is to give-in to Holocaust deniers/corruption and give them more strength, if not respite!
Chancellor Merkel stayed in Berlin and addressed her straight-forward words at the direction of the Vatican, which eventually CORRECTED THE WRONG! She didn't have to fly to Rome!
Vatican corrected their mistake QUICKLY, though losing many members who left the church! Admission saved their face! (And to think that the Pope acted in a divine way, forgiving a wrong-doer!)
On the other hand, IHQ dragged this SCANDAL for too long, clearly Esguerra's INCOMPETENCE! Is he held at the neck by Quiambao?
Lazir has nothing personal against Quiambao, Paras, Samuela, Alcoba nor Esguerra. It is hoped that Paras doesn't get the KGCR this month in Manila, replacing Mushake! Future trips of Esguerra using KOR funds for airfare/hotel, must be paid for from his own pockets, if the foreign assembly is like what transpired in Paris, 2007 and Toronto, 2008!
But Lazir is right, Quiambao is corrupt and Esguerra is dishonest!
At the very beginning, IHQ should have done the appropriate, correct, proper thing if they have credibility and integrity, like Pope Benedikt XVI!
For country and people!
:)
Lazir
Fear the Lord, no one/nothing else!
= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
Sirs,
All of these emails are hurting the name of OKOR.
Can we please stop. If anyone has a problem with the IHQ, go there in person and solve the matter. We are washing our dirty cloths in public, its not right, the group goes by the name of JPR, we are not a simple group, we have a respectful name and must maintain such.
Think about how OKOR is looking in the eyes of others when all these emails are flying all over the world. Stop please.
Sir Zane
= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
Sir Zane,
Does it also mean that the incompetence of Manila in solving the problems does not hurt the KOR? In the same manner, your advice to go Manila and air your complaints there - it might be a good idea for you to go to Manila, like you planned sometime ago, and advise them to resolve the problems (that hurt the KOR) immediately and thoroughly so that the emails "that hurt the KOR" may subside.
Have you ever ask yourself, "why is the emailing 'hurting KOR' never stopping?" There must be a reason. Cause and Effect? Do you think writers against Manila's behavior do their crusade to remove corruption, endemic both in the KOR and in Philippine society, with savor? Do you think they enjoy it? They do not - but they will not stop the crusade.
Remember - evil will succeed - when we begin to accept it. In 1939 Neville Chamberlain left Munich satisfied he had pacified Hitler. How about asking Manila (furnish us a copy) yourself? Ask it to answer the legitimate questions/accusations being thrown against it? For a change, I would recommend you to do it. It is not a time to be a softy and a pacifist. Even demand from it - answers, not wild claims and prosecution (of reform-minded knights). After you have succeeded, in getting answers from Manila - I will be the first to join you repair the battered KOR.
In all these exchanges I have come to classify addressees, as such:
1. Those who are openly voicing their minds about the ills in the KOR.
2. Those who use foul language (this genre has diminished now - retired, with their KGOR medals and sashes)while defending the corrupt.
3. The silent majority who do not ask that their names be removed from the listing - they do not fear the truth.
4. Those who are openly defending Manila bosses (not the KOR) a. for personal reasons; b. naivity???
5. A few who play prosecutors, judges and hangmen at the same time.
I know where I belong; readers - where do you belong?
SInned
"The arrogant one is he who wants to be worshipped, who misleads others, and who wants his will to prevail over reason and justice." - Dr Jose P. Rizal - Message to the women of Malolos, February 1889
"My ambition is not to win honors or hold positions, but to see what is just, exact and suitable, is done in political matters." - Dr Jose P. Rizal
********************************
Sir Steef,
Good observation/s!
In the Noli, Dr Jose Rizal's message is VERY CLEAR: take out the (social) CANCER!
Who is arrogant and wants to be worshipped, misleading others, and who wants his will to PREVAIL over reason? Isn't it Quiambao? Isn't it Esguerra, Samuela, Paras, Guansing, Nollas, Alcoba, and their "boys"?
Dr Rizal wants us to rid society of such persons/characters! RA 646, Sec 4, is very clear on MEMBERSHIP!
When the KOR takes the moral high ground, we can expect a take off, we will get QUALITY members, who are noble, righteous, upright! In other words, persons with good moral character, with INTEGRITY!
On the other hand, when we keep the corrupt, the dishonest, the incompetent, GOOD members will shy away, ASHAMED!
Dr Rizal's MESSAGE is written all over! Hence we have to read his novels, letters, works!
Lazir won't STOP, even if Moreno is expelled! ...for as long as corruption keeps going on in the KOR!
If Lazir is wrong, Mr Quiambao, a lawyer, can go sue Lazir in court!
The mere fact that Quiambao is silent, not going to court, is because Lazir is right and the evidence will overwhelm and cover Quiambao, Esguerra, Samuela, Paras, Guansing, Alcoba, Nollas, and their "supporters"?
As Sir Zane observed, "we are not a simple group, we have a respectful name and must maintain such." The MORE we have to rid the KOR of those bad eggs! That's the only way to MAINTAIN a good KOR! (Who wants a BAD KOR?)
For country and people!
:)
Lazir
Fear the Lord, no one/nothing else!
======================
"To those who cling to power through corruption and deceit and the silencing of dissent, know that you are on the wrong side of history;..." - Pres Barack Obama, 20 Jan 09
"No one will be corrupt if we don't let them." - Tony Meloto in his speech before Davao University graduates, 2007
"...Dare to cross boundaries in your minds and hearts! In your strength and courage! In the space inside and around you! Dare to be different! Dare what you never dared before! The highest thing that obliges you is your conscience. Act whatever good forces dictate! Then you are closer to Rizal's ideals than any policy or philosophy could ever be. What he can teach you, you will not understand without Kant's lessons..." - An excerpt of the speech Christoph S. Eberle delivered on Rizal Day in Hamburg, Dec. 2006.
= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
Sirs,
This is the first mail I did read completely. It says what is worth full. If the order shows only struggle and discussions there will never restart a chapter in The Netherlands.
We lost our members in the past, because our order doesn't show what's the massage. Make clear wherefore The OKOR exist!
I'm sure, this was not the right way!
Sir Steef Klarenbeek
(former The Hague Chapter)
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